User talk:Arosia/Archive 2


 * This is an archive of discussions from Moviebaby's user talk page. These conversations are considered to be closed. If you wish to leave a reply to any of these posts, please leave your comment on the original page.

Broken Rule
Did you know, or have you forgotten, that there is to be no swearing on this or any other wikia? I never swear when people just want to help. You were fixing a page, but you didn't have to swear. But now I am conflicted, should I report to Mayu about this or should I leave it alone cause I consider you a friend? Hmmm.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:18, August 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't give a damn about swearing in edit summaries and talk page comments, as long as it is used sparingly (ie. not done for **** and giggles in every post just because you can) and not directed at a person. If someone does start throwing around curse words toward other people or on a persistent basis, I will decide if it's worth a warning or a one-week banhammer. And believe me Winxfan, you don't need to tell us (hint: yes, "us", talk pages are open to everyone) your contemplation of reporting anything because I know what's going on unless I happen to be under the frequent effects of monsoon season typhoon-induced power outages, and so the act of doing this is redundant and therefore worthless.


 * As long as you keep yourself away from editing content pages, I can happily pretend you don't exist anymore by continuing to ignore you, and no further problems caused by you will occur. Though I should really point out that this wiki is not, and never has been, a blog, and your fanfiction stuff should be moved off of this site. Converse about it somewhere where it is appropriate.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:06, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Aren't you curious?
First of all, I'm sorry for ratting you out on the swearing. Second, this is rather important. There are articles yet to be finished. There is no Hunter article for starters and the Radiants are very important. I'm not saying we should do individual articles on the ten different Radiants. And besides, I was still on the job of finding out what levels fully evolved monsters de-evolve back into their base forms at the end of their cycle like what level Blade Rex de-evolves back into Were Dragon, but it doesn't hurt to multi-task.

Back on topic, the Radiants. Without them, Tales of the World Radiant Mythology would probably be just Tales of the World Mythology. And I have been playing. So far I got the Radiant Equipment from the Warrior, Healer, Fencer, Wizard and Thief. I'm working on the Fighter now, and the Radiant Fighter will probably have four pieces of equipment, since the Gloves count as both Weapon and Hand Armor. Once I have that gear, I'll challenge Senel and get the Ninja invite. I'm holding off beating the game until I have ALL the Radiant equipment. I'll add the rest in the Radiant Blog part 2, since we can't edit blogs. Or I can just leave it alone and no one will know.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 21:47, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Aw come on
First I (Sorry, I went Agro on my laptop because it shut down as I was watching videos and every time I press the I key in a certain way it tilts and I have to reposition it right.) anyway, First I'm not allowed to edit, now I'm not allowed to blog? Do I ever get to do anything? What if there was some info you needed. I'm trying to prove I'm a good editor. In the Radiant Mythology Monster Book I put in the locations of where to find Radiant Healer, Radiant Fencer, Radiant Grappler and Radiant Thief. I'm currently working to get my Hunter job character to Level 40 so it can battle and use the equipment of the Radiant Hunter. And I got all the Radiant Grappler Equipment and the Ninja Invitation. Just thought we should have a civilized talk.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:02, August 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * You can be a good editor by actually making good contributions. Examples of this include fleshing out articles using a writing style that is compatible with the MoS. Examples of bad contributions include making new pages which aren't worth being pages at all, acting like you are the sole arbiter of information on these things like you are doing now, and thinking that everyone has something against you when they tell you what you are doing wrong and why. Of course, I do tell you what you are doing wrong and why and you still do it while acting like you are in the right, so naturally I -would- have something against you. But no, NO ONE is allowed to blog because the blog functions are off-limits. As for not being allowed to edit, you proved that you consistently create bad edits every time you tried, and we don't need people like you.


 * In terms of gaining the info for DotNW or RadiMai, others have the game and access to the same info, sometimes FAR more complete than you can ever manage, and most of these others are Japanese people who spent their lives by dissecting the core specifics of these games to derive exact damage formulas and multipliers, among other things. I would rather trust these people and their information than any content that you provide. If there was some info that we needed, it wouldn't be a problem for me to go on 2ch and ask in Japanese. Any content that we have which remains missing will remain this way because there are priorities, ESPECIALLY existing pages which must be fleshed out before any new page can be considered as a viable focus of effort. But you keep ignoring this every time I say it so I have no reason to expect that you would finally hear these words now.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:35, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

About your user page
I can see us getting along quite well now. I too like Madonna music, actually, music by all 80's artists in general. Plus I have Abyss for the 3DS, Vesperia, Dawn of the New World and Radiant Mythology. You should make a gallery of your favorite characters too, like I did.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 04:19, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Names ending in s
Omitting the "s" in a case like this is old practice though. It can go either way even though the "s" omission is a minority thing, but it's preferable to add one, otherwise you're implying there's more than one of that person. Plus if you're going to have a problem with such a minor English rule, that means Kratos and Zelos's pages will have to be edited to erase all the extra s-es that were added. Letdragon (talk) 06:29, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Old practice? I see it used this way all the time. It doesn't imply there are more than one, obviously, because it's a character's name. Adding an "s" in this case looks awkward and redundant. Plus, I'm well aware of all the awful grammar usage infesting this wiki. I will work on those pages when I have the time. It's not that I have a problem with it. I have a problem with someone going in and adding an "s" to each one, further widening the gap of its alternate usage. Efforts should be focused elsewhere, but I digress. Besides, I've seen it without the "s" more on this particular wiki, and I will continue to knock out the ones with the "s" as I come across them. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that either form is correct, however. Moviebaby (talk) 07:42, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's just I've seen that the s' form has caused some confusion for students who wonder about names ending in s, so they're choosing to go more with the s's explanation these days, least from what I've seen. I had to fix the Spyro wiki in this sense and deal with someone who just didn't seem to get it. I've never had a problem with it really. But, for the sake of the wiki, I guess. Letdragon (talk) 09:33, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I always prefered to use [...]s's when refering to Dhaos's/Ras's/whomever's whatevers. Honestly, it can go either way, and I pointed it out when this same issue was contested a long time ago on this same wiki, since both forms are acceptable under the Chicago MLA. As far as changing specific instances of this to match one way or the other, I agree with Moviebaby that it's not even worth the effort when there are more significant and glaring errors on the same pages which should be addressed.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:58, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright then. Letdragon (talk) 05:50, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Your undoing to my talk page
You undoing my censored bad word. I'm changed censoring bad keyword. F*** is inappropriate keyword and other forum has changed *bleep*. Also GameFAQs is not allowed this keyword. Themanasword (talk) 10:32, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Moviebaby, just ignore it, and him.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:43, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wtf. Themanasword (talk) 10:55, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Harder than I thought
Sorry to bother you like this. First of all, thank you so much for helping Alpha with his article. I only provided full names when they are first mentioned and level 2 headlines. It is difficult to make these articles from scratch, which is why I'm here. I was trying to create an article on the Hunter Class. But there was so much info that was difficult to understand. I didn't even know which japanese translation to use: 狩人 or ハンター. All I know is the Hunter uses a bow. And in Radiant Mythology, to get the Hunter's invitation, I have to complete Nanaly's cooking quest then Arche's Mabo Curry quest and I get the invite from Chester. Mayu's right. I don't know a thing about how to do anything here.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:53, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Radiant Order
I found out something freaky. Might not be trivia worthy but here it is: The Order of Lorelei was introduced in December 15, 2005 in Tales of the Abyss and their symbol is that of a tuning fork right. Well Tales of the World Radiant Mythology was released in Japan in December 21, 2006 and, here's the freaky part:

That symbol of the Order of Lorelei is on the clothes of the Radiant Healer. Even the Healer Staff has the same Tuning Fork symbol on it. Even more so, it's the same staff Ion was holding in his official art. That must mean that the symbol has been the inspiration for the Radiant Healer equipment. Stupid I know, but still. It's strange.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:36, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Magnar
I noticed the template with Raine on it is gone from Magnar's page. Does this mean that it fits all the parameters of the Manual of Style?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 05:18, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

No, we just don't use that template anymore. Moviebaby (talk) 05:23, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. I made the article. Anything wrong with it so I can fix it. Or do I have to fgure that out myself? Because that was all the info I got, and there wasn't much to begin with. I really do try my best to help.

