User talk:Mayu Miyuki


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Edits
Thank you for adjusting my edits and letting me know why or why not they were necessary. A lot of times I will edit a page merely for grammar/punctuation/wording and nothing else (like with some of the pages you adjusted - I changed no information). Thanks again for your hard work. Moviebaby 18:37, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Template, please?
I thought I'd bring it upon myself to edit the Tales of Legendia Recipe page as well, but I don't know anything about making templates or bar graphs to put all the information in. I tried taking the ToV template and editing it to fit the ToL recipes, but I failed pretty miserably. So I'm requesting that you can send me a template to use for ToL recipes. It's important to note that the bread in the game doesn't have to be made by any characters specifically. You just bake the bread out of battle.

Update on the latest Tales stuffs
As stated by our affiliates on Abyssal Chronicles and elsewhere, demos have been released for both Innocence Rotten and for that silly Tales Musou game. The final release of Innocence R is also being released today as well, meaning this demo is just for people who are unsure about actually buying the game. But it is the same demo from TGS last year, so there is no extra effort that truly needs to be put into recording that data since we already have most pages completed for this version of the game. What we do need are completed pages for everything that exists in the final release of this same game. Remember that since this is a radically different version of the game, it deserves its own set of pages, so nothing should be added to the existing pages for the original DS version of Innocence.

As for the Musou game, again, we should have a set of pages for anything that is relevant to what exists in the demo, while a separate set will be created upon final release. The info for this demo and the final Innocence R game will be posted soon enough on the usual venues, and I will try to get started on them on Sunday if I have time and access to the net.

And apparently, there is a message included within Innocence R itself which states that another "reimagination" of a different Tales game is already underway. One of the producers within Namdai states that Innocence R will not be the only game on the Vita, so this is probably the next thing that Namdai is about to throw up for the sake of continuing the neverending Tales Cycle. Speculation abounds, so I suggest you see the official Namco Tales Forums to read and join that discussion if you care.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:36, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

About the News
Should we edit the news at the Main Page??

--OfficialTalesOf61 13:07, February 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, because this wiki is not a blog. I should just convert the news section on the main page to an RSS feed of Abby's website at Abyssal Chronicles because the news section is just a waste of space, as it always was since way back when it was started. Besides, my interest in keeping the news section updated at all died when Wikia Central forced its "Wikia New Look" garbage skin on us while removing our option of disabling it, since our content does not display as intended on the new skin, and I will not cater to something that I do not support in the first place. If the news section suffers because of it, blame Wikia Central, because they deserve it - even the main page was designed for the Monaco skin which I never really supported either, and the only skin we do support is Monobook, though the only way to see this wiki the way it should be seen is to edit your own user preferences manually to use Monobook instead of this "Wikia New Look" nonsense.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:16, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for not deleting Tales of Gekijou, when the game Tales of the Heroes: Twin Brave is released, maybe I can get information about the page.

Also thanks for the tip about creating a page! I'll keep in touch.

--OfficialTalesOf61 03:23, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

About my recent edits
I apologize for my ignorantly made edits. My only intention was to provide American viewers of the Wiki who are not familiar with the metric system a conversion of the characters' heights and weights that they could easily understand. I was not aware of the Tales Channel and TalesRPG websites' existences, nor that official conversions, whether or not incorrect, were the ones that had to be used.

In regards to the notes made, like Innes's weight being her claim and Repede's height including his tail, that information was obtained directly from the Japanese Wikipedia pages for their games. You can check them yourself for proof. I understand not including Sophie's age, but Innes's weight is a claim, not her real weight, and Repede's height does include his tail. I would think that important to include.

Nevertheless, I again apologize for the edits. I did read the "Manual of Style" page before making these edits, but it mentioned nothing about how the height/weight issue should be handled, so if I may suggest adding a little section so that no one else is confused in the future, it would be appreciated.

