User talk:Mayu Miyuki


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Edits
Thank you for adjusting my edits and letting me know why or why not they were necessary. A lot of times I will edit a page merely for grammar/punctuation/wording and nothing else (like with some of the pages you adjusted - I changed no information). Thanks again for your hard work. Moviebaby 18:37, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Template, please?
I thought I'd bring it upon myself to edit the Tales of Legendia Recipe page as well, but I don't know anything about making templates or bar graphs to put all the information in. I tried taking the ToV template and editing it to fit the ToL recipes, but I failed pretty miserably. So I'm requesting that you can send me a template to use for ToL recipes. It's important to note that the bread in the game doesn't have to be made by any characters specifically. You just bake the bread out of battle.

Update on the latest Tales stuffs
As stated by our affiliates on Abyssal Chronicles and elsewhere, demos have been released for both Innocence Rotten and for that silly Tales Musou game. The final release of Innocence R is also being released today as well, meaning this demo is just for people who are unsure about actually buying the game. But it is the same demo from TGS last year, so there is no extra effort that truly needs to be put into recording that data since we already have most pages completed for this version of the game. What we do need are completed pages for everything that exists in the final release of this same game. Remember that since this is a radically different version of the game, it deserves its own set of pages, so nothing should be added to the existing pages for the original DS version of Innocence.

As for the Musou game, again, we should have a set of pages for anything that is relevant to what exists in the demo, while a separate set will be created upon final release. The info for this demo and the final Innocence R game will be posted soon enough on the usual venues, and I will try to get started on them on Sunday if I have time and access to the net.

And apparently, there is a message included within Innocence R itself which states that another "reimagination" of a different Tales game is already underway. One of the producers within Namdai states that Innocence R will not be the only game on the Vita, so this is probably the next thing that Namdai is about to throw up for the sake of continuing the neverending Tales Cycle. Speculation abounds, so I suggest you see the official Namco Tales Forums to read and join that discussion if you care.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:36, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

About the News
Should we edit the news at the Main Page??

--OfficialTalesOf61 13:07, February 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, because this wiki is not a blog. I should just convert the news section on the main page to an RSS feed of Abby's website at Abyssal Chronicles because the news section is just a waste of space, as it always was since way back when it was started. Besides, my interest in keeping the news section updated at all died when Wikia Central forced its "Wikia New Look" garbage skin on us while removing our option of disabling it, since our content does not display as intended on the new skin, and I will not cater to something that I do not support in the first place. If the news section suffers because of it, blame Wikia Central, because they deserve it - even the main page was designed for the Monaco skin which I never really supported either, and the only skin we do support is Monobook, though the only way to see this wiki the way it should be seen is to edit your own user preferences manually to use Monobook instead of this "Wikia New Look" nonsense.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:16, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for not deleting Tales of Gekijou, when the game Tales of the Heroes: Twin Brave is released, maybe I can get information about the page.

Also thanks for the tip about creating a page! I'll keep in touch.

--OfficialTalesOf61 03:23, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

About my recent edits
I apologize for my ignorantly made edits. My only intention was to provide American viewers of the Wiki who are not familiar with the metric system a conversion of the characters' heights and weights that they could easily understand. I was not aware of the Tales Channel and TalesRPG websites' existences, nor that official conversions, whether or not incorrect, were the ones that had to be used.

In regards to the notes made, like Innes's weight being her claim and Repede's height including his tail, that information was obtained directly from the Japanese Wikipedia pages for their games. You can check them yourself for proof. I understand not including Sophie's age, but Innes's weight is a claim, not her real weight, and Repede's height does include his tail. I would think that important to include.

Nevertheless, I again apologize for the edits. I did read the "Manual of Style" page before making these edits, but it mentioned nothing about how the height/weight issue should be handled, so if I may suggest adding a little section so that no one else is confused in the future, it would be appreciated.

Regards, Arfaige 21:26, February 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know it wasn't on the MoS, and I'll add that in when I get around to updating that page more. I looked at the official Japanese websites for that same information, and they do have the same notes. But I must warn you that you should not take information from any Wikipedia page, Japanese or not, because they can be altered even in the most minor of ways which cannot easily be fixed without a thorough examination of the changes. The official sites exist for us to gather information from, and data taken from these original sources is less likely to be altered by change of hands, the same reason that third-party resources are not favorable in an academic setting if first-party sources exist. In other words, I don't care if Wikipedia JP has this info or not, but since the official websites do have this info, I will find a way to insert those comments by avoiding parentheses.


 * And it seems like the Tales Channel domain has been suspended already, likely due to the merger of Tales Studio into Bandai Namco Games proper. The official websites are now accessible through this page, which is hardly as intuitive as Teichan had been, but hey, it's Namdai JP. All of my hatred. At least the url addresses of each individual game's website remains unchanged so the links on our pages don't have to be modified.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:03, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, this link doesn't work? Lanate (talk) 03:29, February 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Huh, okay nevermind. I was going by how it no longer shows up on Google search results, and clearly that English "Tales Channel" shown in the results is just a fansite. But yeah, NTS is no longer an independent company now that it has been integrated into Namdai JP, so I wouldn't doubt that many changes are bound to occur as the mother company solidifies its throttle-grip on what remains of NTS. Blahblahblah Tales Cycle etc.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 06:51, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Welcome
Oh, wow, sorry to leave such a late reply. You're welcome, I'll keep trying to add more info to Aselia! Thank you for the welcome. --Zeno101200 23:06, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Some questions
The other day, I created the page for the ToS:DotNW Grade Shop. I was waiting on you to edit it again to add anything or fix any errors, but since Arfaige's numerous edits, I wouldn't be surprised if my edit got knocked down the page. IF it's not too much trouble, I think you should take a look at the page I edited and add anything that suits your fancy.

And about a month or two ago, I left a message asking if you could help me create a template for the Bread Recipes in Tales of Legendia. Since you only need to know the recipe name, ingredients, and location, I tried to copy ToV's Recipe template and edit it to fit my needs, but I do not know how. I would appreciate it if you could help me make a template that would fit ToL's recipe system.

Thank you for your time.

PS: When exactly do you think the TotW:RM Monster Book will be edited again? Are we going with Lanate's system, and are Japanese names gonna be added eventually?


 * Things will happen when they happen. You have to realize that some of us are rather busy with other things that have nothing to do with this wiki, and priorities will always come first. I already looked at that page you created and don't really care enough to fix everything I see fit, since everything is more or less okay the way it is. Although I still insist that copied descriptions from the game are not as good as text written with consistency with the rest of our content on similar pages. The Legendia recipes outline (not template, templates are a different concept in wiki-speak) will be made when I feel like doing it, since again I don't really care to worry about it at the moment. The RadiMai monster book stuffs is up to whoever wants to edit it, probably not me since the primary flaws have already been removed, and the JP names will be added whenever someone gets around to doing it.


