User talk:Arosia

Ange's mystic arte
Thanks. By the way, someone should put up information about Ange's Mystic Arte, Houyoku Shitenshou. Also, Absolute Zero called it as "Soaring Phoenix". Owyn-Ross (talk) 23:39, February 28, 2015 (UTC)Owyn Hammersley

Whenever someone finds the time to do it properly, he or she is more than welcome to.

Arosia (talk) 00:54, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Apology
I'm sorry. It's that I'm still learning.

No need to apologize, but don't resort to spamming talk pages to have others make these changes for you. It's not difficult to format the localized names.

Arosia (talk) 05:51, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

A little help
I'm sorry to bother you, but how do I put in "Edited the Section:"? Owyn-Ross (talk) 05:54, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

You don't. The wiki generates that when you edit a specific section of an article, as opposed to the entire page.

Arosia (talk) 05:55, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for your help. I guess I wasn't paying attention. Sorry. Owyn-Ross (talk) 05:57, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

Teepo and Rollo
I think we might need information about Teepo and Rollo, so they won't be stubs.

Yes, we do need information on them, but unless someone takes the time to provide it, we're not going to create pages for them.

Arosia (talk) 18:48, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Neither of us could do it, since I'm a novice, and you've got your hands full.

Owyn Hammersley 19:14, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

Peridot Harmotome and Pyrox Ferro
Maybe we need information about Peridot and Pyrox from Tales of Hearts as well. --Owyn Hammersley 11:33, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

I'm well aware what pages we lack. Stop spamming my talk page.

Arosia (talk) 01:44, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

OK. I'm sorry if I asked too much.

Owyn Hammersley 13:19, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

What's new?
How's everything during my absence? Owyn Hammersley 03:16, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

I told you before not to spam my talk page.

Arosia (talk) 21:14, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Apology
Sorry about the grammar mistakes I had made. I'm on the ipad, and for some reason, whenever I use the wiki and edit things, my spelling gets messed up before I realize it. Again, I apologize for making you work on my mistakes.

I accept your apology. And, I'm sorry, I was just asking how much has been going on.

@Omegaxis1: No worries.

@Owyn-Ross: That was Omegaxis's comment, not mine, and he was talking to me, not you.

Please, everyone, remember to sign your posts.

Arosia (talk) 00:02, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Random
hi there this will probably be really awkward so I apologize but I see that tales of the abyss is also your favorite tales game and that is awesome --KibouNiKaware (talk) 14:34, March 26, 2015 (UTC)tobias

It's the best of the ones I've played and definitely my favorite, yes.

Arosia (talk) 22:57, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Natalia's voice actor
Hello there! I noticed on Natalia's page her English voice actor is unlisted. I am pretty sure it is Stephanie Sheh, sourced from IMDb and Wikipedia. Don't exactly know how to add that in which is embarrassing :(

While it may very well be Stephanie Sheh, we no longer list English voice actors unless the source is of a more credible nature. IMDb and Wikipedia are not entirely reliable. Many of our English voice actor citations derive from the voice actors themselves on various media or official personal sites, so those means may be your best bet at verifying Natalia's voice actor.

Arosia (talk) 03:35, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Locations
While I understand the location project involves merging pages, why are they being deleted as opposed to being made redirects? Lanate (talk) 01:01, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

Because no one has been helping me or giving me feedback on this project. I was going to follow the ToP location examples and simply use the hashtag method, but now I realize this could be tedious. I'll create them as redirects.

Arosia (talk) 01:14, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry. The ToZ arte pages look great, by the way.

Arosia (talk) 19:22, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

Please tell me what you think so far. I realize that a lot of content is being cut and will continue to be cut with this project, but I'm looking at the overall picture. This will drastically cut down on the number of red links on the wiki (locations were the guiltiest of this), and it will be so much easier to creation location compilation pages in the future. I feel it's a necessary sacrifice. The majority of these History sections in the existing location articles are "they go here, do this, say that" plot summary type stuff, which I feel is largely unnecessary for these locations. A few plot elements are necessary, but not a retelling of the plot, which I feel belongs on the actual game pages. I want to stress the geographical significance of the locations. It's been a lot of work, but I'm pretty pleased so far. Here's what I have in mind now:


 * Tales of Phantasia - We have a good start, but I want more compilation to include everything.
 * Tales of Destiny - The Er'ther Lands page will be perfect for completing ToD and ToD2 locations.
 * Tales of Eternia - Pretty much a clean slate. Won't be difficult for someone who's played the game.
 * Tales of Destiny 2 - See above.
 * Tales of Symphonia - Christ. Look at the Sylvarant and Tethe'alla pages. They're dead and need some life. A lot of information will be cut, but I feel that the locations need to be included on those two pages. I'm actually pretty willing to do this because the ToS location pages are very old, and many are poorly written. I could really make the Sylvarant and Tethe'alla pages look nice, though.
 * Tales of Rebirth - Just leave it to me. I'm getting ready to play through the game again and will simply flesh out the existing Karegia page. There are no countries in this game.
 * Tales of Legendia - Ugh. I don't even know. The Legacy page has a pretty good start of what I hope to achieve.
 * Tales of the Abyss - Pretty much done. Pleased with the results. See Kimlasca and Malkuth.
 * Tales of Innocence - I don't even know, but a clean slate is good for this. No location template, though.
 * Tales of Vesperia - Also pretty much done. Terca Lumireis is long, but I think it's fine.
 * Tales of Hearts - I don't know, but you've played this game. Something can be figured out. I could create the page, but we don't even have a location template that I could refer to.
 * Tales of Graces - Embarrassing start. See Ephinea and Fodra. I have no idea what I'm doing.
 * Tales of Xillia - Holy fucking locations. I don't know what to do.
 * Tales of Xillia 2 - See above.
 * Tales of Zestiria - No worries yet, but shouldn't be bad once we have this new system going.

For escort titles, I'm not too worried. As you said somewhere, we can simply create a page for the world or something. I'm really liking how this is going so far, but holy shit, I hope there's not a limit on how many redirects a wiki can have. I doubt there is, but we will be gaining a lot more.

Arosia (talk) 23:57, May 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think it's a great start. We're never going to reach the same level of detail in the location pages as other video game wikis might, but I think it's all right with current interest/staffing levels. On the other hand, I'm always a little techy about discarding information though, but that's just personal bias since I just a lot of the effort on the Phantasia location pages.


