User talk:Mayu Miyuki/Archive 4


 * This is an archival of all discussions on Mayu Miyuki's user talk page througout the second half of the year of 2010. These conversations are considered to be closed - if you wish to leave a reply to any of these posts, please leave your comment on the original page.

Tales of Phantasia
It's a small thing, but I don't have the PSX version and I was wondering something. There's a mansion where Edward used to live in the past near Alvanista that, in my guide, is apparently Arcia/Arsia's future home in the PSX version. Is there anything in-game that mentions or confirms it? I know that she got moved to her own place in the GBA version and that that mansion is still under Morrison control there, but what about the PSX version? I'm checking SFC in the morning. Lanate (talk) 07:15, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I looked through Morrison's house in the future (the house with the drumsticks inside his bed), and there's no one who goes by that name in there. I don't even know who that char is. According to this thread on GFAQs, she doesn't exist in the PSX version. And even further, this thread shows that she was added to the GBA version only.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:11, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then I guess the guide's just developer info then, huh? 'Cause the guide explicitly calls it Arcia's place, so I was just curious to see if any mention of it got into the game. Lanate (talk) 18:37, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I dunno. It seems like the GBA sidequest that she is a part of was added to the FVE, as the only thing preserved from the GBA version that wasn't already in the PSX version, according to this thread on the Phantasian Productions forums. But she doesn't appear in the PSX version, as far as I know, and I don't know where to look for clues that she was meant to exist back then.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 19:57, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

ToI - Ange Serena: Artes
Talk:ToI - Ange Serena: Artes

Don't waste space on my already-bloated talk page, with duplicate text that was posted somewhere else already. I do archives only once a year.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:56, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Costume Images
No problem. I'll try to crop the image, and then re-upload the images. I took all the images from my Friend's blog, I'll try to find the link of his blog if I can. I did ask if I could use the Images, so I think it's alright. Thanks.

I actually could, it's just that I changed the program, and I'm still getting used to it. If you can, please check the new Image I uploaded on Estelle's page. Tell me if the size is okay. If so, I can keep doing them like that. Also, I found the blog's link. (http://talesofvesperiaimages.blogspot.com/2010/07/tales-of-vesperia-costumes-dlc-images.html) He also told me to say..."If you want, I can gladly provide Aselia.wikia with all the Images I can find about the Tales series. I'll gladly help".

No problem. I'll replace the images then. I'll try to re-upload them all now. Thanks.

Regarding your Innocence Artes
OK, I'm new to Wikia, and I have no clue how any of this works O_O

With the recent release of the Innocence Patch, I've decided to write up a walkthrough for the game. I plan on having the most complete walkthrough I can make, so that includes things like equipment, the bestiary, etc. However, there are some things that aren't necessarily easily found in the game, which, for me, are the Artes requirements. Since you already have pages for all the characters and what requirements there are to unlock each Arte, I was wondering if I could somehow incorporate that list into the walkthrough I'm writing. There are a few ways for me to do it. Of course, I'll be giving you (or the wiki) all the credit. I could just link them to your wiki inside the guide, or I could write up the information found here and put it directly in the guide. I will be making changes, mainly using the localized names present in the patch over the Japanese names. Either way, I will be giving you guys credit, I just want the information available.

If you wish to keep the list unedited, or you would rather keep the info mainly on this site, I totally understand.

Thanks!


 * Hello and welcome!


 * I'd be happy to allow you to use our information for your guide. But it might be better for you to write up the arte info and have all of it in your guide, since Absolute Zero uses... well, three different naming schemes that we do not use here.


 * Our romanizations are done in a different style (we prefer writing out diphthongal sounds while AZ uses diacritics), and we display only the officially translated arte names within our pages, while Throughhim has gone ahead and translated each of the artes both in his own way and in a way that localizations "might" use. Our wiki is based on official things only, so we will not display the names that AZ uses in its patch, and we prefer to keep things the way they are now. So it's better for you to follow AZ's translations and write them into your guide, so that people won't be confused about our lack of their names. The same goes for style skills, food, equips, everything.


 * Feel free to use any of the info that we have on this wiki. Since you plan to credit us within your guide, just a simple link to our wiki or our navigation template for the game is all we need. And I wish you good luck with your walkthrough. Tales of Innocence is a great game with many things that people wouldn't discover unless they consult a guide, like how the weapon customization system works, or the whole guild system in general, so I'm sure your efforts will be appreciated greatly by the community. Have fun!


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:24, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for being so generous with the information! I'll be sure to credit you guys, and you don't know how much this helps, not just with writing the guide, but with me playing the game also. I just hope I can make the walkthrough as best I can, which will be made easier with some of the info here.

Cameo Costumes
I was checking today some Character pages of Tales of Graces and Tales of Vesperia. My question is, both Rita and Patty have in the Trivia section, saying that they have costumes for Cheria and Sophie. Although Yuri Lowell, has that in "Other Appearences - Tales of Graces". Should we change Yuri's to the Trivia section, or should we change both Rita and Patty? I think it's better to change it to the Trivia, although I need opinions :x Thanks.


 * Cameo costume situations should be listed within a subsection of "Other Appearances". This isn't really trivia material, since the characters are being referenced directly in another game.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 19:52, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I already edited both Patty and Rita Character pages. Thanks.

Grade Shop.
Hi :D I've been thinking for some days about creating a new page on the wiki for the Grade Shop in Tales of Innocence. Though the game doesn't really have a Grade Shop, I think we could add the Stones that you buy in the guild there, so I wanted to ask for your opinion. Unless there is already a page for it and I don't know about it. Although the problem is pretty much that I don't have the smallest idea on how to create proper tables, but I've been recently checking this page and using the Sandbox to train xD. I would rather use the Sandobx than using a page and messing with it.

SummonerPascal 15:30, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * My initial thought was to create a listing for each of the guild shops to show all of their items with their base Grade costs (before guild quests are taken into account for price mods), but we don't even have similar pages for standard shops, and for any of the games at that. So we might as well put that idea off for a while longer. I think it would be a good idea to list those items that affect new games on a new page, similar to the Grade Shop info for other games.


 * You can use our existing Grade Shop page for Tales of Graces, as a base for coding so you don't have to create anything from scratch. The colors might be kind of... bleh, but I'm sure you've noticed that we use different color schemes for different types of list content, and we went with brown for system data. (If you have some better color choices, don't be afraid to try it out to see if it works, as long as it's not too similar to the other color choices that we already have in place.) The Japanese text for all of the new game options can be found at the bottom of this page, but if you don't know the language enough to make use of it, I can add them in myself whenever I have time.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:06, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I see. Thanks for the site, I'll use it later. I did, indeed, noticed that you use different colors for each "section" (Artes, items, etc...). I think that for now, I won't mess much with the colors, but I might edit the page later.
 * I saw in one forum a discussion if the kanji "石" meant either Jewel or Stone. My kanji isn't the best around here for sure, but I'm pretty much sure it means "stone". Though I would like your opinion, if you can, about it. Once more, thanks :D

SummonerPascal 17:19, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * By itself, it means "stone", yes. In Tales of Destiny, the term that is used for the rerise'd materials is 宝石, which translates directly to "jewel". Different games have different terms, of course, and Innocence uses 転生石, which I would translate to "reincarnation stone".


