User talk:Lanate

Tales of the World: Reve Unitia Arte Pages
So I found a Japanese Wiki which lists TotW:TU's character artes and made base for the arte list for Cress: link I'd like your input on it since we should get arte lists for that game at some point.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:36, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Just pointing out that Lanate is on vacation and will not be back until the end of the month.

Arosia (talk) 02:44, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, didn't know that. Thanks for mentioning that. Maybe you have something you'd like to say about the WIP arte page, Arosia?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:09, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

That's Lanate's jurisdiction, so I'm fine with whatever input he has or decisions he makes in that regard.

Arosia (talk) 03:08, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it looks fine, but I'd move the AP Cost to the outside. When we design column-type pages, we typically put information related to requirements (costs, level) at the outer edge of the table. I think ToP SFC - Cress Albane: Artes has the closest column sorting to this. Lanate (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * All right I made the suggested change: link is this fine? If so, I'll gradually add arte lists for TotW:RU.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 00:06, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that's fine, though I believe that Reve Unitia should share a template with Tactics Union. Lanate (talk) 03:55, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Arte categories
When you get back, I'd like your help in outlining what constitutes an arte being categorized in a particular arte category. Some can be vague, and I want all users to clearly be able to understand how they should categorize arte pages. This will also be useful for when we need to reference such criteria easily, either for other users or our own benefit (me, mainly).

Arosia (talk) 19:54, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Back, but kind of groggy. Basically we have a bunch of defined categories listed on Aselia:Arte Category Order, and if an arte can fit in them, then we add them. We don't include a category if it fits within a subcategory, but it can fit into as many subcategories as necessary. We also tend to lump together if they're very close to each other in all but name.


 * Hm, I'd argue that the Seraphic Artes category is more equivalent to the spells category than a subset, and its offensive and healing versions are actually clearly delineated within the game (they have different casting markers). You could argue the same with Force magic artes:
 * Force Sorcery would be Offensive
 * Force Ritual would be Support
 * Fusionic Force Sorcery would be both Offensive and Arcane
 * Fusionic Force Climate would be both Support and Arcane


 * Lanate (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. You can feel free to change that list based on what you think is best. I trust your reasoning when it comes to artes. We should have everything clearly defined so that it's easier for me and other users to categorize arte pages appropriately.

Arosia (talk) 04:57, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Edit monitoring
Out of curiosity, were there any edits between last night's activity and your activity this morning? Even loading the past 500 edits doesn't show me lol.

Arosia (talk) 18:29, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * This, this, and the creation of User:Crystal Tear/History of Tales: Part 2 - Pop Goes Tales. Thankfully, I can hide my own edits. Lanate (talk) 18:31, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Lol okay, thanks. Sorry to bother.

Arosia (talk) 18:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Trying to avoid creating too many conversations on your talk page. I'm done. Are you going to do the ToD2 arte list pages, or do you want me to do them?

Arosia (talk) 06:07, December 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Lol, you caught me pretty much when I quit for the night. You can go ahead with them if you want. Lanate (talk) 02:14, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'll do them. Lanate (talk) 02:22, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

So
I'm really impressed with the amount of work that has been done between the two of us recently, and I'm really liking how good the wiki is looking. Thanks for all the work you've done with the templates and arte list pages.

Arosia (talk) 04:48, December 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * And thanks to you too for the work on the images, templates, new arte pages, and general maintenance. Lanate (talk) 05:49, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Question. Do you know who this is official artwork of? I was thinking maybe Leianna, but I find it strange that she would have artwork and others like Fayte and Ilene wouldn't.

Arosia (talk) 01:30, December 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * No clue. I can confirm it's from a Mutsumi Inomata Tales of Destiny page though. Lanate (talk)

It has to be Leianna lol. There's no one else! ...but in all seriousness, the hair color matches, and she's like royalty or something, if I remember correctly. I dunno. I'm currently playing through the game again.

Arosia (talk) 03:19, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Possibly taken from this.

Arosia (talk) 03:24, December 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * It is from it. If you reverse image search it on google, it'll show the full page, except with zero context past the fact that she's from Tales of Destiny. Lanate (talk) 03:25, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I found the page. This and this are the only decent views I can get of her. Oh well.

Arosia (talk) 03:44, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

I thought we only created romanized redirects for artes that are unlocalized in some games, meaning they can be found listed on tables under their romanized names instead of localized names. I'm still learning about arte pages, but yeah, that's why I didn't create redirects for those two—they only appear in ToV. I've probably overlooked that on a few other occasions as well.

Also, do you have any other favorite characters in the series besides Jude (I'm assuming)? I wanted to update the Staff page.

Arosia (talk) 04:16, December 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's more future-proofing than anything else. If a future title uses it, it's a good way to catch it, and there's no real harm there. More just-in-case than anything else.


 * And for favorite characters, I'm just going to toss Sorey, Ludger, Guy, and Cress out there. Lanate (talk) 08:16, December 13, 2015 (UTC)

Untitled
Hello. Can you give me some tips on how to get my Ladle page to look like the other item pages? I'm not very tech-savvy and I thought that with your message that you left me that you could help. And thank you for your offer by the way.

Librat13 (talk) 05:54, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

First of all, that message on your wall from Lanate is auto-generated. He didn't actually post it himself. Second, you shouldn't have created that page if you didn't know how to properly because that leaves the job of formatting it correctly to someone else. If Lanate doesn't fix it for you, I will delete it.