 * As to the last comment, I've heard things explained like this: redirects are cheap. I really, really like them because piping links make things harder to find for specific terms. Lanate (talk) 04:22, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

I don't like the thought of cutting information either, and I see it as the only downside of this project. I haven't really looked at the ToP location pages yet, but I'm sure they will be fine for the most part. I'll try to preserve as much information as I can, or if you want to handle it, just let me know. I didn't feel bad about the ToV pages because Winxfan, and I don't think I'll feel bad about the ToS pages.

Arosia (talk) 04:32, May 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * I wish I had the time to go through them, but all I can think is that I wish there were more hours in a day, lol. I was going to tackle the Zestiria title pages next, since they're integral into understanding the arte learning system (basically, each title gives a certain number of speed/power/technique points when equipped at level up, and they evolve under certain conditions to confer bonuses). Then I was going to make arte pages for Reve Unita, since my guide came for that too. Lanate (talk) 04:49, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

In that case, don't worry about a thing. I'll handle the location project, and I'll be super careful with your ToP pages. =) Also, thanks for taking the time with all of that. You're an important asset to the wiki, Matthew Lanate. I hope to have more time to devote to the wiki this summer. I'm taking five classes right now in order to graduate this semester and receive my bachelor's degree. Summer couldn't come quickly enough.

Arosia (talk) 05:09, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

Taking a good look at those ToP location pages, I think they're actually fine the way they are now. You have enough well-written information in each one, so I don't think I'll have to do much work there. I probably will with the ToS and ToL pages though, seeing as how they're not nearly as nice.

Arosia (talk) 01:07, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Tales of Wiki
While looking at Tales of Wiki I noticed that few years ago (around 3) Mayu posted on a talk page of a last active user at the time of her post asking about merger of Tales of Wiki with Aselia. I must admit that I consider adopting that Wiki and make it a more detailed Wiki (I know it may sound like a task that will take at least three eternities to be completed), but after noticing that message Mayu sent I'd like to know your (and possibly Lanate's since he's a long timer from what I know) stance about it: wether if you don't mind me adopting that one Wiki or simply merging the two (although I'd really like to go with this futile task, I'm not even sure why OTL). Also, the message in question: link.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:23, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

First of all, there's nothing to merge. That wiki has no content. Second of all, I don't support any other English-language Tales wikis, as this wiki is the official English-language wiki of the series. Apart from the horribad Neoseeker one, there's nothing but dead wikis, including that awful Winxfan one, which I finally provided a link to our wiki on its home page. Third of all, if you do start editing on that wiki, which I strongly discourage, know that you are forbidden from plagiarizing ANY of our content, including text, images, tables, etc.

Arosia (talk) 21:45, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

I think that by "merger" Mayu meant that "talesof.wikia.com" would simply redirect to "aselia.wikia.com" since yeah, that Wiki is pretty dead.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 06:23, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Well, it apparently never happened, and I don't know how to get it done.

Arosia (talk) 16:54, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

I think you'd need to read this since I think that covers what we're talking about right now. I think that they won't oppose this "merger" since talesof.wikia.com is pretty much empty, except a few things.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:00, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

I'll handle it when I get home.

Arosia (talk) 22:49, May 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * I never followed up on it because we had are own problems on this site to deal with at that time, namely Winxfan. My intention was to show that this and the other duplicate Tales wiki sites on Wikia stay inactive for a prolonged period of time, as in zero edits whatsoever, to make a case for the Wikia Central admins to convert them into redirects to Aselia, which should remain as the only English language wiki for the series to prevent confusion, edit conflicts, and misinformation spread through lack of oversight/rules. It is better for efforts to be consolidated into one location, as in Aselia, than to have people go around making shadows of Aselia for no reason other than insulting the efforts of the users here. I never proceeded with merging this one since I was trying to make a batch request, and Winxfan proceeded to follow my links to one of the sites to dump his crap, resetting the time of inactivity of the sites... just like someone else just did on the one we are talking about now.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 00:06, May 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * "just like someone else just did on the one we are talking about now"
 * If you mean the recent edits on talesof.wikia.com then it is my doing for which I apologize since I first started doing some editting and then went into exploring the talk pages out of curiosity really. I think it's of little consequence since no one visits that Wiki anyway. If you want to have that Wiki redirect to Aselia then do as you wish; after all I'm a rather new fan to the series and I'm still learning the ways of this Wiki.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:22, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

I'll handle it, but it's not a priority.

Arosia (talk) 22:41, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Ideas for new pages
I wonder if it'd be a good addition to have an "Elements" page which would deal with how each game uses elements in their mechanics (I think we'd have game sections since doing element sections would be a bit "problematic" since not all games have elements in a traditional sense like Graces or don't use such element like ice and lightning like Xillias) and list-type articles for stats for each game.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:22, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like an interesting idea. I would sandbox a draft or something first.

Arosia (talk) 22:41, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

I just created a stats article for ToX: User:Kaimi/ToX - Stats Is this to your liking? Feel free to change the table's colour. Also, please bear in mind that I need to confirm the last point for Strength, Vitality, Intelligence, Psyche, Agility, and Dexterity since I wrote that from my memory and I'll need to open the game to confirm their effects. I can also do stat tables for ToS, ToG, and ToX2 since these are the games I own and have a decent idea how they work with the battle system. Elements will come at a later date if a desire will come.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:29, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to leave this one to Lanate since he's actually played the game and is more familiar with how tables should be.

Arosia (talk) 22:06, May 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Use the gray color scheme for tables on gameplay mechanics. But to be honest, this does not need its own unique page or even the table format. This is the kind of content that can be described in paragraph form in the game's own main article under "Battle Gameplay" (see MoS). In fact, all games should have something to this effect due to the different systems of each game, describing the way elements, status parameters (don't call them "stats", and use "knocked out" instead of "KOed"), and ailments/debuffs affect gameplay. These concepts can be designated into subsections of "Battle Gameplay".


 * With regard to your grade acquisition input on one of the Grade Shop pages, please do format it in the tabular format following the style of the Graces Grade Shop page.


 * On your "allusions", I find this to be mostly superfluous given how Tales games have a tendency to cross-reference past (and future!) games and other Namco/Bandai titles like iM@S, .hack, etc. Although there is a value to these pages, any kind of exhaustive list becomes 'more info than necessary', and I would want to have this content placed into the talk pages of each game rather than on a user workspace, both for accessibility and to prevent this content from being designated as pages of their own. This can be open to discussion but I don't want these stuck as a personal plaything.


 * For arte descriptions, please avoid rehashing what is already said for the general descriptions of each arte. Zestiria artes are not significantly different from the general executions, and any relevant differences can be noted in that first paragraph if they are really all that different from the other minor differences that every single game exhibits. I think every page you edited for this purpose needs to be fixed due to absurd levels of redundancy. Successive paragraphs are meant to describe alternative activation means or alterations to the artes themselves, which can vary in each game.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 22:48, May 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, that tabled data for stats or whatever can be helpful either way since it might be incorporated into the "Battle Gameplay" section of the game's main article like you said, it's just that the table will be used as a reference.