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:29, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. Just wanted to confirm. I pretty much ended the table itself, but now that you mentioned Reincarnation Stone, I'll change the name. Should I change the name to "X Reincarnation Stone" OR "Reincarnation Stone of X"? D: Thanks.
 * SummonerPascal 18:02, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I support the first option, "X Reincarnation Stone".


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 18:25, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I already changed the names, so I think the table is finished for now. Although I do have some kind of problem...Since adding the "Reincarnation" part takes a little more space, the Table got larger. The problem is that, there is a stone called "Inventory Increment 1/2/3", and writing Inventory Increment X Reincarnation Stone makes that section a lot larger than the other ones. Should we let it be, or change it to Inventory Increment X Stone?
 * SummonerPascal 18:39, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just post the new page, and I'll add in line breaks if it looks bad.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 18:43, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Vesperia Grade Shop
I have a favor to ask. I have created the ToV Grade Shop articel,so my question is: Is it possible to write down on the article something like created by Kratos1991? I have signed up today so i do not know if it is possible to write down something like that. Thanks

--Kratos1991 23:04, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * The history archive for that page shows that you have created the page. We cannot and will not allow anything more than that. Everything on the main namespace of this wiki is, and I quote, "considered to be released under the CC-BY-SA (see Licensing for details)." This means that all text is considered to be part of the public domain, or "open source", and it can be edited freely and used for any other purpose by contributors of this wiki. This also means that no copyrighted content may be displayed without explicit permission from its creator. All information from other sites must be credited accordingly, and any text that is "owned" by any one person cannot be displayed at all.


 * If you wish to be credited directly on the page, then I'm afraid that you'll have to take your work to another site, such as GameFAQs or elsewhere. If this is what you want, then I'll delete the page for you, and we can recreate it from scratch with our own information, based on other free-use license websites like the Japanese 2ch @wiki and PukiWiki sites, where we get most of our info from in the first place. Otherwise, you will have to deal with that grade shop info being released into public domain, since we will credit only the sources of the information, not the people who create the pages on this wiki.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:22, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. It was only a simple question :D

If the history archive shows that im the creator,than is everything fine ;D

Have a nice day

--Kratos1991 23:55, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Grade Shop?...
Heya. I'm new around here, but when I created my account (today xD), I saw the new edit to the "Grade shop" secction. Well, I must say I checked 'round the other pages, and I saw both the ToI Grade Shop and the ToV one. Basically, what the user did was undo your previous action in which you added the delete thing, and Copy -> Paste the same thing again. I hope you don't mind, but I added the delete thing again. Not only the page wasn't constructed as it should at all...the numeration of the options made it even worse. Also, I think there is no need to add Caps to "Tales of Vesperia". Sounds like they're wanting to point something out and didn't know how to do it, so they added Caps and it was "TALES OF VESPERIA". A Heading in there wouldn't hurt... Taking that away, there is the problem that there's already a Grade Shop for Tales of Vesperia, making that page unnecessary and incomplete. So what I basically did was delete the whole text and add the delete thing of Dhaos (pretty cool xD) Hope you don't mind.

AleriaG 14:58, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's no problem, I would have done the same thing myself.


 * I have not properly deleted that page yet because I want to recreate that "Grade Shop" page to be an overall description of the Grade Shop and its history. I want to add things like how the Grade Shop started with Tales of Destiny 2 and tied in with its Technical Smash system, and how it was added into later ports of older games (with the unforgiving Grade system of Destiny 2 itself made much less penalty-based in its PSP port), and its alternative implementations in Destiny PS2 (Advanced Game) and Innocence (Reincarnation Stones). But I've been busy with a number of other things, so the page will probably end up staying like that until someone else actually adds something that relates correctly. The "Grade" page also needs to be fixed in a similar way, since all of the grade bonuses should be listed on the game-specific pages, but again I'm just leaving the pages alone while I deal with other things that I want to have complete by the time the next Tales game is released, some two weeks from now.


 * Anyway, hello and welcome. Feel free to contribute to any of the pages on this wiki, as long as you know and understand the enough of the content to add to those pages.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 15:15, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

ToI - Strategy
Today, I though I should try and make the Strategy Page for Tales of Innocence Basically, I'll just add a temporary English Name, because I don't have the Japanese for the Strategy options, so I wanted to ask if you could, somehow, put the Japanese and translate it to proper English, since I'll just add a temporary name when I finish the Table. I'll add a short description first talking about the different options and where they're purchased before going to the table. In the Table, I think I'll just add the following sections : "Strategy Name" (or Option Name, one of those, unless you think they're not the right choice), "Pruchase Price (Grade)" (I'll add this, since as far as I know, all the Strategy Options are only available for purchase in the guilds) "Function" and Section. I think Section isn't exactly right, because the game has Strategies, but each Strategy belongs to a certain "section". Others, Attack, etc. So if you know a better one to put in there, I'll thank you in advance. I'm pretty much doing this, because there are still so many pages that simply don't exist, or are not properly edited or have 10 phrases, and with the new Announcement of the next Tales of game, I think I should help out a bit more in creating/editing those pages, since we'll probably have a lot of new Info to add, and we'll just add it to the huge job pile that has to be done.

Thanks

SummonerPascal 16:08, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. Just create the page, and I'll add in the necessary changes as I see them. I should point out that all of the strategy options should be split into actual sections based on their category in the menu, the same as how this page organizes recipes by category.


 * I'm not exactly worried about the next big game announcement, since there won't be a lot of info about it anyway until the next Tokyo Game Show in September. I'm trying to finish up the arte pages related to the original Narikiri Dungeon, in preparation for its remake (Narikiri Dungeon X) and Phantasia's latest re-re-re-port (Cross Edition). We could have had these arte pages up maybe a year ago, but so many games keep being released at a more-or-less constant rate that we're only just now catching up. Even then we're still missing title and equip lists for several games, and I can't keep doing everything on my own, so your help is greatly appreciated.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 16:24, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for helping me in the future, it'll make things way easier. I'll split them then, it will be way easier to find the Strategy, and the Table will be shortened, since we don't have to add the "Section". I'm afraid I can't really help with the Narikiri Dungeon's pages, and the latest Phantasia re-port either, since I never played them. But I'll try and help with the Innocence pages for now. Thanks.

Edit 1 : Just a quick question I forgot to ask, the color of the table. Should it be the Purple one or the Brown one, as we used for the Grade Shop? Thanks.