Arosia (talk) 06:39, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * The general idea is to look at another page and just copy its formatting. Lanate (talk) 07:00, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Arte categories
Arte categories tend to be basic enough; as general rule, most categories except top-level categories are explicit categorizations rather than descriptive; some of the magic arte categories once were explicit as well but moved toward descriptive (and I'm still kind of iffy on that).
 * Category:Artes: General arte category. No individual arte should go here; there hasn't been a case where it hasn't been possible to classify something as either strike or magic.
 * Category:Physical Artes‎: Self-explanatory. Anything in here is a strike arte that hasn't been classified deeper.
 * Category:Standard Combo Artes: Contains the Base, Master, and Arcane arte categories; isn't used on it its own.
 * Category:Base Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Tokugi (特技), as well as Hissatsuwaza (必殺技) from Phantasia and Bushinwaza (武身技) from Xillia and Xillia 2.
 * Category:Master Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Higi (秘技), as well as Hissatsuwaza (必殺技) from Tempest
 * Category:Arcane Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Ougi (奥義)
 * Category:Elemental Physical Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as such in a game that includes the category; Jutsukengi (術剣技) and Jutsukyuugi (術弓技) in Destiny PS2 and Shinengi (思念技) in Hearts.
 * Category:Martial Combo Artes: Contains the martial combo artes as used by Farah and Regal.
 * Category:Ground Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Chijougi (地上技)
 * Category:Anti-Air Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Taikuugi (対空技)
 * Category:Midair Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Kuuchuugi (空中技)
 * Category:Special Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Tokushuwaza (特殊技). Is probably going to be moved up one based on Eternia Online and Narikiri Dungeon X.
 * Category:Power Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Kyoudawaza (強打技)
 * Category:Throws: Any strike arte that is derived from the throws in Legendia. Should really be moved up one.
 * Category:Spells: ‎Self-explanatory. Anything in here is a magic arte that hasn't been classified deeper.
 * Category:Novice Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as either Kakyuujutsu (下級術) or Shokyuujutsu (初級術)
 * Category:Intermediate Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as Chuukyuujutsu (中級術)
 * Category:Advanced Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as Joukyuujutsu (上級術)
 * Category:Arcane Magic Artes: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed Ougi (奥義); Xillia and Xillia 2 so far, but Fusionic Force Climate and Fusionic Force Sorcery can fit in here as well.
 * Category:Offensive Spells: Any magic arte with attacking properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Kougekijutsu (攻撃術) or in-game equivalent; Force Sorcery and Fusionic Force Sorcery seem to belong in here
 * Category:Healing Spells: Any magic arte with healing (curative) properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Chiyujutsu (治癒術), Kaifukujutsu (回復術), Kaifukugi (回復技), or in-game equivalent
 * Category:Support Spells: Any magic arte with support (not curative) properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Hojojutsu (補助術) or in-game equivalent
 * Category:Seal Spells: Any magic arte classed as Fujutsu (符術)
 * Category:Formation Artes: Any magic arte classed as Jinjutsu (陣術); originally Force Ritual and Fusionic Force Climate, but Radiant Mythology 3 introduced its own
 * Category:Mystic Artes: Any arte that has been classed a Hi Ougi (秘奥義) or its in-game equivalent like Blast Caliber.
 * Category:Summons: Any arte that summons another create; originally meant for the Spirits but expanded to Jiraiya and Blue Dragon
 * Category:Unique Arte Types: Anything arte class that doesn't fit above


 * Lanate (talk) 03:28, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.

Arosia (talk) 18:45, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

PSX
Hello~

I admit I have fixed the entry on Suzu-chan page a bit in rush (Suzu Fujibayashi). I have later noticed that the error of "PSX" writing is global. Since probably I don't have enough edit power to do it, I would like to leave the note here. PSX is NOT PlayStation ("1"), it's an exclusive PS2 edition with DVD player bundled in one big freaking box. I'm not sure who was silly enough to start that bad trend of calling PlayStation per PSX but it's wrong. The most correct name for first Sony (actually half Sony) console is just "PlayStation" not even PS1 or worse PSOne, just PlayStation. If someone doesn't believe it, here goes: [image file removed]. There is nice big "PSX" on top and... "PlayStation 2" on bottom left, oh and a remote gratis. I hope that solves whole confusion about PS and PSX.

Best regards and have a nice day~

ISubaru (talk) 03:39, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * We had a discussion on Talk:Suzu Fujibayashi. Thank you for your contribution, but the original PlayStation was abbreviated as the PSX in the English community for long enough that it's still in use at the moment. Additionally, the PlayStation X console does not have native games, so there's no confusion on that end. We acknowledge its existence but will continue to use PSX as the acronym for the original PlayStation. Lanate (talk) 04:23, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Please write in paragraphs. Removing broken file link.

Arosia (talk) 04:46, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * I know you've been editing historical comments, but refactoring someone's current talk page comments is a little too controlling, I feel. At least on my own talk page, I'd rather leave them unedited from the writer's styling. Lanate (talk) 04:57, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

No, I really haven't. I've been structuring them into a titled format to distinguish differing conversations. I rarely adjust a person's comment, but if I do, it's either for readability or aesthetic purposes. I won't mess with it on your talk page anymore, but I will continue to do so elsewhere if I deem it necessary.

Arosia (talk) 05:03, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Also, going to make a point that broken file links should always be removed to avoid clogging the Wanted Files inventory, which I recently purged. I can blame Winxfan for the first two on that list.

Arosia (talk) 05:06, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * It just comes down to what we consider acceptable in terms of this, and we have different standards, that's all. I prefer leaving things as unedited as possible, and broken files, I'd rather wrap in nowiki tags, but I'm only going to apply that to my talk pages. Lanate (talk) 05:15, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Background
Lanate, you're better at computers than I am. I cannot for the life of me reduce the KB of this image, no matter what I try. I drastically reduced the pixel dimensions, obviously, but it didn't affect the KB. Compressing and saving it as a JPEG didn't work, either. There has to be a way to apply this image to the background and have it cover everything at the "fix" setting.

Arosia (talk) 00:27, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Improvised with this. I think it looks pretty.

Arosia (talk) 00:38, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

One more thing. Is there a search and replace function that you can use through Wikia?

Arosia (talk) 03:02, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I use AutoWikiBrowser. Can we tie functions to CSS as opposed to item so future color changes don't need to repeat this? Lanate (talk) 04:31, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean?

