User talk:Mayu Miyuki/Archive 10


 * This is an archival of all discussions on Mayu Miyuki's user talk page througout the year of 2014. These conversations are considered to be closed - if you wish to leave a reply to any of these posts, please leave your comment on the original page.

Tales of Phantasia (iOS)
So, yeah, I tried my best to play and gather info. Unfortunately, Namco destroyed the game as I'm pretty sure the fanbase already or will know. I can't get past the Aqueducts and the entire experience is too frustrating combined with blatant money-grab abuses. So, yeah, I can't see myself going any farther. Lanate (talk) 05:28, January 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well yeah, what I've seen from comments about this game when it was released in Japan was that it's on par with GBA as a terribad port which manages to make things worse than the versions they are based on. Quite possibly the only salvaging factor would be the translation, and the removal of eldritch marsupials from Australia is already an improvement. I don't like touch screen devices so I won't ever have a chance to play this game (or Plants vs Zombies 2), so I guess it's up to whoever is willing to endure bad game porting design and silly microtransactions in a non-MMO just to make it playable. Go figure, the versions that are denounced by the fanbase as being bad/inferior/beta tend to be the ones that are localized, Graces exempted. (inb4 hearts r gets localized as a port to ouya console)


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 05:51, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm at the Valhalla War sequence and the app crashes whenever I rest for the night. I honestly can't continue, as I'm nowhere near good enough at navigation to clear the entire battlefield in one in-game day.  It's freaking frustrating.  I left the arte names that I have so far on one of my personal pages. Lanate (talk) 03:29, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

Winxfan's Presa Article
I know you and Winxfan have a history and I understand that you’re wary of him. I’m not here to comment on that – it’s none of my business.

I just wanted to tell you that I’ve been helping him proofread his article over the past few days, and we’ve reworked it to remove all speculation and inaccuracies and make it fit with the MoS (or our understanding of it, at the very least). It’s a pretty decent and complete article; I think you should give it a chance, despite your initial misgivings.

Have a good day, Yume hanabi (talk) 05:51, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Just publish it, and I'll fix it.

Moviebaby (talk) 06:57, February 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the delayed reply. Regarding the latest incarnation of that article, I glanced over it briefly and it did read very differently than it had literally every other time before now. But I imagine that you edited it to the point that it is no longer Winxfan's work - rather, it might as well be your own. That was part of our misgivings against Winxfan in general, since everything he posts needs to be edited so heavily that it no longer resembles anything he wrote or intended to convey. And we tried to allow these things after fixing them ourselves multiple times in the past couple of years until the process became infuriating and distracting. And it doesn't help that Winxfan is a spammer with an "I'll keep posting it until you like it" mentality, and he spam-blogs to gloat about the most minor of his "accomplishments" to boot. The only pages that are ever retained of his are the ones that have transformed into something certifiably non-Winxfan, as this one would be too. That's why I recommend that you would post it yourself so the page history would reflect effort where it is due, but it's up to you. If not, I'll just restore the page later then, after I get home from another late night because fml irl.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 06:28, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to get back to you so late, I got sick in the meanwhile ^^;

Thanks for your understanding. Credit where it's due, though: he edited it himself following my suggestions. He did make good effort on it. I shall repost it, then. There's a couple of things I'd like to add anyway, now that I think of it. I hope I don't mess with the formatting, I'm a bit of a newb at this, haha XD;

(btw there's a question I'd like to ask you on an unrelated topic (in fact, two on two different topics), should I make a(/two) new category(/ies)? Yume hanabi (talk) 11:58, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

When exactly can a newly localized game's pages be edited?
I know you said when it's released but what time period does that refer to, its North American release or international release? For instance, right now it's Feb. 24, 7:30 PM where I live. Should I wait till midnight to start editing or can I begin now, like alt milla has been doing?

Oh, and here's a forum post I put together collecting all the localized names if you haven't seen it. I'm sure it'll help. http://talesreserve.forumotion.net/t84-unlocalized-symphonia-artes-titles-enemies#1345 MabiEditor (talk) 01:39, February 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Naturally the North American release for the North American localization. If we were also listing the translations for foreign releases, then we would follow the PAL localization date. Frankly, I don't want to have to deal with listing Spanish/French/etc names but it is a possible option for this wiki tbh.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:55, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

I've got an idea
In honor of ToSC's release, how about we update the picture of Raine on the site with her portrait featured in Chronicles? It's a small change, but it would be a nice change of pace.

MabiEditor (talk) 02:44, February 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * I guess? I don't really care, nor do I see any purpose in changing it, nor do I know how, but it's up to whatever others agree to.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 04:14, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

PS3 Symphonia localizations
Am I allowed, since the game has passed its release date, to edit the new localizations of the usually PS2-exclusive Artes? Or have you not decided what's being done yet thanks to the horribly inconsistent name/audio issue? (Luminous Bind while Holy Binds appears on screen...despite the fact other characters say Shining Bind).


 * People have been making their own changes autonomously and refuse to wait for the proper game to be put on the shelves for release, and at this point I have no capacity to stop the changes that are happening because they will have to be done later anyway. But it would have been nice, and at least greatly appreciated, if people would take the discretion to wait for a bit.


 * With regards to the inconsistent voices and arte names, we must go by what is shown in the menus, or lacking that, what is shown in the arte banners. Things that the characters say can be treated as phrases that can be used to describe the artes without necessarily being the arte name, and they can be recognized in the arte pages as their quotes/incantations/whatever. This is like the alternate voice aspect of Vesperia and Graces, or Lloyd's "I'll show you... divine justice!" in the original game. Inconsistent voices was an actual issue in Eternia too - the menus show "Ground Dasher", but the game displays "Earth Shaker" in the arte banner for both allies and enemies. So Ground Dasher is considered to be the proper name when used by the player characters, while Earth Shaker is the enemy name for the arte.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:26, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

Listen, I saw your posted warning message. If there is any way I could avoid the mistakes I made trying to fill in some missing links, could you give me some pointers? --XZone (talk) 22:40, February 25, 2014 (UTC)XZone

Establishing a Media Policy/Guidelines for The Tales Wiki
Hi Mayu Miyuki,

My name is Luis and I am a Community Support Manager (ES) and Video Community Lead at Wikia. I had a few questions regarding The Tales Wiki and was told you were the person to speak to. Let me start off by saying that I am a big fan of the Tales series. When I worked at Namco Bandai Games America I had the pleasure of working on Tales of Destiny, Tales of Phantasia, Tales of Eternia, Tales of Abyss, Tales of Vesperia, and Tales of Symphonia. :)

As you know Wikia is currently working with communities to create Video Policies/Guidelines to their specific Wikias. As you may already know Wikia currently has been establishing an expansive library of fully licensed Wikia videos covering various forms of entertainment.

Video Swap (LVS) is our newest tool which allows admins to quickly swap videos from outside providers to the same (or very similar) video that exists in our library at Wikia Video. All our videos are fully licensed with no expiration date.

We are always looking to improve on what we can provide to our users and if it was ok with you, we would like to know what we can do to better your experience.

Lastly we want to encourage communities to create a Video Policy/Guidelines that cater to the needs of your Wikia community regarding the uploading of any media for users to reference when visiting your site if you haven't done so already. If so, do you think you could link me to it? I would greatly appreciate it! We will we doing a feature on Wikias with Video Policy/Guidelines in the near future in order for those Wikias that need references to get some help in establishing their own.

Here are a few examples:

Tardis

Skyrim

Thanks again for your time!