 * SummonerPascal 16:34, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's a system list, so you should use brown.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 16:45, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just a quick question...In the Strategy page should I mention those options called : Custom, Ranged, Melee, Defense, Save, etc? I think I shouldn't because they're more like "Main" tactics, and they don't really affect the Strategies. What I was thinking was adding the "Attack" "Defense" "Recovery" "Support" and "Others" to separate each table, and in the table type the Strategy available for those options. Still, I don't know if I should mention those 7. Also, what should I call the Strategies that are available for those "Attack, defense, recovery, etc..." options? Sub-Strategies or Tactics? >.<"
 * Thanks
 * Thanks.


 * You can omit the preset options if you want to, since it looks like the JP wiki did the same thing. However, I'd prefer to have them listed anyway for completion. I don't actually know if they override or are overridden by any of the custom strategy options, but they are there for those who want to allow chars to fight in a certain way without all of the the fine-tuned specifics. I believe Keroro RPG ended up following the same mechanics, now that I think of it.


 * And I'm not sure what you're trying to ask for the "Attack, defense, recovery, etc..." things. I call them strategies, since that is the most recent localized term for the menu option. If you're asking about what to use for the name of each header, just stick with "Attack", "Defense", and whatever else.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 19:44, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok. I'll list those 7 options then, the problem is what can I call them? The main text is, so far, like this.
 * "In Tales of Innocence there are several Strategies. Strategies are given to character's to change their actions in battle. At first, there is only 1 Tactic available for each Strategy. Further in the game, it's possible to purchase more in the Guilds through Grade.
 * The Strategies are : Attack, Defense, Recovery, Support and Other."
 * The problem is that I can't just paste those 7 names in there without explaining what they are, so that's why I need some kind of name for them. Should I call them "Base Strategy" or "Main Strategy"? Thanks.
 * SummonerPascal 19:54, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

The following is a list of all strategy options that are available in Tales of Innocence''. All options are sorted into five different categories based on their function, and they can be added into a personalized list of up to five options for each character. These actions will be taken by the AI-controlled characters in order of priority, so that options that are listed higher on their custom strategy lists will be executed before any other actions can be taken. Additional strategy options can be purchased through Guild Shops with Grade.''

''An additional group of seven preset strategy commands are available to each character, which affect their general behavior and attack patterns while they are controlled by the AI. These functions can be used instead of the more detailed strategy customization system, but any options that are added to each character's strategy list will override these preset commands. Both systems can be used in conjunction with each other to provide a large amount of versatility for character movement and actions during battle.''


 * There is no reason to list out what each category is in the opening sentences, since they are named as section headers already. The presets are "Preset Commands".


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 20:20, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. This may sound like a stupid question, and it is, but should I copy and paste that text, or make a new one taking some information from it? xD
 * SummonerPascal 22:31, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I wrote that so that it can be used in the article. ._.;;


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:32, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Omg I'm so stupid T_T...Sorry. The page will be done in a minute or two. Thanks.

Localization Survey
Hello I'd thought I'd post this here as I don't know how to start a blog but I want to help spread the word of a Survey by lanyn. Basically its to help localize the Tales series more. You can find the link from this video. I hope this isn't wasting your or anyone else's time but if you can spread the word about this and take the survey.

--TalesExceed 20:22, July 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * The biggest community where you can get more people to participate with this survey is at the official Tales forums. And yes, I know Eclisis/Lanyn already has a topic devoted to this survey. This wiki does not have a large population by any means, and anyone who knows anything about the fanbase has already heard of and taken the survey over a month ago, myself included.


 * With that said, don't advertise things on this wiki. We just deal with what is, not what we want or what we wish for. I also don't really understand why people are really so obsessed over the lack of localizations for this series. Falcom fans such as myself had it much worse for years, and only now are we getting Sora no Kiseki translated. Even worse, think of the thousands of visual novels that will never be localized, some of which I actively take a part in translating. Even if Tales is dead in America and beyond, there will always be ways to play the games, and there will always be people to translate them. I do my part in the process, this wiki is proof of that.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 20:59, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Fan Art Costume
Just answering here since it's better to answer here than HollowIchigo's channel, since you asked the question. I'm pretty sure it's a Fanart Costume. I saw it on Tales Forums, and I'm sure they said it was fanart. I'll try to look for the link, and I'll post it here when I find it. I've also never seen that costume anywhere else in the game. Also, I did yes, read your announcement, seems like I forgot. SummonerPascal 00:12, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I finally found it! Here's the link to the page : http://tales.namco.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=77239&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=525.
 * SummonerPascal 00:31, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! And the Tales series could benefit from having its own imageboards... if people didn't inherently hate such things. The occasional nightly Tales General thread in the armpits of the Internet can go only so far.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:39, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. An imageboard would sure be good, but oh well. Now I just hope that Wikia returns the Gallery's to default, because if we keep adding more images to the pages, the result won't be very good, and we'll have to go by another way. Just looking at Judith's page makes me want to delete the whole thing.
 * SummonerPascal 01:08, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * On a related note, I hope I was of help yesterday. If there's anything else I can try to help with, please don't hesitate to ask. :]
 * -RamenArtist 15:04, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

ToP:NDX Demo
Hey, Mayu? I was fully intending to help you with the demo like I did with the ToP:Cross Edition, but I'm actually going on an overseas trip in a few days and won't be able to get online that much. So, yeah, a heads up on why I won't be popping in for the next three weeks or so. On the plus side, it's my first time out of the country that I can remember, and it's a Japan tour, with sidetrips to China and Hong Kong to visit relatives to boot. d(^_^)b Lanate (talk) 20:28, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh that's okay, I had a vacation of my own at the start of summer-- kind of against my will at the time, but that's beside the point. Real life fun always comes before slaving away at a computer for hours without end, just to translate this and that for a greater community that sometimes takes the work for granted, if they even know it exists. (And I'm not just talking about Tales here.) And besides, it would be a great experience to see new cultures first-hand. I hope you enjoy yourself!


 * I don't suppose you'll have a chance to take part in Comiket 78 though, since that would hit the end of your overall trip. It could have been a good chance to grab some great pictures and souvenirs and send them my way  . =P


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 20:54, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just miss Comiket, yes, but anyway the Demo's here and I'm playing it. So, like is the CP Level on the artes pages supposed to be the Rank the costume gains that arte in?  And do you want the 通常技 too? Lanate (talk) 03:28, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Those are the normal attacks, right? Yes I do want those listed. I was waiting on someone from the official forums to post the JP text for me for each of those, along with artes and skills, but hey since you're here... =P


 * The "CP Level" column is a remnant of the original NariDan, where CP has to reach a certain point before the arte can be learned. I suppose it should be changed to Costume Rank for the context of this remake then?


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:11, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the costumes explicitly list which Rank they are learned at.