Arosia (talk) 04:36, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * Something like ToP SFC - Trade Items, where we tie table colors to CSS classes in MediaWiki:Common.css as opposed to our current hard-coding. Lanate (talk) 04:46, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I would have to learn how to do it...

Arosia (talk) 04:51, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * Gimme a day or two of experimenting? I think I can centralize something... Lanate (talk) 04:52, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

So revert what I've already done, or just don't do anymore, or what?

Arosia (talk) 04:55, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't do anymore? If the color ever changes again, it'll be another exercise in frustration as you're about to undergo. Lanate (talk) 04:59, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. The colors on this page are what I want, so I hope you're okay with them. The pastel shades compliment the new background and theme well.

Arosia (talk) 05:11, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I generally prefer a darker background, as you can tell by the original colors, but not enough to object. Lanate (talk) 05:14, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * How do these pages look?
 * ToP SFC - Cress Albane: Artes‎
 * ToS - Lloyd Irving: EX Skills‎
 * ToP SFC - Cress Albane: Titles‎
 * ToP SFC - Weapons (Swords)‎
 * ToP SFC - Trade Items‎‎
 * ToP iOS - In-App Purchases‎
 * I think they're all right on both Monobook and Wikia. Lanate (talk) 07:12, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, this is what I wanted. So what am I going to have to do now?

Arosia (talk) 07:16, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll do it since there's some quirks involved. But AutoWikiBrowser is still good for mass, repetitive edits. Lanate (talk) 07:32, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I wish I could help because I feel like it's going to be a long process. I'll look into the AutoWikiBrowser tomorrow. Goodnight.

Arosia (talk) 08:00, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Wow. Did you even sleep last night? I hate to ask, but were there any edits from other users during your sweep? Also, is that all of the arte pages done?

Arosia (talk) 19:49, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * No edits that I saw, and it's all arte and passive skill pages. Lanate (talk) 04:12, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

I'm wanting to do something on our main page similar to the Final Fantasy Wiki's main page, with the portaled buttons that redirect to different categories. I've noticed a lot of wikis have begun implementing it, but I'm not sure where to begin.

Arosia (talk) 01:30, January 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't either, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 02:21, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Hm. I think it's configured through their CSS.

Arosia (talk) 02:39, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

ToP SFC icon images
I've uploaded them all, and I honestly would add them to the tables myself because I don't find it hard or that tedious, but the translations vary too much. I can't distinguish what is what, but I like to have the file names mirror their original source. I really am willing to do it, but do you know which ones differ, as in from our list compared to theirs? They alphabetize them, so I can't go based on stats.

Arosia (talk) 01:52, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean? You should be able to match image to item by either stat or effect. Lanate (talk) 03:10, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I think some of our translations are wrong.

Arosia (talk) 04:00, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * Compared to what? Lanate (talk) 04:07, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Them. Who else?

Arosia (talk) 04:08, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * I mean, that site is based off of the DeJap patch, but the list pages use the Japanese names as all unlocalized list pages do. Those pages don't and will never use fan translations as official names. Lanate (talk) 04:11, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Hey
I change my mind a lot, as you may have noticed. I've removed the animation images from all pages and sorted them into galleries that function identically to their category pages, but ultimately, I want them off the wiki. They're unnecessary and do nothing but take up space. I just wanted to give you a heads up in the event that you want to save or store them somewhere because I will be deleting them all tonight.

Arosia (talk) 03:43, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * Honestly? I don't see the point of removing them. All it does is create more work than just leaving them alone in a gallery page where they're doing no harm. Lanate (talk) 03:51, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I wasn't really posting it for discussion. I'll be deleting them under "Author's request".

Arosia (talk) 04:32, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

This and this.

Arosia (talk) 03:54, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Also, are you cool with all the recent changes? I finished what I wanted to, so now I'm back to just adding/creating instead of mass cleaning.

Arosia (talk) 00:57, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see a better way of listing the characters in the crossover game, and considering that they're one of the central points, I like them as they are.


 * I'll work on readding Nova's information if I have time.


 * Also, what happened to all the useful sprite images, like Shizel's and Dhaos's different forms? I don't agree in deleting pictures that can be used to show the different appearances of characters, if in character galleries if nothing else. Without them, we actually have less information on the characters. Lanate (talk) 04:49, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I want to keep them of course, but don't you think a table or something would be better? As for the sprites, eh... I was reformatting a lot and purging what I didn't use. I believe those were deleted because I had replaced them with the enemies icon uploads or something? I'm not sure. I assumed they were duplicated. Are you positive the sprites aren't on the wiki anymore? I can add the newer ones to the appropriate pages.

Arosia (talk) 05:02, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Past Shizel (ToE - PSX).png
 * ToP iOS Valkyrie.jpg
 * ToP iOS Feather Dhaos.jpeg
 * ToP GBA - Plume Dhaos.png
 * ToP GBA - Phaser Dhaos.png
 * ToP iOS Mars's Death.jpg
 * ToP iOS Cust.jpeg
 * These files are at the bare minimum show either character sprites or impactful events for the character, or even showing what Cust looks like on Thor's page. It's just... I disagree with your tendency to go back and forth on images and then delete things just because you don't like them at the moment. You just make more work on yourself. I'm also of the opinion that an image very rarely harms the wiki unless they're of poor quality, especially when they actually depict relevant things. Lanate (talk) 03:23, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'll restore them and plug them back into the pages they were removed from. I change my mind a lot and have super OCD, but I'm trying to tone it down.

Arosia (talk) 03:33, January 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I hope you didn't mind me cross-categorizing the enemy sprites into character categories. Lanate (talk) 03:57, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

No, that's fine. I meant to do it myself back when I uploaded them but forgot. There's probably more duplicates that need to be deleted and replaced, like with the Valkyrie one you just did, but I can get to that whenever.