Mighty No. 9 (talk) 22:51, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

Message received
Look, I realize you've got a lot to deal with (managing an entire wikia site isn't easy, after all.) But if there is any advice you can give so I won't be repeating any mistakes (since I got your message and all), I am willing to listen --XZone (talk) 23:14, February 25, 2014 (UTC)XZone

Yeah no.
Hi, I am the local wikia inspector. I would like to know about your wiki. And who is the founder of the wiki?--TheMage Mystery and Madness (talk) 13:02, March 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * http://imageshack.com/a/img199/6540/myl2.jpg
 * http://imageshack.com/a/img855/235/6g04.jpg
 * >mfw


 * Please don't impersonate any kind of actual Wikia personnel. The information you ask about this wiki can be found via the special pages functions. Not that it matters since the founder fell off the face of the earth and the site itself belongs to the English Tales community.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:46, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Brambert was originally going to be playable?
I guess this is probably old news to longtime Tales fans, but I honestly had forgotten about the old magazine scan that shows Brambert having a battle sprite and status portrait art.

http://tcrf.net/images/d/de/Tales_of_phantasia_magazine_battle.png

http://tcrf.net/images/f/fc/Tales_of_phantasia_rambar_2.png

I guess having him in the party would have made poor Chester, and by magic extension Arche, obsolete. Letdragon (talk) 06:29, March 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's something that is known to most fans who are aware of the full history of the series starting with Tale Phantasia, but most of the fanbase today wouldn't ever have guessed about this. Even Rhea was slotted as a party member before her plot involvement got axed and she turned into a ghost that can posess people. I choose to view Brambard as a proto-Chester though. Once the concept of Chester was implemented in the game, Brambard became obsolete as a player character due to the overlap with Chester's abilities, and with the game being what it was back in the Super Famicom days, the devs likely didn't see a need for multiple archers who bear the exact same facial features and a slightly different hairstyle - just compare their status icons.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:50, March 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I noticed that too. Chester does kind of look like him. Like you said, it's likely why he was axed as a playable for that reason. Two archers would have been strange at the time when each character had their own unique weapon. Then again, in every version of Phantasia, no two characters ever share any weapons (though does Rody share any weapons with Cless in Phantasia X?). Letdragon (talk) 06:08, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot man. Appreciate you messaging me, haha ^^

Been getting inactive, sorry guys
I know I haven't been doing much of anything at all lately. I suppose an explanation is in order, not really to clear a guilty conscience but to at least inform people. Real life sucks. I find myself with a lot of responsibilities to handle all of a sudden, and my online tendency to rage and rant is manifesting pretty badly in reality, as a combination of lethargy and internal meltdown. Basically I've been burned out on a lot of things, and my internal stress and anger levels had skyrocketed to the point that I had been venting everywhere online, only to avoid any similar explosion from happening irl. And yet the reverse is starting to happen. I haven't had time to accomplish anything on this site in the past year, I guess, and certain irritant factors hereabouts only added to my exhaustion. I'm still refreshing the recent changes log regularly, but I'm barely lifting a finger to do anything anymore because I think my anger issues will only cause more worthless problems.

I dunno, I feel like resigning or something on this site because nothing much is improving anymore. I'm pretty sure that's my fault for keeping things so deeply entrenched under rules, though necessary to keep out the biggest free radicals. I know some genuine contributors had been scared off, and the place stagnated as a result. Granted, the one who should have been scared off forever refused to do so, and any effort directed toward the outright rejection of that particular case only repelled everyone else. And to be honest, now that we lack a central base to explain my case for posterity's sake, people assume that it's all just powertripping and naziism at work. And I agree with them - I wouldn't want to work under me either.

I'm not looking for a hugbox. Don't comfort me or give me lip service. I hate that. I'm just trying to establish a renewal of sorts, not necessarily with me leading the charge. I'm not entirely sure what this would entail as of yet, but I know my presence here hasn't exactly been progressive for Aselia after the first couple of years.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:44, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

I understand. I get that way sometimes too, and because I care and have contributed quite a bit to this wiki, I don't think I could leave at this point. However, real life does tend to interfere, and I sometimes find myself raging at having to fix edits on here, simply because I've had a day full of class, work, and other things. After all you've done for this wiki, I really hope you choose not to resign. Can a wiki have more than one admin? You could always appoint someone else to assist you. I'm gradually attempting to become as involved as I once was with this wiki, but I don't see that happening in full until this semester is complete. I don't believe you're to blame for the strictness here. To an extent, it's quite necessary, or this wiki would be full of crap. I realize that genuine contributors have been scared away, and I may be partially to blame for that. Having a busy or stressful day, only to come home, load the Recent Changes page on here, and find a genuine contributor having made a few mistakes in their editing - I'm guilty of reverting the edit and raging instead of fixing it and providing feedback. I'm working on that.

Whatever you decide, I'm sure things will work out.

Edit: I don't know why I asked if a wiki can have more than one admin, when I know very well that it can. A recent question posted on the help desk jogged my memory, and I now remember seeing (and I believe posting once) on the founder's talk page. I guess what I don't understand entirely is the difference between admins and bureaucrats. You are an admin, capable of doing all the things you typically do to prevent spam and vandalism and whatnot. The founder is a bureaucrat? Which means only he is able to perform the big actions, such as making another user admin? Or are you a bureaucrat, as well? I suppose I'm just trying to gain a better understanding of the wiki's current situation. I'll wait for your reply.

Moviebaby (talk) 00:37, April 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * This might be the part where I say that I've felt driven out from content-based pages. The editing environment feels almost stifling, so I hesitate to stray from list-based pages. It's hard to muster much enthusiasm to do anything beyond my relatively narrow interests in artes and tabular information when it feels like anything I do work on gets eviscerated afterward, along with most others who put in an effort. I lack the impetus to poke that hornet's nest and can see why others wouldn't want to either. I just feel uncomfortable, and as a fan working on a wiki, well, I have better things to do. That's just my two cents. Lanate (talk) 03:32, April 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * I had no idea you were going through so much difficulty, but I understand your position on this. It's much the same with me. I have almost no time for wiki editing myself these days. I only have enough time and focus to fix a broken sentence, misspelled word or grammar hiccup here and there, but with real life demanding I find a job, I can never spend more than a few minutes looking through any wiki anywhere, even ones I contributed to so heavily in the last year or two. Once I find a job and things can settle down, maybe I can contribute better here and everywhere else. Letdragon (talk) 19:44, April 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * I am also to blame for your explosions. I contribute info without following rules and even though you guys tell me to leave, with so much data to be inputted I can't, but I dare not touch anything here. I apologize for this. But I felt like if the articles were all made and gotten out of the way it would be less work, but the reverse was true. I was only piling more work for you, and that was not fair. It isn't as detailed as it was and I am just someone who can not accept change from out of the blue. I too am a fan of this series. Though my collection isn't as big as all the editors put together. Also, my two cents on the matter that in the end, with new stuff on the horizon we don't get to add any more of and to the old. That's all I have to say. Again, I'm sorry.
 * Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 22:51, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

@Moviebaby - the [generalized] hierarchy of user rights on a site is as follows:
 * Wikia admins/staff/VSTF
 * Founder
 * Bureaucrat (aka Administrator)
 * Sysop (basically Moderator)
 * normal users

I am technically considered to be a sysop. So yes, I do not in fact have the power to do anything else aside from managing spam and whatnot, though I used to be able to modify the wiki's CSS files before Wikia changed the terms of service for everyone under the network when they forced Oasis down our throats. I had to request for these rights from Imaginationac after a particularly bad vandalism episode, though I had been managing the site de facto for a couple of years prior to that. Those were the years when I was actually getting things done, I guess.

Imaginationac is the only bureaucrat, though I think his powers are not much different from a sysop, aside from the fact that he is the only one who can add more sysops, along with those who hold a level above him. That's why I can't add anyone to have my same level of power unless I grab his attention again (though he hasn't been around since forever) or request such from Wikia Central. The site founder, "Demon Fang", literally created the site, did a few random page creations for less than 2 weeks, then disappeared from the web and hasn't resurfaced since. Imaginationac "adopted" the wiki since it was literally untouched at that time, and he requested for administrative rights through Wikia Central. The founder of a wiki cannot ever be changed, so this "Demon Fang" guy is stuck there no matter what, and he is the only one who can set proper admins without going through Wikia Central.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:15, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

@Mayu:

That's unfortunate. I doubt it would be possible to get into contact with him again, and I had never even heard of "Demon Fang". I was under the impression that Imaginationac was the founder of the wiki. Regardless, do you think contacting Wikia Central would be our best option in this matter? Also, did you change your username? The only reason I ask is because I see that you sign with "Byakuren Hijiri" instead of "Mayu Miyuki", perhaps for consistency and to avoid confusion. Just curious, but if not, is it possible to change one's username? I created my wiki account during a different phase in my life...

Moviebaby (talk) 22:22, April 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * @MB - That "Demon Fang" guy disappeared in 2007, iirc. Usernames can only be changed with a support request filed to Wikia Central, though I never changed my username. I just set my user settings to automatically use whatever I wanted for a name, and I had been using other names in my sig before this. I stopped caring about changing this again, though I'd probably have shifted to "Shizune Hakamichi" by now if I bothered with it.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:36, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Typical Winxfan shit
@Winxfan:

I forgot to mention this earlier. Another user plagiarized several of your Vesperia location articles and published them under his/her name. You may want to ensure that this information is removed from wherever he/she may have obtained it so that it doesn't happen again. I realize that I still have them in my talk page archive (which I'm considering removing, just in case), but I doubt that user found them there. If they're on that knock-off wiki of yours, I hesitate to tell you to remove them from there, as I remember Mayu stating that a wiki can only be shut down if the edit history is relatively inactive. Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there.