Regards, Arfaige 21:26, February 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know it wasn't on the MoS, and I'll add that in when I get around to updating that page more. I looked at the official Japanese websites for that same information, and they do have the same notes. But I must warn you that you should not take information from any Wikipedia page, Japanese or not, because they can be altered even in the most minor of ways which cannot easily be fixed without a thorough examination of the changes. The official sites exist for us to gather information from, and data taken from these original sources is less likely to be altered by change of hands, the same reason that third-party resources are not favorable in an academic setting if first-party sources exist. In other words, I don't care if Wikipedia JP has this info or not, but since the official websites do have this info, I will find a way to insert those comments by avoiding parentheses.


 * And it seems like the Tales Channel domain has been suspended already, likely due to the merger of Tales Studio into Bandai Namco Games proper. The official websites are now accessible through this page, which is hardly as intuitive as Teichan had been, but hey, it's Namdai JP. All of my hatred. At least the url addresses of each individual game's website remains unchanged so the links on our pages don't have to be modified.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:03, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, this link doesn't work? Lanate (talk) 03:29, February 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Huh, okay nevermind. I was going by how it no longer shows up on Google search results, and clearly that English "Tales Channel" shown in the results is just a fansite. But yeah, NTS is no longer an independent company now that it has been integrated into Namdai JP, so I wouldn't doubt that many changes are bound to occur as the mother company solidifies its throttle-grip on what remains of NTS. Blahblahblah Tales Cycle etc.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 06:51, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Welcome
Oh, wow, sorry to leave such a late reply. You're welcome, I'll keep trying to add more info to Aselia! Thank you for the welcome. --Zeno101200 23:06, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Some questions
The other day, I created the page for the ToS:DotNW Grade Shop. I was waiting on you to edit it again to add anything or fix any errors, but since Arfaige's numerous edits, I wouldn't be surprised if my edit got knocked down the page. IF it's not too much trouble, I think you should take a look at the page I edited and add anything that suits your fancy.

And about a month or two ago, I left a message asking if you could help me create a template for the Bread Recipes in Tales of Legendia. Since you only need to know the recipe name, ingredients, and location, I tried to copy ToV's Recipe template and edit it to fit my needs, but I do not know how. I would appreciate it if you could help me make a template that would fit ToL's recipe system.

Thank you for your time.

PS: When exactly do you think the TotW:RM Monster Book will be edited again? Are we going with Lanate's system, and are Japanese names gonna be added eventually?


 * Things will happen when they happen. You have to realize that some of us are rather busy with other things that have nothing to do with this wiki, and priorities will always come first. I already looked at that page you created and don't really care enough to fix everything I see fit, since everything is more or less okay the way it is. Although I still insist that copied descriptions from the game are not as good as text written with consistency with the rest of our content on similar pages. The Legendia recipes outline (not template, templates are a different concept in wiki-speak) will be made when I feel like doing it, since again I don't really care to worry about it at the moment. The RadiMai monster book stuffs is up to whoever wants to edit it, probably not me since the primary flaws have already been removed, and the JP names will be added whenever someone gets around to doing it.


 * Basically, don't be pushy about things being done. If you think you can do something, go ahead and do it as long as it doesn't end up as a stub or filler page. Any fixes will be made as others see fit, and I focus on all of the vital things and will edit them as soon as I see them. Beyond that, I tend to let others pick up after what I leave behind while I focus on my own things. After all, we need to get the Innocence R(otten) arte pages up rather soon, and the second demo for Tales Musou has been released just yesterday. We're rather behind on what we need to do, but I blame Namdai JP for everything based on the concept I refer to as the Tales Cycle. You can search for that phrase on official forums for more info about it and why it is such a bad thing.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 06:38, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

English voice actors
If you can't list voice actors for a character without a legit source, no matter how obvious the voice actor may seem, then why do some characters, such as Luke and Emil, have English voice actors listed for them even if they aren't credited in the games they're in? Did the actors themselves confirm their roles?


 * If there is no source for any character from a game that is not Symphonia, then the name really should be removed until a first-party source is provided. For instance, with Luke and Emil, they are not exempt from having accurately cited voice actor names. And in the absence of that, the names that are currently provided should be removed until a source -is- provided. This extends to every character, again excepting the games which do have full voice actor credits like Symphonia, and also those in which the voices remain the same in localization like Destiny PSX... though in this case the "English" voice actor name should be omitted anyway. There are no exceptions otherwise.