Arosia (talk) 04:01, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

"New user"
"I'm the first to admit that I'm not neutral in this, but there's something concerning the new user that I've found has held true over the years that I feel you should be aware of: here. I take a very hands off approach to this user because any good of their contributions tends to be colored by my perception. Lanate (talk) 02:55, March 4, 2016 (UTC)":

First you had a problem with me on the Digimon wiki and now here. I admit I made mistakes on the Digimon wiki but I did try to correct them to the best of my ability. What have I done here that aggravates you?

Jdogno7 (talk) 03:08, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, that's about enough. That link was all I needed. You'll stop there or receive a ban on yet another wiki.

Arosia (talk) 03:27, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Who are you speaking to?

Jdogno7 (talk) 03:41, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Cheriamainer
Could you please confirm how Sorey is a Seraphim? No offence to Arosia but she has not played it to view full detail. Just watching cutscenes does not help.

Shepherds turning into Seraph? Pwah. It is those that are of cleanliness and free of malevolence. Not Shepherds. We all know there have been failed Shepherds.

Anyway. Sorry. I removed the information from Edna's trivia because I was the one who added it believe it or not (check the history from a few months ago). I only deleted it because I am naturally on the Japanese Tales wikis (2 of them) and a new Tales wiki = helping them expand.

I added what I wrote on Edna's trivia on the other wiki and the admin said that since it is of my words then I should take responsibility.

Since Arosia technically hates me. I figured why should I leave my expansions here as I am migrating.

Anyway, where has it been confirmed of Sorey's age because it is definitely not the guidebooks. If you were the only wiki admin then I would not mind being here. But Arosia? Can't handle. I don' t mind helping out here but I am not going to if she keeps criticizing everything I do. Okay. I missed out the plural 's', big deal. You notice it, you fix it.

--Cheriamainer (talk) 14:43, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

Actually wait. My friend showed me the age source. I forgot about that. Okay, he is 17 but it is not entirely confirmed as it is secondary.--Cheriamainer (talk) 14:46, March 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * I was saying that it's heavily implied because of the extreme passage of time and the recurring theme of pure humans being able to be turned into seraphim. Lanate (talk) 03:15, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

What
Have you seen this shit? Google-powered ads with links to other wiki pages (not necessarily restricted to this wiki) are now embedded within articles on Wikia skin, appearing after the first main section. In addition, they've removed the recent sidebar that served as alternate "Read more" links. I am not at all happy with this, and I regret to say that it appears as though we embedded the ad ourselves as a table, which is literally what I believed it to be at first. Are people talking about this? If so, where? I am livid.

Arosia (talk) 22:02, March 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * I actually haven't seen it. I haven't been able to reproduce it either, but I run both NoScript and Adblock, neither of which I put wikia on the whitelist for... I tried on private browsing, and while the ads make the site unbearably slow, I don't see it in the middle of content. Lanate (talk) 01:10, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Strange. Has anyone been talking about it?

Arosia (talk) 02:29, March 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * There was something from December: here Lanate (talk) 02:37, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

I don't even know, but I really don't like it.

Arosia (talk) 04:41, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Look! It's so bad! Who thought this was acceptable? It's intrusive, and in examples such as this one, the links aren't even to our own pages!

Arosia (talk) 18:14, March 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * This is the worst I get. Again, I run NoScript and Adblock so it takes actual effort to see stuff like that. Wikia ads are the definition of obnoxious though. Lanate (talk) 04:55, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

I don't see the ads at all on my work computer, so I have no idea why they randomly began appearing on my home computer.

Arosia (talk) 19:24, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * Have you tried running some malware removal? Maybe some browser plugins? Lanate (talk) 02:52, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

So, something I just noticed. The Google-powered ads are no longer appearing for me. Yay, I guess?

Arosia (talk) 19:17, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Hopefully it stays disappeared. Lanate (talk) 03:23, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

That user...
Surely there is a way to put an end to this. Do I need to report him to someone, or what?

Arosia (talk) 18:16, April 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I wish there was. Look at the following exhibits: w:c:digimon:User talk:Jdogno7, w:c:digimon:Special:BlockList (if it says abusing multiple accounts within the last couple of years, it's probably them), w:c:megamitensei:User talk:Lanate, w:c:community:Thread:945264. Lanate (talk) 18:47, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

ToLink
Lanate, I only have a couple, but is it okay if I start adding some of the 5-star characters, or is there a specific reason why that page isn't up? Sagekita (talk) 04:51, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. It only hasn't been created because I started from 1 star up, and I still haven't finished 4 star. Lanate (talk) 14:17, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Hey
Do you know of any way to contact Mayu, besides here? Like, is she active on anything else, that you know of?

Arosia (talk) 18:34, May 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but no. When she left, I believe she desired to distance herself from the fandom entirely. Lanate (talk) 18:36, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

That makes me sad because I was really hoping to reconcile things with her. Also, I've sort of patched things up with one of the admins at Taleslations, so I've added them as an affiliate. They may edit the wiki from time to time, providing citations or simply correcting wrong information.

Arosia (talk) 18:45, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I need your assistance please!
Please stop Arosia from posting false information on the Van Grants wiki page. The "trivia" they continue to change back makes absolutely no sense, is written quite poorly, and shows they never played the game. The reason for that cut-in effect was repeatedly established throughout the latter half of the game and is a nod to old-school games of the past. I've played and beaten Tales of the Abyss on the PS2 four times and even beat Nebilim. Please correct Arosia's misbehavior. --JarinJove (talk) 00:40, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Cute. I actually didn't post that information, but I will not let you remove it and add your own conjecture.

Arosia (talk) 06:02, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Insights
Check. These. Out. Has this information always been available? This is a great resource. I've always wanted to see these sort of statistics.

Arosia (talk) 03:13, June 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 00:31, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

About the ToZ status ailments page
Sorry for a late reply, i add the page a while ago not finish it yet because of some personal matter, but it was deleted the next day before i finish enter the data, the notice is because its not formatted correctly, well i`m not aware of the formatting and not really good at it, so is it better if i send the link to the data so you can format it? if yes then this is the link to the data TOZ STATUS AILMENTS --Vermeilia (talk) 11:42, June 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's there now. Lanate (talk) 00:31, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

Be honest...
Is the quality of those Tytree arte images I uploaded too poor? Are there some that work and others that don't? Do you suggested removing/deleting any?

