Forum:Arte Page Header Names

And now, the reason why I'm changing all of those header names in the first place. I'm working on the Grappler/Fighter class for ToEO, and it uses the same combo system that Farah and Regal have in their original games. The actual attack category names are listed on the archived wiki site, and they match what is shown on Regal's arte page for Symphonia, so I'm assuming Farah's attack type names are mostly the same.

First, the romanization of these category names. This site lists all sorts of terms and char/arte/item/even music tracklist names throughout the series, along with their hiragana equivalents as a reference for pronounciation, and sometimes the appearances/descriptions/requirements for each instance of their appearance in each game, similar to what we do here. This site is rather difficult to navigate because the alphabetical listings are way too large, but I picked out a few things that are relevant to us.


 * 地上技 [ちじょうわざ] (ground)
 * 対空技 [たいくうわざ] (anti-air)
 * 空中技 [くうちゅうわざ] (midair)
 * 強打技 [きょうだわざ] (Farah's "power" artes)

This means that they should be rendered as Chijuu-waza and so on. And if the pattern holds, then Kaifuku-waza and Tokushu-waza would have to be the same, just like how Hissatsu-waza exists in other games. (Yes I'll add the dash for this in Tempest now.) I always thought that "Kaifukugi" never made sense as a word in the first place, so I guess this makes me happy. This site doesn't show anything for Graces A-style names, but I found that Kakutougi is an actual word, and yesterday I changed all of those pages to reflect the "gi" suffix. Now that I think of it, the word Kakutougi probably should be ignored, and then the dash should be added to separate the different kanji readings, since everything else doesn't really follow suit as a legitimate word.

The site also says nothing about "Kengi", "Jutsukengi", "Henka Jutsugi", and other similar classifications in Destiny PS2. I'm leaning towards changing them to fit with this pattern as well, and after all, Vesperia uses "Skill Henkawaza" (or at least, that's what I have written and no one ever argued with it), so "Henka Jutsu-waza" makes some sense. The dash probably would need to be added to Vesperia's pages too, if we're going to be consistent. (Yes "Kenjutsu" is still very wrong, and completely my mistake, and we'll never go back to it.)

Now for the things that end in "jutsu", does anyone think we should add a dash to them too? Normally I'd be against it since it is usually part of a fully on-yomi set of kanji readings, but it might be acceptable on pages like Graces arte lists, which would look weird without it due to the primary styles that will use the dash in "-waza". This might be extended to tier-based magic rank names (Joukyuu-jutsu?), as long as the "jutsu" isn't part of a compound term (Shoujutsu, Tenjutsu).

And finally, why am I switching the order of the Japanese names and the English equivalents? It's that word again: consistency. We do it with every arte list entry for unlocalized games, and I've been trying to shift things this way for months now, at least since whenever it was that I started making the arte pages for the Mobile games. I started reversing the name order on the costume lists for the NariDan games at around the same time, if you might remember. The thing is, I keep getting distracted with other things that I forget to actually make those changes, so I'm doing it now on several pages so everyone can keep it in mind when they make future edits. Because if I don't do these things now, I'll only forget again... just as I'm sure I'm forgetting something now.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:56, January 19, 2010 (UTC)