 * Basically, don't be pushy about things being done. If you think you can do something, go ahead and do it as long as it doesn't end up as a stub or filler page. Any fixes will be made as others see fit, and I focus on all of the vital things and will edit them as soon as I see them. Beyond that, I tend to let others pick up after what I leave behind while I focus on my own things. After all, we need to get the Innocence R(otten) arte pages up rather soon, and the second demo for Tales Musou has been released just yesterday. We're rather behind on what we need to do, but I blame Namdai JP for everything based on the concept I refer to as the Tales Cycle. You can search for that phrase on official forums for more info about it and why it is such a bad thing.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 06:38, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

English voice actors
If you can't list voice actors for a character without a legit source, no matter how obvious the voice actor may seem, then why do some characters, such as Luke and Emil, have English voice actors listed for them even if they aren't credited in the games they're in? Did the actors themselves confirm their roles?


 * If there is no source for any character from a game that is not Symphonia, then the name really should be removed until a first-party source is provided. For instance, with Luke and Emil, they are not exempt from having accurately cited voice actor names. And in the absence of that, the names that are currently provided should be removed until a source -is- provided. This extends to every character, again excepting the games which do have full voice actor credits like Symphonia, and also those in which the voices remain the same in localization like Destiny PSX... though in this case the "English" voice actor name should be omitted anyway. There are no exceptions otherwise.


 * If you do see any page which does not follow this criteria, you must either remove the voice actor name from the page or add a relevant source, such as confirmations by those voice actors or the groups they are affiliated with that they did voice the given roles. Any such failures in consistency that we have at the present time are due to lack of oversight since pages generally have far worse problems to worry about than this, and I'd rather go through the pages to filter out garbage text like speculation and conversational speech when I see them. I don't remember every single problem that needs to be modified every time, which is why many of our pages are in a perpetual status of suck.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:11, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Why was my picture change for Martel Yggdrasil reverted? I think there should be a picture of her form as Mithos' sister somewhere on the site because she does look different from Goddess Martel. Maybe in another place on the page? It is important to me that people understand that Goddess Martel is /not/ the same as sister-Martel. When Martel was Mithos' sister she looked different than she does at the end of the game when she becomes Goddess-Martel. Please let me know. Thanks.

TillyMunson 00:23, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

My apologies for adding Graces's English voice actors without references... I didn't know about that. Would help if the game would actually credit the actors... I'll ask them in person at conventions and then record their answers with a video that I'll post on YT in order to get a good reference if textual ones are nowhere to be found. BTW people, YouTube has a truckload of panel videos, maybe we can use that as references. I don't know about you, but if a voice actor says "I did the voice of this character", I can't think of any better reference for the site.

Anyway, those are the names that people think that are the voice actors for Graces:
 * Asbel: Bryce Papenbrook (sounds a lot like Zidane in Dissidia: Final Fantasy)
 * Sophie: Cassandra Morris (sounds a lot like Gust from Hyperdimension Neptunia)
 * Hubert: Steve Staley (sounds a lot like Neiji Ryuga from Naruto)
 * Cheria has been confirmed and referenced as Laura Bailey
 * Malik: Jamieson Price (sounds a lot like Iron Tager from BlazBlue)
 * Pascal: Kate Higgins (sounds a lot like Sakura Haruno from Naruto)
 * Richard: David Vincent (sounds a lot like Jin Kisaragi from BlazBlue)

If we can confirm or unconfirm with videos or interviews that the following actors did work on Graces, that would be good for the site. The names are only leads BTW, based on sound, vocal range and rumors... However, if anyone managed to ask them if they worked on the game and filmed them during a panel to then upload it on YT, then it should be enough.

WebJiCi 19:33, March 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, videos are fine as references if the person is saying on camera that he/she voiced the role. It's the most direct means of sourcing a voice actor name, to be sure. As long as there are no embedded videos on any page, I don't have any issue with using videos as sources, though anything along the lines of personal statements by the voice actors on their own websites or blogs will also suffice.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:44, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Once Graces f is released in English...
This thread from the Tales forums will surely be beneficial in the task to add all the English arte names:

http://tales.namco.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=91335


 * Derp? I am a frequent user on the TSF, and I am one of those who contribute regularly, even with the arte lists themselves, on those very forums. I even provide in-depth analyses of certain things, ranging from arte history to the dreaded Tales Cycle, which earns me quite a reputation on the forums, not necessarily a good one but who cares. I know what's on the forums. And I, for one, am glad that the Graces localization thread was finally -removed- from the Tales Series Discussion section where I frequent most, and I think that thread deserves to be burninated for being filled with garbage like speculation for the sake of speculation, discussions just to "keep the thread alive" on a forum that barely moves at a fast pace at all, and overall extend hype for an announcement of a game that was announced literally 13 months ago, far too early and too long to be worth the hype itself.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 04:44, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I kinda already knew you browsed the forums. I'm just giving you a head ups for a helpful tool in the future.

Thanks and Sorry
Hey there. Thanks for not deleting Tales of the Heroes: Twin Brave page. I'm sorry for being such a dick until this time. FYI, I'm not American or British, so I'm sorry if my grammar isn't good. I appreciate your edits in that page. Can't complaint, but you're right about few things. I do not play Tales of Vesperia, or anything related to PS3, XBOX, or Wii. I only watched the whole walkthrough from YouTube, and I conclude all the story, the character's characteristic, etc. I may not the biggest Tales of fan ever, but thanks again. :D

Graces stuff
There is a stream for Graces being played right now here. It is currently at the part after the timeskip where Asbel returns to the Lhant mansion. I'm taking down arte names and such, though there is a running list on the TSF already. Really though, I don't like making changes to the pages unless we have most of the info, since I don't like mixing up Japanese and English arte names as the bolded/linked names. It's inconsistent. But we do need to make changes as soon as possible to allow our pages to be up to date, since any inaction will lead to misguided and false edits by others.

I really wanted Yuri Lowenthall to voice Asbel for the Haseozaku references. ;_;

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:50, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Eh, I wouldn't want Lowenthal for Asbel. It'd be weird since he already played Luke and Asch. Then again, that didn't stop Namco from casting Cheria and Hubert with actors who have already played controllable Tales chars, and Malik's actor played two major villains already. I'm glad Asbel was someone new. Bryce Papenbrook is doing good so far.