Arosia (talk) 21:08, July 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think they're fine. Strike artes are difficult to encompass using static images, but they're good representations. Lanate (talk) 00:52, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks!

Arosia (talk) 01:10, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

One other thing. Do you think the wiki is pretty organized? Any areas you can think of that could use some attention?

Arosia (talk) 23:50, July 20, 2016 (UTC)

I've noticed we tend to lack in character pages for newer games, ToZ being an example. Such as I did with Ayla's page, I think it's acceptable to at least give the character a page with a template and a paragraph so that the basic information is there. Unfortunately, I know little to nothing about newer characters, such as say Symonne. Just throwing this out there if you would like to do such a thing, though I understand you're busy and mainly keep to data pages.

Arosia (talk) 05:22, July 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the story based pages are probably where we need to focus on in terms of lacking. Characters and terminology definitely. On the other hand, I'm also going on vacation for the next two weeks. =/ Lanate (talk) 03:45, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

When you get back, maybe we can work together on creating a new priorities list for ourselves and the community. That way, our problematic areas are at least addressed in an organized way.

Arosia (talk) 04:04, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a great idea. Lanate (talk) 04:22, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Would you like to work with me in developing a list of priorities, perhaps establishing some sort of discussion page in the process? I think the wiki is doing really well, and I don't have many things to say. The one thing I would like to focus on, with which Kaimi has been helping, is working toward putting all our image files to use. It's a gradual process of course, and it's not like I would rather not have the images on the wiki. I'm glad they're there, but I feel that it's been accumulating for a while now without much depletion. Obviously, arte and data/resource pages are what need to be created in order for many of the images to be put to use. I'm not as much concerned with the location images. Monster lists will be the most grueling, but I am willing to put in the time and energy.

Arosia (talk) 22:27, September 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure. My input will be rather sporadic as I take a break after finishing the Tales of Link unit pages, but I won't completely disappear. Lanate (talk)

So, um...
Were you aware this existed? They have copied and pasted a few of our articles (Tales of the Tempest, Areura, Leymon), which is grounds for having the wiki closed since they failed to provide us with credit. Do you think this is an issue or no? As of now, I don't really care. I will care, however, if it continues to be a problem. Duplicate wikis are already frowned upon, and it wouldn't be difficult for me to take this to Wikia and have the issue resolved. I am going by exactly what is outlined here. Berseria seems to be the focus of the wiki, and from what I've noticed, there's only one contributor, the founder. Your thoughts?

Arosia (talk) 06:23, August 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * Before Mayu left, she gave me a list of duplicate wikis. I'm of the opinion that I don't much care about them, and the more they are left to languish, the better. Unless the content stealing becomes really absurd, it's fine to let them be, especially if they're focused on a subset of the franchise. Lanate (talk) 02:52, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Did you and Mayu communicate outside the wiki?

Arosia (talk) 02:55, August 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * A couple of times; we'd been working on this wiki together for years at that point. I'm still respecting her wishes to distance herself, however. Lanate (talk) 02:57, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Can we see about possibly switching over to Wikia's new infoboxes, if at all possible? They are space-savers and look a bit nicer, cleaner.

Arosia (talk) 00:48, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * That should be relatively simple; we don't do fancy magic with our templates (one of the reasons why we didn't implement them on another wiki was because of our complex infoboxes, and only half-way converting looks ugly). I'd be in support and could handle code porting tasks over the weekend. Lanate (talk) 02:49, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

Great! Thanks, Lanate!

Arosia (talk) 04:13, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * I did CharInfo; can you tell me how you feel about it? Lanate (talk) 01:46, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen, it looks great. It looks as tough some image sizes will have to be adjusted, but the tabber function is working properly. Also, the game titles aren't italicized. Will we have to do that manually?

Arosia (talk) 04:28, August 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't think that with PortableInfobox it is possible to adjust the sizes of images included in them: AFAIK PI always automatically adjust image width to the maximum width of the PI if they are wider than them. It might be possible to mess with CSS if image sizes can be manually set. Also, I don't think we need to put in the template italics for a single field; apostrophes aren't that hard to put it, are they? But yes, I think it's possible to adjust that either with CSS or the template itself.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:11, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

...that's not okay. Image sizes need to be adjusted in order to ensure they are visually appropriate and consistent across all pages. And you're talking about having to insert apostrophes into every existing CharInfo template we have. It really needs to be embedded in the code. Ugh. This is becoming less and less attractive the more I think and look at it.

Arosia (talk) 19:42, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, we could upload new images over existing one with "proper" sizes and let the template adjust them, but that would be more trouble than it's worth it IMO. The italics for certain cells is probably possible. I think reading a bit about PIs and/ot asking a central Wikia staff member for assistance would be good ways to go if we decide that we should use PIs, but want them to behave like we need them to.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:12, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

I wanted to do this for aesthetic purposes and because I assumed it would be a simple transition. While the transition was smooth, the result isn't as satisfactory as I had anticipated. Kind of wanting to revert back and not worry about it, but I'll see what Lanate says.

Arosia (talk) 21:50, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to revert; from a coding standpoint, I'm not a fan of giving up capability for relatively minor gain. If the whole point is aesthetics and the aesthetics fail, then why convert? Lanate (talk) 03:17, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. Please revert. There's nothing wrong with our original design, and I would rather focus our attention elsewhere as opposed to wrestling with this any further. Sorry for the trouble, Lanate.

Arosia (talk) 03:49, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Copyright
This wiki has had copy-paste content added to it from another Tales-based wiki, especially with the fact that there were no notes to the original author of the content. It seems Arosia has been taking this sort of content without reference or warning. It would be strongly advised to remove the contents and use valid content found from the actual game on the wiki. It is a completely and utter humiliation and the history checks between the two wiki show that the other wiki had the content along time before this.--Integrity1 (talk) 15:18, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Please continue any conversation on this matter on the user's talk page.