 * I'm having a little trouble coming up with the proper translations for some of the fields for these attacks. Obvious romanization issues aside (hey, hey, can you check the romanizations for the extensions?  There's no furigana for those, and the characters don't say the names), I don't know how Max Hits and the like fit in with the fact that the normal attacks are just combos.


 * Each one has a value called 連携回数; the number next to it is one less than the number of hits in the actual combo, I think. I'm not sure how to do this value.


 * All of them begin with 通・ which I don't know how to romanize.


 * I think that's it though. We'll see if I miss something when I update.


 * Oh, and Kruelle's Pikohan! is so cute. It throws itself in the air and acts like a Pikohan hammer.  Lanate (talk) 16:46, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

通 by itself romanizes correctly as "tsuu". From what I checked of the extensions earlier, they were correctly romanized. I don't know what to say about 連携回数, it's like "cooperative count" or "number of continuations". Might it have something to do with Kruelle's mirroring ability?

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:32, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oh wait. Checking the threads on GameFAQs, that parameter refers to "maximum chain count", showing how many of them can be linked together in a single combo chain. Quoting SieKensou:


 * Maximum Chain Counts
 * 1: Sister, Little Witch Girl, Narikiri (Mel)
 * 2: Narikiri (Dio), Klarth, Kuruuru
 * 3: Rodrinne, Swordsman, Axman, Hunter, Knight, Samurai, Martial Artist

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:36, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, do you have the names for the basic attacks of the Narikirishi costums too? You should add them to the top of both costume pages. I want to do the same for skills, but I don't have those yet.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 18:16, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can I ask which of the artes I've posted have discrepancies with GameFAQs so I can doublecheck? Also, all of the arte name/skill name info's available on the costume screen. Lanate (talk) 20:42, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Mel's final costume's first basic attack has 通・連撃 over there. That's actually the only difference on that page, sorry. I also need some verification on the kana for the "Evasion" skill, since I was given イベインジョン, which really can't be "Invasion" or anything else. Also "Compose Conquer", which I had as コンボースコンカー (Combos Conquer) until I changed it to match with what's on GameFAQs. I'm also missing kanji for Silence and Blind for their resistance skills.


 * I'm still missing the JP text for the skills for Lody/Klarth/Kruelle and the two Narikirishi costumes, along with effects for everything. And don't Kruelle and the others gain new artes by leveling up? I heard that Kruelle got something similar to Ikasu Hip in the demo, though it probably is Ikasu Hip itself. Someone else is already grinding for level 30 in hopes of finding a possible Special skill and access to mystic artes.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 20:55, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * It really is 通・連撃 and I fixed it. イベインジョン is supposed to be イベイジョン, コンボースコンカー is コンポーズコンカー and deals x1.5 damage to 合成生物 enemies.  I'll add the fixes.


 * I'm really bad at translation though, so I can't help with the more complicated skills, but I can do the simple ones. Lanate (talk) 21:13, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * EDIT: I didn't grind much, so I wouldn't know; I got Chain Partner through an event. But, Sylph was actually pretty tough if you got caught in their multi-hit attacks. I ran through like five Life Bottles, even with Mel as the Sister.  Lanate (talk) 21:25, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think we have enough of the blanks filled by now that it's fine. If you want, you can feed some screenshots to me to translate the remaining skill descriptions, though I think SieKensou from GFAQs will do his own trans and compile everything he has done so far into a guide. He already finished translations for the menus, strategies, and foods/recipes, though I still prefer to have the in-game text, which will come when the 2ch atwiki gets updated, whenever that is. I think we've reached a point where things can cool off, now that our arte and skill pages are passable and not completely filled with blanks. Thank you for your help as always, Lanate.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:54, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Just to put all of the recent name changes in one place for reference:
 * Mell (opening credits of NariDan X, after Ethos takes custody of the children)
 * Etos (same as above)
 * Couleur (official screensaver for NariDan X)
 * Rondoline E. Effenberg (opening credits of Phantasia XE, after Dhaos gets Indignation'd)

These are official spellings for their names, and per wiki policy, these are the names we will use on all pages, since there are no localized equivalents to supercede them. I don't particularly like Ethos and Londrine's name changes since they distort their referenced meanings. I'm especially disappointed with "Mell" given certain circumstances. But what else can we do. I know I'll continue to use the spellings that I prefer (all of the old ones in these cases) in casual writing, but articles need to follow official spellings.

As always, don't go out of your way to fix whatever you see on random articles unless you plan to touch up those pages anyway. I already fixed the important ones, along with the templates and categories.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:05, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

OMG WHAT
For the love of Moriya...

This wiki's policy is that these are fake until Namdai pulls out an announcement, or the magazine scans are shown to be in the actual Weekly Shounen Jump. Fake scans have been done before, see "Narikiri Dungeon 4". We had to wait for the same confirmation things last time this happened, with the Jump leak for Graces (instead of Gracia) and Vesperia PS3 on April Fools' in our timezones.

But holy hell, I actually believe this to be true. Namdai learned NOTHING from the fallout of Vesperia PS3... either that or they just successfully trolled the universe. Prepare for the TSF to implode from rage and absolute despair.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:46, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's this week Shounen Jump, I can pick it up tomorrow to check if I can find a copy. Lanate (talk) 14:53, July 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey Mayu. I picked up a copy of WSJ for the week of 7/26 (issue 34) and the games being hawked are One Piece: Gigant Battle for the DS, Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Storm 2 for PS3/X360, Dragon Ball: Tag VS for PSP, Dragon Ball Raging Blast 2 for PS3/X360, and Sengoku Basara 3 for PS3/Wii.  Unless it was in last week's WSJ, there's no Tales announcements. Lanate (talk) 00:14, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Apparently, I'm working out of an outdated news stand issue, so sorry for raising a false alarm. I leave before the new issue'll hit the stands, so sorry I won't be much help and have to wait for an official announcement.  There was ToP:NDX info in the V-Jump with some costumes and Hi Ougi info, though that's prolly old news.


 * P.S.phone editing eats battery life like hell. Lanate (talk) 11:19, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

We have an official news announcement now, and the three official sites have been opened to the public. The links are on the news post in the main page. It's surprising that I had to hold out for this long despite last week's leak, but at least everything is accurate.

To everyone who cares: go ahead and add whatever you think is relevant on the appropriate pages. Just try not to copy from Wikipedia. If you do, label that fact with the ugly tag.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:53, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

I changed the Unison page?
Uh, hi. Truthfully, I don't remember when I went there or what I changed, but thank you all the same. As a huge fan of Symphonia and DotNW, I notice and keep track of even the tiniest details. If I ever see something that needs to be added...

Well, rest assured I'll snag a username, THEN I'll make the change or addition.

Thank you for the message!

Don't have a username, yet.