And in all honesty, casting characters based on previous performances or cameo costumes is pretty silly.

In any case, good luck with the arte names and such. Don't forget all the item name changes and location name changes too. For example, Baronia is now Barona, Duarise is now Dualize, Arles Pot is now Eleth Mixer, etc.


 * The Suzaku and Haseo/Ovan costumes exist specifically because they are voiced by the same people in the JP version. With Malik and Ovan's English voice actor being matched (based on ear and without cited source, mind you), and Suzaku and Haseo also being matched in English, Asbel's new voice actor actually dismantles the effect which was partially deliberate in Japanese casting roles, or at least it would be hard to believe that it -isn't- deliberate. If you see that as silly, then you can blame Namdai JP for making the original JP voice matches and costume choices in the first place. I blame them for a whole lot more than just this, after all.


 * But I'm also the one who supports having Kohaku/Amber being voiced by the one who voiced Kohaku in Tsukihime, and if Hisui ever gets a voiced role in any game, he should also be voiced by Kohaku's sister Hisui in the same anime. Yes, sister. I don't care what anyone else says, but the fact that Kohaku and Hisui being siblings with specifically these names represents a continuation of the many Nasuverse references in Tales, alongside Shi(ng)ki, Rubiagelita, Iriasviel, and Roa. (I'm joking, these things are obviously coincidences, but I still prefer to think of them as deliberate as my primary argument in supporting the change of Kohak's name to Kohaku rather than Amber lol.)


 * Nah, realistically, I could care less about who voices the characters as long as it is not a complete mismatch of voice and personality. I trust in the localization process. I don't trust in Namdai JP, however, and I hate them for everything they did to the series since 2007 in bringing the full momentum of the Tales Cycle to where it is now.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:00, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

So is Kohak's character page gonna be renamed "Amber", or will it only be changed if Tales of Hearts ever becomes localized? I think Amber is a better name anyway.


 * Hi. I'm pretty new to editing, but I've noticed that there are several differences in requirements to get nicknames between the Wii version and the PS3 version. Would I need to list down my references if I want to state the requirements on the PS3 version? Also, I'm playing the Japanese version, so I'm not sure if the English version follows the Wii's requirements.


 * Revyielle 07:37, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Um wow, don't sign comments using my name and links. >_>;; Just type the four tildes (" ~ ") and the wiki will sign for you automagically.


 * As for the differences between versions, obviously we are already aware of such things, and we have a very specific method of signifying such things on these pages. Believe it or not, all of the title pages are currently being converted to follow this setup and include all localized text wherever it is relevant. Be patient and wait for these changes to come about, which I expect to take another week or two at minimum to reach a standardized and acceptable status; I only started working on the changes to Hubert's title page this morning. Of course, this is on top of all of the other changes which we have been making to other pages, and no one has started to touch up the weapon pages. In fact, I fear what might happen to the weapon pages if someone gets to them first, since I still have to finish cleaning up the mess that was made on the Grade Shop page earlier today. So I'd appreciate if more edits were focused on contributing to story details (and not mere single-sentence commentary or unfounded speculation) for characters and other content-type pages, rather than messing with list-type pages which are for people who know what they're doing, at least until most of the formatting issues are out of the way so the common people can add whatever is necessary without breaking the page somehow.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:01, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I doubt I can contribute much though, since -
 * I don't know what are the localized names for the locations etc.
 * The future arc doesn't appear to be a Japan-exclusive content.
 * I pretty much suck at story-writing *cough* I meant summarizing. x.x


 * Revyielle 13:16, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Question about article name change
Hi, what's your reason for changing the Chlorseraph and Clinoseraph pages to Chroa-seraph and Chrino-seraph? Like most of the characters in Tales of Hearts, their names are based off of minerals. And as the trivia note says, their names come from the minerals clinochlore and seraphite. Therefore, the spellings of Clinoseraph and Chlorseraph make the most sense. I also see no reason for the hyphens since there are no hyphens in their names when written in katakana so why would there be when romanized?

Unless you've got concrete proof that they're supposed to be written Chroa-seraph and Chrino-seraph (like an artbook scan with the names written as such?) I think this edit is wholly unjustified.

--Commandant 11:56, March 16, 2012 (UTC)Commandant


 * It's not like I enjoy these names either, but we will always go with whatever has been made official in materials that have been published under Namdai JP's discretion, only to be overridden by any names established by localized media. Thus it is perfectly justified, and in fact our original names were the ones which were never justified to begin with. That doesn't make these official names likeable by any means though - I think "Grafyte" looks stupid, Corundum's name became hyper-unintelligible, and yeah, the mineral references became more obscured. In any case, enjoy reading the thread and what people think the rationale is for having these names as is. You are at liberty to bump the thread with a request for scans from the book, or you can buy the book itself, but I can assure you that no one in the thread who has the book itself is lying about these officially rendered names.


 * For the record, I actually forgot to make these name changes when the thread was being discussed. I even posted in it regarding Julio and Caro from NariDan 2/3. I only remembered now to make these changes to the Hearts character names due to the localization of Kohak[u] and Hisui's names to Amber and Jadeite, and it's a chance to make sweeping edits all at once instead of incrementally, which I truly oppose in most other situations.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:58, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * AH I see. Those Hearts romanizations are all pretty... unfortunate. But I guess if that's the only way they've officially been romanized then there's nothing for it. Are those localized names for Kohak and Hisui from Graces? I thought only Kohak had a cameo in it.


 * --Commandant 13:32, March 16, 2012 (UTC)Commandant


 * Yes these names are from Graces. Many character names are being localized for the first time through the Magic Carta minigame which is part of Graces itself. Basically, it's a minigame involving cards which are found hidden throughout the entire game, to be used in a minigame in which the player must match a voiced quote with the character who said it in his/her original game. The character names are written in the card descriptions, and the cards themselves show characters from throughout the entire series. So "Amber" exists as both a cameo character and a card, while "Jadeite" is just the card.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:43, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * AH ok. I literally just ordered Graces so I haven't had a chance to play it yet. I guess I can live with Amber, but Jadeite is quite possibly one of the worst localized names I've ever seen. I'm assuming they went with Jadeite instead of just Jade to avoid confusion with ToA Jade, but if they wanted to avoid that I don't see why they didn't just leave it as Kohak and Hisui?? Are any of the other party members of ToH in this minigame or just those two?