 * If you do see any page which does not follow this criteria, you must either remove the voice actor name from the page or add a relevant source, such as confirmations by those voice actors or the groups they are affiliated with that they did voice the given roles. Any such failures in consistency that we have at the present time are due to lack of oversight since pages generally have far worse problems to worry about than this, and I'd rather go through the pages to filter out garbage text like speculation and conversational speech when I see them. I don't remember every single problem that needs to be modified every time, which is why many of our pages are in a perpetual status of suck.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:11, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Why was my picture change for Martel Yggdrasil reverted? I think there should be a picture of her form as Mithos' sister somewhere on the site because she does look different from Goddess Martel. Maybe in another place on the page? It is important to me that people understand that Goddess Martel is /not/ the same as sister-Martel. When Martel was Mithos' sister she looked different than she does at the end of the game when she becomes Goddess-Martel. Please let me know. Thanks.

TillyMunson 00:23, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

My apologies for adding Graces's English voice actors without references... I didn't know about that. Would help if the game would actually credit the actors... I'll ask them in person at conventions and then record their answers with a video that I'll post on YT in order to get a good reference if textual ones are nowhere to be found. BTW people, YouTube has a truckload of panel videos, maybe we can use that as references. I don't know about you, but if a voice actor says "I did the voice of this character", I can't think of any better reference for the site.

Anyway, those are the names that people think that are the voice actors for Graces:
 * Asbel: Bryce Papenbrook (sounds a lot like Zidane in Dissidia: Final Fantasy)
 * Sophie: Cassandra Morris (sounds a lot like Gust from Hyperdimension Neptunia)
 * Hubert: Steve Staley (sounds a lot like Neiji Ryuga from Naruto)
 * Cheria has been confirmed and referenced as Laura Bailey
 * Malik: Jamieson Price (sounds a lot like Iron Tager from BlazBlue)
 * Pascal: Kate Higgins (sounds a lot like Sakura Haruno from Naruto)
 * Richard: David Vincent (sounds a lot like Jin Kisaragi from BlazBlue)

If we can confirm or unconfirm with videos or interviews that the following actors did work on Graces, that would be good for the site. The names are only leads BTW, based on sound, vocal range and rumors... However, if anyone managed to ask them if they worked on the game and filmed them during a panel to then upload it on YT, then it should be enough.

WebJiCi 19:33, March 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, videos are fine as references if the person is saying on camera that he/she voiced the role. It's the most direct means of sourcing a voice actor name, to be sure. As long as there are no embedded videos on any page, I don't have any issue with using videos as sources, though anything along the lines of personal statements by the voice actors on their own websites or blogs will also suffice.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:44, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Once Graces f is released in English...
This thread from the Tales forums will surely be beneficial in the task to add all the English arte names:

http://tales.namco.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=91335


 * Derp? I am a frequent user on the TSF, and I am one of those who contribute regularly, even with the arte lists themselves, on those very forums. I even provide in-depth analyses of certain things, ranging from arte history to the dreaded Tales Cycle, which earns me quite a reputation on the forums, not necessarily a good one but who cares. I know what's on the forums. And I, for one, am glad that the Graces localization thread was finally -removed- from the Tales Series Discussion section where I frequent most, and I think that thread deserves to be burninated for being filled with garbage like speculation for the sake of speculation, discussions just to "keep the thread alive" on a forum that barely moves at a fast pace at all, and overall extend hype for an announcement of a game that was announced literally 13 months ago, far too early and too long to be worth the hype itself.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 04:44, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I kinda already knew you browsed the forums. I'm just giving you a head ups for a helpful tool in the future.

Thanks and Sorry
Hey there. Thanks for not deleting Tales of the Heroes: Twin Brave page. I'm sorry for being such a dick until this time. FYI, I'm not American or British, so I'm sorry if my grammar isn't good. I appreciate your edits in that page. Can't complaint, but you're right about few things. I do not play Tales of Vesperia, or anything related to PS3, XBOX, or Wii. I only watched the whole walkthrough from YouTube, and I conclude all the story, the character's characteristic, etc. I may not the biggest Tales of fan ever, but thanks again. :D

Graces stuff
There is a stream for Graces being played right now here. It is currently at the part after the timeskip where Asbel returns to the Lhant mansion. I'm taking down arte names and such, though there is a running list on the TSF already. Really though, I don't like making changes to the pages unless we have most of the info, since I don't like mixing up Japanese and English arte names as the bolded/linked names. It's inconsistent. But we do need to make changes as soon as possible to allow our pages to be up to date, since any inaction will lead to misguided and false edits by others.