Also, whoever made the Balacruf Mausoleum article forgot to put in info from DotNW sice Balacruf Mausoleum was in that game, albiet a side-quest but still. Maybe there's something wrong with the sentence structure in the article.

Let's see... I managed to piece together the Hunter Article, but I need your honest opinion about it: The Hunter (狩人) is a recurring job in the Tales series.

Job Characteristics
The Hunter's weapon of choice is the bow and arrow. It is classified as an elite job only obtainable by receiving the Hunter's invitation. In later games it would be one of the jobs offered from the start. The Hunter can attack from long range putting them at a disadvantage against experts in close range combat. Standard artes usually associated with the Hunter job include Thunder Blitz, Eagle Shot and Wyrm Shot.

Tales of Phantasia: Narikiri Dungeon

 * For a list of artes, see this page.

Tales of the World: Narikiri Dungeon 2

 * For a list of artes, see this page.

Tales of the World: Narikiri Dungeon 3

 * For a list of artes, see this page.

Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology

 * For a list of artes, see this page.

The Hunter is one of the advanced jobs of Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology. In order to obtain the job, the protagonist must complete a cooking request from Nanally Fletcher. Then he or she must then complete a request from Arche Klein to give her some Mabo Curry to give to Chester Burklight. After completing the quest, Chester will give the him or her the Hunter invitation and will allow him or her to change into the Hunter class for 100 Grade Points.

Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 2

 * For a list of artes, see this page.

Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 3

 * For a list of artes, see this page.

Gallery
What do you think? I'm sorry but I only got the info on the hunter fron RM1. I'm sure you know more than me. Just wanted to give this a shot.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 11:38, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

You're the boss.
It is true that, after a close look, the Temple of Darkness article needs to be re-written. The editors back then had no clue what they were doing. I just thought I would expand on the DotNW section:

Upon awakening, Emil finds out that, while he was unconscious, Marta had been trying to hatch Tenebrae's Core but without success. Emil offers his hand to help and the core hatches, restoring Tenebrae. Sheena joins the others in the happy reunion and the three leave the temple. As they were about to exit the temple, Regal Bryant comes in and tells them that Seles Wilder, half-sister of Zelos Wilder, the Chosen of Tethe'alla, had bought Glacies' Core. They soon leave the temple to head back to Meltokio.

Pretty nice huh. think about this as you re-write the Temple of Darkness article.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:22, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much.
Thank you for tweaking and posting my Hunter Article. It looks great. BTW, did you know Saleh from Tales of Rebirth was in Radiant Mythology 3? That could be useful info for his article when the time comes. I'll try to piece together what I can for Agria and Wingall's articles.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 11:20, August 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Stop making new pages. Stop encouraging others to make new pages. Stop providing [bad] content for new pages and dumping it online as if you think the info needs to be disseminated. Stop copying deleted content and dumping it online as if you think the info needs to remain in dissemination, given how every page has a "history" tab which automatically archives EVERY edit ever made. Use your own computer and save it in some folder or your desktop or something. I don't want to see it.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 15:08, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

It's my talk page and I can put whatever I want on it. And besides, I was saying thanks to Moviebaby. These conversations should only be between two people only. no one else need be involved.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 18:48, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Don Whitehorse
Here I go again. I posted info on Don Whitehorse before but I sent it when I wasn't connected and now I have to re-type it again. Here it goes: He came to stop the monsters at the source, the Forest of Keiv Moc, only to find that the problem was already taken care of thatnks to Yuri Lowell and his allies. Though the two officially meet, the pleasantries had to be cut short as the Don had some business to take care of in Dahngrest. After Yuri and his team return, they find Flynn Scifo speaking with the Don about a peace treaty between the Empire and the Guilds, however the talk quickly turned sour when the Don found out that Ioder wanted him out of the way and Flynn soon realized the letter must be fake, but the Don places Flynn in the dungeon and declares war on the Empire.

When he finds Yuri taking Flynn's place in the dungeon he is touched that he would do such a thing and tells him why he started a guild in the first place: he didn't like the way the empire ran things and wanted to be free, and to protect those he loved and cherished the most. He also let's Yuri in on a secret: He knew that someone in the Five Master Guilds, mainly Barbos, wants him out of the way and knew that the letter given to him by Flynn had to be fake, but he had a reputation to maintain so he performed his act to get everyone riled up. Seeing himself in Yuri he lets him out, gives him until the battle starts to prove Flynn's innocence and informs him the one truly responsible is still in the city. He continued the act until Flynn arrived with the real letter, ending the conflict.

How's that?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 12:43, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ioder
I really hate it when people leave out stuff that happend in the story. Anyway: When Yuri and his friends are arrested and sent to Heliord Ioder repays Yuri rescuing him by clearing all the charges against him. Yuri and his friends, who are called Brave Vesperia, encounter Ioder again in Capua Torim and inform him of a situation that came up and talk to him about being the new emperor. He says that he can't be emperor because the symbol of ascenstion, Dein Nomos had been missing for ten years and there hasn't been one since. They encounter him again in Halure after the residents from Zaphias had been evacuated from Alexei Dinoia's takeover, but no residents of the lower quarter were there. He informs Yuri that the situation in the capital is worse than anyone could imagine.

That's all I got but I'm sure you can expand on that.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:40, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

I saw your latest edit summary and I'm glad you brought that up. These were events that happened between when Yuri saved Ioder from the ship and after Aurnion was built. I hope that helps.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 12:02, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Expansion
I hope no one minds but I tweaked the Izoold page a bit for the Dawn of the New World section. Also, an expansion on the DOTNW Sybak article: The party of Emil, Marta Lualdi, Regal Bryant and Sheena Fujibayashi all head to the Imperial Research Academy to get permission from Director Schneider to enter the Temple of Lightning. They meet a man who reminds Emil about Aster. Inside Sheena scolds Emil and Marta for speaking badly about Half-elves, especially since they know Raine and Genis and it would not be fair to them.

After the talk they head to the basement where Ratatosk-Mode Emil turns back to normal Emil and has no memory of what happened at the Temple of Lightning, so Sheena and Marta bring him up to speed about it and decide Emil should get some rest. During which he had the dream where Richter killed him and awoke to find that Schneider had returned. Before returning to the academy Emil overheard Regal talking to Sheena and Marta about the letter Raine wrote. Apparently it was a psychoanalysis of Emil's split personality. However, everyone reassures Emil that he is not a fake and they all go see Schneider.