 * --Commandant 13:51, March 16, 2012 (UTC)Commandant


 * Yeah lol, I would have been okay with Jaden maybe (but Shing looks more like Jaden down to the duel disk he carries on his arm), but Jadeite makes him seem like a Sailor Moon character. But then, so is Kunzite. Anyway, the minigame has all playable chars from all of the main games (plus the Swordians in Destiny), along with Emil/Marta, Caius/Rubia, and Dio/Mell. People are still searching for the cards to find out if any other names have been changed, and so far the Destiny chars remain with their current names (which means we still have Garr/Bruiser/Karyl). Shing's name remains unchanged too. I will be making changes when I learn about them.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:08, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hi and sorry
Hi Am new to this so sorry for messing up some pages I will try My best to help thought. in whatever way I can. So I hope I can get along. P.S I realize that the this wiki dosen t have a Chat Room. Why is That? just asking. GuyAsbelKnight


 * Chatrooms are a terribad idea which should have never been implemented by Wikia Central. I oppose turning this wiki into a social website with blog nonsense and other such garbage, when the purpose of such things is already made redundant when talk pages such as -this- page exist for discussions. In fact, my hatred for Wikia's changes goes so deep that I openly suggest that any new users should immediately go into their preferences and change their skin to Monobook and -not- Wikia New Look, since the newer skin utterly destroys many aspects of our formatting due to the fixed width of the content area which does not exist in Monobook. Besides, the simplicity of the original MediaWiki/Wikipedia skin is better and easier to navigate than excess frills and countless other useless features which cater to the social networking crowd.


 * If community chatrooms are really needed, that's what the official Namco Tales Forums are for. We don't need anything like that here beyond the talk pages for project coordination.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:10, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Okay I understand your cause Thank you for telling I will Help support the wiki in anyway GuyAsbelKnight

Can I Ask you something?
You seem to have a lot of trouble with people who edit pages that don't fit with your approval. But how are we supposed to know whether our edits will always meet with your approval or not? And then you chastise people for editing pages in ways you didn't like even though they probably couldn't have known what your demands were.

I'm one of those people. I'm really sorry that my recent edits have been an inconvenience for you. I'm new to this sort of thing. I haven't even read any FAQs or guidelines for editing pages. I'll read them and I promise from now on when I edit pages, I'll try my best to only edit the parts I should and not cause any huge problems.

But I also think you should be more patient with Wiki editors. I know some people can be stupid, but you don't have to yell or type in all caps to get your point across. I think if you calmly explain what they did wrong and redirect them to the guidelines or an FAQ, they'll be able to learn easier and this wiki will surely get better.


 * ...right, sorry. But most of everything is in the Manual of Style, and if not, then comparisons with existing pages are sufficient. Using basic unformatted tables to create new lists of stuff is tantamount to garbage, as was the page I deleted earlier from one new user. And most things on a page, if they already exist with associated data and numbers, often would exist for a reason and not to seem like a duplication of information, like the stuff you deleted on Sophie's title page, which, as the entry numbers should have indicated to you, are precisely how those titles are sorted in the Wii version of the game. In any case, I am an angry person, and the internet just happens to be a convenient way to relieve stress (by causing more of it, awkwardly enough) so that I don't spontaneously collapse into tears in real life. But I hate blogging, so I'll leave it at that.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:13, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

You kind of said the same thing to me, didn't you? I didn't know about anything like that and I was only trying to help. Sorry if I did not meet your "SATISFACTION". --ReshiramArc1255 22:40, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

ToG Template
 Tales of Graces Characters Data Weapons Swords • Gauntlets • Dualblades • Daggers Bladerangs • Shotstaffs • Rapiers Equipment Plates • Robes • Clothing Scabbards • Anklets • Frames • Ribbons Colognes • Scarves • Cloaks Accessories • Attachments Other Tools • Materials • Food • Recipes • Manuscripts • Valuables • Magic Carta Remodeling • Quality • Equipment Skills • Mastery Skills Discovery Points • Trophies • Strategy • Monster Book • Grade Shop I've basically finished the Unique (Characteristic in JP) Equipment pages for every one; the only thing that's missing is proper categories, and some resell rates which don't matter. I'm thinking the new template would look like this, except Cloaks redirects to the current Robes page currently, and I'm not 100% sure if Malik's equipment is called Cologne or Perfume. I've also moved Rapiers' position to match the Collector's Book order, and added Attachments since they appear in the PS3 version, but I think there's only three or four that are non-DLC. I'll let you decide how it should be edited so I don't break anything.

JoeTang 15:58, April 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks okay to me. I deleted the redirect so that the new page can be created with that same name.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:33, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

TotH:TB Artes
I will fix the pages as fast as I can. --J944004 03:02, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

A Small Question
Yo. I was wondering if I can add some anime cutscene pictures to some article? Of course they are related to the section. I won't add them in the gallery though. Just look at Senel Coolidge page to see what I mean.


 * Do you plan to add sources for the images in the "Summary" section when you upload them? More importantly, do you even have sources other than screenshots from Youtube, which should never be used under any circumstances due to copyright violation? If the answer is no to either question, then my own answer is self-explanatory.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:59, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yup, that's what I'm planning. I want to put some screenshots in the Summary section. I think that maybe if we give some pictures, people who never played the game, or want to but cannot, will feel better while reading it. Sometimes it's boring if we just read it. I do have other sources. If not, I'll just have to go and find one. I'll figure a way somehow. --GamerGirlzPS2 21:19, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Where then?
I'm sorry, I'm trying to contact Tara Sands to get the accurate info of stuff from DotNW, along witht the correct characters she voiced in Pokemon. And I'm sure Funimation itself might be a reliable source. Here:

http://www.funimation.com/tales-of-vesperia/forum/funimation-shows/and-more/tales-of-vesperia/tales-of-vesperia-dub-cast

Straight from the horses mouth. Is that reliable or what?

Looks like they also got dibs on Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Rebirth. And though it's irrelevant they got Record of Lodoss War too.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:35, April 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * You might want to look up what "straight from the horse's mouth" means.


 * http://www.funimation.com/rojas/blog/tales-of-vesperia-cast-announcement/2873151


 * This is your reliable source which is a first party news announcement, not some copy paste inside a discussion forum or a news aggregate.


 * JoeTang 01:41, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

One of two favors.
Hello. Sorry to bother you but I need a table for all the manuscripts found in Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. There are two types of these: The first type is for Artes used like I think it was Sylph's Circle... When it's equipped to a monster it learns the arte Healing Circle. The other are what I call the "Colored Manuscripts" because each colored manuscript raises a monster's EXP by a certain amount. The best one was the Rainbow Manuscript which increases a monsters EXP by a whopping 100,000 points. The problem is the giant Poliwigles have it and they only appear sometimes in Gladsheim. I think I remember the colors of the other manuscripts: Grey, Yellow, White, Scarlet, Azure, Purple, Silver, Peach and Gold. The thing is I have to backtrack again to see how much each is worth, where to find them and the like.