Arosia (talk) 19:19, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Pascal's mystic artes
Please share your opinion regarding Pascal's mystic artes.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:43, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Hello
Thanks for helping me out on those pages. I'm rather new at this and I don't have as much time on my hands at other editors might have, so your corrections are appreciated. I apologize for any mistakes I made.ErmacDonald (talk) 03:22, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not problem; I don't have a lot of time either, but I do what I can. On a whole, parentheticals are a no, and we try to keep a neutral tone. I also try to make a concerted effort to avoid mentioning the player during storyline sections, rewriting it to be as best as possible to be in-universe. Canon is also a weird subject, so I think when a side story goes a particular route, how I phrased it on Colette and Sheena's pages is how to go about it. Thank you for your contributions! Lanate (talk) 03:32, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Noted. Your edits implemented the changes I was trying to make far better than I was able to. The other admin simply reverted everything I did and was very uncivil about it, so I didn't know how to proceed at first. All I know is that Namco never said anything about the Drama CDs being canonical, and that the sequel allows the protagonist to follow up on their choices from the first game, with one obvious exception.ErmacDonald (talk) 05:23, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

Strike arte category?
This has never been a thing? If it were, there would be a colossal amount of artes needing to be categorized in it.

Arosia (talk) 02:42, October 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * I keep forgetting that we call it physical artes as a category. Lanate (talk) 02:44, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Oh. Why is Apocalypse Toll categorized as a base arte?

Arosia (talk) 02:45, October 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Nachtigal uses it as a martial arte, which is combined into the base arte category. Lanate (talk) 02:46, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Oh okay.

Arosia (talk) 02:47, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Artes for different Users
I want to put Satsugeki Bukoken images for both Anise Talin and Kohaku Hearts in Tales of VS., but I am not sure on how to name them. Could you tell me how to sort them out?

HiroIzungo17 (talk) 05:44, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Not necessary. In most cases, one image per game for a single arte works well enough. Otherwise, arte pages may become too clogged when we try to represent each game in which the move appears.

Arosia (talk) 06:05, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Hi
Please familiarize yourself with my recent changes to categories, particularly the implementation of the Storytelling Mechanics category and how these pages should be structured via Page Outlines, then let me know if you have any questions/concerns/suggestions. The only pages we don't have set outlines for now are features and songs. The few categorized feature page we have don't really fall well into other categories, and they mostly focus on their appearances in different games. I'll eventually create an outline. I've made sure our song pages all adhere to a similar format, so it shouldn't be difficult for me to establish an outline for that category as well.

Arosia (talk) 20:10, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Feature and song outlines added.

Arosia (talk) 22:37, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Is everything okay?

Arosia (talk) 05:59, November 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I literally have not had any free time in the run up to the holidays... I actually still don't. I may have a little more time after Thanksgiving. Lanate (talk) 03:58, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

Oh okay. No problem.

Arosia (talk) 04:23, November 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * Now that I have some breathing room, I read over them and have no concerns over the outlines as they are. Lanate (talk) 04:10, November 23, 2016 (UTC)

Your adminship
This is actually unrelated to the recent conversation on your talk page on your other wiki, but it sort of falls in line with it. What are your plans for both wikis? I'm sure you've noticed the recent changes page on this wiki. I've been busy all day and haven't had the time myself, but of course, I'm about to deal with it now. I think it would be best if you demoted yourself to a sysop, or if you want to entirely revoke your rights like Mayu did, that's fine as well. Although the wiki is fine, I'm going to begin reaching out to what remains of the Tales community and see what help I can find or what agreements I can come to. I don't feel it's too much to ask for a bureaucrat to check the wiki at least once a day. You do not fulfill that role, so I'm suggesting you revert to sysop. The fault is my own for forcing it upon you, so I'm making the necessary amends now.

Arosia (talk) 05:47, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll self-demote, but I will say that it's micromanaging, dictatorial, and rather creepy how much you monitor my conversations elsewhere on the internet. It's that attitude that in large part drives me away from this wiki, as what used to be a fun way to share my knowledge and passion for the series has now turned into a chore, one that I find myself less able to devote time to as my offline responsibilities grow. Now it's a matter of what fun I can have with my limited time, and this wiki isn't making that list. Lanate (talk) 23:05, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Well, you won't have to worry about any of that anymore. Don't expect me to bug you about any of it again.

Arosia (talk) 23:43, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Okay
I'm just letting you know, so that you're not totally in the dark on this, there was an issue with the Tales of Transparent images being used on the wiki. I am not Tumblr-savvy; I was unaware of the limits of "free to use", as it does not allow for re-posting or claiming as one's own. Granted, I'm not guilty of that latter, but the former was the issue. I assumed re-posting meant re-uploading to Tumrly instead of re-blogging. Anyway, long story short, I was wrong. I saw the owner's post and decided to contact her personally. We've been trading emails and setting guidelines.

We are now affiliated with her site, and I will be adding a link to the main page here shortly. Likewise, you'll notice I credited the exact post for each image; this was one of the conditions. I also deleted some that were re-blogs and not as great quality. Another Tumblr user gave us permission to use their images, and I'm waiting for another to respond. I'll be uploading a few screenshots in our permission confirmation category for safeguarding. That's all.

Arosia (talk) 09:04, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

...and that takes care of it all. We're clear. The other user responded, and everything is okay. Also, the owner of Tales of Transparent is handling a few personal requests for the wiki (those ones I had listed on my talk page) when she has the time. They will be good representations for those antagonists.

Arosia (talk) 11:20, January 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay. Lanate (talk) 18:43, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Berseria localized arte names
I can't hold them (impatient users) off much longer, and I don't know how to tinker with your arte template system.