 * That was an auto-welcome message bot that replies to your user talk page when you make an edit for the first time. I actually don't care to welcome users for the smallest edits, but I can't turn off the feature since it is part of Wikia's functions. Still, hello and welcome.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 15:33, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Appearances
Umm, I dont mean to be bothersome, but I was wondering what part of an arte page would be best to put a first appearance of an arte? Would it be better to put it in the introductory part of the arte page, or rather in the arte description? Sorry if its a nooby question, but I just want to be able to help without making an incorrect change :/


 * It's not important to say the first appearance of an arte in the descriptions at all. The "Appearances" section already does that. If you feel the need to say it, then it can go in the opening sentences at the top of the page.


 * And I appreciate the edits that you are trying to make, don't worry. I can see that you want to add to those pages, but repeated or obvious comments are not the way to do it. For instance, the whole kick thing on the Tiger Blade page is explained in the first paragraph of the "arte history and description" section, and it's hardly exclusive to Guy alone. It's still the same basic arte, and nothing more really needs to be said about the individual styles of the chars who use it - that info is better suited on their own character pages, in their "fighting style" sections. The comment about Yuri and Flynn having stylistically different Tiger Blade animations is due to the contrast between their shared attacks, though I also feel that info would be better suited for their own pages; the Vesperia paragraph only needs to mention the altered arte variations and such.


 * Anyway, all of the individual arte pages aren't really important at this point, and I'd like to have everyone focus on updating the character/location/term pages instead. The individual arte pages have a really low priority right now, and they don't need to be added to unless there are actual mistakes or grammatical errors that need to be fixed. But you can continue to work on them if you want to, if that's your choice.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 18:38, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ahhh, thanks for the advise :) If I have anymore questions, is it alright If I post them here?


 * While I don't really care if you want to add to existing individual arte pages, DO NOT CREATE NEW ONES. As I said already, all of the individual arte pages have a very low priority compared to everything else that needs to be done on this wiki, and I do not want to divert the attention of myself or others into fixing any new pages that might appear. I'd rather have nothing at all for those artes, than a lot of new pages that are written in a way that fixing it makes it seem like we created the pages from scratch instead of you. I hate that beyond all else, because it's a waste of time for everyone involved.


 * Again, you and everyone else should focus on character/location/term pages. Only make new pages if you know what you're doing. Otherwise, don't bother.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:29, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Always grateful..~
And yet I'm not sure if I ever actually thanked you for fixing up my messes. I'm proud of the fact that someone takes the time to do it for me. ... A lil upset that it has to be done... >>;; -coughs- Cause I have got to learn to nail it down in the first shot... But you get my point, surely.

You've always got my back, and I just wanted to show some appreciation... par say~ >A< Thank youuu~ <3

Sanatosu 00:22, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

TOP:NDX Work in Progress Item/Arte/Etc Translations
Where do you keep the WIP translations? They would be of great assistance to me, and I've noticed a lot of things missing from the forum post that I could add.

Crevox 19:20, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're the one who is working on the NariDan X menu patch right? I'm not sure what forum post you're talking about, but feel free to use whatever we have on this site.


 * As for any work in progress lists, they are saved on my own computer, and I don't like to upload them until they are in a state of relative completion. Each page gets posted as soon as I finish it anyway, based on the info that is available to me at the time. Much of the same info can be found already on the two Japanese wiki sites that are cited on every page, since those sites are where I gather my info from in the first place. And lately I've fallen back into that nasty habit of being excessively slow and lazy like a certain scythe-wielding youkai, so I haven't done much to update any of these lists in the past couple of weeks since I've pretty much burned myself out from rushing to get started on them so quickly. (I'm so burned out lately that I can't even take it easy around here.) Anything that these lists on our wiki might be missing were also missing on those sites two weeks ago, and I haven't had the heart to go through and look at what has been updated on those sites lately, and then translate them for our use. I'm sure I have a lot of catching up to do though.


 * If you're interested in equip translations, Lunar Eclipse posted the known weapon and armor lists on the official Tales Forums, within the NariDan X spoiler thread. Anything else beyond that (and whatever we do have on this wiki already) basically doesn't exist anywhere else in the English world at this time. We try our best, but we can only push forward so quickly when there are only three or so people who actually try to contribute in a worthwhile way. That's just how it is.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 20:17, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. Yeah I'm the patch guy. I just wanted to know in case there was anything that could help me. :) The forum I was talking about was indeed the official forum. I used some of Lunar Eclipse's translations in the patch for the names. I've gotten like 95% of equipment name and item names translated, so I was just wondering in case of anything that could help me get the rest done (and valuables/etc). There's also still skills (which shouldn't be too hard), but I was also just looking for romanized names of artes.


 * If you need any item translations or data, I have the entire item file sorted out with everything. Just ask and I'll give you the stats/description/effect/name/whatever else in JP or ENG of anything. I won't have much time to put it on the wiki cause I'm mucking through everything and translating, but I can at least do that. Thanks for your response and for your efforts!


 * Crevox 21:16, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh it's no problem. I want to get around to finishing all of the arte lists first, before going on to skills. Then either items or titles, and whatever else. The arte lists are the primary thing, and I'd like to get those done before starting anything else related to this game. I appreciate your offer to help, but I don't want to distract you from your existing project. I'm sure a lot of people are counting on your patch, and it does the community some good to have translation patches for games that many wouldn't be able to understand otherwise.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:06, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in on other conversation, but does this mean that you're working on the skills pages and that I shouldn't so that we don't end up with the, ah, multiple situations of edit-sniping we've had in the past? Or should I work on them instead and save you the trouble? Lanate (talk) 23:51, August 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I haven't started with any of the skill pages. I had the motivation to work on those skill lists that the atwiki had info for when I started with the artes, but then my interest fell drastically at some point. So no, go ahead with them if you want.


 * And I would like to think that I ended that habit of trying to do everything offline and all at once with full completion, resulting in a sudden dump of several pages in one hour. The updates and fixes to the Vesperia pages to accomodate the new PS3 artes and other missing info took so long that I completely forgot about finishing them up after some point, or even uploading what I had done anyway, all because of those perfectionist habits which simply degenerated into procrastination. I'm trying to make sure that sort of situation won't happen again (at least not in the same way - this time all of the known arte info as of 11 or 12 days ago has been uploaded already), along with the potential for edit overlaps. I really haven't been doing anything at all recently around here, aside from the usual rants.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:12, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Mayu, this is the case only for Couleur, but its Skill pages between the demo and the actual game are unchanged. Should I just create the new page anyway with the appropriate sources, or what? Lanate (talk) 03:38, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just create a new page, even if it's all the same info. It keeps the page titles and template/category listings accurate.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:59, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

ToI - Characters'status images.
Hello,I'm a newbie here.I wanted to add status images to Tales of Innocence.But when Itried to upload some,3 of 4 weren't found.(Error 404).Do you know the reason?Thanks beforehand.


 * It's a browser caching error. Just wait for a few minutes, or clear your browser's cache if you don't want to wait. The images are there and I see them, so it's a problem on your end.