 * It appears that the grade acquisition thing was removed, although I'm not really sure why, but I won't argue.


 * Those allusions pages were mainly for my own entertainment, but also learning more about the series since I'm a newbie here so I think that's a good way to get some experience about it. Also, if these "allusions" would be put to game's talk pages just what would be a viable thing of an allusion. Personal plaything? Trust me, I don't just dump things into those "allusions" pages, I have experience with this kind of thing, if only through editing Final Fantasy Wiki.


 * Whoops those arte descriptions. I'll be more careful in the future.


 * —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:58, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

I've got a couple ideas of my own if anyone's interested.

1. A page that goes in depth on experience points in the series, with tables detailing the amount of EXP required to level up in each game, going from the initial level to max level. Here's an example from the Mabinogi wiki to show what I mean: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/EXP#Experience_Chart We could construct our tables similarly to theirs.

2. A page that defines all the requirements to obtain grade bonuses or lose grade in each game.

MabiEditor (talk) 23:44, May 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * 1. Are you willing to test every single game's experience thresholds per level up to lv999 in each version of Phantasia, lv200 in Destiny PS2, etc? Not even the JP wiki sites have tried to do that. Granted, it would be useful if stat progression per character per level is also included, but this is almost literally impossible for Destiny 2/Symphonia/Abyss/Graces due to their permanent stat modifier systems, unless you want to torture yourself with a challenge run with suboptimal stats up to max levels. Even Mabinogi can't do this for the exact same reason, permanent stat modifiers from skill rank-ups, age bonuses, food, and titles. (open beta to G3 NA/G6 JP player/Aura contributor says hi)  This effort is extraneous and better focused toward editing existing pages. Why are we talking about bad new page ideas anyway.


 * 2. No. They fit well enough on the page for the Grade Shop for each game, only if designed in table format to fit the style of the page. That is why I deleted all of those lists on the main page for Grade. This data does not belong there. In fact, I kinda want to re-delete that Symphonia grade acquisition stuff that was added because it was copy/pasted from what was once deleted, all spelling errors and phrasing failures included.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 01:31, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Rollo?
How do I add the formatted character information box with the image, game, hometown, etc. I think it would be funny to add it to my Rollo page...

Cretarily (talk) 05:58, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

For future reference, use the CharInfo template.

Arosia (talk) 20:13, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Wikia skin
My computer has a large screen, and I use the Wikia skin. Over night, the wiki screen seems to have shrunk and is now appearing in more of a tablet format. It appears this way on all wikis for me. Anyone else experiencing this problem?

Arosia (talk) 02:10, May 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * While I use the Monobook skin, I checked the Wikia/Oasis one and it doesn't look shrunk. Maybe it's a problem with your browser?


 * —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:01, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

I tried a different browser. Nothing changed, and it's driving me nuts.

Arosia (talk) 03:11, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Japanese names
Sorry, but can you double check the Japanese names you put? The katakana for most of the Sacred Beasts have all had two recurring errors: the small characters get put as regular sized (シャ vs. シヤ) and 'n' keeps getting replaced by 'so' (ン vs. ソ). Lanate (talk) 02:08, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

I'll just avoid it from now on.

Arosia (talk) 02:50, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

Granblue Fantasy
I'd like to know if it would be alright to post crossover images for Yuri Lowell, Sophie, and Milla Maxwell since there's a collaboration event of this series with Granblue Fantasy? I can get the images from Tumblr which are rips from the game itself, although I found this (however I am not an enthusiast of JPG format and watermarks; personal preference) and here's a teaser on Granblue Fantasy ' s website. I'm just not sure about some things and I prefer to check with you first. Still, I'll include proper sections for the three characters, or should that be covered only in Trivia (which I prefer not to since it's a character appearance and not a costume or something on similar level, like Magic Carta from Tales of Graces)?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:53, July 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * Are the images yours, as in taken by you at the event itself, or do you have the permission to use image content that the uploader added onto Tumblr? That site is no different from Pixiv or Danbooru/Gelbooru/***booru, and all standard image copyright rules apply no matter what corner of the internet the images come from, aside from JP wiki sites that use GPL/Creative Commons or similar licenses that require attribution, or direct-from-source images like main website stuffs. Watermarked anythings are refused outright.


 * Audrey Belrose is my spirit animal. (talk) 23:46, July 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * No, I don't have the permission, but I can ask the person(s) who ripped the files from the game for the permission since the files are kind of like skit images seen in Tales of Zestiria. From what I know, Granblue Fantasy can also be played on a browser so I or you could try getting some images, but my Japanese is pretty much non-existent so that could be problem. However, what about those sections for Granblue Fantasy? Individual ones in "Other Appearances" or just a mention in "Trivia"? Also, I don't know the extent of abilities used by the "cameo" characters but I know for certain that at least Milla's Elemental Mastery is in the game, if that might be a determing factor on how we consider this game in our coverage.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 11:08, July 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * The rule of thumb for "Other Apperances" is that they get a section for their cameo in another game if they have a story-related purpose for being in that game. Their artes are trivial at best, since even the Keroro frogs use Tales artes, and arguments can be made for Star Ocean's exceedingly similar attacks due to the history of Tale Phantasia... but let's not delve into this thought too much. Lloyd in SoulCalibur Legends is probably the most comprehensively integrated char in any non-Tales game (even though his motivation in that game is very much Lloyd-like), though Stahn/Rutee/Judas in Namco X Capcom and Yuri/Estelle/Flynn in Project X Zone may also have some degree of significance, as minor is it might be. I don't know since I haven't played those two games.


 * Basically, if you can write more than a few non-generic sentences for the topic, then it probably won't be trivia unless you're reading and projecting too much into how important they actually are in the game. If they are simply in the game for no reason aside from "lolcameo", then it's just trivia. (In relation to this, I'd like to point out that single-sentence sections that currently exist under "Other Appearances" likely should be moved to trivia, since it's clear that these chars have no actual role in the given story aside from that same lolcameo status, like most support artes in Hearts DS. Unless anyone objects, I guess?) Costumes like Anise/Estelle's clothes in one of the iM@S games, or Asbel/Malik's clothes for Haseo/Ovan in .hack//LINK, are trivia for sure. If it's too early to know how important they actually are, then just slow down and wait.