After returning to the Academy, Emil and his friends learn more about Ratatosk, Nifelheim and the history behind Richter and Aster. They also learn that a young woman named Rilena, a close friend of Aster, was continuing his research and left for the temple. After hearing this, they are granted permission by Schneider to enter the temple. After returning from the temple they give Schneider an update on the situation and he decides to keep Rilena's notes safe. The party then leaves for Meltokio. When the party splits up after the events at the Martel Temple to make preperations for the final battle, Emil finds Raine in the center of town.

I'll also provide some insight for the DotNW part of the Temple of Lightning:

Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World
When the party arrives they are stopped by two Martel Knights who say the temple is off-limits and one of the knights pushes down Marta Lualdi. Emil Castagnier becomes furious by this and turns into Ratatosk-Mode and threatens to kill the knights. Regal Bryant says that what Emil was doing wasn't the way to get into the temple or protect Marta, so Emil withdrew his sword. Soon Schneider, the director of the Sybak Research Academy came. As soon as he recognized Regal, the knights then treated the party with more respect due to his status. Schneider then explained the situation: apparently the temple had become too dangerous and only those with permission from the director can enter, so the party heads to Sybak to get permission from Schneider.

After getting permission to enter the temple, the party returns to the temple only to find the knights who harassed them dead, meaning someone was after Centurion Tonitrus' Core, realizing that either Lloyd or the Vanguard were here. Before they went inside they find some notes and soon realize they belong to Rilena. Once inside the temple they find two researchers running away because there was a foul-smelling violent man running around the temple killing everyone in sight and Marta soon realizes it could be Decus. Emil tells the researches to head back to Sybak and soon they proceed. Further in they find Lloyd only to be ambushed by the Vanguard.

Just before they reach Tonitrus' altar they find Decus about to kill Rilena. Emil intervines only to suffer from Decus more brutal attacks until Emil's Ratatosk personality takes over and opens a black hole sucking in Rilena and Decus. Afterward, Marta slaps Emil in the face and becomes angry at him because he did not care about what happened to them. Tenebrae had a theory that the move Emil used was to transport Centurion Cores to their respective altars, but the person in question had to have a Centurion's Core to begin with so they proceed. Upon approaching they altar they get attacked by a monster who had the same aura as Tonitrus. After they defeat it, Marta hatches the core and Sheena decides it was time to inform Schneider of their progress. Marta was still angry at Emil afterwards. As soon as the party leaves, the Royal Army arrives and escorts the survivors to safety.

Alternative Scene
If Emil is struck by lightning a set number of times, Lloyd will leave his third mask and take Tonitrus' Core, after which Emil will be struck by lightning.

Trivia

 * In a skit, Regal explains to Emil about why Sheena does not like being at the Temple of Lightning.

Not bad huh?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:24, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Is my info on Sybak and the Temple of Lightning really that bad?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 15:53, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, I haven't even so much as glanced at it yet. I've been busy, and will approach these matters when necessary. Just to help me clarify this: WHY do you like Dawn of the New World SO much? Granted, I've never completed the game, but I've played it, and it does not seem interesting in the least. I much prefer the prequel, and I would MUCH prefer more content added in terms of the original game. However, I can't stop you from writing or adding this content. Just don't be upset when you notice my interest toward cleaning and adding it is at a minimum. Moviebaby (talk) 17:33, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

If you need someone advice ask Mayu, since he completed Dawn of the New World. I can't really help you on that. --Juan Ma (talk) 19:59, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

@ Moviebaby. Well, one thing is the voice acting. I mean Tara Jayne does Genis' voice a lot better than Colleen O'Shaughnessy. Second, you can raise monsters which I find really cool. Thirdly, the character development. I mean, how cool is Emil and this is probably Laura Bailey's first Tales video game voice job. After this she was Droite in Vesperia and Cheria in Graces and the remake Graces F. I played and beaten the game four times. Sorry if I made you feel inferior about it. How far did you get? Maybe I can help out. Don't worry, I won't be upset.

@ Juan ma. First, you need to come up with your own user page. Second, Mayu and I are not really on speaking terms.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:55, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

@Juan Ma. Mayu is a female (as far as we know at least).

@Winxfan. I'm pretty sure Vesperia came out before DotNW. And since only Graces f was released in English and not the Wii version, Laura was only Cheria in Graces f.

Forgive me for correcting you guys. That's just in my nature. I always try to point out the mistakes people make when it comes to the English language and any other information I know. Some people take it the wrong way though. (MabiEditor)


 * DotNW came out first, but in Japan. Vesperia came out some months afterwards, which was then scheduled for a near-simultaneous release in the US, so then its localization was released before DotNW. Thefefore, even though DotNW is the earlier game, it has the most recent localized arte names which have not been overridden so far by Graces, such as Yuri's Triple Kick. Now, as for DotNW, even if I played it, I still see it as a badly conceived game which causes more continuity errors than the single one that it fixed, that Aselia no longer runs on mana by the time Leisen blows up all of the mana on the planet just to kill Dhaos. And really, it feels like a sort of official fanfiction, in that Lloyd becomes the Tales version of "red makes me go three times faster and i has a mask" Char Aznable just to generate story conflict until the obvious tweeest. The only thing that Lloyd is missing from the Char mentality is the need to drop a space colony on the planet.  It's not a horrible game to the extent that Tempest was, but that's not really a compliment when Tempest probably shouldn't be compared with anything in the first place, since everything else is automatically better, even DotNW.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:13, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

@Mayu. Whoa. That's something to think about.

While I agree it's not the best game due to the fact that not ALL the artes from the original passsed on to this game like Aqua Laser, Sword Rain: Beta Flame Lance etc. it does have its fair share of laughs, drama and deaths (mostly to the antagonists). It also makes a few references to the original game like how Regal explained to Emil why Sheena doesn't like the Temple of Lightning, or Presea made two objects: the Loni-Kyle and the Judas Mask which was seen on Judasigles (Which I think is a dumb enemy). Even one that wasn't in any tales games: Collette talking about spies in cardboard boxes. Sound familiar to anyone? Oh, and in Izoold: In Chapter 8, Emil went to see Regal, who wanted to check on the situation and about respect for one another.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:33, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Blade Drifts of Zopheir
I was thinking, maybe we ought to officialize the Tales of Vesperia World Template. Other than that I got a basis for... Hmmm, a lot of stuff happens in Zaphias, maybe I ought to do something smaller. How about this: The Blade Drifts of Zopheir is an area in Tales of Vesperia located in North Eastern Illycia east of Capua Nor and north of Halure. At first, the area is inaccesible because it was too warm, but after Ehmead Hill was obliterated, this area became open to Yuri Lowell and his companions as an alternative path to Halure. It is also the birth place of Undine in Terca Lumires.

Description
The Blade Drifts of Zopheir is an icy area that snows most of the time. In these icy platforms, there are blades sticking out probably from the Great War ten years prior to the game.