I really wanted Yuri Lowenthall to voice Asbel for the Haseozaku references. ;_;

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:50, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Eh, I wouldn't want Lowenthal for Asbel. It'd be weird since he already played Luke and Asch. Then again, that didn't stop Namco from casting Cheria and Hubert with actors who have already played controllable Tales chars, and Malik's actor played two major villains already. I'm glad Asbel was someone new. Bryce Papenbrook is doing good so far.

And in all honesty, casting characters based on previous performances or cameo costumes is pretty silly.

In any case, good luck with the arte names and such. Don't forget all the item name changes and location name changes too. For example, Baronia is now Barona, Duarise is now Dualize, Arles Pot is now Eleth Mixer, etc.


 * The Suzaku and Haseo/Ovan costumes exist specifically because they are voiced by the same people in the JP version. With Malik and Ovan's English voice actor being matched (based on ear and without cited source, mind you), and Suzaku and Haseo also being matched in English, Asbel's new voice actor actually dismantles the effect which was partially deliberate in Japanese casting roles, or at least it would be hard to believe that it -isn't- deliberate. If you see that as silly, then you can blame Namdai JP for making the original JP voice matches and costume choices in the first place. I blame them for a whole lot more than just this, after all.


 * But I'm also the one who supports having Kohaku/Amber being voiced by the one who voiced Kohaku in Tsukihime, and if Hisui ever gets a voiced role in any game, he should also be voiced by Kohaku's sister Hisui in the same anime. Yes, sister. I don't care what anyone else says, but the fact that Kohaku and Hisui being siblings with specifically these names represents a continuation of the many Nasuverse references in Tales, alongside Shi(ng)ki, Rubiagelita, Iriasviel, and Roa. (I'm joking, these things are obviously coincidences, but I still prefer to think of them as deliberate as my primary argument in supporting the change of Kohak's name to Kohaku rather than Amber lol.)


 * Nah, realistically, I could care less about who voices the characters as long as it is not a complete mismatch of voice and personality. I trust in the localization process. I don't trust in Namdai JP, however, and I hate them for everything they did to the series since 2007 in bringing the full momentum of the Tales Cycle to where it is now.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:00, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

So is Kohak's character page gonna be renamed "Amber", or will it only be changed if Tales of Hearts ever becomes localized? I think Amber is a better name anyway.


 * Hi. I'm pretty new to editing, but I've noticed that there are several differences in requirements to get nicknames between the Wii version and the PS3 version. Would I need to list down my references if I want to state the requirements on the PS3 version? Also, I'm playing the Japanese version, so I'm not sure if the English version follows the Wii's requirements.


 * Revyielle 07:37, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Um wow, don't sign comments using my name and links. >_>;; Just type the four tildes (" ~ ") and the wiki will sign for you automagically.


 * As for the differences between versions, obviously we are already aware of such things, and we have a very specific method of signifying such things on these pages. Believe it or not, all of the title pages are currently being converted to follow this setup and include all localized text wherever it is relevant. Be patient and wait for these changes to come about, which I expect to take another week or two at minimum to reach a standardized and acceptable status; I only started working on the changes to Hubert's title page this morning. Of course, this is on top of all of the other changes which we have been making to other pages, and no one has started to touch up the weapon pages. In fact, I fear what might happen to the weapon pages if someone gets to them first, since I still have to finish cleaning up the mess that was made on the Grade Shop page earlier today. So I'd appreciate if more edits were focused on contributing to story details (and not mere single-sentence commentary or unfounded speculation) for characters and other content-type pages, rather than messing with list-type pages which are for people who know what they're doing, at least until most of the formatting issues are out of the way so the common people can add whatever is necessary without breaking the page somehow.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:01, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I doubt I can contribute much though, since -
 * I don't know what are the localized names for the locations etc.
 * The future arc doesn't appear to be a Japan-exclusive content.
 * I pretty much suck at story-writing *cough* I meant summarizing. x.x