Arosia (talk) 00:00, February 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't find master lists right now and don't have the time to compile them, so I switched over to the standard question marks for unknown localizations because I'm assuming that people will be smart enough to replace question marks with localization. Links are such that they remain unbroken if there are unexpected or conflicting localizations, which will get fixed later. Module:ArteLocName/data will get updated as necessary... probably on the weekend; the arte template is at least graceful about not finding a localization. Lanate (talk) 03:38, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Okay.

Arosia (talk) 03:39, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Brave Frontier
I didn't realize it was linked on that many pages. You could have redirect to the Brave Frontier Wiki if you wanted. I hope you understand why I deleted that page.

Arosia (talk) 04:45, March 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree with it but understand. Lanate (talk) 04:48, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Can you explain why?

Arosia (talk) 04:50, March 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, I feel that in covering the Tales franchise, we can also cover the other franchises that the Tales series interacts with. Tales has had a more than casual relationship with other franchise since its advent. It simply doesn't hurt anything. Lanate (talk) 04:55, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Tempest icons
I just uploaded an image, which I took from Spriters Resource and cleaned. I'd like to crop and add these icons to the data pages, but many of them don't seem to be in order. I was wondering if you could help me?

Arosia (talk) 09:06, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * I might be able to help out with everything but the weapons; I can't seem to find an all weapons hack. Lanate (talk) 03:34, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

If you're not going to do anything with it, I'm deleting it.

Arosia (talk) 03:24, April 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * No skin off my nose then, if it can't wait for when I have time. Lanate (talk) 03:28, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

You're a real piece of work.

Arosia (talk) 03:29, April 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Pot, kettle, much. Lanate (talk) 03:31, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

Anything on this? I haven't sat down with it yet.

Arosia (talk) 02:17, June 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * [list removed and transferred]
 * Lanate (talk) 03:42, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

I guess I'll do those and then just forget about the rest since we really have no way of knowing.

Arosia (talk) 06:01, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

And on a second note, I guess I won't bother with ones belonging on pages we don't have yet. We can keep this list though, as well as the image, and reference/add to it should the need ever arise.

Arosia (talk) 21:05, June 15, 2017 (UTC)

Also, I'm removing the list from here and transferring it to here.

Arosia (talk) 21:19, June 15, 2017 (UTC)

TotT skit images?
I'm looking at these and assuming they're fan art, but at the same time, I'm wondering if they could be from some official source. I wanted to see if you knew. I'm pretty sure they're just really good fan art. If you recall, a while back I thought maybe the skit images of Damuron and Casey here were official, but I believe they're just really good fan art as well. Notice the similar style? Just wanted your thoughts.

Arosia (talk) 19:20, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

This is linked at the bottom of that Damuron/Casey page. Are these manga/side material illustrations?

Arosia (talk) 19:22, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

The more I look at them, the more I disbelieve they're fan art. Especially since they're so similar in style to the Damuron/Casey ones. Do skit images such as these appear in side materials?

Arosia (talk) 19:32, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Also, side note in case you wonder what I'm doing, there's some talk page redirects that were left behind when the actual redirects were deleted. I'm deleting those, as well as removing old spam from current talk pages (Winxfan). Nothing of value is being lost.

Arosia (talk) 04:08, May 8, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think the Tempest skit images are fan art, as Radiant Mythology 3, VS., and Twin Brave all use the same skit image of Caius that is noticeably different from that one.


 * I also wouldn't trust anything on that Damuron and Casey page as official, as at least one of the images can be traced to pixiv. Lanate (talk) 04:13, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

Alright. What threw me off was that someone went into such detail with them. I considered messaging the original poster, but they seem to have abandoned that blog.

Arosia (talk) 04:20, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, there should be no redirects in this repository. They are the left-behind results of page moving. Ugh.

Arosia (talk) 05:35, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

All done!

Arosia (talk) 07:20, May 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * (・ω・)b Lanate (talk) 02:32, May 9, 2017 (UTC)

Talespedia
Fucking deal with this because I'm permabanned on that wiki. It even states in their rules that they are to not take content from our wiki, but the admin is a colossal idiot.

Arosia (talk) 08:27, June 12, 2017 (UTC)

Either revert the edit yourself or explain to someone with the IQ above that of a neanderthal that the content was taken from our wiki. Please.

Arosia (talk) 08:38, June 12, 2017 (UTC)

It's still happening with the same user. This and this were copied and pasted directly from our articles. She replied to you btw.

Arosia (talk) 20:54, July 14, 2017 (UTC)

This. You are going to have to get stern with them because this user has zero intellect. He is lifting images directly from our wiki and has now plagiarized another page because he doesn't possess the basic knowledge level to understand what the admin told him before.

Arosia (talk) 20:08, July 29, 2017 (UTC)

Lanate, I understand you are trying to be nice with them, but the user in question is quite literally retarded. I just read the conversation on his talk page on that wiki. You will have to remove the information yourself because that admin is useless and will take no action.

Arosia (talk) 22:29, August 8, 2017 (UTC)

If he does it again, I'll contact Staff.

Arosia (talk) 03:31, August 9, 2017 (UTC)

ToE
Hi, with regards to my TOE edits, I'm getting these numbers from http://talesing.fc2web.com/toe/flinge.htm

Please revert my edits.


 * Edits should be properly sourced. Lanate (talk) 02:50, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

That link isn't perfect. I'm working with what I have. You can check in game that Blizzard and Absolute does indeed cause freeze. Mystic Sword also does indeed cause Knockback.


 * Still needs a source. Lanate (talk) 03:08, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what to do when my source is "in-game". I'm not exactly familiar with all the rules of wikia editing, I'm just putting the info out there for the benefit of others. You could follow up with any edits you deem necessary to keep things in line with the rules but I ask that you don't simply delete any details until I can "prove" them.


 * Details exist in the page history, but something like video or screenshot proof is necessary for claims like that that no one else claims. Lanate (talk) 03:15, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

Kusanagiryuu, please sign your posts.

Arosia (talk) 05:18, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

User name changes
Is something going on with these? Doesn't seem normal.