Moviebaby (talk) 22:22, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

@MB, you mean my Tales of Wiki? Actually, I wrote those location articles myself, they just got tweaked by you and Mayu, but they are not on here. But if it must, I'll delete them. I still have the originals, which are updated, saved on my laptop. Little confused cause those articles were done more than 2 years ago.

But wait, those vesperia location articles, you mean here or at the tales of Wiki? I went over the Heliord article and compared it to the updated version I have on my laptop. The plagarist must have taken the info from Tales of wikia. May I have the history of Heliord article from here? If it's a match from the knockoff wiki, we'll have our plagarist. But I'll delete them just in case.

@MB, Edit: They have all been deleted. But I still have the originals in my laptop. I remember going up to Phaeroh's Crag but that's all I remember. After that, I stopped. My Winxfan profile for my Xbox 360 locked me out and I couldn't remember my password, so now I gotta play though Vesperia again. Luckily I still have all the trophies but that does not make up for the hours I have to put into it again. I remember things happening at the Blade Drifts of Zophier, but I don't remember much. Still in the process of completing the Milla side of Xillia, but hesitant as I am not a fan of cruelty like how the villagers of Ha Mil treated Elize or Jude's dad slapping him for being stupid. Don't get me wrong I don't hate the guy, especially when he's grateful to Jude for saving his life in a sidequest. Or Isla ending up like Virginia Sage. That, was especially sad for me.

Sorry for bringing up a pointless conversation. Just one more thing: In the Xillia databox thing, Shouldn't "Tools" be renamed as "Materials" and "Attachments" be renamed Fashion since there are no costume titles, Valuables is okay, but what is the point of Search Points and Strategy? Just saying, but what do I know? Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 01:16, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

I'm saying that someone copied that information and published it under his/her name. What I don't know is where they got it from, but most likely, it was from your wiki. Mayu has already deleted the plagiarized material. As for the Xillia question, I haven't played the game yet, so I don't know. Mayu may know.

Moviebaby (talk) 01:52, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

If they did get it from my wiki, they won't anymore. I deleted it.

As For Xillia, I hear Gamestop has it, either in store or online. Save up your cash, check out the Gamestop in your area, buy it, play it, and you'll be sucked in. Also, I played Symphonia in Symphonia Chronicles. After playing it I can honestly say I prefer the sequel. Sorry again. Speaking of Xillia, Can I put Presa's Mystic Arte cut-in pic in the Fighting Style section of her article?

Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 02:22, April 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * I really wish this particular Winxfan discussion could have been posted anywhere else outside of this topic. Or page. Or website. Or reality. It's encouragements like this that keep Winxfan around despite my best efforts to achieve the opposite. Winxfan, stop blogging ffs.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 04:11, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, okay. before you end the discussion, tell me one thing. My Xillia food article, you could have deleted it the moment it was published but didn't. Why?

Also, it would have been a smart thing for me to move the conversation between me and MB to her talk page or mine.

Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 11:38, April 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * There is no conversation. Stop posting.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 13:45, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

All right I'll stop.

Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 13:49, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Blog function
Since you readily discourage use of this feature (I wholeheartedly agree), I have disabled its use. I don't believe any of our users have even touched it, apart from Winxfan (of course). If you're fine with this, great; if not, it can certainly be enabled again. Just happened to notice it while I was navigating through my tools.

Arosia (talk) 05:47, May 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * I didn't know that was an option lol. All I knew that could be changed was the blog comment stuffs on individual pages, which I disabled instantly. We have talk pages and wikiforums anyway.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 10:36, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

Image deletion sweep
Just letting you know that I just went through every image on this wiki and deleted a number of duplicated images, defected images (with sizing or blurriness issues), and unused non-Tales-related images. I ensured that none of these images were in use, apart from one that had a sizing issue (I removed the broken file link from the page). Here and there, I renamed images for clarity. While most were unused, there were a few that I had to re-upload on the actual pages (I'd like to avoid redirecting, if at all possible). I also added categories to several images. Hopefully, doing sweeps like this here and there will eventually make the overall project easier to complete.

Arosia (talk) 02:42, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Went through the list and deleted a few more. Who knew the wiki was filled with all this. It should be a lot easier to get images renamed and better organized now. It will be a big project, but there's certainly no rush. When we decide on a new renaming system, will we be simply redirecting the file names or renaming and then making the necessary changes on all pages on which the image is used? I just don't like the idea of redirecting because it leaves the old file names (most of the time just a random series of numbers), but I can understand how going through pages and manually re-uploading the images would be a bit more work. I'm open to ideas.

Arosia (talk) 05:45, May 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm surprised you were able to push through with what you did. But I'm sure you didn't go through all images because there are an exceptionally large number of uncategorized images or unused files that float around outside of the wiki infrastructure. They don't even fall under the Images root category... only the endless void of nothingness. Check out the "Uncategorized Photos" and "Unused Photos" special pages listed here, along with other links to look through every so often to filter out possible problems with the server's file structure and so on. Just keep in mind that some images, particularly the Phantasia character artwork, might seem to be duplicates but are actually official redrawings in the exact same poses by Fujishima over the course of the years. You can observe the differences in coloring/shading in the SFC Phantasia art compared to the PSX art and onwards. But I don't think this was done for any other game/work in the series.


 * As for file names, we need to look into bots to do that for us because that will be painful to change on every page that uses a given image. I was under the impression that redirected image names does not work under MediaWiki but maybe that changed with the latest upgrade. But redirects should not be used for this sort of thing because it risks the creation of double redirects when files are renamed again.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 14:28, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I began going through the categories, but I soon realized that there were so many images not categorized, so I went through the entire history of uploads (twice), dating all the way back to the founder Demon Fang's initial uploads in 2006. Thank you for that link! I was actually looking for it. I don't believe I deleted any Phantasia character artwork, but I can double check to make sure.

I agree that changing every page that uses the given image would be difficult. I wasn't aware of the possibility that we could use some sort of bot/software to do it for us. If so, great. Problem is, I'm not big on technical things like that. As for redirecting, all I know is that it provides the option of redirecting when renaming (moving) pages. I agree that we should avoid redirects, as it would lead to all sorts of problems - not to mention it would be highly unorganized. A bot that could change all pages on which the rename file is used would be wonderful. Where do we go about finding us some of that fancy technology?

Arosia (talk) 17:33, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Roughly categorized all those images. It should be much easier to further categorize and provide image descriptions/sources for them now.

Arosia (talk) 00:00, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

As you may have noticed (due to the mass edits), I've begun the process of further categorizing images, as well as providing image descriptions and sources here and there. I'm currently working my way down the list of the images category page, sorting through and categorizing the image files in these lists for the sake of organization; breaking into subcategories so that we don't have a mass category of several hundred image files in a single main category; and attempting to ensure that each image file contains a description and source. Granted, not all these files have descriptions, as sometimes I'm clueless as to what it is or where it comes from (seeing as how sometimes there's no existing indication of this, and the file may be unused), and sometimes I'm not sure what artworks are for which game, etc. (hence this).

Also, many of these files do not have sources, as I'm sure you're aware, and while I've been deleting the unused/non-cited/duplicated/poor quality/idkwtftodowithit combination of images here and there, I've been leaving official artwork and currently used files regardless. Once everything is better categorized, a smaller and much easier project can be uploading new files of the images under appropriate file names, seeing as how official artwork shouldn't be difficult to obtain. Despite my efforts (of which I'm doing alone, without any help, and which is taking hours of my personal time), I've noticed there are still many image files floating elsewhere - categorized, but not appropriately. After my current task is finished, I'll attempt to hunt them down. It shouldn't be too difficult, seeing as how I'm pretty sure where most of them are (I categorized many of them, but I was still unsure of appropriate categorization at the time). This is all new to me, and I'm learning as I go. I haven't noticed you on lately, so I'm just touching base.