 * Audrey Belrose is my spirit animal. (talk) 13:11, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

Priorities, Kaimi. Priorities. Also, I agree that random cameo appearance that can be summarized in a sentence or two should be trivia, and anything related to costumes or accessory appearances should always be trivia.

Arosia (talk) 16:49, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

Phantasia must pay content
Hi there. Poking around old files on my Ipad I found screenshots from the extra content that Namco included for the IOs version for Tales of Phantasia. Those screenshots includes the item's image alongside their description as you can see here. I know you guys are busy dealing with the existing material (and most users never played the IOs version), but would you mind help me to organize the must-pay contents from the game? --a random Regular passing through (talk) 03:06, July 13, 2015 (UTC)

I forgot to mention it before. The screenshots only contains the item and the description, but not the cost. --a random Regular passing through (talk) 03:14, July 13, 2015 (UTC)

You're free to upload them since I know they're your own. I'll do what needs to be done from there.

Arosia (talk) 03:28, July 13, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response, the files are uploaded. I also added the Derris Emblem & Mint's earrings (not part of the extra content) and the moment when Arche is turned to stone by Arsia. With those images, every worthy content from the iOS version that I captured is uploaded on Aselia. Those items appears in this order: miracle orb, holy lamp and the exp. tomes organized from the lowest to highest tomes that grants exp. --a random Regular passing through (talk) 04:04, July 13, 2015 (UTC).

Thank you, Juan Ma.

Arosia (talk) 05:02, July 13, 2015 (UTC)

You know...
I hated this layout change at first, but now I'm really starting to like it. I'm starting to realize that the pages were a bit too stretched on larger screens, and this change helps me interpret what a page will look like on a different device without the hassle of comparing and adjusting. In other words, it's grown on me. Also, gallery change? Should we consider this? Post your thoughts here.

Arosia (talk) 00:30, July 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll let you and the others make the appropriate judgments here. I'm more of a relic of the past, just like the gallery system that we use, lol. I put the gallery template in place to try to replicate the functionality that was used before Wikia changed the built-in gallery system, which was like a year or two before the "new look"/Oasis skin was introduced and promptly forced on everyone without regard to choice and ignoring all negative criticism while simultaneously stealth-changing the terms of service  . I will continue to prefer the things that I am used to using/seeing, like old YouTube and old Gmail prior to Google+ and social integration, which I still boycott in my own insignificant way. But don't let me hold this site back from any upgrades that might be necessary from the viewpoints that I do not agree with.


 * Although in terms of things being stretched on larger screens, my intention was to make sure pages were readable on 1024x768 resolution as a standard, and this used to be part of the main page disclaimer. The list-type resource pages are often not able to adhere to this due to how much info has to be shown in a single table, but a lot of the manual line breaks were added to try to meet this screen width expectation. The "new look" skin screwed everything over due to the enforced page margins regardless of screen/browser window size, and if the wiki's internal CSS files can no longer be altered to change the way the skin works without breaching TOS, I'd rather not use it as a basis for anything when it comes to page formatting.


 * Audrey Belrose is my spirit animal. (talk) 13:13, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

I actually really like our current gallery system. It's just that I've been gravitating more and more toward appearances that appear decent on all devices. The new layout doesn't seem to support five images on a row. On my large home computer, it appears fine unless you preview it. Likewise, my smaller work computer moves the fifth image down to a line of its own. I could provide screenshots, if necessary. In the mobile preview, the size of the images in galleries is distorted and inconsistent. I normally wouldn't care about a mobile device preview, but I'm wondering if it's solely because of our dated gallery system. I doubt Wikia will fix this, so that's why I'm willing to consider our alternatives available. I'm actually not even sure how the modern gallery is coded, but I can easily research it.

For me, I use the new Wikia skin because I assume that most readers are using it due to its default status. As such, it's always been my attempt to have our pages appear decent for all users in spite of my distaste for catering to the convenience audience of mobile technology. Appearance on desktops and laptops actually hold priority for me, but I don't want to edit in a way that butchers page appearance for others. I'm not sure if you've viewed how things are with the new Wikia skin lately, but larger interpretations for XL screens are a thing of the past now. All pages are compressed to display a near identical layout for just about all devices, save mobile, which are forcibly smaller. It also allows for more images to be embedded within the articles themselves without occupying the space adjacent to 2+ paragraphs. Essentially, images now fit neatly in articles and occupy a smaller space (typically a single paragraph) due to the article's compressed width.

Arosia (talk) 16:42, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

Ew. I really don't like the modern gallery setup. Are there any others?

Arosia (talk) 18:52, July 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * I remember that I adapted the gallery template from Wikipedia. But there may be other alternatives found there or on other wiki sites. A quick search of alternative Wikia galleries leads to one example that might have better flexibility due to aligned image wrapping and no need for a lines parameter, but you may be able to find other examples and experiment with them. The gallery change was universally reviled by those who opposed that control over their wiki design was being taken away from them, with the gallery being like the second or third straw. The skin change was the final straw that led many wikis to migrate away from Wikia. So there have to be a lot of variations that work in a sensible way.


 * Audrey Belrose is my spirit animal. (talk) 00:01, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

It's definitely not an urgent thing, and I really like our current one. Like I said, I'm just trying to stay mindful of appearances on all devices. It's honestly fine for now.

Arosia (talk) 00:33, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Zestiria ENG cast
I don't know if this source is reliable enough for the wiki, but I found an article that has some of the ENG cast listed. Fei noh a  Talk 00:51, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

If the voice actors revealed the information themselves through an official account on social media or the like, then that may used as a credible source for citation. The article, no.

Arosia (talk) 01:07, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

ToD Pachislot
Has anyone else seen this? It reminds me of Power Rangers lol.

Arosia (talk) 00:12, July 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * I mentioned this game on this talk page back when we found out about it. But I was never aware of what kind of cutscenes would be going into it. Way too much effort for a literal slot machine game. But the Aileron family picnic scene is truly adorkable, because Stahn. Also, the bad guys in these scenes seem to have a marvelous tendency to explode to death, then resurrect seconds later just to explode to death again. Bonus points for Kongman punching Hugo in the face twice... need gif lol.


 * Audrey Belrose is my spirit animal. (talk) 06:34, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

Project X Zone Affiliation
Sure thing! Actually I wanted to get around to asking about that, but I've been jumping around everywhere that I kept forgetting to do it. Since Yuri and Flynn's Bushin Soutenha will finally be getting an official translation in PXZ2, the timing is perfect. Letdragon (talk) 06:17, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah! I've actually already added PXZ Wiki to the home page. Thanks!

Arosia (talk) 06:19, July 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Awesome, and thank you! Letdragon (talk) 03:47, July 30, 2015 (UTC)

Untitled
If you think my info is "child-like" and "not significant". Then add more yourself. Instead of acting high and mighty. Give me an example instead of flatly delete.