Finding a Way
After Yuri and his friends failed to save Estelle from the clutches of Alexei Dionia they crash near Capua Nor and notice a large crater where Ehmead Hill once stood. Once there, they find Teagle and his family at the in and find out that it was the time of year that the Blade Drifts of Zopheir are at the coldest so the ice would be stabe to walk on. After thanking Teagle, Yuri and his friends were on their way to save Estelle.

Karol Saves the Day
Upon ariving at the Blade Drifts, they see many swords sticking out of the ice. Soon they are being stalked by a monster known as Baitojoh. They arrive at a crystallized are krene, became trapped in the aer flow and was cornered by the Baitojoh. Yuri managed to push Karol Capel out of the way. As the only one left to fight Karol faced the monster head on. Things seemed hopeless until Karol pulled out a sword that controlled the aer and Yuri and the others were free and joined Karol to defeat the Baitojoh. After the battle, Karol was so exhausted from the fight that he passed out so Yuri and the others had to fight their way out without him. Upon leaving Karol wakes up and the others leave.

Birth of Undine
After receiving Belius' Apathea from Harry Whitehorse, Yuri and his friends return to the Blade Drifts with Estelle in order to put Rita Mordio's plan into action. They head to the aer krene and utilize it to create a substance known as "Mana" in order to free Estelle from her power as the Child of the Full Moon. The plan worked all too well as the Apathea's formula began to rewrite itself and took on the form of a beautiful woman. When she first speaks, Judith recognizes her voice and the others come to the conclusion that Belius' consciousness resided within the Apathea. Yuri gives her a new name for her form: a spirit. And it was Estelle that officially names her Undine, after the ancient ruler of the waters. Upon leaving, Yuri and his friends notice the threat of the Adephagos is growing stronger and don't have much time. So they hurry to find more Entelexeia to turn into spirits.

Pretty nice huh? You can be honest if you want.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 20:28, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Regal edition
why regal's participation during dawn of the new world was deleted? That edition took of almost half of the page's content. Also should I have written mercenary instead of convict? --Juan Ma (talk) 04:21, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Because it was crap, and I'm tired of crap. Fair warning for future reference: this writing which contains past-tense phrases, simple "he did this" or "she did that" sentences, parentheticals, and contractions will all be deleted. I don't have the time to go through and fix it because it's too poorly written. I would rather have lack of content than crap, which is exactly what I've been seeing, paricularly in the "Relationships" sections, which I think needs more overall clarity on how to be written properly. It will be much easier to type content from crap articles from scratch. Just to note: I primarily see the most severe cases of crap on the Symphonia articles.

As for the occupation on Regal's article, referring to his position as president will suffice.

Moviebaby (talk) 06:02, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

If you're tired, quit. It's that simple.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 08:24, September 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you're Winxfan, quit. It's that simple, because crap happens to be synonymous with Winxfan's contributions. You really don't seem to understand that as long as people like you exist on this wiki, we have no choice but to continue to vanguard the wiki against all of your edits, and quitting becomes impossible, and more importantly, irresponsible. So no, you quit first before we will wait at least ten years and then finally retire.


 * I certainly agree with just deleting any shoddily written text, as it is what I always did if I do not have the time to fix everything as necessary. This is the very reason that we cannot quit when we are merely "tired", since it means the garbage will proliferate and surpass all of the valid and decently written content. We will stop being "tired" when all of it is gone and future edits are of proper quality, as it means we will finally be reinvigorated enough to enhance the wiki with positive contributions rather than focus on bringing all of the negative contributions back to zero, where they belong. That is the end goal; we are doing what we can to prevent the wiki from becoming the festering pile of junk that poor Winxfan's expectations qualify as "nice huh". No one should ever settle for "nice huh", especially when it means [insert Tsukihime "it's shit, right? it's shit" image macro here].


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:19, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Then why not just delete EVERYTHING and start from square one?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:38, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

First of all, not all of the content on this wiki is crap, just the portions you write. Secondly, plenty of articles on this wiki desperately need to be written properly, but I nor Mayu simply have the time to devote to such a task. If we had more users who KNEW HOW TO WRITE WELL then it wouldn't be so much of a problem, but sadly we don't. Moviebaby (talk) 00:48, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

It's because you guys never take the time to ask for help from them. I may know of some good users who might consider helping. And what is it I am doing wrong, not enough content, SPG (Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar) tell me.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 06:43, September 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * A few years back, around 2009 or so, even before I got admin powers which really didn't change anything since I acted the same way even before I became an admin , I was heavily promoting the wiki with self-plugs and everything else whenever it seemed appropriate, on the official Tales forums, AnimeSuki, GameFAQs, etcetc. The problem is that people saw the crap and they thought that the wiki was encouraging that crap since it was never cleaned up. So they openly pointed out flaws in the wiki and its content -without fixing any of it themselves-, leaving me to do it as soon as I became aware of it courtesy of the kind of damning commentary they had to share. I mean, when I first started editing here, the Tales of Destiny page had a misinformed or deliberatively disruptive user who kept claiming there was a Sega port of the game, which is false by all other accounts. Guess who brought it to its current state, as probably the best example of how a game's article should be formatted and sectioned... and its story section is -still- flawed and needs to be rewritten.


 * My point? If no one fixes it and just points it out as a reason why a wiki should never be trusted, parading it as an example of the kind of content we allow (which we most certainly do not!!), then it won't be fixed and the crap will stay forever... UNLESS someone who is dedicated enough will put forth the effort to make proper changes. In the absence of someones like this, the best placeholder is a red link or a stub tag in place of a vital section, and not badly written text which fail our litmus test of standards. We need to get the wiki to a state in which the rules are widely disseminated and followed, so that future contributors with good quality edits will be encouraged to take part in the wiki. This is impossible while bad quality edits and users remain.


 * For the record, I still plug the wiki whenever it's relevant, but I know that most of the people on the TSF are actually annoyed whenever I bring up the topic that Aselia exists and needs help. It's a lot easier for me to pass off Aselia as a translation site for comprehensive resource-based lists than a site for general Tales info anyway. These days, my posts are directed at expressing my pure hatred for Namdai JP and its Tales Cycle. That or my love for delicious shota crossdressers.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:28, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

I see. Well, if it were more detailed, gramattically correct and follows proper procedures, it could come back. Fair enough. I'll see what I can do for it. The DotNW section for Regal and getting you proper users. Just one thing, should I explain in full detail Regal's involvement in Dawn of the New World?