Arosia (talk) 23:34, May 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm just observing what's going on without interfering at this point. With regard to the Destiny PSX/PS2 images, everything in that category that you linked to is from the PSX version already, except for that "group02" pic of the Swordian Masters standing on top of the Lumina Draconis. That image is a shot from the AMV of their penetration into Dycroft in the PS2 version. Anyway, I appreciate your efforts in sorting the images into more relevant categories than just "Images", which was always meant to be a root category. I find it odd that you would change the source link to be masked by "here", and I had intended to display links in the same bulleted citation style as used in list-type pages. I don't consider it to be a big deal since it seems to work for you... but keep in mind that some images come from magazine/guide scans, meaning there is no link to use aside from the ISBN number, and the usual book citation format should be utilized.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 04:32, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Categorized the image in the PS2 category. As for masking the source links, like I said, this is all new to me, and I'm learning as I go, familiarizing myself with what this is, where that goes, what game this is, what artwork that image is from, etc. I literally just jumped in, developed a system, and began bulldozing through it. If I had known you wanted it a particular way, I certainly would've obliged. However, I felt as if I was merely given the wheel and told "go", although I understand you didn't force this project onto me - I wanted to do it anyway. We can always zoom through the categories once they're organized and adjust it, but like you said, it's not too big a deal. Sorry if my mass of edits seems sloppy. I'm honestly learning as I go, making mental notes, fixing my mistakes, etc. Anyone who knows what they're doing is free to step in and help. I wouldn't mind at all. I'm also open to ideas. If you want to display the links is bullet citation style, let's do it. I just need to know, and any help would be greatly appreciated - like I said, from anyone who is familiar with all this.

Quick question in regard to the Phantasia artwork images: Which version belongs to which game?

Arosia (talk) 05:19, May 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * All I can properly remember is that the set of character images that include a shadow and lighter pastel shades is for the PSX version, while the others are for either SFC or GBA. I think the SFC image use greater contrasting in the color scheme, and the SFC and GBA images are quite possibly the same image put under different saturation filters. Sadly, only the GBA website still exists on Tales Channel since it looks like it was renovated recently, removing the PSX and PSP:FVE sites. There is no character artwork shown on the Phantasia Mobile site, and the Cross Edition site features their status screen images.


 * Speaking of Tales Channel, it lists a great many other games that were never added to our main page, which I only realized now. This includes the newest independent TotW storyline "Tales of the World: Reve Unitia" for 3DS, the latest crossover "Tales of Asteria", and various non-games like "Tales of Bibliotheca" and "Tales of Link". It's not like anyone would be making worthwhile articles for any of these things and others Tales Cycle products that we lack, but everything that is missing likely should be added for the sake of completion.


 * Also, for categories involving TotW or Tales of Mobile games, please include the full acronyms as they are used in their respective list pages and templates. This is much easier to organize than dumping all NariDan images together, especially when NariDan 1 is a Phantasia sequel while NariDan 2/3 form their own continuity. Even NariDan 2 has separate characters from NariDan 3 despite their same names and appearances, aside from Thanatos who bridges the gap of both games. Likewise with RadiMai 1/2/3 - all different games with only the Kanonno reincarnations bridging the gap.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 14:02, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

That helps a lot. I'll be sure to categorize them tomorrow. I wasn't able to really get anything done today (blame work and my boyfriend), but I'm off tomorrow (and boyfriend will be at work), so I'll try to work on categorizing some more then. I'll also look into adding those new titles to the main page. As for the TotW, Mobile, and RadiMai categories, that was my attempt of getting them out of the way for the time being, as I'm not sure what character is in which game, etc. (although it wouldn't be difficult for me to find out). I get what you're saying though, so I'll be sure to separate them accordingly. I kept NariDan 1 separate from NariDan 2 and 3, as I was aware that NariDan was part of the Phantasiaverse - this is why I grouped it with SumLin. But yeah, I'll give each game its own category -- tomorrow.

Arosia (talk) 09:00, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry if the above comment doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm very tired, but I have a proposal. Do you think it would be possible for us to get a comprehensive list of official website links posted somewhere on the wiki? This could be particularly beneficial when it comes to uploading official artworks or what-have-you. I know it would help me a lot. Just a thought.

Arosia (talk) 09:05, May 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * All official Japanese websites are conglomerated into one meta-website: Tales Channel (aka Teichan). Every game's website is linked on this page. The main page gives a bunch of news and info on other Tales-related products and events, such as the various Lalabit and Ufotable paraphernalia and "Tales of Festival" (aka TalesFes, known in the English community as just Tales Festival). The sub-sites are very comprehensive on the games and their characters/gameplay. This is even where I got much of the info for the gameplay details that I wrote on our Tales of Destiny page, such as the Active Party Window, since the game proper lacks any explanation of these details.


 * For the English side, official websites are a huge rarity, but they do exist for the more recent games. Or they did, at least. The official websites for Symphonia GCN/Legendia/Abyss/RadiMai 1 are gone with the forums, meaning it is their entire server that got nuked. Even the old official hub of English info for the core details of Tales games (including unlocalized games) is now fronted by Tales of Xillia. Granted, this site used to show dumb things like how Anise is a guy, Leon is a girl, and other misspellings and mismatched errors that show outright lack of care for Tales fans in English-speaking countries. And now they hide behind a main page that has no internal links to info for OTHER games. But now there is this site, which indexes the latest three games being hyped for their English releases.


 * In general, the English sites are worth ignoring, if they exist at all, because the Japanese sites already provide tons of resources for general use. And they are basically THE closest-to-primary-source thing that can exist on the internet.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 13:44, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the information about the websites. I still need to add those games we're missing on the main page. I pretty much have most images categorized appropriately at this point. I'm currently bulldozing through the horror that is this page. So much has been dumped into this category, and it's not divided into any subcategories at all. I encountered a similar problem with the "ToS Images" category, which I was able to fully convert into how it's supposed to be. But yeah, I'm not even going in any particular order with this category - just scrolling up and down through the images and categorizing here and there since most have appropriate categories elsewhere now. It will take a while, to say the least. It's a massive category. It's pretty much the last one I have to organize though, as I'm done with the others. After I'm finished with this one, I'll hunt down image files that have been categorized in bizarre locations - like I said before, I'm pretty positive I know where most are, seeing as how I may have even put them there.

After these two tasks, the massive "Gameplay Images" category and hunting down remote image files, all images on the wiki should be categorized appropriately. Then we can begin the slow, progressive, and much larger task of providing descriptions and sources, or even re-uploading the image entirely, if necessary. I don't imagine it will be as difficult once everything is where it's supposed to be. I'm literally guessing it could be a long-term project, where we focus on one category or subcategory at a time. No biggie. When we get to that point, we can do things your way. I've been doing things my way for now because (1) I'm the one taking the time to do all this and (2) it's quicker and easier to do things the way I'm doing at this point. By that, I mean that I'm really just trying to get everything where it belongs, and sometimes it's more convenient for me to mask sources in a consistent manner as I'm on one of my edit sprees. So yeah. I don't mind doing this at all, however. In fact, I've been multitasking with other projects of mine in the process. I have a feeling that once this image project is completed, or at least mostly completed, organization and ease of access will increase. The wiki's infrastructure will experience a sigh of relief, so to speak. From here, we can monitor all images uploaded to the wiki so that things don't get out of hand again.

Arosia (talk) 21:37, May 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * I definitely appreciate your efforts. This is the sort of thing I was very reluctant to do myself since I knew how time consuming it would be to reorganize the whole image infrastructure. The sad thing is that I always said it was something I would do since years ago, and it was made into reality by someone else. I feel inadequate lol. ( ._.);;


 * I have a couple of questions regarding your category naming scheme. Since you are clearing out that "Gameplay Images" category (which I think was used as a dump category primarily by Juan Ma), I notice that you introduced a new "Game Images" category and sorted the various gameplay images for each game category there. Is there a purpose for keeping both "Game Images" and "Gameplay Images" categories? I prefer "Gameplay Images" as a name, even for the subcats. Same with "ToWhatevs Cut-in Images" rather than "ToWhatevs Cut-ins" just due to personal word choice. I didn't comment on these before now because I'm already letting you decide whatever works best for you, and I'm willing to adjust. Also, minor beef, but DotNW categories should be using "ToS DotNW" rather than "ToS Dawn" for consistency with existing templates and list-type pages. Actually, I'd be using "ToS:DotNW" and colons everywhere else as applied normally for game titles but again, all of these are not that big of a deal as long as everything is categorized in a way that is easily navigated.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 22:42, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

"Game Images", as you can see here, is a subcategory under "Character Images" that is strictly being used for in-game images of characters (clear shots of characters intended for appearance depictions), seeing as how for many characters, there's no official artwork, cut-ins, status images, etc. My goal in doing this is attempting to cut down on what all is categorized in "Gameplay Images", and when it's broken into subcategories, it will be done in the manner of "[game acronym] Gameplay", such as in this case, which you can consider a prototype for the rest of the games. As of now, I'm merely picking out images that need to be categorized elsewhere, since as you said, "Gameplay Images" became a literal dump after so long.