Look. I am sorry if I end up running my mouth. It's just you are an administer. When me and others post things. Most of us try to make it as genuine as possible. When you suddenly remove it without putting up something else. It just doesn't sit right with me. Besides. Tales of Xillia also lacks a lot of information. Whether it has personal or professional significance is up to the readers.

I'm not going to add more myself because I have not played the game, nor do I have any intention of doing so. I'm sorry you mistake my attempt at keeping this wiki clean of such poor writing as superiority, but I assure you that's not the case. I rewrote the small paragraph and corrected grammatical errors, omitting the incoherent jibber in the process. In the future, be mindful that admins don't always have the time to play janitor, as we have our own lives and goals/projects on here.

Arosia (talk) 18:42, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Enforced Skin?
Is Aselia now enforcing Wikia/Oasis skin? I ask because I use Monobook skin and whenever I revert my skin preferences to that one, Wikia/Oasis skin strangely returns as the skin for Aselia. I don't encounter this kind of thing on other Wikis.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:16, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

I have not changed anything, and while the Wikia skin may be set as default, altering your preferences to MonoBook should be permanent. I'm not sure why it keeps resetting yours to the default if you're not switching devices or anything, but I haven't noticed anything because I use the Wikia skin. Mayu and Lanate prefer MonoBook, but I prefer the Wikia skin because it's become more standardized and is what more people now use. MonoBook excessively stretches the width of articles and provides a very false interpretation of what the page will look like for those using the Wikia skin (most people), as well as those on mobile devices with smaller screen width. But enough of my trying to convert you. I don't know why you're having this problem, but you can submit a bug report here.

Arosia (talk) 23:54, August 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Seems like the problem doesn't occur anymore (and I didn't report it since I wanted to give it some time to see if it still occured but doesn't to anymore).—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 18:46, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Gallery section on Arte articles
I noticed that some arte articles have more than 1 image and in cases where an arte article has like 3 images and more the image placement following the "introductory" image are located under various headings on the right side which for articles with a bit larger number of images than usual is looks rather awkward. Wouldn't a "Gallery" section for those images be better, between either "Arte Description and History" and "Appearances" or "In-Game Descriptions and Battle Quotes" and "References" sections? For example Tiger Blade has three images and the last two located kinda in the middle looks rather weird IMO. I know that acquiring images to fill articles is not easy but a dedicated gallery section might be a bit more aesthetic for arte pages with multiple images. If anything, "Gallery" section could be made when at least two images would go there so we could still have this one "extra" floating about the page.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 18:46, August 22, 2015 (UTC) Edit: You know what? Scratch that. I just looked at the Page Outlines and noticed that "Gallery" section is included there. Now I wonder why we don't really utilize it...—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 18:48, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

It looks awkward for you because you're using the MonoBook skin, which greatly stretches the page's width. If you were using the Wikia skin, it would not look like a crowded jumble of images merged on the right side. I can no longer cater to the MonoBook skin because it's obviously not the direction Wikia is headed, and I must consider how most people will see these pages. I had the "Gallery" section listed prior to Wikia's recent page width change for XL-screen users, but now, images fit neatly within the articles themselves with the Wikia skin. The difference between MonoBook and Wikia has now become so drastic that it would be impossible for me to ensure everything looks appropriate on both.

I've stopped checking the MonoBook layout of pages because, in many cases, it does look bad. The pages look short, the article's paragraphs look small, and the page's images appear large and crammed into the article. I honestly would not be surprised if Wikia decided to scrap the MonoBook skin altogether, so I'm playing on the safe side. Page appearance on the MonoBook skin is no longer something we consider, and that's not just me. If it were something we considered, you would see Mayu and Lanate adjusting things here and there because I know they have to look bad on MonoBook. They use MonoBook out of preference, which is fine.

Arosia (talk) 19:34, August 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * I use Monobook mainly because of the wider area: Oasis is too narrow for me, kinda cramped. IMO Aselia's articles look pretty good in Monobook, especially list type articles since, well, Monobook is wide. ;P
 * Also, Central Wikia planned some time ago a new skin called "Venus" (I'm not sure if this was already mentioned somewhere on this Wiki) and for a limited one could see how an article would look in it by putting "?useskin=venus" at the end of the article in question's URL, but now it's not possible. I don't know if it's still in the plans, but from what I gather it was at least considered to replace Oasis skin, but with how Central Wikia is I don't know what's the current situation. So yeah, probably at some point Central Wikia will change the default skin, but not even them know what's going on.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:25, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Goals
Okay, so I'm making note of these in case anyone would like to help in his or her spare time. There's three things really:
 * Revamping the game templates to adhere to our new format. You can see examples here and here.
 * After the template has been changed, all pages linked through it need to have the appropriate template extension added so that the correct box will remain open.
 * Creating enemy arte pages, or at least giving it a shot. They aren't nearly as tedious as playable characters' arte pages, so not much time has to be dedicated to each one.

If you have any questions or concerns about any of these, please let me know. I'll be working on these things myself. It would just be great to be able to knock them all out quickly through teamwork (not necessarily the enemy arte pages). Really, one of the bigger things I'd like help with is the conversion of the game templates and subsequent alteration on all the linked pages. Anyway, just putting these ideas forward and letting everyone know some of the current plans.

Arosia (talk) 04:37, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Videos
So, I've been considering this for a while now, but yes, videos. My initial concern was copyright violation, but not in the same sense as Mayu. It is perfectly acceptable to add videos from YouTube, which actually only serves as a link. In other words, if the original video is removed for some reason, access to the video through the wiki becomes void. This is why I didn't want to mess with YT despite my wanting at least the openings on the wiki. Should the user remove the original video or it be taken down by YT over copyright issues, there's nothing we can do but remove the broken link. However, there's this place, which has a number of quality, licensed videos, many of which already appear on the sidebar for Wikia skin users. The site's search function is extraordinarily ignorant, making it difficult to find Tales videos, but there are some. I've uploaded a few novel ones and may continue to do so. Just letting everyone know.

Arosia (talk) 07:00, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

I suppose I should say that this is just a bit of an experimentation on my part. Please don't upload any videos, and don't add the videos I've already uploaded to any pages. I'm considering allowing decent Tales videos from the official video wiki but nowhere else. Even then, I will probably make the effort of deciding what's worthwhile and adding it. I like the ones I've uploaded thus far, so maybe I'll find more like them. They're just a bit of spice for the wiki to be used solely for viewing purposes through the navigation toolbar (Wikia skin users) or the respective video category. What's ideal about these videos is they're good quality, licensed for our use, and not prone to removal like YT videos. Anyway, just making this all clear.