Anyway, what did you think of the source for the Tales Of Vesperia First Strike info. I got it straight from the Funimation site itself.

I'll tell you the other favor I need in time.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 15:16, April 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Joe expressed my very same thoughts perfectly. There is nothing else to add on that issue, other than how I cannot see any content on Funimation's website due to this message: Thank you for your interest. Unfortunately, this site is not available in your country.


 * As for this table that you seem to want me to make for you... I'll do it on my own time. Not only am I busy with irl, I still have to deal with some internet problems which prevent me from being online on any long-term basis. Any terms to be used for separating the two types of manuscripts will come directly from the game. We will not invent terms like "colored manuscripts" out of nowhere; it must currently exist in some resource. If there is no term to differentiate these two types of items, then all table content will just be grouped together, no problem. And seeing how you want me to make a table outline for the page, no that is not how things are done here. If I am tasked to do a page, I will complete it on my own and in full upon the first edit with data compiled through Japanese sources, which takes less time than doing original research from the game proper, -especially- if that process is gradual since any publishing of awkwardly incomplete data (sans data points like selling prices which few sources ever have listed anyway) is cause for deletion.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:05, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

I see. Oh I almost forgot. There was another set of Grimoires called Messages. These grant monsters Abilities they don't normally have. Possibly at Level 2 like P. ATK 2 or P. DEF 2. Things like that. All you have to do is figure out the table format. I'll take care of the rest. And I apologize for any incovenience and the whole VA's thing. Just one thing, do you have an E-mail account and access to [tarasands.com]? That's kinda the second favor.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:56, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

P. S. Sorry you can't access Funimation from your end. Also, consider this a gift:



for your side.

Supporting chars
K no prob I just saw some red links there already so figured people were adding them.

Do you think a list page could be better? Sort of like how the minor Oresoren chars are all collected onto a single page? Like Ed and Isabella are red links, they are both listed as the Bantam Bouncers so maybe a page for the BB that they're be on?

Unfortunately I doubt there's enough content to make a Senel-like page, but combining minor chars' descriptions together could help make it bigger. +y@talk 00:44, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Insect Class is done.
Aside from the Strike Arte japanese names and romanji, the Insect Class artes and skills are done. Just finished the Spider Family. It was the last one. And it wasn't easy to do. I'll leave the rest to you.

I know that you have your way of doing things but I'm just not sure how the tables will go. At the very least the types of Grimories shuld have their tables color coded in this order:

A table for healing grimories should be light gray, the chart for attack arte grimories should be dark grey, the chart for Skill grimories should be green and the chart for EXP grimories should be red.

I'm on another ToS:DotNW playthrough. I'll update the info as I go. Like what levels Monsters return to their base forms at.

Plus, the whole Magnar thing was from my memory. and who knows, maybe he was the only surviving member of the Vanguard.

Once again, I apologize. I always consult with you first since you're more of an expert than me. I just seek guidance on how to do things right. You should be thanking me for my help at the very least. And it's not like I want to cause trouble for you. Maybe if you give me a project to work on, I'll stick with it. Like the Monsters Artes and Skills that haven't been done yet. I'll work on the Chirpee family next. But this time I'll work it on Notepad. But the skills might take some finding. But the new skill the Bird Class gets an ability not yet posted yet: VS Insect. They are birds after all.

So anyway, I really hope we can be friends.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 04:40, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Tales of Innocence R Arte Users
I know how much you enjoy seeing my name, but I'm here to ask if there's any reason not to add arte users from Innocence R on the wiki's arte pages.

I'm prepared to visit every arte page from each character and add them as a user, but I'm sure you would like me to first confirm that you have no objections against me doing so.

LGT (talk) 18:09, April 16, 2012 (PST)


 * Since you're going to do this anyway, go for it. You're not going to do anything other than these pages which are better left forgotten anyway. Innocence Rotten counts as a new game, so it should be listed as such. To stay consistent with the other portmakes and enhanced reports, you should format entries so that the title is displayed as:


 * Tales of Innocence R (VITA) - blahblahblah


 * For that matter, if you're going through all of these pages anyway, please add the junk that was compiled here and here and here. (Wow, thank you MediaWiki for adding that link suggestion dropdown box, otherwise I couldn't remember any of these page names, even my own.) Also try to add the names that Kaji used for his most recent patches for NariDan 2 and 3, as well as Throughhim's patch for Innocence DS, if you have the time and resources to do so. Also add descriptions etc., if you can. Follow the usual format for everything that you are going to add; I won't bother to review the pages anymore other than a few random spotchecks.


 * And furthermore, there was a category modification which I mentioned on some talk page a long time ago which would be relevant to fix at this same time as well, but I don't remember all of the details right now and I think I need to re-review that change before really putting it into effect, since it relates to wiki infrastructure after all. Avoid formatting pages using collapsibles the way it is on Demon Fang right now for the same reason - I need to recall what it was I was intending to accomplish with these things.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:20, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Here's a small obstacle for me.

In Ricardo's arte list, he has two artes named "Gatling Evil" and "Break Shoot." Am I to assume that these are both borrowed from Pascal (and am free to add their English names), or because of the lack of Kanji, are we to assume that they are all separate artes like Cheria's and Rowen's Requiems?

LGT (talk) 07:13, April 20, 2012 (PST)


 * Yeah ew, I noticed this before. Due to the lack of kanji, yes they have to be separated as different artes. I'm sure the devs meant them to be the same artes but they chose the wrong names, basing it on whatever is voiced rather than written in the menus. Then again the localized Graces does something similar with T. Blade and T. Strike and other names as listed in the menu, which is why I have to bend the rules of officializing stuff that is written in the menus for the sake of things like this.


 * I may have to make exemptions for Ricardo's (and Rowen's) artes, which means I have to rethink our entire policy, but in the meantime, just refer to them as unique artes which are in reference to the ones which existed prior.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:35, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Here's the last you'll be hearing from me for a while.

During the final battle of Radiant Mythology 3, Lazaris is able to create multiple "ラザリス幹官"s that cast spells while he fights physically. So far, the Ground Dasher page is the only page that I've come across in which it is necessary to list the ラザリス幹官 as a user.

I took the easy route and named it a "Lazaris Trunk," but I'll let you give me a better name that you would like to see on each arte page.