As for "[game acronym] Cut-ins" instead of "[game acronym] Cut-in Images", I actually did this to avoid redundancy, seeing as how the category will appear this way:

Category:Cut-in Images
 * Subcategory: [game acronym] Cut-ins
 * Subcategory: [game acronym] Cut-ins
 * Subcategory: [game acronym] Cut-ins
 * etc.

I tried to avoid stating "images" in subcategories since I figured it was obvious, but I see your point of how it will appear on other pages. This can always be adjusted later. I understand that this has become an issue of something you wanted to eventually do and probably had ideas in mind, and I just came in and started doing it my own way. So yeah, sorry for that. Really wasn't my intention. Everything you're saying I completely understand, as it's things I've taken into consideration along the way. "Oh, I should've done this that way" and "Oh, maybe I shouldn't have done that this way", etc.

As for "DotNW" instead of "Dawn", that was a mistake on my part. I essentially began it that way and didn't really pay much attention to it until later, when it was too late, and consistency would have been lost. If you haven't noticed, I have major OCD. This is the same in the case of failing to use colons (I knew someone would point this out lol). It's literally something I didn't start doing, so I couldn't force myself to begin doing it differently halfway through. I'm perfectly willing for it to be change, but oh the effort it would require...

Arosia (talk) 23:21, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Also, to be fair about the colon thing, this page had two categories that existed before I even began this process, and they were without colons in their titles. I pretty much used those as a basis for the others I created. But yeah, I now realize how inconsistent it is with the rest of the wiki. I really wish there were some sort of bot that could change it all for us.

Arosia (talk) 03:19, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

^ Just realized those two categories were for different versions of their respective games, so the second acronym listed was the console, not a subtitle. In other words, yeah, I goofed. Oh well. I'm going to finish sorting "Gameplay Images" and hunting down randomly placed image files. Once that is complete, we can observe how everything is sorted and plan a course of action to take from there.

Arosia (talk) 21:08, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Update: The image project is largely complete at this point, although there is still plenty of things that can be done. Categorization has been adjusted according to our standards on the wiki, as well as for clarity's sake. Navigation is as simple and straightforward as it can be. At this point in time, I'm sporadically deleting images here and there to clear some of the crap that infested the wiki's image infrastructure up until the point I became an admin. I've kept many images as well - renaming, describing, citing (in bulleted citation style, per your request), and ensuring that the images are placed on the appropriate pages in proper format has been taken into account. I've attempted to essentially sync all pertinent artwork and images from the official Japanese sites to this wiki. We are pretty much caught up now, and several images that should have been uploaded long ago or perhaps fell through the cracks at some point are now here, cited, categorized, etc. All incoming images are now carefully monitored so that they have proper file names that can easily be found if searched for and categorized appropriately. Although I stress description and citation, we don't live in a perfect world. This is an ongoing process for many other images on the wiki as well. All in due time. To conclude this conversation, the wiki's image infrastructure is now in much better condition.

Arosia (talk) 08:25, September 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Absolutely. I see that the images are much more organized and identifiable now. I kept putting this thing off for so long that the bad stuff kept accumulating, and I never actually bothered to purge those things that people had uploaded contrary to our citation rules even though I often tell them I would do so within 24 hours. I appreciate your effort with this. Just keep in mind that images from the older games and handheld games will sometimes be lacking in quality (usually high pixelization/blockyness) because that's just how the games appear in reality, especially badly developed games like Tales of the Tempest. But of course these uploads originally lacked a source so I find it justified that the recent ones were removed anyway.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 14:32, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

Quick question
Is it against the guidelines to delete text from your own talk page? Zelos Wilder (Talk) 15:07, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

No, but it is discouraged, as these conversations should be kept for archival purposes. Also know that these conversations remain in your talk page's history, so they can be seen and referenced at any time. If you're intending on deleting your warning for plagiarism, keep in mind that it doesn't negate its effect, and I can always move the conversation to my talk page, where you wouldn't be allowed to remove it.

Arosia (talk) 16:59, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Just asking because I wondered why you didn't erase your old "Moviebaby" post.

Zelos Wilder (Talk) 12:46, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Those posts will remain for archival purposes. Anyone who has been around for a while knows those posts are mine, and I've provided brief notices on both my user profile and talk page of my name change.

Arosia (talk) 20:07, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

And also, how did you change your username? Zelos Wilder 13:59, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Username change requests can be submitted here.

Arosia (talk) 19:00, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Lucky 15,000 edits
Topic. Zelos Wilder 23:54, May 22, 2014 (UTC) Talk

Help
I tried to make a Solomus profile, and I needed help with the CharInfo. Kikonu 15:12, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Let me stop you right there. First of all, your image upload has been deleted. Google Images is not a valid source, and you even had the audacity to list it as your source. Stop uploading images that you have no right to use. Second, I already told you that creating new pages is not a priority. What is a priority right now is fleshing out existing pages. Creating new ones only adds to the already impressive workload we have built up here, of which I am steadily trying to diminish by targeting the wiki's infrastructure first. I guarantee you Mayu's response will be little to no different than my own.

Arosia (talk) 20:32, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Also, I fixed one of your paragraphs on Lloyd's page, but I removed the other since I can tell you're blatantly ignoring MoS rules, including linking at first mention (and then not again) and avoiding writing in conversational style. Not to mention, you're skipping around in the story, omitting crucial portions. In other words, I'd advise against spewing too much information at once, or you'll find your efforts will be in vain. I don't have the time or patience to deal with it. That being said, your writing style isn't terrible, but with all the things that need to be done around here, I can't afford to allow more and more edits like these showing up as nuances later. I have my limits to what I will accept. You'll see that I have been gracious enough to tweak your writing up until this point. Pay close attention to those tweaks and keep them in mind for future reference, applying them when necessary. But if you're going to be writing Lloyd's story for his primary role, do so comprehensively. There are events that occur before the group travels to Hakonesia Peak.

Arosia (talk) 20:55, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'll try to go over the story again, because I was looking too much in the sequel and it caused me to forget about the first game. Also, do you use a certain button to sign your post? Kikonu 00:45, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

No, I just type four tildes (~) at the end of each of my posts.

Arosia (talk) 01:06, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Done, essentially
Finally finished sorting through "Gameplay Images". Prior to that, I performed the image file hunt and believe I found all the "missing" ones. They're categorized appropriately now. Granted, this is only the first image sweep, and I'm considering it complete. I'd like for you to poke your head around the categories and observe how I've sorted everything. There are a few things I regret doing a particular way, but it's manageable and certainly better than it was. Anything we do in the future that concerns image files should be much easier, and if another, slower yet progressive sweep is required, I'll be happy to help. Perhaps then we can devise a better system, particularly one that involves tweaking existing category names and providing descriptions/sources for more image files. Re-uploading certain image files may also be necessary. In the meantime, things should be fine. I doubt I will ever do something like that again (not that I would really have to with how much more organized it is now). A category-by-category (as mentioned, slow yet progressive) sweep would be ideal. Anyway, that's all.

Arosia (talk) 06:36, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Turns out I missed some. Now I'm done. inb4notreally. Anyway, I also replied a few times above ^ in our other conversation, but my mass of edits may have prevented you from being able to notice. I'm going to bed now.