 * Revyielle 13:16, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Question about article name change
Hi, what's your reason for changing the Chlorseraph and Clinoseraph pages to Chroa-seraph and Chrino-seraph? Like most of the characters in Tales of Hearts, their names are based off of minerals. And as the trivia note says, their names come from the minerals clinochlore and seraphite. Therefore, the spellings of Clinoseraph and Chlorseraph make the most sense. I also see no reason for the hyphens since there are no hyphens in their names when written in katakana so why would there be when romanized?

Unless you've got concrete proof that they're supposed to be written Chroa-seraph and Chrino-seraph (like an artbook scan with the names written as such?) I think this edit is wholly unjustified.

--Commandant 11:56, March 16, 2012 (UTC)Commandant


 * It's not like I enjoy these names either, but we will always go with whatever has been made official in materials that have been published under Namdai JP's discretion, only to be overridden by any names established by localized media. Thus it is perfectly justified, and in fact our original names were the ones which were never justified to begin with. That doesn't make these official names likeable by any means though - I think "Grafyte" looks stupid, Corundum's name became hyper-unintelligible, and yeah, the mineral references became more obscured. In any case, enjoy reading the thread and what people think the rationale is for having these names as is. You are at liberty to bump the thread with a request for scans from the book, or you can buy the book itself, but I can assure you that no one in the thread who has the book itself is lying about these officially rendered names.


 * For the record, I actually forgot to make these name changes when the thread was being discussed. I even posted in it regarding Julio and Caro from NariDan 2/3. I only remembered now to make these changes to the Hearts character names due to the localization of Kohak[u] and Hisui's names to Amber and Jadeite, and it's a chance to make sweeping edits all at once instead of incrementally, which I truly oppose in most other situations.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:58, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * AH I see. Those Hearts romanizations are all pretty... unfortunate. But I guess if that's the only way they've officially been romanized then there's nothing for it. Are those localized names for Kohak and Hisui from Graces? I thought only Kohak had a cameo in it.


 * --Commandant 13:32, March 16, 2012 (UTC)Commandant


 * Yes these names are from Graces. Many character names are being localized for the first time through the Magic Carta minigame which is part of Graces itself. Basically, it's a minigame involving cards which are found hidden throughout the entire game, to be used in a minigame in which the player must match a voiced quote with the character who said it in his/her original game. The character names are written in the card descriptions, and the cards themselves show characters from throughout the entire series. So "Amber" exists as both a cameo character and a card, while "Jadeite" is just the card.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:43, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * AH ok. I literally just ordered Graces so I haven't had a chance to play it yet. I guess I can live with Amber, but Jadeite is quite possibly one of the worst localized names I've ever seen. I'm assuming they went with Jadeite instead of just Jade to avoid confusion with ToA Jade, but if they wanted to avoid that I don't see why they didn't just leave it as Kohak and Hisui?? Are any of the other party members of ToH in this minigame or just those two?


 * --Commandant 13:51, March 16, 2012 (UTC)Commandant


 * Yeah lol, I would have been okay with Jaden maybe (but Shing looks more like Jaden down to the duel disk he carries on his arm), but Jadeite makes him seem like a Sailor Moon character. But then, so is Kunzite. Anyway, the minigame has all playable chars from all of the main games (plus the Swordians in Destiny), along with Emil/Marta, Caius/Rubia, and Dio/Mell. People are still searching for the cards to find out if any other names have been changed, and so far the Destiny chars remain with their current names (which means we still have Garr/Bruiser/Karyl). Shing's name remains unchanged too. I will be making changes when I learn about them.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:08, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hi and sorry
Hi Am new to this so sorry for messing up some pages I will try My best to help thought. in whatever way I can. So I hope I can get along. P.S I realize that the this wiki dosen t have a Chat Room. Why is That? just asking. GuyAsbelKnight