LGT (talk) 17:03, April 30, 2012 (PST)


 * Meh, I can't think of anything better, other than not translating the name in the first place. I'd rather not invent translated names unless it is in quotes on a monster list, and this is not one of those pages. But hell if I know if the kanji is read as 'kankan' or what... Kotobank isn't helping.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:16, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Chirpee Family Done
I just finished the Artes and Skills of the Chirpee family, and it wasn't easy going back and forth between skill sets The hard part was since VS. Insect wasn't made yet I had to make it myself. And I have no idea what Whistle, Snowfall or Battle Cry do. I did the huge part. Next I'll have to make the Artes and Skills of the Tortoise Family for the VS. Beast, then the Slime family for the VS. Magical Being, the Gremlin family for VS. Dragon, The Fire Drake family for VS. Free Form, Zombie Family for VS. Demon and Clay Golem for the VS. Ghost family.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:55, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you're going to leave "Info" in areas where you don't know what something does, then stop making pages. This is no better than filler pages, which I strictly forbid, and this page is now a candidate for deletion unless info can be inserted as needed or the nested row in which you put "Info" is deleted. Not every arte is supposed to have an effect, and it is erroneous to assume that something exists... and then leave glaring blanks for such "Info" which shouldn't be there. I'd rather have the entire page not be there, but you know that already since I told you to stop making pages in the first place. But as I suspected, you won't stop anyway, and while it does hurt me to repeat it for the n'th time, I'm already a very broken person as it is. The pages that you made already have to be fixed first, before moving on to whatever is next. For that matter, priorities have to come first before whatever is next. And like everything else, I also said this before, but stop informing me about your progress reports. I don't care, and this isn't a blog. I see the Recent Changes page, and I observe every single edit that every single person makes here unless I choose to turn a blind eye to certain edits. I can never do that with you, sadly enough.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:19, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't exactly know the romanji for Vs. Insect 1, Vs. Insect 2 or Vs. Insect 3. So just give me a list of what needs to be done and I'll try to get it done for you. And I had to go back and forth between skill sets to find the ones that went with the Chirpee family. That was hard considering not all skill sets were done and not all monsters have the same skill sets. I'm already playing ToS:DotNW for the fourth time and I'll try to get the info needed for the Strike Arts of the Chirpee Family. And like I said I'm not trying to cause trouble.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 11:03, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Holy **** why are you screwing around with incremental edits again? 16 edits to one page in x number of hours, half of them removing just four or so instances of  instead of all of them at once? Whatever happened to using the "Preview" button instead of committing an edit which is obviously broken, and doing that so many times? Do you still not realize that I look at every single edit you and others make in order to fulfill my lowly and disgusting janitor duties, and this just adds to my effort?


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:45, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Edit - I don't see how hard the pages could be (time-consuming, sure, which is why I don't bother doing them) if you actually make use of the Japanese resources that exist, which already have the same info compiled and usually a lot more than what individual spontaneous research can accomplish. Again, it's an overlap of effort, the same effort which could have been used to just translate material and post locally it using our formatting requirements. Granted, this only really helps if you know enough Japanese to navigate the pages and translate the material enough to know what is what, even if you don't know what the kanji/kana actually says. But you are just basing everything on what presently exists on other pages, which is inefficient no matter how you look at it, when you could have gone to one of the JP wiki sites that exist and find everything you need to know without even touching the game - I know I won't be playing DotNW ever again.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:52, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Which is why you should leave all DotNW projects to me. I can help. Just one thing, one of your sources for Japanese Texts no longer exists.

I'm trying using the Google Translator to convert it from English to Japanese, but something's wrong. What kind of Japanese text did you use for the charts? Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:28, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Edit: I think I got it now. I used the translator and got this: 対昆虫族 Tai konchū-zoku Thank you Google Translator, and you of course boss. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:42, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I might as well add something to this conversation and give out these words of advice. Do not use Google Translator, it is extremely unreliable and hardly translates anything correctly. --Zolo Miphares 04:58, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

And allow me to add something to this conversation: I did the entire Chirpee thing on Wordpad before I handed it in. But how could you... then again it did translate the last character to tribe. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:52, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Allow me to tell you that your role in this conversation is none. I am telling you what to do: nothing. I hereby deny you the satisfaction of completing this page - I have done everything myself as soon as I had the displeasure of seeing this single letter, ū, on my talk page. Did you never read the translation guidelines ALSO on the Manual of Style? No, this is the last straw of dozens of last straws. Diacritics make me sick. The entire page has been corrected per the requirements I have stated time and time again.


 * You claim that the JP resource listed on the page is a dead link. Well then, just -why- did you keep the link there if it leads to a source that doesn't exist? That means you aren't even using the sources that are there. Each page should have the reference data updated on an as-needed basis, with the "retrieved on" date changed every time a new page is created (unless it's an in-bulk page creation process which rarely happens unless I get one of my sudden bursts of inspiration, or bursts of rage as it is these days). I have therefore updated the link to a web archive of that site since the real site has ceased to exist, maybe because the people managing it also hate DotNW, I dunno.


 * The process of fixing the code for this page was really repetitive, and it is not one that I want to repeat for these existing pages. I also made some new changes which really needed to be put into being, all part of my "do everything all at once" mentality. Some of these problems are not your fault actually, rather they are things I never caught or paid attention to since I was turning a blind eye to such things until such a time that I would go through and change other things at the same time anyway.




 * Oh what. What the fuck. Oh you are not trying to do something like this. The edit I submitted had all details completed in full, including the proper Japanese names for each arte and skill based on data established on the source that I am using, which is listed on the page. When I submitted that edit, the MediaWiki software informed me of an edit conflict, which I happily ignored since I knew my edit would supercede yours in every way possible. But since I am the wiki janitor around here, I decided to look at what you changed. It makes me want to claw out my eyes from my face. Are you seriously inventing Japanese names for the artes by inputting them into some web translator? Do you even realize the gravity of what you are doing? YOU WILL NOT INVENT THINGS OUT OF THIN AIR. EVERYTHING MUST BE GATHERED FROM VERIFIABLE AND CITED SOURCES AT ALL TIMES, AND JAPANESE NAMES FOR EVERYTHING MUST MATCH THE CONTENT THAT EXISTS IN THE JAPANESE VERSION OF THE GAMES THEMSELVES. I don't even begin to understand what prompted you to think it is a good idea to invent Japanese names, something which you stayed safely away from for all this time.