 * Also, who is Barubary? Can you link me to that person's website? More importantly, do you have direct permission from that person to upload your images here? We do not accept images that have been ripped by other people, as they fall under a "copyrighted" status that goes against Wikia's licensing terms, and I'll have to delete them unless these have been released into the public domain. Besides, I'd prefer higher quality images, not pixelated rips from a DS cartridge, and I'm certain they exist.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:52, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

I took those from here: As this site's rules say the permission isn't necessary.Sorry if I have made a mistake somewhere.


 * Oh okay. Looking at the uploader's comments, no credits are necessary as long as the rips are not claimed to be one's own work, but I always prefer to have all images sourced on this wiki anyway to avoid the potential for copyright concerns. It's still copyrighted by the owner according to the site's disclaimer in the footer of each page, but it's under free use terms, meaning there are no problems then. Thank you for your quick answer.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:25, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Editting Majin Rengokusatsu, Mieu!
I've been trying to edit Majin Rengokusatsu for some time now! I even found proof on youtube and posted the reference, Mieu! Mieu wonders why you keep taking out some of the stuff Mieu added in! Mieu Cheagle 03:52, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I changed nothing except the "Iiki ni naruna!" part, which should not be added to the quote for the attack. It is an activation quote that is attached to all Blast Calibers used by Leon, so that particular vocal segment cannot and should not be associated with the main quote itself.


 * While your source did not add anything important, I did not remove it. I mean, what is it trying to prove? The activation quote will not be added no matter what, and I will delete any activation quote I see on any page. I actually fixed the format of the cited link and tagged it into the relevant part of the text, instead of leaving it as a footer note. Your comment about the clarity of the quote itself is unneeded and unwarranted, and sources should not have comments attached to them.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 04:01, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

So then where can the activation quote be? It has to be somewhere, doesn't it? I could even put the activation quote on all blast calibers, Mieu! The Aselia site is about information, right? The activation quote is an information, Mieu! Mieu Cheagle 04:08, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * One future project that I have in mind is a compilation of voice transcriptions as they would appear in the sound test modes of certain games, like how it is with Destiny PS2 in this case. But that is not something that I want to have anyone work on anytime soon (at least not for a couple of years, judging by how "quickly" things tend to progress around here), because there are so many other major things to deal with first. We have priorities that must come before everything else, and if you are really interested in contributing here, I highly suggest that you work on fleshing out the existing character/location/term articles that we have, to fill in any gaps and fix any grammar/syntax/diction errors that you might find.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 04:23, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Tales NeoWiki
This is Karis. I don't really know what form of communication you want to use, but I can do anything except MSN. Yahoo IM, Email or Neoseeker is good. If you want it to be public, here. --ShadowKaris 16:43, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't use any instant chat system other than IRC, and it's probably easier to use more conventional contact means. I sent a reply to you on Neoseeker, and we can continue to talk there if it's easier for you.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:28, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

That's fine with me. Thanks. --ShadowKaris 17:39, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Small Question
I have a question about this kanji so that I can fill out some more options in the Aliases pages for Tales of Graces. 初期装備 Do you know if this means something like Default? I checked the other character's pages and many of the 1st Aliases say Default. Thanks. SummonerPascal 20:48, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's "default". Technically it means it's already equipped.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:14, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Protect
Might I suggest a temporary protection to be placed on your user page? Lanate (talk) 21:44, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, you can't protect everything. Lanate (talk) 21:46, September 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't have any protect privileges. I've already emailed Imaginationac to repeat one certain suggestion I've made in the past, but there's nothing I can do after that.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:50, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Vandals
Hi, can you please block Smurf92134 and Stefan Hofmeister. Thanks! -- CodΣxpert (  talk  ) 15:00, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Unregistered users can now no longer edit.
Hopefully, the vandalism will be as active as it was.--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 20:08, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Constant trolls
Is there really nothing we can do about the constant trolls that have been trolling this innocent wiki? I'm not trying to blame anything nor anyone, but there are just so many new edits a day that those that usually remade those pages can't even keep up anymore. So much, there is already an 1000 troll post count. If there's anything I can help with, let me know. SummonerPascal 10:37, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's not much I can do while I'm asleep. If I'm not around, the best thing that you can do is, the very instant you see spam starting up, report it to the Wikia VSTF team at w:c:vstf:Report:Spam. The same goes for everyone else who is reading this. I've been trying to do some other things on my end to mitigate this disaster, but there's only so much I can do since I don't have the powers that Wikia staff have access to.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:35, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I notice this guy likes to do his vandalism around midnight Well midnight for me. . So I'll do what you said and report to wikia as soon as it starts, since I'm up at that time doing homework. Since the troll has an I.P changer, do we just wait till he gets bored? Also I read on CodExpert's page that the person has a vendetta against you Mayu, is it possible that the troll is one of the old users you yelled at? --Jun'ichi Asakura (talk) 21:21, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've been in contact with the higher-ups, trying to bring about various changes. With any luck, something will work. I'm not going to say anything more specific than that, even if we do come to a permanent solution.


 * As for this so called "vendetta", I could care less if I did anything that emotionally scarred this person to create some sort of debilitative mental condition. It seems more likely that he's just doing whatever he can to disrupt the wiki itself, and I'm the one who tends to be around at just the right time to undo his changes, perhaps the only one considering how many hours the spam went on throughout the entire night with almost no attempt from others to stop it. You know what I always say about being the janitor of this place. And yes I noticed that you tried, Zolo. I'm sure you recall when another (potentially the same?) spammer would ransack your own user and talk pages almost constantly, surely thinking you were the one in charge, and I guess the focus has shifted to me now. But the reasons behind this vandalism are not relevant. The spammer has made no attempt to reach out to any of us to at least try to talk in civilized terms, so we shouldn't even give him the privilege of recognition.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:54, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

FYI: Venus & Braves Remake
Flying Get news post, official Namco Tales forum thread

No actual confirmations yet, but it looks like there will be a PSP remake of the SRPG Venus & Braves, and it will replace some of its original cameos with new ones (typcial Namco etc). Colette, Yuri, and Leon seem to be our series-relevant nominees at this point, but they likely won't be playable in the game. Since I'm a regular lurker on the TSF anyway, I'll be watching that thread for actual confirmations to appear, and I'll post about them here if I remember.

Also, we definitely should add something on our pages about the delicious Estelle and Anise costumes/accessories that have appeared as DLC for iM@S SP several months ago.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:16, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry!
Th stuff I copied and pasted where from a talk page from this very wiki. I'm new at editing and I did not finished editing the Mimi Baker page. I'm really sorry, please don't be irritated -_-. Laharl95

Leaving Wikia?
Hello, I saw that Master Bigode recently contacted us about a database dump since some of the community has decided to leave Wikia. The only conversation though that I see is the one you are having here. Is there a larger conversation I can leave a message? I would love for you to stay on Wikia, and want to see if I can answer any questions. Also, do you plan to continue to have admin rights here or plan to give them to someone else? The wiki will remain open on Wikia. If you could please change the welcome message and community corner to reflect that some users may be leaving, but not all, and a link to where users can talk more, I think that will result in a more diverse conversation. Thanks, --Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 22:04, November 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I do not know who this Master Bigode is. I have been in contact with and replied to Mr. Tim "daNASCAT" Quievryn from Wikia Community Support throughout this past week or so. If they are indeed the same person, then I apologize to both him and you for the confusion.