Here's what I got so far:

Chapter 4
Regal, like the others, returns in the sequel of the game. He is arrested for supposably causing fires in Izoold. The new protagonists Emil Castagnier, Marta Lualdi and Tenebrae, as well as Raine and Genis, find him in prison and he explains how he got in jail again: He wanted to make a deal with Berg, a local gel maker, when suddenly there was a bright light and it knocked both of them out. When he came to he saw that Berg was unconscious and he pulled him out of the fire, but was accused of starting the fire. He informs them that if Berg were awakened, he could vouch for his innocence. After Berg awakens from his poison induced coma, he explained to the guard that Regal was innocent and let him out, however the guard misplaced the keys to his handcuffs and Regal apologizes in advance for breaking them apart, and to compensate he would send the guard a pair of his companies' handcuffs. He then joins the group after a change of clothes in the search for Centurion cores, but also to search for Lloyd. It is shown that he took off his shackles just like he promised Alicia after the game though he keeps to his vow never to kill with his hands and continues using his feet to battle. He joins Emil, Marta and Tenebrae to find the real culprit of the arsen, which turns out to be a Light Frog, or Nasdrovie as Tenebrae would call it. After defeating the Light Frog, he tells Berg to hold off production of gels until it is safe to do so again, and he joins the group on their journey. When Decus (disguised as Lloyd) attacks Flanoir, Regal and his friends find Lloyd. Regal confronts Lloyd about what happened but he just ignores him. After the confrontation, Regal wears his convict outfit, saying he will take the embarrassment for his friend. After tending to the wounded, Regal and the others head to the Temple of Ice where they find the outside so warm that the snow has melted. They encounter Raine and Genis and after a brief sigh of relief they explain the situation in Flanoir. After the explaination he agrees to help Emil, Marta and Tenebrae with their journey and hopefully they will find Lloyd again. They return to Flanoir, after hearing from Genis that the Accessory Shop Owner there took Glacies' Core, to ask the owner about the core, only to find out that his son returned it to the temple when no one would buy it, but Regal was suspicious about the old man's words but he and the others went back to the temple to confirm it. Once inside Regal tells them that the Temple was the home of Celsius, but a friend of his made a pact with her and was still with his friend. After Marta got separated from the group, and some large chunks of ice fell from the ceiling, Emil and Regal were cornered by the Vanguard, but after defeating them he used his chi power to break through the ice blockade. He explained to Emil that he once killed the woman he loved with his hands and vowed never to use them as weapons of death again. He and Emil try to save Marta from Richter Abend only to be stopped by Aqua and failed to save her in time. However, it was later seen that Regal's friend, Sheena Fujibayashi, saved Marta with an Igaguri ninja technique and he was not only happy to see her again, but to see Marta unharmed as well. After hearing from Sheena that the family who runs the accessory shop in Flanoir are Vanguard imposters, they decide to ask the real accessory shop owner, who gladly tells them as payment for saving their lives, that he went to Meltokio to sell the core, so Regal, Emil, Marta, Tenebrae and Sheena to Meltokio.

What do you think, too much? This was only for Chapter 4 alone.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:17, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Speculation?
What speculation did i wrote in the centurions page? when the centurions are asleep, nature's balance is thrown into chaos. Ventus dormant state was the one responsible of the wind in Asgard and the monsters on the stone dais, tonitrus caused the thunderstorms in sybak and affected the interior of the temple of lightning, iselia also suffered drops on the temperatures because ignis power is working on reverse and finally Solum caused the earthquakes in meltokio and ultimately collapse on the interior of the temple of earth. Also when lumen was asleep lake Sinoa (the lake where Luin is) dried up. If Ratatosk stays asleep (alongside with his centurions) nature will be thrown of balance and destroy the world. Ratatosk alongside the Centurions manages the world mana levels by using monsters and distribute mana all over the world. By keeping their ties with monsters Ratatosk regulate the mana. It seems that the centurions page lacks these details. --Juan Ma (talk) 00:28, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

"It is speculated that Colette Brunel and Zelos Wilder may be safe as well because they are the Chosen, but it is unexplained." The rest was because of your grammar. Moviebaby (talk) 00:38, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

And what about the triet page? is official and the game state that. --Juan Ma (talk) 01:13, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

Marta Lualdi
Do you need me to explain, in full detail, Marta's history in Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World? I played the game 5 times, beat it four. I know how the story goes, I know every detail. Please, trust me with this.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:37, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

No, I just need you to write it properly so I don't have to fix it. Otherwise, scrapped. Moviebaby (talk) 03:57, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

I was talking about her involvement in the story from the Bloodpurge to the ending. Other than the three endngs the history section for Marta is blank.

Here's an example:

Prologue
Before the events of Tales of Symphonia took place, Marta lived with her family, which consisted of her mother and father. During the journey of the Chosen of Regeneration the Giant Kharlan Tree ran amok and nearly destroyed Palmacosta, but her mother was caught up in the destruction and died as a result. A few months after that incident, her father, Brute Lualdi, formed the organization known as the Sylvaranti Liberation Front, the Vanguard, with the help of Richter Abend and a jewel known as Solum's Core and Marta became one of the soldiers in the organization whose duty was to help the people of Sylvarant.

Six months before the start of the journey of Emil Castagnier, after not being able to handle the Vanguard's violent ways, Marta felt it was up to her to stop the madness. During the Blood Purge, she stole a jewel known as Ratatosk's Core but was cornered by her former comrades. She takes the core and begs Ratatosk for help. A bright light surrounds the area and she passes out, totally unaware that she was saved by the real Lloyd Irving. When she woke up, she saw a young man appear right in front of her and noticed her purseuers were nowhere to be seen. She thanked the young man for saving her and ran off.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:58, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

More Detail
I have written a more in-depth section for Regal's involvement in Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the new world, but I need you to give it a once-over to see what can be improved before it can be put in.

Light and Darkness
Regal, like the others, returns in the sequel of the game. He is arrested for supposably causing fires in Izoold. The new protagonists, Emil Castagnier, Marta Lualdi and Tenebrae, as well as Raine and Genis, find him in prison and he explains how he got in jail again: He wanted to make a deal with Berg, a local gel maker, when suddenly there was a bright light and it knocked both of them out. When he came to he saw that Berg was unconscious and he pulled him out of the fire, but was accused of starting the fire. He informs them that if Berg were awakened, he could vouch for his innocence. After Berg awakens from his poison induced coma, he explained to the guard that Regal was innocent and let him out, however the guard misplaced the keys to his handcuffs and Regal apologizes in advance for breaking them apart, and to compensate he would send the guard a pair of his companies' handcuffs. He then joins the group after a change of clothes in the search for Centurion cores, but also to search for Lloyd. It is shown that he took off his shackles just like he promised Alicia after the game though he keeps to his vow never to kill with his hands and continues using his feet to battle. He joins Emil, Marta and Tenebrae to find the real culprit of the arsen, which turns out to be a Light Frog, or Nasdrovie as Tenebrae would call it. After defeating the Light Frog, he tells Berg to hold off production of gels until it is safe to do so again, and he joins the group on their journey. When Decus (disguised as Lloyd) attacks Flanoir, Regal and his friends find Lloyd. Regal confronts Lloyd about what happened but he just ignores him. After the confrontation, Regal wears his convict outfit, saying he will take the embarrassment for his friend. After tending to the wounded, Regal and the others head to the Temple of Ice where they find the outside so warm that the snow has melted. They encounter Raine and Genis and after a brief sigh of relief they explain the situation in Flanoir. After the explaination he agrees to help Emil, Marta and Tenebrae with their journey and hopefully they will find Lloyd again. They return to Flanoir, after hearing from Genis that the Accessory Shop Owner there took Glacies' Core, to ask the owner about the core, only to find out that his son returned it to the temple when no one would buy it, but Regal was suspicious about the old man's words but he and the others went back to the temple to confirm it. Once inside Regal tells them that the Temple was the home of Celsius, but a friend of his made a pact with her and was still with his friend. After Marta got separated from the group, and some large chunks of ice fell from the ceiling, Emil and Regal were cornered by the Vanguard, but after defeating them he used his chi power to break through the ice blockade. He explained to Emil that he once killed the woman he loved with his hands and vowed never to use them as weapons of death again. He and Emil try to save Marta from Richter Abend only to be stopped by Aqua and failed to save her in time. However, it was later seen that Regal's friend Sheena Fujibayashi saved Marta with an Igaguri ninja technique and he was happy to see her again. After hearing from Sheena that the family who runs the accessory shop in Flanoir are Vanguard imposters, they decide to ask the real accessory shop owner, who who gladly tells them that he went to Meltokio to sell the core, so Regal, Emil, Marta, Tenebrae and Sheena to Meltokio.