Arosia (talk) 08:38, May 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * I noticed, no worries. Lack of comment doesn't mean I didn't see it, only that there is nothing for me to say, or the given topic is dumb and deserves no attention, or my access to the internet dies for one reason or another. You've done so much, and everything relating to images should be much easier to handle from now on, as long as future uploads are monitored. Any existing problems can be remedied during future passes. As for when we should start those future passes, first take a break from dealing with these images. You'll burn yourself out more than I have if you continue at this rate, haha.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 11:10, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Request for help
Hello. I'm Amaterasu4. In wikipedia I'm known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tintor2 Tintor and I managed to create two Tales characters articles by working the character's popularities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_fon_Fabre and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Lowell

While I'm familiar with Tales of the Abyss, I haven't played Vesperia so I have no knowledge about it. If you had the time, could you expand Yuri's appearances section to explain briefly what he does across the story? Use Luke's article as a model if you need guidance. Any doubt ask me. Regards and good work in the wikia.Amaterasu4 (talk) 21:15, May 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Dude, good luck, and I hope for your sake that Wikipedia will not remove those articles, because it's fairly likely that they will. These characters are not particularly relevant to popular culture and do not have a strong fanbase unless you focus on the vocal minority (like MLP). Tales itself is nowhere beyond a niche series in English-speaking countries. This makes such articles extremely irrelevant on that site, and their info might as well just be collapsed into their respective games. Even Wikipedia JP does not have articles on them, and this is the only likely place where such articles would be acceptable due to the popularity of Tales in Japan... which only goes to show that Wikipedia users in Japan do not see the importance of their characters over more relevant video game icons. In fact, if any Tales char would ever get an article, it would be Leon only and forever. Because fujoshi. And to be honest, I wouldn't bother with what's on Wikipedia or any other site, since Aselia content is what matters on Aselia. We have our own problems to fix locally, and we are not going to handle things beyond our scope of focus on an entirely different site. With that said, good luck and enjoy what you are doing.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 23:39, May 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * I see. Still, editors from the project say that there is a good deal of reception to keep the article. Yuri in particular has as much reception as a Final Fantasy character so they are hopefully being kept. I guess I've gotta play Vesperia sooner if I want to expand appearances. Regards.Amaterasu4 (talk) 19:29, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Is somebody Hacking your Profile?
What the hell did you do? Why did you put Asbel's page back to normal!? Kikonu (Talk) 18:02, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Because your writing style is shit, and you're fucking up the categories on every single page you edit. Don't edit war, especially with an admin. I've reverted your edits, and you'd be wise to avoid that page altogether.

Arosia (talk) 21:08, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not giving up on that page. I don't know how I'm messing with categories, but it's not intentional.

Kikonu (Talk) 22:47, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Everything is already categorized, so whenever you add categories to a page, you're essentially duplicating them.

Arosia (talk) 00:28, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

I didn't add anything recently.

Kikonu (Talk) 00:29, June 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * You are a liar, and every edit you've made looks perfectly intentional to me. Stop touching the categories. And don't try to get images from any public user-uploaded source or search engine. Obviously images from other wiki sites, GameFAQs and similar places, Imageshack/Tumblr/Facebook/etc, and any of the ***booru or *chan sites/imageboards are not allowed. Youtube anythings are never allowed. Get images either directly from the official websites (and cite them!), one of our affiliates (and cite them!), some other website that has granted express permission for using their images here (and cite them!), or a non-user-upload website that explicitly says permission is not necessary (and cite them!). And by "cite", I want the -exact- URL link to the image from the source itself. Alternatively, it can be a direct feed image taken from games that you own, or scans from print materials that you own, as long as you cite that fact and the image is of good quality.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 01:49, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

It's useless to waste my time here. Bye-Bye. And I was being stupid. Instead of starting arguments, I could be saving time.

Kikonu (Talk) 11:23, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

Astaria or Asteria?
Um, I don't know if you know about this or not, but I'm confused whether it should be written Astaria or Asteria. In the Japanese ver, it is spelled "asutaria", but view translation spelled it as Asteria. Which one is the right one? I want to fix the main page.

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 03:07, June 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * http://asteria.tales-ch.jp/


 * Just becuse the katakana implies a different spelling, it does not mean the game is intended to be spelled that way. Always look for an official translation if possible, which does exist in this case, then if that fails, defer to the practice of searching for possible translations (as in actual words in whatever language) that match the possible intent of a given set of kana characters. Don't use machine translations.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 11:41, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Gotcha. Thanks!

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 14:13, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Apology
I owe you an apology for starting crap to. Sorry.

Kikonu (Talk) 15:18, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Images
Is it allowed to get an image from a forum?

Kikonu (Talk) 18:04, June 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * Do you have explicit permission to use the image from the user who uploaded it? If your answer is no, then my answer is no. Besides, it is always best to get images from as close to the original source as possible, which are the actual games, magazine/book scans, and official websites. Things posted on a forum likely have been all over the internet, meaning the original place where the person got it from is unknown. Of course, if it is the user's own screenshots or scans and he/she says so, then the image can be used here as long as permission is granted by that person.


 * Also, Behindthevoiceactors is a community-edited website, and they have been wrong in the past. One of these times involves a Tales character. I still remember that particular incident. So this is not a valid source, like IMDB or any other similar site that involves public user contributions. Ideally, information on voice acting should always come directly from the person involved or his/her employers. Things like a voice actor's personal website, public resume, interviews, and recorded acknowledgements of voicing a character are what qualifies for valid sources, since these are undebatable and cannot simply be claimed by people's hearing capabilities, like certain others try to do even here.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 22:13, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

What if someone finds a loophole by putting the pic on the forum, and gives him/herself permission?

Kikonu (Talk) 11:21, June 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * There is no loophole, are you dense? If you posted the image, you have to cite where you got it from. We are not imbeciles who would fail to notice that your "source" is yourself on another website, even if you try to use a different username. Any image that is posted on a forum has to come from somewhere, and if that somewhere fails to meet our specific criteria to prevent copyright issues, then that image is just as worthless as any other you've been uploading. And if it -does- meet our criteria, then why did you not get that image directly from that valid source in the first place (and cite it!)? I already said that images should always come from as close to the original source as possible. The fewer hands that touch the image, the better.


 * What, do you want more specific qualifiers to prevent people like you from being idiots? Fine. If the image comes from YOUR own game, then you have the right to upload images directly to Aselia as long as you state that fact, as you will be uploading the images automatically under the Creative Commons CC-BY-SA license. But we can tell if you're lying or not about things coming from games that you own, and you already have a record. If an image comes from a forum, the user who uploaded it ideally should indicate where the image came from, so you can get the image from THAT source and ignore the forum completely! But if that image comes from that person's own game, then you need explicit permission for its use here. If that image from a forum has no indication of its origin, it would be sensible to ask the uploader about where it came from. If you cannot trace its origin, or the uploader does not know, you probably shouldn't bother touching that image anymore. If the image came from anything that is blacklisted, it gets an INSTANT DELETE, even if it ended up on a forum. The fact that it is posted on a forum does not validate its existence or usage here.


 * To be honest, none of this even needs to be said. It is all common sense, just like how your question should have had an expected answer based on how strict our rules on this matter always have to be. The fact that you raised the question means you lack common sense, which means I don't want you anywhere near our images from now on.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 13:33, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

I'll stick to editing storylines until I find a good camera. Also, I won't edit Asbel anymore.

Kikonu (Talk) 13:59, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Regarding ToL: Bridge Location Page
I've been working on filling out Location pages (most recently Legendia) and I was wondering if I could work on the Bridge page. I saw the notice on how you deleted it a few years back, but I was wondering if I could maybe flesh it out with some in-depth details like the "Battle of Bridge Plain" for example? I just feel a need to complete the list since almost all of the ToL locations are filled out now, but just give me a response on whether or not I should do it, no rush. --XZone (talk) 01:50, June 12, 2014 (UTC)XZone

Don't bother asking for permission. Just do what you need to do, and we'll make any necessary edits.

Arosia (talk) 02:44, June 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Indeed, no permission is needed. Just make sure any page creations start out with a decent level of effort put into them, rather than just a few token sentences that explain little to nothing about the topic. This tends to be what most new pages turned out to be, which is why they get deleted because it's as if nothing exists regardless of if there is a page or not. As long as you actually create articles that have enough detailed content to be worth keeping, there will be no problem.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 11:43, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Victor
SPOILERS AHEAD.

Um, should we make a page for Victor in ToX2? But since (SPOILERS)coughhescoughludgercoughincoughthecoughfuturecough (END) Should direct him to his page, or should we make a new one?

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 02:19, June 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Victor is a different character from Ludger. Yes, they are the same person, but their lives run very different routes after a certain point of divergence in Ludger's story, much like Milla Maxwell and Milla NotMaxwell. I forget what that point is in Victor's case, just that Elle's kidnapping by Bisley led to Victor going on a murderous rampage (not unlike the Julius good end), except he personally kills Julius too, absorbing his power to become strong enough to roflstomp Bisley. I think I remember that he started to go mad once he realized that one of the last time factors is in himself, and that his world is therefore a duplicate of the "real" Ludger even though he had done the exact same journey to find the time factors of the duplicate worlds of -his- duplicate world, which is why he allowed his actual daughter Elle, born and raised after the death of the Elle who came to him from the future, to go back in time to get his "real" self to become involved in this whole spacetime multiverse shenanigans to begin with.