 * Our center for discussion on Wikia's recent changes and our plan to move can be found on this forum thread. The latter half or third of the thread in question relates to the decision to move itself, though the entire topic might make for interesting reading material. I do not use personal talk pages or the redundant blog system for topics that will impact the entire site or community; that is what the forum system is for, after all. Unfortunately, we do not have a large community as it is since the very beginning, and everyone who has responded on that thread is indeed our primary user base who isn't neutrally inclined (ie. doesn't care), and not just "some users" speaking on behalf of the whole. So it isn't a stretch to say that we are in unanimous agreement about moving by this point, with myself being the only cautious dissenter who wants to explore all options before committing to a decision.


 * In any case, the one last thing that I wanted assistance from Wikia with was the compilation of all images so they can be exported to our new site. I was informed by Mr. Quievryn that this image dump option is no longer offered by Wikia, so I am prepared to organize an effort to transfer each of our images manually. If there is an easier way to make this process go by without much more added processing or delays, I would like to know about it.


 * As for my administrative privileges, I would like to maintain them during the entire process of moving our images to the new host, and I am willing to relinquish them after that point. Ownership of this Wikia fork will continue with the existing owner Imaginationac. I have already contacted him about moving, to which he replied to concede to our decision as a community. But he will not continue with us at the new site, meaning he will continue on as the owner of this fork and the site itself will not need to be put up for adoption.


 * I will take your advice about changing the welcome message to note that we plan to move, as that is one method of spreading the news that I did not think of. And thank you for taking the time to contact me here.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:58, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

You take this a bit to seriously... This isn't a business you know, its a community wiki to help people learn about the Tales series, not to rage at people because they make mistakes.


 * I'm not sure who you're talking to, or even if you're following the subject of discussion of this particular section, but if you want to comment for or against this move from Wikia, please leave that comment on the thread I already linked to here. If you're talking about my general mannerisms and irritation when it comes to specific edits that add errors that will stay there unless I'm around to fix them because no one else ever bothers to do it for me, make a new section on this talk page to complain so there is no confusion about whatever you're talking about, and move both your comment and my reply to that section. And whatever the case is, aren't you the one who emailed me before about a mistaken ban, which was actually a site-wide block of users below sysop level due to the massive vandalism problem we had at the time? Not only did I already explain to you that this is how I act normally, but maybe you would have noticed that problems like that vandalism and this current set of Wikia "updates" does not leave a lot of room for sympathy for other things on this site, as I explained in unmistakable detail on the thread on the official Namco forums.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:24, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hello, I understand that you and some of the community here have decided to leave Wikia, but that does not mean that all users are, so it is not fair to those who remain to automatically direct visitors away. Can you please change the welcome message to reflect this? If the community here had decided to stay, then the admins would not have allowed for a competitive wiki to post a link in the welcome message.

Do you plan to stay on Wikia after the move? We would love for you to stay (and the whole wiki to as well, but if not, you may want to elect some of the remaining users to become the future admins. Thanks, --Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 00:27, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome message
Hello, As I have mentioned before, you can not use the welcome message to discourage users from joining and participating here. It is ok to have a discussion in the community forum, but it is not fair to the community who will remain here to push away all new users. If you were among the community staying, that is something I am sure you would not be comfortable with, so I am going to revert your change. Please let me know if there is someway I can further help you here. Best, --Sarah (Help Forum) (blog) 00:21, December 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * The welcome message does not discourage anything. It encourages reading that thread to understand the current situation of the wiki and its community, and it encourages the addition of input from those who may have something to say on the topic. Perhaps you should not prevent this sort of promotion of discussion by making edits that run counter to the interests of the greater community, that is to say, knowledge of a situation that directly impacts the status of this wiki.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:27, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Graces F and the Move
Sup. Any ETA on the new server? I just got my copy of Graces F a few days ago, and started up on it, and wanted to contribute some more, but seeing as you're moving soon, I was considering waiting until then to do anything since I'm lazy. In any case, what would be the best way of entering the new data for Graces F? I snooped around the Vesperia pages and saw they kept things as they were from the 360 Version and noted what was PS3 exclusive; however, taking a quick look at the Japanese Wikis, a few new Aliases were added, which would mix up the Wii version's ordering, since they were not all added at the end =[ Otherwise, I would have simply put annotations for what difference the PS3 version had. I'm a bit leery of creating a whole new page just for a handful of PS3 Aliases, since a majority of the Aliases remain the same I believe, but this ordering thing is a bit troublesome. I thought about one of those sorting buttons to list numerically for Wii, and a separate column for PS3 numbers would work, but then we have all the Aliases divided up into pseudo-types for better organisation and editing (takes ages to open the entire page to edit a single line which is the main reason I broke them down in the first place).

In the case of Artes and anything else that's changed, just annotating PS3 differences is simply enough I believe, since nothing substantial has changed, as far as I can tell. Going through the game so far, I'm so happy because they lowered the requirements for all the Pride and Soul titles <3 Now I don't have to use Cheria's CC4 Artes styles 1000 times each <3

JoeTang 07:52, December 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * For the title list numberings, I would prefer to have two columns to show the numbers used in the Wii version and the PS3 version. I kind of wanted to have the same thing with the numbered items and such in Vesperia too. I've also been transitioning from having separate sections for PS3-exclusive whatevers to just sorting everything as they appear in the game with a gray background for the entire row of data, and I will extend this to the arte pages eventually. The section header numbers make this annoying, but we can probably denote the number ranges for both versions in the headers. We should go into more detail about this later, since I don't know how I want to display that sort of thing yet.


 * The only cases where there should be separate pages for each version of a game should be when the statistical data is changed, such as mechanics of a game that are different from the original or level requirements that are changed between the versions. Other than the cases of Phantasia and Destiny, which much have separate page sets out of necessity, this really only applies to Flynn, whose entire battle capabilities were completely redone in the PS3 version. Richard's abilities were only added to with his new artes, just more new artes than everyone else gets, so he should maintain the one page he already has. Likewise, everyone's arte and title pages should stay as one page each.


 * As for the move, things were delayed drastically since I was told that the server admin Kaz was really sick with the flu at least since the beginning of the month, and Abby and I don't have access to the root XML files that we need to change to accept a large database dump import. I really wanted to have completed the move before Thanksgiving week in the US, but with the rate things are going, I wouldn't count on us moving before the end of the year. I know I'm not the only one who is disappointed in these delays, but what else can we do. So you know what, you can go ahead and upload whatever new things you want here, since we really won't be moving anytime soon.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:56, December 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright cool, I'll try bumping around the Alias pages a bit when I have a bit more useful information to add to them, and I'll add to the Artes pages soon.