Truth Behind the Mask
Upon entering Meltokio, after someone blocked Glacies' Core, Regal explained about customer confidentiality when the shop keeper refused to tell them who bought the core, but stated that the nobility of Meltokio can not resist showing off the latest gems they came into possesion so he suggests they ask the King of Tethe'alla who bought the core. They soon come across Alice who has a new pet. After the battle, and when Tenebrae sacrificed himself to save Emil, Regal leaves the group to find out who has Glacies' core while the others go to the Temple of Darkness to find Tenebrae's Core. Just as the group was about to leave the temple, Regal appeared saying that Glacies' Core was purchased by Seles Wilder and rejoined the group. When they went to convince Seles to give them the core Tokunaga ran down the stairs and informed them she had been kidnapped by Lloyd, so they split up to try and find him. During a conference with the king, Regal arrived to offer his aide in the search for Seles. Inside Cape Fortress, Regal leaves the group in order to find Sheena, who fell into another pitfall. He arrives to save the group from Decus and Alice after his Lloyd disguise vanished. After Seles is saved he continues to accompany Emil on his journey.

Dark Premonition
Regal used his status to calm down a scuffle between Emil and two Martel Knights guarding the Temple of Lightning and was recognized by the Sybak Imperial Research Academy Director Schneider, who informs them that the area has become unstable, so the group heads to Sybak to get permission from him to enter. While Emil was resting, he explained the contents of a letter Raine gave to him, which was a psychological evaluation for Emil but comforted him by saying Emil is still Emil. After retrieving the core, he suggests that they tell them of the situation involving Decus and Rilena to Schneider. Once they head back to the Temple of Earth, they find Rilena, who talks about Ratatosk. Before she leaves the temple Regal asks her if Aster, Rilena's closest friend, had any recognizable birthmarks. After a battle with some Lookins, Tenebrae said that Decus was carried off to an Exsphere mine, which Regal quickly remeembered was the Toize Valley Mine. Upon entering the mine, Regal could not believe how much of the mine was left in tact and would request that the mine be closed off. To do so, he and the group would have to go to Altamira. Once there, after explaining the situation to his assistant George, his company is over run by the Vanguard and everyone is taken hostage. While the gang hangs out at the hotel to come up with a plan, Alice states that they had until morning to surrender Marta to them or everyone in the city dies with bombs planted around the city perimeter. Using his influence in all of Tethe'alla, Regal comes up with a plan to save Marta and the city by using a remote control device disguised as hand-cuffs. His plan was for Emil and Sheena to turn him in so that they could get close to Alice and save Marta. His plan worked as they found the detonator around Hawk's neck and used the remote control device to shut off all the power in the Casino area. They escaped their prison and confronted Hawk where Tenebrae swallowed the detonator. Hawk proceeds to get in their way of escaping, but the group manages to defeat him. Just then, Commander Brute, Marta's father, confronted them. Knowing that they couldn't defeat him, they escaped from the casino only for Regal to declare that he would hold him off for as long as possible. He then gets captured.

Reawakened Memories
Regal isn't seen until Emil and the group confronts Brute one last time. Brute threatens to kill him unless they hand over all the cores they had with them. This plan backfires when Lloyd interferes and saves Regal. After the group defeats Brute, Regal had to stay behind to heal his injuries.

Eternal Bond
Regal informs Emil that Richter Abend and the Vanguard soldiers loyal to him have gone to the Otherworldly Gate and rejoins them to chase after and defeat Richter at the Ginnungagap. After Emil sealed away his Ratatosk personality, and the group splits up before the final battle, Regal checks out the situation in Izoold, which has improved since the Nazdrovie was defeated and informs Emil to reflect and says that he was kind to Emil because emil treated him with kindness and virtue. After the final battle with Richter, Regal says goodbye and leaves the Ginnungagap.

Pretty Nice huh? Marta's involvement, since there's more, is gonna be a lot longer.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 13:50, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yup
That's exactly where I got them. I'll add the summary or delete them. Shame though. You really liked Alvin's Xillia 2 status image. But how do I delete images from the wiki?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 18:50, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Only Mayu can delete images. You can use the function that enables you to upload a new version of the file and then provide the image's source on the summary. --Juan Ma (talk) 19:00, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

But where is the summary for the image?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:36, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

It's the "Edit Summary" box. I provided an example earlier with an image of Dhaos. Moviebaby (talk) 23:35, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

You like it?
You like the Xillia 2 Alvin Status Image pic? I'm flattered. If you make a gallery for your user page, you can put it in there.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:12, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much.
I just wanted to thank you for your help. You showed me how to put sources in the summary box and I'm sorry you had to re-tweak the Alvin, Leia and Rowen pages. But I guess Mayu will have to get rid of the pictures of Ludger, Elle and Milla, since we have no use for them. At least until Xillia 2 comes out. And it's not the same Milla, rather a different one, though she looks just like her. Shame really.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:20, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

The pics were from Namco Bandai?! I don't believe it. What have I done? Go ahead Mayu, delete them. Before that I'd like to say something: Namco Bandai if you are checking this site out I'm sorry, I didn't know they were your pictures I should have asked you guys for permission first.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:41, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

LOL Winxfan, I'm not sure you understand. You provided valid sources, so we have the right to use them. Namco Bandai doesn't care in the least, and they are certainly not checking this site. My point was that since they are property of Namco Bandai, no other person can claim copyright infringement when we use Tales-related images. Did you think these images just appeared out of thin air? Of course they're from the company. Do you understand...? Moviebaby (talk) 15:23, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Now I understand. Thank you for showing me how to put sources in for pictures. But I think I will leave picture posting up to Juan Ma until the time comes to put up articles for Ludger, Elle, and the Xillia 2 version of Milla. We should call that one Milla (Xillia 2) To differentiate between Milla and Milla Maxwell, even though they look so much like each other. I'll just continue with the Monster Ally data. I'll keep in touch.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:41, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm...
I've kinda been thinking about this for a while and I would like you to hear me out. Since Xillia 2 is coming out in November, should we swap the pics in the info boxes of Jude, Leia, Elise, Alvin and Rowen with their Xillia 2 official art or keep the infobox pictures as they are?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 12:10, September 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Images should always show the characters as they appear in their original games. Do you want KING GAR(R)'S GLORIOUS MANLY GOATEE as the infobox image of Woodrow's page? I know I do, but does it show him in the original context in which he was introduced to the series? Obviously not. Exceptions would be if the characters are different persons in each game, like the Triplenonos and Pwotagoneests in RadiMai, or Frio/Kyaro in NariDan 2/3, and obviously the exception exists since they would get different pages anyway! Same might go for the new Milla, depending on what the game reveals of her status and role, and we will not make assumptions by creating new pages prematurely. In fact, stop trying to support the creation of new pages because we have so many crap pages that need to be fleshed out before yet another crap page is added to our workload.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:31, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Mayu, for clearing that up.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:33, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Mizuho continued
When the Mizuho article was made was there a Dawn of the New World section? If not here's my interpretation: The village of Mizuho and its citizens make an appearance in Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. Presea took the new protagonists Emil Castagnier and Marta Lualdi here after an attack by Magnar. They are intercepted at the entrance by Oorochi who lets them inside after being told by Presea they knew Sheena, and he informs them that Raine and Genis are here as well. After explaining to them what happened in Altamira, Genis and Raine confirm about the revolts Magnar mentioned that are happening around the world with Raine implying that the revolts were to keep the royal army busy. They continued the conversation inside Elder Igaguri's house and they decide to keep Marta in Mizuho to prevent Ratatosk's Core from being used for the Mana Cannon. Emil and Marta counter by saying that they should head to Altamira and stop the Vanguard at the source.