 * In any case, Victor is already an independent character from the Ludger who is controlled by the player, meaning they should have separate articles since playable Ludger does not necessarily become similar to Victor in the Ralle good end. I was actually thinking about writing my own article on Victor before, but then I realized that I would likely never finish it, since I still have a lot of things on my backlog including unfinished/unpublished articles for Reid and Meredy, Vesperia arte list updates with damage formulas, and so on. That, and my motivation for anything Aselia-related is not exactly exemplary these days.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 11:43, June 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * And holy crap, I actually saved my article on Victor, date modified 2013-01-19. I'm not sure I want to post this thing, but it's basically complete. @_@;;


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 12:08, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Haha! Why don't you post it? I'll try to edit it and put more information since I've watched the walkthrough and understand some Japanese.

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 01:26, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

(Amazing) Zelos
Should I rearrange his page instead of editing it? His ToS Dotnw story is in other appearances, which should be in history. Some of his personality is in history, which should be in appearance and personality.

Kikonu (Talk) 23:34, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Time Constraints
I have been working on the ToL Tools list, but due to time limits on my end, I'm only able to do maybe one or two items per day (if not every two days) and after seeing your recent edit (I'm not criticizing, mind you) I just want to say that it will take time for me to completely finish the list. I'll try to do more if I can, but I just thought I'd let you know, just in case of misunderstandings. --XZone (talk) 14:46, June 30, 2014 (UTC)XZone

Milla
That picture was actually in the game. When Milla sacrificed herself.

Avocx (Talk) 13:18, July 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * But you did not screenshot it from the game. Stop pretending that you were uploading something that actually comes from the game itself. That image even had the background text from the original image from our wiki which you manipulated with an image editor, meaning you just manually converted Milla's shape into pixelated black color. This is not acceptable, and with everything else you keep doing to ruin this wiki's quality, my patience with you had been at zero for a long while now. Do not try this again. Even if you remove the background text this time, any other upload you make will be deleted because you have proven time and again that you cannot be trusted with providing images taken from as close to a primary source as possible. And therefore I recommend that any future upload of any image whatsoever by you should be classified automatically as spam.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 13:27, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll stop. No more images.

Avocx (Talk) 14:12, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

My Kitchen Blew Up, So to Speak
In regard to my (ahem) messy writing of the ToL Food page, I must SINCERELY apologize for this. As soon as I finished the first row, my info got out of order and I had to write another column just to make it stable (The next item moved to the right space when I moved down a column, so I panicked a little. Believe me, I wouldn't have done it unless I had to.) Also, I'll take your recent critique and try to save my work should I find myself unable to finish it. I hope this doesn't strain your nerves any further than necessary, and again I must apologize for the mess I've made. --XZone (talk) 22:18, July 5, 2014 (UTC)XZone

Saw your note on the Recent Changes, and yes, I used the same pages as the Tools one. --XZone (talk) 02:27, July 6, 2014 (UTC)XZone

Disambiguations
In an edit summary for ToG - Magic Carta you said: "I can agree with that. However, I really don't like having dedicated pages for disambiguation (notice how few we had before today). The italicized messages at the top of name-conflicting pages should be enough for anyone literate enough to read them." Can you tell me why do you prefer to avoid disambigs? Is it possibly to make it easier when linking to articles and not having editors to worry about possible tags that may be available? Also, I noticed that "Alvin" redirect to "Alvin (Tales of Xillia)": this redirect is mainly because the other Alvin's game is not available overseas in English, right? Just wondering.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 14:00, July 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Basically, yes. The disambiguations will end up bloating the page count without actually reflecting available content, like stubs in general, and a fairly concise but easily understood explanation can be provided at the top of the pages that are affected by same name issues. Honestly, the same name thing tends to be an English localization problem, but indeed, the Alvin thing is probably a bad oversight by Namdai JP in that the Xillia devs forgot about Tales of Commons. So the Alvin name redirects to the Xillia guy because he is more recognized as a recent and non-cellphone game character, and not a lot of translated info exists about Alvin from Commons anyway. The page for Alicia might as well redirect to the new Zestiria character for the same reason, once the game comes to release. In any case, dedicated disambig pages are not especially necessary since most cases where they might apply actually relate to individual artes which fall into the same name issue due to bad localization occurrences, and having another set of pages to serve as disambiguation forks will only cause further duplication of page names and general confusion, as opposed to linking directly to the pages with their actual titles when they are relevant.


 * Also, no links or formatting in headers. This is in the Manual of Style, and the reasoning is due to browser accessibility issues with html header tags, which MediaWiki code simply masks in symbolic form. It was a painstaking process to remove these links from headers, and I do not want to see them reintroduced to this site.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 14:24, July 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * So in general they try to avoid characters sharing names between games? If you say so then I accept your answer; after all I'm still new to the series so you're much more knowledgable about it than me. Also about the article count: on my Final Fantasy Fandom Wiki I use code from FFWiki which helps track the number of articles with the exclusing of the disambigs. You can see the code here: link (BTW: I noticed that you have " " where the template  appears to be an inexistant template.)
 * Oh, sorry for the header formating. Is there anything notable I should be aware of?
 * Also, should I redirect "Alicia" to Zestiria character and place a note on top of that character's page? Or should I just revert to it being a redirect to Symphonia character like it was before since Zestiria Alicia is not an official English name and I noticed that the localisation staff for Tales of series likes to alternate names?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 15:16, July 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * To be honest, at the moment I don't really have that much of an issue against disambigs, as long as they don't pop up for everything possible that 'might' be related in some way, even circumstantially. I'm willing to leave it up to discussion. I just have a personal aversion to it, but I suppose I can be persuaded if others agree to it. Notes at the top of pages should always be added regardless of the situation.


 * Indeed, Tales char names are usually intended to be different to avoid conflict with other existing chars, and situations like the similarity between Karell, Karol, and Karyl are usually avoided (with the latter 'Karyl' actually being a localized name change from 'Johnny' for whatever reason, which pre-dated the other two). Granted, the series has been growing big and bloated for a long while, and new names are starting to become annoyingly similar to other existing ones, like Alicia C., Alice, Arsia, and Alicia. For the new Alicia, as far as I have been able to find, the only "official" JP rendering that I can find for her name is "Ari", which is obviously going to be rejected by the broader English community as much as I'd like to change it to that. The kana used for her name is undoubtedly meant to be read as Alicia anyway, with "Ari" as her nickname, unless Namco Hometek decides to change it to Arosia (lol). "Alicia" can already redirect to the new character in the meantime, since she lacks a last name whereas the older Alicia has a proper surname. Both Alvins don't even have that, though the alternative way to refer to the newer Alvin is actually a bit spoiler-ish and isn't even used in official promotional materials or in-game menu screens anyway.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 15:44, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

The kana used for her name is undoubtedly meant to be read as Alicia anyway, with "Ari" as her nickname, unless Namco Hometek decides to change it to Arosia (lol).

XD

Anywho, I'm fine with using disambigs sparingly for commonly related things, but as Mayu stated, they should not be created in excess. I also agree that our primary source of disambig should remain the notes we include at the top of certain pages. The disambig pages that have been created recently look fine to me. As for the others that Mayu stated already existed, I may take a peek. If we do have this system implemented in certain cases, I'd like for it to be done in a consistent pattern.

Arosia (talk) 16:54, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

Jiao
Why was Jiao deleted?

Avocx (Talk) 11:46, July 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * The same reasons as any other page that gets deleted. Go away.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 13:01, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

No. Why were the other ones deleted?

Avocx (Talk) 13:04, July 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Page creations with little to no information in complete ignorance of existing stubs, bad writing quality with misinformation or duplicated text from existing sources, and spam/vandalism. You have been guilty of all three of these. In this particular case, someone thought it would be funny to publish a literal blank page, which was then, as you see in the deletion comment, marked for deletion and then deleted. Go away.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 13:10, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

Xillia Tools
I'm not sure if changing 'Treasure' to 'Chest' is accurate since not all of an area's treasure in Xillia is found in chests. Some are found in bags plastered around the area, so calling it 'Treasure' instead might be a bit more accurate.

MabiEditor (talk) 23:50, July 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * I was using that for consistency, and I wasn't aware of how world loot is found in this game. Are these bag things functionally distinct from chests, at least enough to label them as a separate thing? This can reduce horizontal width a bit, which is a good thing.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 00:44, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Ehh, they're really no different from chests. I just figured we could start using "Treasure" as an all-encompassing term for overworld spoils in case future tales games follow Xillia's suit.