 * JoeTang 22:26, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the bother, but is there a scheme for stuff that are removed in ports? Like, weapons in XBOX Vesperia that are removed in the PS3 version?  Or should I just leave a small note like I do at the moment? Lanate (talk) 00:56, December 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * That actually happened? Ugh. I think we should use a different colored background for the rows where things existed in the original and were removed, though the note thing is a fine alternative as it is.


 * Looking quickly at the sword weapons page, if the page were to be reordered as they appear in-game, then the four Basilard weapons will be next to each other. Since there should be number columns on the side based on the Collector's Book, and the atwiki shows what those numbers are on the respective version pages, it can be made clear that the +1 version exists in the 360 version and the other two replace it in the PS3 version just by looking at the number columns themselves. Or the number columns could be merged into a single one, which saves some horizontal space but doesn't make it as clear as it could be. Separate columns makes sorting much more sensible on pages that will allow sortable functions though.


 * We could also redefine using the #cccccc color as a difference in versions rather than being used for PS3 exclusive material only, instead of using two different colors, and then we can have the note added somewhere (the number columns? all three item names?) to provide a clear explanation of the discrepancy. I would like to use different colors in addition to a generic message at the top of the page, but what other color would be best used in this context? I chose gray as a neutral color so our rainbow-themed tables don't bleed their own colors into the content rows, and I am not willing to use black at all because of the inconvenient text color flip. And that leaves me with sticking with gray for differences in general.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:48, December 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I can't particularly see anything in Graces that has been explicitly removed in the PS3 version except Majinken's Altered Arte, but I haven't looked at things in-depth. There were probably some skills on some aliases that were moved or changed around to make room for the new artes, but that shouldn't warrant anything special, unless you want to split some of the more significantly changed alias skills into two. Taking a closer look at the aliases, there's nothing significant we have to change about the layout though; I was under the false assumption that there were a number of aliases added in weird orders, but everything fits really well with the way we've divided it already I believe. I'll confirm it when I go through and add the new aliases and changes.


 * One of the things that did have some ordering change were sub-events. They're listed somewhere in-game in, but I don't recall where, and we have no reference to them in this wiki except on the alias acquisition columns, but some new sub-events were added, and it changes the ordering comparing Wii to PS3, in a less predictable way than actual Alias ordering. Most of the atwiki is a direct Wii copy-paste, and some of the sub-event numbers are still listed with the Wii numbers than the PS3 numbers.


 * If it's a whole item, alias, title, arte, skill etc. I think using the colour difference is better, but if it's small text-ish things like these sub-event numbers when referenced by Aliases, or minor skill effects, just using reference notes or brackets/slashes i.e. (#43 Wii/#45 PS3) should suffice in my opinion.


 * JoeTang 02:07, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with JoeTang on what he brought up.


 * Also, due to the lack of sortability of these pages because of rowspan/colspan, I remember flipflopping between collector's book order and ascending attack. For pages without those two, we've gone collector's book, but for pages with, we've gone ascending attack.  The ToP SFC - Weapons (Swords) and the ToP GBA - Weapons (Swords) are probably the best examples of this split.  If I were to add collector's book numbers, would that change how we do the tables as well?  I can't make it sortable (unless I play around with footnotes, and that's a trend I don't want to start), but should I still add them?


 * As for colors, how about a lighter gray and a darker gray? We can use lightly tinted gray "#dddddd" for removed stuff, and a darker gray "#cccccc" for the added stuff. Lanate (talk) 05:05, December 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * For the games with items that are numbered within the Collector's Book, those lists should just follow that order, regardless of rowspan/colspan. This should apply only to Phantasia PSX+, Innocence, Vesperia, and Graces, if I didn't miss anything. If items aren't numbered, then we can continue with increasing attack power sorting, since Symphonia's unnumbered alphabetical sorting really isn't that intuitive unless the reader already knows what item name to look for, and Legendia's sort order is all over the place. The unavailability of sortable functions on a page really shouldn't matter.


 * The alternate gray shade might work, but I want to see it in action first. It needs to be a somewhat obvious palette difference.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 15:15, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Based on your comment on the Vesperia Axes page, I'm going to assume that it's a good enough format. Is there anything else I need to be aware of before I do and fix the rest of the Vesperia pages? Lanate (talk) 20:05, December 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * I suppose not, other than the small things like "Acquisition Method".


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 20:08, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Tales of Xillia
A lot of it wasn't just speculation. If you spent a couple minutes to look up information about the game, you'd see all of my information made sense. Did you watch the trailer? It is a confirmed game. You act like I'm making things up.

--The preceeding unsigned comment was provided by User:Uriel Ledon (talk), 15:46, 2010 December 19


 * And now my reply. I know the game is real, though I could care less about it since I absoultely loathe Namdai's policy of spamming us with games. But that's an extremely personal thing anyway. It's the structure of the page that makes it unsuitable for any encyclopedic setting. Mentioning "Tales of Unitia" is absurd, because that was a deliberate troll attempt from the Japanese BBS known as 2ch. And people actually believed it! Other things related to fan-invented theories and other unconfirmed material are just as absurd. We deal only in the facts, which means the page for Xillia should relate specifically to what is known about the game and its development cycle. Anything that isn't known is speculation, plain and simple.


 * The page should be worded as if it is an encyclopedia article. See Wikipedia's existing page for an example (though I never looked at it myself). The first sentence should state the game for what it is in no imprecise terms, as the latest mothership title in the Tales (NOT "Tales of") series. The name itself should be bolded, with the correct katakana rendering listed within the template. Other important info that belongs in the first paragraph includes its status as the 15th anniversary game, and the singer who was revealed to be performing the OP (whose name escapes my mind). Follow the format of existing pages for any of the other games in the series.


 * I guess it would be best to make the whole thing myself (again), but where's the fun in that (for me)?


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:08, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

I apologize for the dummy data edit... and one more question.
I apologize for putting the dummy data title for Estelle with the Blue Dress. I promise won't happen again.

Which is why I have this question.

Within the Xbox360 disc, there's voicelips in both English and Japanese for Tenshou Kouyokuken (Formerly, Ho'ou Kouyokuken as far as my hearing could tell) and Ultimate Elements. There's also an English incantation for Rita's Indignation. Since these are Hi-Ougi's that are in the PS3 version, is it or is it not okay for me to edit in these info on the Artes pages?


 * Those things are also unused data. The only instance of those attacks being in a legitimate final game publication is in the PS3 version, which remains exclusive to Japan. Only the Japanese text/romanization and literal translations should be provided, since as far as the official game is concerned, there is no localization.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 15:01, December 27, 2010 (UTC)