Arosia (talk) 07:19, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I'm done fooling around with videos. Some are pretty decent, so I've made sure we have those. I initially uploaded more than what I wanted, so I weeded out a few, leaving us with decent trailers (one per game) of what the library has available. I've noticed older titles are neglected outright, but perhaps that will change. I have what I want from the library for now and will monitor it from time to time, but no more should be uploaded in the meantime. Enjoy!

Arosia (talk) 22:27, September 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Are these videos gonna just linger somwhere in the filespace or will they be somehow incorporated into mainspace? Personally, I'm not fond of the idea of having videos available via Wiki and would rather prefer linking to YouTube video instead. I think there are special tags for that but as far as I know it will add videos to Wiki's filespace nonetheless unless the video is placed inside a template (that's how videos are included on FFWiki's articles). Still, my only concern is the state of videos on the Wiki; if you want select few to be here I won't object since you're more familiar with Aselia than I.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:51, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

They're not lingering. For Wikia skin users, they're displayed in the navigation toolbar, and they're also automagically categorized here. I suppose injecting them into appropriate pages wouldn't be disastrous, but I wanted to avoid it. Why are you not fond of videos available via Wikia? It's highly encouraged and has zero chance of violating any copyright. If we borrow from YT, the videos embedded stand a chance of being removed, rendering the wiki's access to the video obsolete. I'm not even sure if the wiki has a way of notifying administrators, but I am aware of the video licensing swap through Wikia Video. Even that requires maintenance in some form, however. I think you misunderstand my concern with YT videos since you mentioned licensing tags, which we do not and will never use, for anything.

I'm not bothered by our use of the video, as YT allows for this. I'm bothered that the person who uploaded the video to YT may be unreliable, either in regard to keeping the video up on YT or the video's copyright status. From my understanding, the likelihood of the Wikia library videos being removed is slim to none. In other words, I don't have to persistently ensure they work. I also prefer having a relative few as opposed to many, seeing as how there aren't a lot in the library anyway and because adding more would only encourage users to do the same until we have an unhealthy amount for us (me) to maintain. And yes, they would begin coming from YT, hence my concern. I have done research on this and feel it's best to stay limited at this point in time, which, in my opinion, is better than having nothing at all.

These pages offer some insight into how videos on wikis function:
 * Videos
 * Video Embed Tool
 * Licensed Video Swap
 * Wikia Video Library FAQ

Arosia (talk) 23:19, September 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * But aren't the videos already displaying on Wikia skin even if not uploaded here? If they are displayed, it's kinda pointless to upload them if they don't need to be. As for videos: trailers can be linked from Bandai Namco's official YouTube profile since it's rather unlikely to be removed from there: Japanese branch / US branch / European branch or for PlayStation titles you could also link to trailers posted on their official profile. I think that other console companies have their own official YouTube channels which are unlikely to remove trailers they'll post after doing so.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:34, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

It's more that some have a possibility of being displayed on the side. I've seen maybe 5 of the 17 I have uploaded. Videos linked from the official channels wouldn't be a concern, of course, but my immediate worry was a flood of gameplay/battle/glitch/exploit/nonsense videos from random users. Like I stated prior, I would like to at least have the openings for each game, but I'm going to remain sharp on my sources. In other words, videos from official channels, yes. But can we please hold off for now? It's not a priority and definitely not a major concern, so leaving what we have in the meantime sounds ideal until I or someone else has the time to upload all the necessities from those channels. We already have the main trailers anyway. Also, Lanate or someone else may want to comment on this matter, so we'll leave the discussion open. Thanks for your input. I just know the introduction of videos was the final straw for Mayu.

Arosia (talk) 23:46, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Arte List Pages for Cameo Battles
Shouldn't we have arte list pages for cameo battles too? Like for example for Symphonia it would be Farah, Meredy, and Garr; for Graces it'd be Reala, Kohaku, and Veigue; and for Xillia 2 Cress, Mint, Stahn, and Rutee? Or is it that their "cameo" status is not enough?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:50, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

I was originally not planning to, but seeing as how the enemy arte page project has been a success thus far, I may consider it. We have to be mindful of template space, however.

Arosia (talk) 18:51, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

Page dispersion
The following pages need to be broken apart. Tabs will not suffice due to the length of certain tables. A navigational aid at the top of the page can assist the game template in providing easy accessibility to the dispersed pages. ToG title pages are a concern. For more information, see Long Pages. Anything on the first page of that list should be examined to ensure that no easier accommodation can be made.


 * ToP PSX - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToP PSX - Tools
 * ToE - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToE - Tools
 * ToS - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToS - Monster List
 * ToL - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToL - Tools
 * ToL - Monster Book
 * TotA - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToG - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToX - Linked Artes
 * ToX - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToX - Tools
 * ToX - Titles
 * ToX2 - Linked Artes
 * TotW:ND2 - Costumes
 * TotW:ND3 - Costumes
 * ToS:DotNW - Accessories
 * ToS:DotNW - Skills
 * ToS:DotNW - Monster Book
 * ToVS - Skills

Notes:

Arosia (talk) 00:34, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Example of navigational aid:

 ToV Sub-Weapons

Arosia (talk) 01:39, September 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * I would push back on doing anything with most of those pages. I'm not in favor of splitting them in any way, as those are meant to be central repositories. Even with a navigational aid, it's better presented on page. Graces titles pages too. I'd say Tools and Accessories, maybe, but I'd say no to anything else.


 * And, to be honest, I like long data pages, so I'm generally going to be against splitting data pages on principle. Lanate (talk) 02:54, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

I, on the other hand, don't like long data pages. But, then again, you are, essentially and in most respects, in charge of data pages on this wiki because your involvement with them and knowledge of how they should function supersedes anyone else. However, you must recognize that pages such as ToX2 - Linked Artes are extremely long and would function nearly the same using an appropriate navigation tool. Then again, that page may be a bad example because it's not divided in any way. Tools and accessories. We don't conglomerate all weapons into a single page. We disperse them by type. The same could be done for tools and accessories, and in the case of ToV, sub-weapons, though you didn't mention that one.