 * Chatrooms are a terribad idea which should have never been implemented by Wikia Central. I oppose turning this wiki into a social website with blog nonsense and other such garbage, when the purpose of such things is already made redundant when talk pages such as -this- page exist for discussions. In fact, my hatred for Wikia's changes goes so deep that I openly suggest that any new users should immediately go into their preferences and change their skin to Monobook and -not- Wikia New Look, since the newer skin utterly destroys many aspects of our formatting due to the fixed width of the content area which does not exist in Monobook. Besides, the simplicity of the original MediaWiki/Wikipedia skin is better and easier to navigate than excess frills and countless other useless features which cater to the social networking crowd.


 * If community chatrooms are really needed, that's what the official Namco Tales Forums are for. We don't need anything like that here beyond the talk pages for project coordination.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:10, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Okay I understand your cause Thank you for telling I will Help support the wiki in anyway GuyAsbelKnight

Can I Ask you something?
You seem to have a lot of trouble with people who edit pages that don't fit with your approval. But how are we supposed to know whether our edits will always meet with your approval or not? And then you chastise people for editing pages in ways you didn't like even though they probably couldn't have known what your demands were.

I'm one of those people. I'm really sorry that my recent edits have been an inconvenience for you. I'm new to this sort of thing. I haven't even read any FAQs or guidelines for editing pages. I'll read them and I promise from now on when I edit pages, I'll try my best to only edit the parts I should and not cause any huge problems.

But I also think you should be more patient with Wiki editors. I know some people can be stupid, but you don't have to yell or type in all caps to get your point across. I think if you calmly explain what they did wrong and redirect them to the guidelines or an FAQ, they'll be able to learn easier and this wiki will surely get better.


 * ...right, sorry. But most of everything is in the Manual of Style, and if not, then comparisons with existing pages are sufficient. Using basic unformatted tables to create new lists of stuff is tantamount to garbage, as was the page I deleted earlier from one new user. And most things on a page, if they already exist with associated data and numbers, often would exist for a reason and not to seem like a duplication of information, like the stuff you deleted on Sophie's title page, which, as the entry numbers should have indicated to you, are precisely how those titles are sorted in the Wii version of the game. In any case, I am an angry person, and the internet just happens to be a convenient way to relieve stress (by causing more of it, awkwardly enough) so that I don't spontaneously collapse into tears in real life. But I hate blogging, so I'll leave it at that.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:13, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

You kind of said the same thing to me, didn't you? I didn't know about anything like that and I was only trying to help. Sorry if I did not meet your "SATISFACTION". --ReshiramArc1255 22:40, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

ToG Template
 Tales of Graces Characters Data Weapons Swords • Gauntlets • Dualblades • Daggers Bladerangs • Shotstaffs • Rapiers Equipment Plates • Robes • Clothing Scabbards • Anklets • Frames • Ribbons Colognes • Scarves • Cloaks Accessories • Attachments Other Tools • Materials • Food • Recipes • Manuscripts • Valuables • Magic Carta Remodeling • Quality • Equipment Skills • Mastery Skills Discovery Points • Trophies • Strategy • Monster Book • Grade Shop I've basically finished the Unique (Characteristic in JP) Equipment pages for every one; the only thing that's missing is proper categories, and some resell rates which don't matter. I'm thinking the new template would look like this, except Cloaks redirects to the current Robes page currently, and I'm not 100% sure if Malik's equipment is called Cologne or Perfume. I've also moved Rapiers' position to match the Collector's Book order, and added Attachments since they appear in the PS3 version, but I think there's only three or four that are non-DLC. I'll let you decide how it should be edited so I don't break anything.

JoeTang 15:58, April 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks okay to me. I deleted the redirect so that the new page can be created with that same name.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:33, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

TotH:TB Artes
I will fix the pages as fast as I can. --J944004 03:02, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

A Small Question
Yo. I was wondering if I can add some anime cutscene pictures to some article? Of course they are related to the section. I won't add them in the gallery though. Just look at Senel Coolidge page to see what I mean.