 * No, that's it, get out. I would rather never see an edit from you again. Every single thing that you do here makes things worse, and as this one page has shown, I can do the entire thing alone and somehow make the code seem as if it was never defiled by your hands.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:48, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

But what about the Monster Ally guide? You still need me to know what levels the final form monsters need to de-evolve back to their basic forms. You know what? The guys at Pokemon Wiki and Winx Wiki are a lot nicer than you. I won't leave this wiki and you can't make me!

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:19, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

You realize that if you treat users too harshly, people can report you as an abusive administrator. Administrators actually have no more power over other users and IPs, simply just a few more tools to work with. The purpose of administrators is to maintain the wikias, not to form monarchies.

I apologize if this sounds like criticism, but this is actually just a reminder to please not abuse your rights. Block me if you want, but I can still contact the Wikia Staff if I find that you're abusing your administrator rights. This user simply did not understand your policies, there's no reason to curse at and harass him.--Thenewguy34 21:47, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes that's right, and never once have I used my administrative powers for anything other than banning vandals and bots. That is the one and only reason that I have admin powers, since the previously existing admin did very little to curb those past situations, and it's a pain to request for help from the Wikia VSTF staff with the time pressure involved when bots are making malicious edits which I cannot do anything about other than revert them as they happened. In one of the previous years, I had to singlehandedly undo literally hundreds of edits, if not thousands, while they were being created in the very same process, before one of the VSTF people finally blocked the IP of that bot x hours later. This very situation was what led to me requesting admin powers, because the entire ordeal was a headache to deal with.


 * If you review past comments from my archived talk pages linked at the top of this page, you will note that I have always acted this way, and in fact the admin powers I now wield actually changed nothing because I can't really do much of anything with them to begin with. I consider myself to be the same as a normal user-- nay, I am less than a normal user. I am a janitor. I handle all of the filth and garbage because no one else would. So you need not think of this as power-tripping or abuse of rights. I would always act the same way whether or not I have powers, since such powers simply do not apply in cases where people who think they are doing good things but decidedly ARE NOT are ruining various aspects of our pages.


 * In the case of Winxfan above, please review the entirety of her talk page and note MY descent into madness. I tried to be gentle and supportive at first, I really did (in relative terms to my norm, at least). I told her everything she was doing wrong, how to do things, where to go to see how everything should be done in no uncertain terms. But she ignores everything I say not once, but almost EVERY time, forcing me to fix everything in such a way that it would seem like she never touched the pages to begin with. And if that's the case, then I'd rather have it so people like this -do- never touch the pages. I won't ban people over things like this - I encourage their own self-imposed exile because I do not want to be pushed -to- abuse my powers. With all honesty, it feels that I have been TOO tolerant to situations like this, and enough was enough 20 enoughs ago.


 * In any case, I may be an authoritative bitch, but I do value free speech and arguments. Again, I won't ban you for saying your piece. You're not a bot or vandal. I'm just naturally abrasive and prone to anger. Insert your own assumptions about my situation irl here if you wish, since I will admit that the online world is the means through which I relieve a great deal of stress, ironically by causing more of it as my role in this very wiki shows.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:32, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Why are users who have disabled e-mails from wikia not permitted to editing this wikia? Also, why are IPs blocked as well? I really don't understand why e-mails could affect my editing. --Thenewguy34 17:19, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * There may be some instances where emails and IPs were used in the past by users who have spammed or vandalized the wiki. In at least one case, the user had a dynamic IP and so I was forced to block an entire IP range to prevent the user from continuing, due to ban evasion. If you or others got caught up in this IP range block, then that is cause for apology to be sure, but the range will have to remain blocked since the spam tends to start up again not long after the ban duration is completed. The same situation may have occurred if you are merely assigned the same IP by your internet provider with one that was banned directly in the past; if you have a dynamic IP capability, just turn off your modem/router for at least 20 seconds before turning them on again. Then again, this is how IP blocks are bypassed in the first place, other than using proxies, which is why ranged blocks have been put in place, but I think I have only done that once, and renewed it once for that matter.


 * As for emails, it's the same situation, though I do not understand why you would be personally affected by an email block when such emails are tied globally to Wikia user accounts. Or perhaps you're talking about the "autoconfirm" setting which, if I remember correctly, requires user emails to be confirmed. I believe this was one option that the VSTF people turned on at my request, since I couldn't make the change, I don't remember anymore.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:32, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Monster Book be re-named to the Enemy Book?
It's called the Enemy Book in Graces, so that's probably what they're gonna call it from now on.

I think it makes more sense, too, imo. Not all of the enemies in the games are "monsters" per se, so "enemy book" is more broad.

Then again, regarding the names of the book, Namco is inconsistent. They called it the Enemy Book in RM and Graces only, I believe. Every other game is Monster Book. Maybe we should only change the name of the pages from Monster to Enemy for RM and Graces then? Or should all the pages say "enemy book"?


 * I do like "Enemy Book" better, since as you say, it's more broad and includes members of sentient races who oppose the party. But this has to be done on a per-game basis, such that every localized game will have whatever term is used in that game. Any unlocalized game, however, should use the most recent term as it always is, provided the game uses the same JP term of "Monster Zukan" (and iirc this is used in every game anyway so it wouldn't be an issue). Remember that we have to be internally consistent with each game's pages, which is why the localized arte names for those games are linked and bolded, and most recent terms are merely noted in parentheses and not really used anywhere else, as it applies within that given game. It's the pages which apply to all games univerally (individual arte pages, general terms, character names) which use the most recent localized names as the page titles, so that any article which explains the concept of the "Enemy Book" will be named as such... not that there should be a page for this in the first place. I'll make the appropriate changes on each template later today after researching it a bit more.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:13, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hello Mayu Miyuki, me, Krazyfilmer123;I need to tell you something.I know that you forbid me to continue making not-so connected pages, but please don't call my pages "retarded" like you just said;I am actually 10 years old,I am a child.Please don't say that I said this so you could leave me alone,I am NOT LYING about my age.Again,I repeat that I am NOT LYING about my age.And please don't block me because it's just not fair to block me just because I said this to you and also just because you're a Janitor.If you want to talk back with me,please don't use foul language because this could lead to an argument against you and me.I am not being angry at you or upset,just saying.

Hello Mayu Miyuki,it is me,Krazyfilmer123 again. Just a friendly reminder that I recommend that you should rid of a great amount of your annoyance and anger.You know that anyone could block you even though you are a admin,right?It's always important to get rid of your annoyance and anger because anyone could get you into serious trouble.If you block me,I will still contact Wiki.I already know someone else said this,but just to remind you that you need to stop being angry because also anyone else can start an argument with.I'm not trying to annoy you, I'm giving you a friendly warning.