Give me these:
 * ToP PSX - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToP PSX - Tools
 * ToE - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToE - Tools
 * ToS - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToL - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToL - Tools
 * TotA - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToG - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToX - Equipment (Accessories)
 * ToX - Tools
 * ToS:DotNW - Accessories

To split. And future tools and accessories will be handled in the same way. The others stay one page. I want a top-page navigational aid, but I want to ensure it looks presentable. So, I need your input and/or suggestion in the form of a recreated table. There's a reason why this wiki lacks a larger number of pages, and it can only partially be blamed on the relatively small community. A majority of wikis function on the premise of comprehensive and ubiquitous data, whereas this wiki is rooted in agglomerate information and strict page-creation policies. The efforts, in the past, have tended to be concentrated rather than dispersed. Hence why we have pages like this, this, and this, then pages like this. Mayu was rather efficient when the matter was concentrated but all but hopeless when it came to the overall scheme of things.

The exact and precise reason this wiki was such a mess when I came was because of this concentrated effort that sought to eliminate all imperfections rather than allow them to flourish like most wikis do. Granted, many wikis, including your other, are falsely represented in their number of pages. You can generate a random page ten times and find nothing but stub or fan pages. Twenty times, even. Some wikis more. While I admire other wikis for their impressive amount of data, I, as much as Mayu, dislike stubs. Mayu was a great contributor when she actually contributed. Unfortunately, a large number of her edits are nothing more than talk page rants. Tables, yes. Story-related pages? Hardly. She had strict rules, which she followed, but only the limited times she acted upon them, especially within the timespan of my presence on the wiki. Remember how she wanted images cited? It would have been great, ideal even. Only it wasn't feasible. She followed the guidelines.....for the ten (maybe) images she uploaded. Concentrated, not dispersed. Inadequate. Cannot build a wiki.

I could go on about how surprised I was when I thoroughly cleaned this wiki. For the most part, you couldn't tell the wiki ever had an admin. She was good at banning spammers and barking orders, but not so much at comprehensive monitoring and contributing. Maybe one time, but not within the past year or so. And I like Mayu. I'm glad she's no longer an admin though, because I hated always expecting something and it never coming to fruition. She wouldn't have liked enemy arte pages with a single table row, but there's the shortcoming. That's data, and not useless. It's comprehensive (non-playable), and not limited (playable). It's your data you, no doubt, worked incredibly hard to obtain, but it wasn't represented anywhere. It didn't exist, and now it does.

Arosia (talk) 03:57, September 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * There's a reason why the linked artes are all on one page, and it's because it's already been split. They have appropriate sections on their user's page, thus splitting them is redundant. The sole reason it exists is to provide a central location for all of them, and I'd definitely argue against removal of the page itself.


 * Again, I'll say that I prefer long pages. I like aggregate pages. My wiki philosophy has typically been the less pages the better, otherwise what should've been a list or an aggregate reminds of those news sites which split pages to get more clicks.


 * As to lack of community participation, it's more than that. There's both community and individual apathy/dislike towards wiki sites. There's dislike of wikia, which I have a massive amount of sympathy for. There's also the simple fact that people have a limited amount of time in their life. When I make edits, I think it's fun. Compiling artes is fun for me; it's use to the wiki is secondary to that. You can only really get people who want to edit. When it becomes a chore, that's when you lose participation aside from normal turnover. I personally think I'm starting to get burnt out on this wiki again, and I don't have the time that I used to have. Lanate (talk) 05:10, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

You certainly don't enforce that philosophy on your other wiki. Then again, you're not really the forceful type. I guess what irks me is when we have this weird, unbalanced amalgamation of mega-length pages and stub articles. There's no benefits to having a larger wiki, so it's not that I'm attempting to farm pages for the sake of having them. There is dissent toward wikis, yes, but let's face it, the English-speaking Tales fanbase isn't exactly a large one. Not once have I fussed about there not being more contributors. Really, it would only result in more work for me. This is my only wiki, and my editing is divided into enjoyment and obligation. I like Wikia, and I like editing.

Monitoring and maintaining wiki infrastructure (unheard of on this wiki prior to my becoming an admin) is the obligatory side of the spectrum. Sometimes it's a chore, and tedious, and mind-numbing, and sometimes I curse in the edit summaries, but it's the role I've assumed. Administrators are responsible for these things. You, no. That's a different story. But me, yes. I realize that each person who edits this wiki does so because he or she wants to. I realize no one wants an obligation. I don't assign things. Now, are you burnt out on just this wiki, or your other one, too? If yes, sorry to hear. If no, tell me what's going on. I certainly don't have heaps of time, but well, I have a completionist mindset. If I start something, I must finish it, and lately, there's been things that have needed to get done. Once these projects blow over, I want to slow down and revisit my Abyss so that I can complete those pages at my own pace (enjoyment).

Arosia (talk) 05:48, September 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Honestly, it's just this wiki. I need time to relax; it's like the projects never end here. I know you're just going to say that it'll be better once everything's done, but I'm honestly getting burnt out on it all. My other endeavors are far more laid back.


 * And you don't see on my other wiki how all of our data and character pages are wicked compressed, or how we really love list pages. Lanate (talk) 06:42, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

I marked the remaining game templates as long-term projects to be done whenever there is time, and the enemy arte pages certainly don't have a deadline. No one is requiring you to do anything.

Arosia (talk) 07:10, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Portable Infoboxes
Hiya, it's me Ryousha again! o:

I was wondering if you and Lanate had any interest in updating the templates to the new format that Wikia is trying to roll out. You can see them by clicking here. Its intentions are suppose to be easier coding and looks identical on both mobile and desktop platforms. More and more Wikias are converting over to the Portable Infoboxes. Ryousha (talk) 06:43, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

I like the look, and it doesn't seem like it would be difficult to implement. I'll play around with it when I have time. As you can see from the above conversation, there's a few time-consuming projects currently ongoing, but this is something I'd like to consider. Thanks for the info.

Arosia (talk) 07:10, September 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * I've been testing the conversion of infoboxes on one of the Wikis I am administrator of and I must say that the new format is quite easy to convert to: link It's neat and looks very aesthetic. I can help in conversion if you and/or Lanate want to switch to it.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:48, September 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Same here, I'm an administrator over the Tokupedia Hub, such as Power Rangers Wiki, Kamen Rider Wiki, Garo Wiki, Ultraman Wiki, and it actually is easy to convert to. It is still customizable too, like what I did over here on this particular Wiki: link1 and link2. Ryousha (talk) 19:48, September 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * I actually went and created a draft of the template. Template:CharInfo/Draft. It's pretty barebones, but it functions exactly the same way as the old templates did. Only thing is that to customize its appearance, you must dabble into Wikia.css to tweak some things. Like there's a value width you need to touch in order to allow tabber and images that use [[File:namehere.png]] to be centered. Otherwise you could use their built in image function which will center it for you, but you lose tabber and multi-image functionality. Ryousha (talk) 20:02, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Kaimi, I almost got really mad when I saw that you were a founder of a knockoff Tales wiki until I noticed that it was in whatever the hell language that is. Anyway, like I said, I'll play around with it. Thanks again.