 * Do you plan to add sources for the images in the "Summary" section when you upload them? More importantly, do you even have sources other than screenshots from Youtube, which should never be used under any circumstances due to copyright violation? If the answer is no to either question, then my own answer is self-explanatory.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:59, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yup, that's what I'm planning. I want to put some screenshots in the Summary section. I think that maybe if we give some pictures, people who never played the game, or want to but cannot, will feel better while reading it. Sometimes it's boring if we just read it. I do have other sources. If not, I'll just have to go and find one. I'll figure a way somehow. --GamerGirlzPS2 21:19, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Where then?
I'm sorry, I'm trying to contact Tara Sands to get the accurate info of stuff from DotNW, along witht the correct characters she voiced in Pokemon. And I'm sure Funimation itself might be a reliable source. Here:

http://www.funimation.com/tales-of-vesperia/forum/funimation-shows/and-more/tales-of-vesperia/tales-of-vesperia-dub-cast

Straight from the horses mouth. Is that reliable or what?

Looks like they also got dibs on Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Rebirth. And though it's irrelevant they got Record of Lodoss War too.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:35, April 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * You might want to look up what "straight from the horse's mouth" means.


 * http://www.funimation.com/rojas/blog/tales-of-vesperia-cast-announcement/2873151


 * This is your reliable source which is a first party news announcement, not some copy paste inside a discussion forum or a news aggregate.


 * JoeTang 01:41, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

One of two favors.
Hello. Sorry to bother you but I need a table for all the manuscripts found in Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. There are two types of these: The first type is for Artes used like I think it was Sylph's Circle... When it's equipped to a monster it learns the arte Healing Circle. The other are what I call the "Colored Manuscripts" because each colored manuscript raises a monster's EXP by a certain amount. The best one was the Rainbow Manuscript which increases a monsters EXP by a whopping 100,000 points. The problem is the giant Poliwigles have it and they only appear sometimes in Gladsheim. I think I remember the colors of the other manuscripts: Grey, Yellow, White, Scarlet, Azure, Purple, Silver, Peach and Gold. The thing is I have to backtrack again to see how much each is worth, where to find them and the like.

Anyway, what did you think of the source for the Tales Of Vesperia First Strike info. I got it straight from the Funimation site itself.

I'll tell you the other favor I need in time.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 15:16, April 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Joe expressed my very same thoughts perfectly. There is nothing else to add on that issue, other than how I cannot see any content on Funimation's website due to this message: Thank you for your interest. Unfortunately, this site is not available in your country.


 * As for this table that you seem to want me to make for you... I'll do it on my own time. Not only am I busy with irl, I still have to deal with some internet problems which prevent me from being online on any long-term basis. Any terms to be used for separating the two types of manuscripts will come directly from the game. We will not invent terms like "colored manuscripts" out of nowhere; it must currently exist in some resource. If there is no term to differentiate these two types of items, then all table content will just be grouped together, no problem. And seeing how you want me to make a table outline for the page, no that is not how things are done here. If I am tasked to do a page, I will complete it on my own and in full upon the first edit with data compiled through Japanese sources, which takes less time than doing original research from the game proper, -especially- if that process is gradual since any publishing of awkwardly incomplete data (sans data points like selling prices which few sources ever have listed anyway) is cause for deletion.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:05, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

I see. Oh I almost forgot. There was another set of Grimoires called Messages. These grant monsters Abilities they don't normally have. Possibly at Level 2 like P. ATK 2 or P. DEF 2. Things like that. All you have to do is figure out the table format. I'll take care of the rest. And I apologize for any incovenience and the whole VA's thing. Just one thing, do you have an E-mail account and access to [tarasands.com]? That's kinda the second favor.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:56, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

P. S. Sorry you can't access Funimation from your end. Also, consider this a gift:



for your side.

Supporting chars
K no prob I just saw some red links there already so figured people were adding them.

Do you think a list page could be better? Sort of like how the minor Oresoren chars are all collected onto a single page? Like Ed and Isabella are red links, they are both listed as the Bantam Bouncers so maybe a page for the BB that they're be on?

Unfortunately I doubt there's enough content to make a Senel-like page, but combining minor chars' descriptions together could help make it bigger. +y@talk 00:44, April 13, 2012 (UTC)