Hi.It is me, Krazyfilmer123 and I know that i'm starting to become the Annoying Orange here,but I want to ask you a friendly question.Despite you said that you are filled with annoyance and anger,but also you said that we still have to remember that you love us all.Do you really mean from your heart that you love us all, or are you just filled hypocrisy? (meaning pretending to be good.)This is not to get you angry.


 * Age is irrelevant on the internet, just like gender and orientation and religion and political preferences and everything else. Simply mentioning any of these in places where it is not warranted is just to seek for attention, whether it's true or not, which is why such claims should never be taken seriously on the internet. I never said I was going to block you, or anyone else for that matter unless the user in question is a bot or vandal. I have repeated this, and you clearly read the same words, but apparently you don't understand the concept that people can be vindictive and irritable without having to use one's powers for the wrong purpose. I do not ban people based on dissent. Therefore, your "warning" is unwarranted because I will continue to act as I always do. As for loving everyone, well, it applies if you are reasonable enough to understand what the rules and priorities are and then follow them. Are you? That user page of mine was written yeeeears ago, when I was in a better state of mind prior to all sorts of **** that happened, online and offline, but it doesn't change how you are misusing the word hypocrisy in the wrong context.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:14, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Well,I was wrong in saying to get rid of your annoyance,it's your habit anyway.


 * Yeah, and it's a sad thing too, that it became such a habit. It's well past time for me to retire from this wiki because it gives me no joy to be hounding everyone over the things I must, not to mention how I disliked the continued propagation of the Tales series ever since the Tales Cycle started rolling in full force in 2007. But I know that once I'm gone, the bad things will only become compounded because no one bothers to keep a tight watch on everything and actually fix them. After all, I'm the one who is certain to do precisely that, a week later if need be, especially during those times my internet connection is down. I am a slave to this wiki, the lowest position possible, and being an "admin" really means I get the worst job of holding up the weight of the whole site, the dreaded upside-down pyramid concept. My attitude is merely a consequence of this fact. And it was like this even before I gained that label of "admin", so the label itself and its powers are meaningless unless bots and vandals are involved.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:12, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Question
When are you going to retire from the Aselia Wiki?


 * Did you read what I said above? I will retire when I die. If I ever disappear, you can probably assume that I got run over by a car or something. Until then, I have no choice but to continue here because I cannot rest for as long as people continue to trash this wiki with pages with little to no content, or other badly-written contributions.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:09, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

You should train some proteges or something who can monitor this wiki in your absence or when (or if) you decide to leave. Joetang or Lanate seem pretty reliable to me.

Tales of Festival page
It's been a while. Anyway, I wanted to ask you something. About Tales of Festival page, does it have to be edited like the other Tales series's pages? Because I wanted to edit it. I have found tons of information about it, but I'm confused whether or not my edit will be right or not. Also, Tales of Festival is an annual event, so what should I write on that page? Thanks.

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 20:54, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I looked at the existing page for that thing, and it turns out it was never deleted. Looking at the edit history, it was created as spam (the first edit was a single letter 'm', the second edit was me putting a deletion request since this was before I had admin powers, the third edit was vandalism, the fourth edit was me reverting that vandalism). So rather than allowing the page to continue to exist, I have deleted it as it should have been three years ago. Anyway, I do not encourage you to create a new page if you can use that same effort to flesh out other existing pages which need more detail and information. If, for some absurd reason, you do want to recreate this page, it must be the equivalent of a full essay, at least comparable to articles dedicated to characters or terms in the games. If you cannot manage that, then you simply should not bother with creating the page. Articles with few sentences which state the obvious, or articles with sections that amount to those same few sentences which state the obvious, are never wanted here.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:43, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

What are we gonna do with the ToG Magic Carta page?
Is it just gonna be a list of all the carta cards in the game, or will it include the prizes you can get from the game, as well as from the guy in the Zavhert port?

I might compile a list of the cards myself, but I' m not sure whether to include the secondary quotes as well as the primary ones. I also don't know what number Amber's card is in the Wii version since for some reason it's in the 60's in the PS3 version, even though all other cards past 50 are PS3 exclusive. I might not have all the information needed to make a carta list.

Have you seen this...?
<--This. Don't really know what to say. Apparently, he's been disregarding everything you tell him? I'm weirded out by his profile. Moviebaby 04:04, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Weird. But I must admit, if he really is ten years old, he's pretty literate.


 * It's not against the rules, so I don't really care. The userpages are for personal use as long as they aren't used to link to illegal materials or whatever.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:23, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

You're right. Just shared it for a little laugh. Moviebaby 04:04, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Helpful Edits
Just like to thank you for editing my Supreme Elements page. I forgot about the redundant terms I mentioned over and over. But, thanks.

水のウォーリー 12:00, May 4, 2012 (UTC)水のウォーリー

Thank you!
Thank you for correcting my pages and pointing out the necessities. I do still have got a lot to learn about editing this wikia and I promise to be more careful in the future! Sorry for having caused you troubles.

Kazenokasa 14:06, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Tara Sands Roles
I am right about Tara being Seles Wilder, and Verius. I heard it with my own ears. Maybe if you compared The voices of those two with say someone like Tiara's shadow from Shamanic Princess or Tiara herself you'll see I'm right. There's no need to be so official about it. We don't really need sources to prove anything. But I just wanted to get it siraight from Tara herself. A lot of people seem to not know the fact about a few of the characters she voiced. For example, Tara was Bianca in the movie Pokemon Heroes, not Lisa Ortiz. Look at the Pokemon Wiki and Winx Wiki. They don't need sources and they're fine.

The reason I asked Moviebaby to send Tara the email was because for some strange reason my Microsoft Outlook doesn't work, so I can't send it myself.

Anyway, you could be a little more friendly to everyone. You don't have to be a bully. And another thing, I'm a guy.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:18, May 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Asking for valid sources is being a bully? I'm just gonna NOPE you and continue on with my day. I don't give a damn about the policies of other wiki sites, but on this one, sources are required and any attempt to subvert this will undermine the status of this wiki as a reliable resource. If you think your ears are a source, then leave this wiki already and contribute to GameFAQs or IMDB or whatever else where your assumptions which are little more than lies can be welcomed with open arms. Remember, this wiki forbids speculation, and this applies to everything without exception. Now kindly don't mention this garbage of yours to me again until you have legitimate sources. A blog post is not one of those, so your edits on Rita and Raven's pages are going to be reverted in 3, 2, 1...


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:26, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well I have a better idea, why don't YOU quit altogether?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:48, May 15, 2012 (UTC)