Arosia (talk) 04:12, September 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's Polish, excuse me. ;P I know your stance about other English Tales Wiki(s) from the conversation we had some time ago, but I think other language is fine. ?_? — Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:38, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. I just didn't realize initially that it was.

Arosia (talk) 17:30, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

Quote for Wikia Fall/Winter Games Guide
Hey there Arosia,

My name is Doug and I'm a member of Wikia's Community Development Team! We're going to create a Fall/Winter Games Guide article feature that showcases some exciting games for players to expect in the coming months.

Tales of Zestiria will be on the list! We wanted to visit a few communities featured on the list and ask a few major admins/contributors about why they love the game/franchise, what they are looking forward to in the next installment, or why players should give the game a chance. Your quote/username could be highlighted in the feature!

If you're interested, leave me a reply with your quote about the game (1-3 sentences). Thanks so much and have a good one! TheBlueRogue •(profile)•(talk)•(doug@wikia-inc.com) 17:38, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Sure. For me, what sets the Tales series apart from many other fantasy JRPGs is its engaging real-time battle system and unique stories, with each new installment typically introducing different themes and settings than previous ones. Tales of Zestiria is no exception to this trend, as the game features a medieval, high-fantasy setting that distinguishes itself from the modern, technological feel of its predecessors, Tales of Xillia and Tales of Xillia 2. I encourage gamers and RPG fans to try Zestiria and other Tales titles so they can experience for themselves the plots, characters, and gameplay that define each unique title and represent the series as a whole.

Arosia (talk) 00:15, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Modifies help
Hello Arosia, I´m kind of new at this editing thing, and I happen to not know how to modify the table calour and lines, I just copied it from the excel where I made it. May I ask you to modify it for me so it can look a little better??

http://aselia.wikia.com/wiki/ToX2_-_Titles

Thats the page I edited.

Thaanks :)

--Tomiibai (talk) 15:54, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'll fix it.

Arosia (talk) 22:03, September 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * I can take care of it if you want. Lanate (talk) 23:53, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks, Lanate.

Arosia (talk) 00:43, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Arosia and thanks Lanate, it ended being just as I wanted it to be.. Sorry for the troubles.

--Tomiibai (talk) 11:45, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Tales of Graces Soundtrack
Since Tales of Graces f has an accessible sound bank, including game tracks with actual, official English names I wonder if those would take priority in case if the page for it would appear. I could help with it, but that would take a bit of time because tracks are categorized by their utility, like battles, events, and location tracks.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:24, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

A sound bank within the game itself is entirely different from an actual soundtrack that is released and sold. They're separate entities, and the only thing appropriate I can think of for the sound bank is a system-based data page. If you cannot create the page yourself, you are free to provide the information elsewhere so that it's at least available for if/when the page is created.

Arosia (talk) 01:12, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

ToX2 "Day One Edition" Soundtrack CD
I want to make an article for the soundtrack CD I got with my "Day One Edition" of Tales of Xillia 2 (I think the same CD is also the part of the "Collector's Edition"), but the CD says "Original Soundtrack" despite having only 15 tracks on it (I think it's one third of the actual ToX2 soundtrack). Should this article be named "Tales of Xillia 2 Selected Soundtrack" as to disambiguate it from the future "Tales of Xillia 2 Original Soundtrack"? This CD has slightly different names for a few tracks than what you can find on the net. Also, should we put Japanese names next to their English ones and tracks' duration times?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:49, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Title it "Tales of Xillia 2 Selection Soundtrack", as this is how it was marketed. It is included in both the "Day One Edition" and "Collector's Edition" packs. Don't list Japanese names and track duration times.

Arosia (talk) 21:25, October 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * Done. No cover image is available, although I can provide the image of the CD if needed. Track 9 seems to be called "Dance of the Resplendent Spirits" on the net from what I see, although my disc uses singular "Spirit". I'm not sure about my formatting of release dates and catalog numbers, so if you could correct them if needed would be appreciated. If there's something missing that should be there, please tell me.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:16, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

No image is fine, although you're free to upload one of your own, as long as it's decent, i.e., not obviously taken with a mobile device. For Track 9, we'll go with what the disc says since it may not necessarily be a typo.

Arosia (talk) 00:59, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

English Localization for ToZ
Well, for the past few days I've been watching videos of the English localization of ToZ and been gathering localized names. I think the primary concern at the moment are arte pages, followed by equipment pages (I was initially tracking equipment localization but ultimately dropped it, will most likely work on it after getting it at some point unless someone will beat me to it), however I'm lacking a bit with some localizations. You prefer for the localized names to be added in a single go, right? Also, "ToZ - [Element] Armitization Artes" should be renamed; I noticed that "armatization" is the name for the action while "armatus" (capitalized in battle dialogue) is the state one enter when they perform armatization, so wouldn't it be better for the naming pattern to be "ToZ - [Element] Armatus Artes"? Additionally, at least of the new artes shares its English name with "Wind Cutter" which is localized as "Wind Blade". Would that ToZ Wind Blade be called "Wind Blade (Armatus)" or something like that? Sorry for sending you so many questions regularly but I don't want to cause any trouble and things for you.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:40, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

The game was just localized. Calm yourself, and do not start making minor changes here and there. There should be some order to this process rather than the chaotic frenzy that spurs with each localization. Do not mess with Lanate's pages, as I'm sure he is perfectly adept at updating them himself. Also, I'm sure he's getting the game, so there is a high probability that he will work toward renaming pages and so on. I myself won't be getting the game and have been very busy irl lately, so even my attempts at researching localized terms will be limited at this point. However, you or any other user are free to leave comments on the talk pages of pages that need to be renamed, and I will get to them in a timely manner. Also, there's the move request log if you'd rather just post a list. Not everything has to be rushed right away. In fact, what I would prefer is that someone perform the courtesy of listing the known changes in localized terms so that everyone can be aware of them.

As for the arte question, Lanate's call. Sorry, Lanate. Arte pages are yours, though.

Arosia (talk) 02:00, October 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I'm not getting my copy until next week. Move-request log's probably the best place for things, or a centralized place that can be used for localized terms like User:Arosia/Terminology. Lanate (talk) 02:19, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Anyone else notice this?

Arosia (talk) 03:14, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

I've been compiling the localized arte names in this forum post I've got a majority of the names listed, as well as the localized arte monikers (Martial Artes, Hidden Artes, etc.)

MabiEditor (talk) 03:47, October 17, 2015 (UTC)