After the conversation Emil talks to Marta about what will happen in Altamira. Marta has an argument with Emil about having to fight her own father and she becomes scared by that fact, but Emil gives her some of his courage and her resolve is now clear. Their conversation is interupted when the Vanguard comes to capture Marta, but she and Emil hold them off. During the fight, Emil talks to Marta about how they first met and that she had been running away from her father because she was scared about the tyrant he had become. After the Vanguard attack was repelled, and with Raine's approval, Emil and Marta join her, Genis and Presea in the battle for Altamira. When the party splits up, Emil encounters Sheena here. She tells him that since the Vanguard found the village She and the other villagers will be moving and when everything is settles the village will just disappear. She also asks Emil if, when he regains his powers as a Summon Spirit, she can make a pact with her, and if not, she can ask the people at the Elemental Research Laboratory in Meltokio to find another way.

Be honest. It's nice to get some feedback every once in a while. I'm on break from Monster data until I play DotNW again.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 11:33, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Thinking
I think it's time that we come up with articles for King Gaius and Musee. Accoring to Abyssal Chronicles, these two will be playable characters in Xillia 2, but you and Mayu knew that already, so that means there should be more info to start a legitimate article. We may as well come up with a Xillia 2 characters template, but all things must be in due time and I suppose we can wait until Xillia 1 is brought to America. I kinda wonder if these two will have their Mystic Artes? Not to mention their own artes and skill sets. Just a thought.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 03:34, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Ray Sonne
I found a pic of a Ray Sonne card or someone who looks like her. Here's the picture link:

http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/displayimage.php?album=559&pos=65

I have no idea who the girl in the card is but I was hoping you could. Please.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 20:44, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Rondoline E. Effenberg

Moviebaby (talk) 23:24, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much. BTW, I'm sure you notced the more crammed editing space. Much to get used to.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:43, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

I do
You can't just delete the Underground Ruins and Dynasty Ruins articles, especially if I hadn't edited or created them yet. And why delete the Camberto Caves and Cape Fortress info? It doesn't seem right.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 11:20, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Wrong. I can. Would you like to know why, Winxfan? Because this wiki will never improve with articles like that. Your writing skills consist of horrible, lower education "he said this and she did that" and unnecessary content. I no longer have the time to go through and fix everything that is wrong with your writing, seeing as how it would be easier for me or Mayu to write the articles ourselves. If at some point someone wishes to fix your writing, they can do so by searching the article history. Mayu will see my edits and why I proposed those pages for deletion. I'm standing by my decision, but it will be for her to decide whether or not to delete them. Moviebaby (talk) 19:29, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry Moviebaby, but I agree with with Winxfan1 on this. I also wanted to upload images of those places since they are worthy. Maybe Lake Sinoa Cave page should be deleted, but the other pages? If the grammar is the problem, why the article isn't considered a stub? At the very least it would motivate someone in the future to improve that page. --Juan Ma (talk) 19:40, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Juan, but Lake Sinoa Cave was important. It was when Emil first meet Marta, learned how to fight, made pacts, etc.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:59, October 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * From a story perspective, Lake Sinoa Cave might as well be integrated with Luin proper. It's not a location of a significant event, and being poked to death by Lloyd the Great's Sword Rains isn't significant tbh. Besides, all of these articles may as well be written from scratch instead of relying on whatever [adjectivally] base writing already existed. Granted, they aren't single-sentence articles so they could have been modified to follow the correct formatting instead of having a content purge, but I don't mind either way. This way it's clear that this wiki has no info of value on those topics, plain and simple.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:50, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Like I said, the content is still in the article history. If I or anyone else finds the time to modify the content properly, we will do so. However, I want to make it clear that I've grown tired of playing janitor (Mayu version 2.0). Cleaning an article requires effort that I sometimes don't have or care to give. Moviebaby (talk) 00:46, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Fine. But when someone gets off their butt to fix this stuff they'd better be dedicated to this wiki for life.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 20:38, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

How about you just go learn to write properly so I don't have to worry about such things. Don't start a war with me, Winxfan. You won't win. I am BUSY, as are many others, and I have contributed a fair amount to this wiki, so I don't want to hear such rants from you about dedication. Moviebaby (talk) 00:51, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

You misunderstand. By someone I don't mean you, or Mayu or anyone else. I mean a newbie with tons of experience writing articles like these.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 14:17, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Need help?
I just restarted my Vesperia after a mishap with my Xbox live profile. Need any help? I'm at the part where Yuri and Estelle make it outside to the Nobles Quarter. And got some good plot for the first part of Zaphias.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 07:38, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't need any help, and to answer your question below: I'm playing the English Xbox 360 version.

Moviebaby (talk) 23:37, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

I have the Xbox version too. I guess that's fair. I'd probably do something stupid like put in spoilers. I was just hoping we could collaborate on a Vesperia project that covers all things Vesperia, that's all. So, how far have you gotten? I'm about to enter Halure. This may be personal but am I a hinderance to this wiki? Because no one at Pokemon Wikia and Winx Wikia seems to think so.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:56, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

While your minor edits don't bother me, I grow increasingly agitated discovering articles you have written in the past that require intensive fixing in order to be presentable, particularly content pertaining to Dawn of the New World. I have no clue what Winx is, but the Pokemon Wiki is nothing but a cheap version of Bulbapedia. Their policies are not as strict because the standards are not as high. Moviebaby (talk) 00:05, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear that my minor edits don't bother you. I fixed up some arte pages that were otherwise blank, though Mayu made them better. By articles I wrote you mean the Presa article and the Zaphias article as well as my Dawn of the New World info. If you're interested, this is winx wiki: www.winx.wikia.com. And thanks for clearing some of this up.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:36, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Zaphias
Hello. I've been thinking, since you're gonna be playing Tales of Vesperia (Before we go any further, is it the Xbox bersion or the PS3 version?) just to get some info, I was thinking we could work together on it. Since there's already a location template, we should incorporate that in the Vesperia Locations. In fact, I think I'll get started on the Zaphias Article. I'll send you a copy via preview. And a small update, I'm about to enter Halure. We'll here's hoping to our mutual collaboration on Vesperia.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 17:07, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Update: I'm finished: Zaphias, the Imperial Capital, is the largest city in all of Terce Lumires located on the south of Ilyccia in Tales of Vesperia. It serves as the starting point for the adventure of Yuri Lowell, Repede his trusted sidekick, and Estellise Sidos Heurassein, whom Yuri nicknames Estelle. The city is described as the largest city in the world. A strictly hierarchical society with a vacant royal throne.