MabiEditor (talk) 01:22, July 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Then what counts as a treasure chest for the "Treasure Treasurer" achievement? If there is to be a distinction or not, this will determine it.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 02:04, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think the main difference is that search points/bags (the loot ones) have only a probability of spawning but regenerate, while treasure chests always spawn but can only be obtained once. Lanate (talk) 13:10, July 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * So if this is the case, there is indeed a distinction between the two things. I was waiting for some kind of reply from MabiEditor in confirmation or rebuttal, and I still do not know which of the things currently labeled under "Chest" more accurately fall under "Treasure". Or maybe someone here is misunderstanding something (probably me)?


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 12:40, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

PSX/FVE/iOS Item Pages
Is it all right if I go back and remove the iOS # from the item pages as long as the # there is explicitly listed as PSX? I got to the accessories and remembered that FVE removed the Channeling accessory for obvious reasons, and I think the three number columns make it look like a mess, as (as far as I can tell) future releases only ever removed items. Lanate (talk) 17:41, August 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * That should be fine.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 21:42, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Removing the ability to move/rename pages for non-admins
It's possible. I just need you to, if you could, provide me with a solid list of reasons why we would like this function disabled for non-admins on our wiki. I could create a list on my own, but I figured you'd have more to say on the matter. I'll handle the rest.

Arosia (talk) 21:46, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, ignore this. I already made the request.

Arosia (talk) 06:42, September 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the recent lack of replies. I believe I did say at the start of last week that I had a very busy month to take care of, especially given what things needed to be done irl into the late hours of the morning. The only reason I have time to check and post things right now is because there is a literal typhoon hovering over my head, cancelling a lot of things that should have been handled by today. Brief respite before the storm continues, due to an actual storm if that makes sense. Actually this storm screws me over a lot and tomorrow is going to be a struggle to catch up with all of the flying shit.


 * With regard to why pages should not be moved, this is because many users do not know or understand our naming policies which are already clearly emphasized in our MoS, that most recently used localized names will always take priority over anything else. People have this annoying tendency to move pages to use fan-translated terms or in-progress translations which have no tangible official form until release. People also tend to change character names based on what they prefer (Cless, Luca, etc), in spite of what has existed for years as the chars' official names. And of course, leaving page names open for changing by normal users actually facilitates easier vandalism/spam by people who simply move articles to pages with names that are absurd or offensive, as with the latest vandalism spree. This was not a normal user's power to begin with, and it only became such due to an unannounced change by Wikia which should not have been implemented in the first place. By keeping it admin-only, it helps to safeguard the page titles and prevent uninformed/misguided changes to page names by people who didn't read or deliberately ignore our rules.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 01:57, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Community support
If you could acknowledge the new forum post in some way, if you have the chance of course, I'm sure it will look good when I sent the request in to Wikia Central.

Arosia (talk) 23:51, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re: No.
i hate you trolls ok you have no idea what you are talking about and no proof that they made it Canon  not only that but Manga and books are almost never  Canon in games and i'am very mad right now so all you have is of  people guessing  what they think before the game even came out   and that is not proof just people guessing

Why did you not tell me it was Canon from the start and why did you not post proof that it was canon and you are a admin don't worry the only way i would of edit again is if you are not a admin but you are so i will  not but i would of like it if you would of posted proof thought.

And that most of the books and menga's are not Canon to the games and  seeing that I never saw any proof i fix them until  proof that it was true was up and beside Bisley is more of a antihero then a villain


 * What we consider canon includes supplementary materials, end of story. Your definition of canon may differ, but Mayu explained our policy. Official adaptations like anime and manga may be considered lesser canon compared to the video games and the supplementary materials that directly support them, but they are still official in their own right.


 * We can also argue all day about motivations, actions, and villain/antihero status and whatnot, but Bisley is still an antagonist, which only means that he acts against the protagonists. Lanate (talk) 14:28, October 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Page 727 of the Tales of Xillia 2 Perfect Guide, an official publication sanctioned by Bandai Namco Games Inc. and published by Enterbrain. This is a guide of the actual game, meant as supplementary material to add to the content of the game itself as external information which is not vital to understand the story as a whole. But like any guide book, it fleshes out those details such as Ludger and Julius's mothers and their relation with Bisley for the purpose of adding depth to the story for those who are interested in knowing more about the background. Buy the guide and read the text if you care. It's in Japanese.


 * But you apparently think that if the game doesn't state that Ludger and Julius had mothers, then they never had mothers to begin with and that they were just spontaneously born into the world for the sake of making a video game together. It doesn't make a difference to me. The fact of the matter is that Namco treats this information as official and canon, so therefore it is official and canon, since Word of God surpasses all. If you're telling me that Namco doesn't know what the hell it is commissioning for publication and that it's just creating fanfiction around a game that it published, then consider this: Tales of Xillia 2 is the fanfiction of Tales of Xillia. But since they treat the sequel as an official game anyway, in the same canon as the first game, then we have to treat it and all content surrounding it as official because Namco said so. If you don't like it, too bad, complain to Namco. I mean, I don't like Narikiri Dungeon XXX (sounds soooo kinky!) and I consider it to be disrespectful to the original intention of Wolf Team when they created the classic Tales of Phantasia, but Namco is using it to override the original canon because they feel like doing so, and because they can, and because we can't stop them.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 14:33, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Narikiri Dungeon XXX that is the first i heard of that  and it sounds weird and odd

and   the reason i deleted that stuff is because i have not seen proof that it was Canon that is all and i never saw any thing of the people that made the games said it was Canon

So, in other words, you were removing information blindly just because you weren't aware of it. Although your grammar/blatant ignorance speaks for itself, we're not the trolls in this situation. Now that you have been thoroughly warned and two admins have wasted their time explaining it to you, you will refrain from removing the content again.

Also, Mayu, where did you learn such witchcraft? For years, I've been putting their usernames in parenthesis whenever they don't sign their posts. >.<

Arosia (talk) 18:58, October 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * I saw that we had the template, and I wanted to try using it since you didn't get to it already. :3c Actually I veiguely remember that Imaginationac was using it before to sign comments for others but I never realized what template it was.


 * Oh, and since Namco was involved in the making of the Perfect Guide, that is enough to show that they consider it to be canon to the Xilliaverse. Namco was involved in making Katararezaru Rekishi, therefore it is canon to the Phantasiaverse (but Londrine's very existence causes problems to the continuity now). Namco was involved in making Shiro no Ashita, therefore it is canon to Tales of the Abyss. Namco was involved in making the Tales of Fandom games, therefore Primula is canon to Tales of Eternia and Cantabile is canon to Tales of the Abyss. Whether they say in interviews "haaay grotz diz be cannon becuz moar dakka iz awzum" or not, our policies regarding what is classified as canon as far as we are concerned are clearly stated in our MoS, which I already linked to you on your talk page. But if you want to tl;dr: if it's official and from Namco, it's canon. The games only take precedence when conflicts occur, but there are no conflicts here.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 22:51, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

i think this is the only wiki that takes stuff like that Canon and why did it not come out in english


 * Nah, you just don't go to enough wikis. And the cost and effort to translate and release that huge hunk of text far outweighs the benefits if they even had a desire to. Lanate (talk) 02:46, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

i mean you are the only wiki that put the books and menga as Canon with not proof that the people that made the games side it is Canon   and the translate think i have seen before some people  translate some thing then if a other person translate the same thing it is not the same

what i was saying from the very being is that i want to see proof that Lodger is Bisley son but you never game me any proof so are you just going by fan ficts or a guess or do you have the proof i'am looking for

If you post one more time on this matter, you will receive your first ban on the basis of spam. You have been provided the information you seek, so any and all subsequent attempts of acting as if you are the solitary authority on credibility are unnecessary, redundant, and ultimately unsolicited, i.e., spam. You will cease and desist such activity immediately.

Arosia (talk) 19:00, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

the link you send me as proof is in Japan i only know English and when i translateed it it was not even talking about the game it was talking about stuff that is not even related to this wiki and i'am not spamming i have seen people spam before and i'am not spamming all i was doing was being nice and friendly but you are acting like a little kid well then i have to get going hope you have a nice day

Unfortunately for you, I wasn't joking. Your first ban shall be for one week.

Also, Mayu, I think it may be time to archive your talk page again. If you want, I can do it for you and use the archival template.

Arosia (talk) 22:56, November 12, 2014 (UTC)