The Broken Blastia
All was peaceful in the capital until one day a mage steals the core of the Aque Blastia in the lower quarter. Suddenly, the blastia begins to gush out water and the lower quarter starts to flood. Yuri Lowell, a local resident, hears from a young boy named Ted about the situation and decides to investigate the mage who broke the blastia after hearing that the person responsible was a Mr. Mordio who was living in the royal quarter. He managed to find the theif but he slipped away, though he did leave behind the valuables the residents used to pay for the repairs which Yuri picked up. On the way out he had the unfortunate luck of running into Adecor and Boccos of the Schwann Brigade while the thief escapes. He then engages the two in a mock battle reminding them of the basics of combat such as attacking and performing Artes. After Yuri emerges victorious he is caught by the Cumore Brigade and was put under arrest. Yuri surrendered after seeing Repede run with the stolen goods from the lower quarter residents being returned to their rightful owners. Inside his jail cell, Yuri was talking to An old man in the cell next to him about the events that transpired. The old man was seen by Yuri leaving his jail cell with Alexei Dinoia, the head captain of the imperial knights. The old man then spoke to Yuri about a goddess statue in the palace before departing and left Yuri a gift, the key to his prison cell, which he uses to escape.

Just as Yuri was about to make his escape, he finds a young lady being harassed by a pair of knights and comes to her rescue. After the knights were beaten Yuri agrees to help the young lady find his old acquaintance Flynn Scifo. While exploring Flynn's room they are soon met by an assassin by the name of Zagi who had the intention of killing Flynn but ran into Yuri instead. When the fighting was done, Zagi had to pull out but told Yuri that they will meet again. It was after this that the young lady introduced herself as Estellise and with a hearty handshake, the two continued on. The scuffle did not go unnoticed as LeBlanc, the lieutenant of the Schwann Brigade caught on to Yuri's actions. Yuri and Estellise then go on to her room to change into appropriate travelling attire. Yuri was rather shocked to see her wear an outfit that will make her even more noticable, but decides to accept it. Yuri then offers her a hi-five, which was another sign of friendship and Estellise accepts that. The two proceed to the statue, which Yuri pulls from one side, to reveal a hidden passage which was used by the royal family in case of emergencies and decide to sneak out of the castle that way. Estellise notices Yuri's wound and heals it, and Yuri notices Estellise's Blastia and after exchanging words, the two go down into the sewers. After defeating two groups of monsters in battle, they proceed and come outside the mansion, noticing that it was morning already.

Before leaving to find Mordio, Yuri and Estellise head to the lower quarter to see how the situation was. Yuri was releived that the water stopped gushing but without the core the residents of the lower quarter would be out of water. Just as Yuri and Estellise were about to leave LeBlanc tries to catch them, only to be stopped by Hanks and the residents of the lower quarter. Yuri was given a map, food and supplies from the residents as a sort of goodbye present and soon he, Estellise, whom she decided to call Estelle and Repede began their journey.

Toxic Aer
Upon returning to Zaphias after Estell was captured by Alexei, Yuri, along with Karol Capell, Rita Mordio, Raven, Repede and Judith find all of Zaphias covered in giant plants and stronger versions of otherwise weak monsters. To escape from the contaminated aer, the party heads to the castle. Inside, Yuri is relieved find the residents of the lower quarter safe from harm thanks to the Schwann Brigade, now calling themselves the Raven Brigade. Upon nearing the top the party comes across Khroma who wishes for the party to stop Alexei. At the top of the castle they find Alexei and Estelle, who was now in a trance after being consumed by despair. Alexei unexpectedly frees Estelle at Yuri's request, however she attacks the party due to her power enduced transe and they have no choice but to fight her. During the battle Alexei uses Estelle's power to cause the Shrine of Zaude to rise from the depths of the ocean and leaves. Before he could be stopped by Yuri, Estelle blocks his way and fights him one on one. After the battle, Yuri tries once more to reach out to Estelle and succeeds, causing her to regain her consciousness and self and restore Zaphias. The celebration was cut short as without Alexei her powers went berserk. But the party stops this by combining their strength to keep her power in check. In the aftermath Yuri explains to Flynn that Alexei was heading to Zaude so the party goes to stop him with Estelle included.

Adephagos
After the defeat of the former commandant of the knights,Yuri finds himself awake in his room and finds Duke Pantarei entering to reclaim Dein Nomos and leaves. Yuri then runs into Estelle and the two try to find a way to keep her power from depeting aer with Rita's help. In the end, it was decided that Estelle's friend Ioder becomes the new emperor to establish peace.

Trivia

 * The Zaphias Sewers are described as Passages located under the castle. Entry is prohibited. A place infested with rats.
 * Estelle is the subject matter of two secret missions, both of which are carried out in Zaphias.
 * The first mission is to protect her from Zagi's relentless attacks.
 * The second mission is to save her by using the Mother's Memento key item.

What do you think? Too detailed, did I not follow protocol right? It has to be perfect before it gets published.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 18:33, October 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Reminder. Focus on pages that already exist, and flesh them out with full detail before considering any possible new pages. Leave most red links as red links, unless redirects can cause them to link to a relevant page. I won't even read your Zaphias attempt, and I know Moviebaby will do the same, and I encourage anyone who will ever start the article to write it from scratch without contaminating their text with your writings. And finally, -stop spamming ANYONE's talk page with your text blocks-. I don't want to see it, and since I monitor -everything- on this wiki, I will see it no matter where you place it. Use your own computer, save it on your desktop or something, so that we can still pretend it doesn't exist. And then we can make our own pages with our own efforts on our own time, far better than what you have ever been able to manage, -after- the existing pages have been dealt with once and for all.


 * inb4 'waaaaah ayumayu is so meeeean to meeeeee' and 'mind your own business since this discussion is between two people' nonsense. As a talk page, it is accessible to anyone who reads it, and anyone can comment at will. And I actually have an obligation to do so as the admin of the site, since you fail to follow our priorities and requirements time and time again. And this is in spite of all the examples I have provided for Eternia in the past month in showing as much detail as possible when it is relevant to the topic at hand. I know you still pretend I am treating you badly, and this fantasy of yours is baffling when my choice not to ban someone, especially someone like you who deserves it twenty times over, is already me being nice to that person. Conversely, I think -you- are the one treating the entire wiki badly by simply being here.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:48, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Vesperia Coliseum chatter
In Vesperia, did you know that there is dialogue between a player character and his/her opponent in the 100-man melee battle. The pairings are as thus: Yuri vs. Flynn - a friendly comversation. Karol vs. Nan - There were actually two of these, both of which Nan taunts Karol. Raven vs. Droite and Gauche - The twins want revenge for Yeager and talk about how Raven was the cause. Judith and Tison - Tison wants revenge for not killing Ba'ul. I'm surprised Estelle and Rita don't have any enemies they can relate too. Sorry this was just something I needed to talk about.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:12, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'm fully aware. Moviebaby (talk) 17:23, October 27, 2012 (UTC)