Arosia (talk) 03:21, July 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * They're a member of the technical staff; it looks like it's cleaning up some name changes that happened elsewhere and need to be fully propagated through the wikis. Lanate (talk) 03:51, July 9, 2017 (UTC)

Tales of the Rays
Why was the unlocalized tag removed on some pages and character pages moved based on name change if the game is not localized yet?

Arosia (talk) 02:41, July 16, 2017 (UTC)
 * Because the official website it out and localized the characters; I'm not holding strict to the "game itself must be out" for story-esque pages. On the data page, the lack of the unlocalized template implies that the data on the page is from the localized game, which it is not, and I won't add all of those question marks required until I have to. Lanate (talk) 02:56, July 16, 2017 (UTC)

TotR Icon Categorization
Hi. Can you move all of the character head icons in the "TotR Icon Images" category to a new category titled "TotR Character Icons", please? I'm not sure why I didn't do this initially. Thank you.

Arosia (talk) 21:21, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

One the side note with my translation bs being mitigated for now
What do you think of my personal Tales idea? Like with most of my personal crap it's incomplete btw. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 05:38, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

JP Sprites
Since I've never had much luck on English sites, I was wondering if you happened to know of any JP sprite ripping sites that I would have a better chance to find Destiny (PS2), Destiny 2, or Rebirth sprites.

Arosia (talk) 00:32, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

I found this, but he only posted Kyle's sprite sheet.

Arosia (talk) 00:41, September 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't, sorry. I've tried looking, but I don't know the right keywords to get close to the right results, if they exist. Lanate (talk) 00:53, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for trying.

Arosia (talk) 01:02, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

On a side note, I'm guessing Japan's laws are stricter in regard to online illustration due to their lack of a "Fair Use" policy. It's a trend I've picked up on while visiting various JP sites, as well as JP Wikipedia pages.

Arosia (talk) 06:09, September 12, 2017 (UTC)

Problem?
Something has disabled the tabber function on the wiki.

Arosia (talk) 02:24, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Correction. Only in the CharInfo box.

Arosia (talk) 02:25, September 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Temporary glitch on your end? It's still fine for me. Lanate (talk) 02:28, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Images in the infobox displaying fine for you? They don't appear for me.

Arosia (talk) 02:31, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, scratch that. They altered the tabber function slightly, as indicated by its color variation. I went to edit the page and then previewed it only to see it working fine. I published the empty edit and the problem was resolved. I guess it was on my end.

Arosia (talk) 02:33, September 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Heh, there's the screenshots I was in the middle of posting: Monobook, Wikia. Lanate (talk) 02:35, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Lol thank you anyway for going through the trouble.

Arosia (talk) 02:43, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

TotR artes
So I am currently trying to pinpoint arte types in the Rays, and for certain there are two arte types stated in the "Info" section for each weapon arte; there are artes (術) for damage and support spells, and recovery artes (回復術) for healing spells (although Tear's Healing Circle is strangely noted to be an arte in both releases, while it's clearly a recovery arte). For physical artes the thing is more complicated because it generally depends on the user and/or the user, although that is rather messed up. However in the announcement for the Reid/Farah event their artes Super Lightning Blade and Eagle's Rage, respectively, are identified as "strike artes". However I don't know where I should be looking for the original Japanese annoucement texts, if they are archived anywhere, although by looking at artes and recovery artes' Japanese names I think it's safe to assume that strike artes are waza (技). I'm telling you this because you're the Wiki expert on arte pages and I hope that we could include those arte types for the game's arte lists. Also, on Google Drive I have a spreadsheet for weapon artes available via the Turtlez Shop with all the descriptions, so you can decide if we should add more details to arte pages (it also includes 2 event weapon artes from Tear/Jade event): link I do have a few more things to discuss: mainly fan-dubbed "hybrid artes" (strike artes that have elemental properties and use both P.ATK and A.ATK in their damage calculation but each stat has a different % weight put into each character's artes), total hits, and casting time for artes and recovery artes (spells only, fighters' recovery artes don't have casting time AFAIK; although I've no idea how long do each arte charges).—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:18, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I found a vid from the Mikleo/Edna event that shows that they use the generic "jutsuwaza" term in that spot usually: here, though I haven't found one particularly for the Reid/Farah event. Lanate (talk) 04:09, October 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * So I've found this video and it appears that strike artes are written as wazawaza (技技). Still, I think we should do a bit more research on what other events call the physical arte type in JP, and wait for what WW will provide, although I think that "Artes" and "Recovery Artes" at least could be implemented, if you're not opposed to the idea.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:07, October 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to think that "Wazawaza" is a typo more than anything; Mikleo's strike arte uses jutsuwaza, so I want a pattern before anything else. I'm still not seeing a case for recovery artes to be split off into their own category. If it has to be done, it'd be a level 3 header under the level 2 Artes header. Lanate (talk) 02:52, October 10, 2017 (UTC)
 * So the JP site apparently has the most recent announcement on their site (the same as WW site) and this is the announcement for Eizen/Laphicet event: link. It's possible that the WW release puts a bit of a flair in arte type naming in the announcements. It just might turn fruitless to identify strike artes' JP name since they doesn't appear to have one.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:24, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

So the Rita/Raven event arrived in WW and one of the announcements regarding event only weapons classifies Stone Blast as "strike arte", the same goes to Love Shot, so I suppose that it's nearly impossible to introduce some more arte categories in arte lists. At the very least I'd like to divide artes for "strike artes" (no casting time) and "artes" (have casting time; with a possible subsection for "recovery artes"). I could whip up some example table for both "strike artes" and "artes", based on the Wiki standard of course.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 16:30, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

Master Character List?
If it wouldn't be much of a problem, do you think you'd be able to compile a "master list" for characters to be used as a reference for ordering in "gameplay" templates? I ask because I've seen you recently redordered characters in "Template:TotR" to be in line with ToLink order. When I'm adding to the said template I tend to jump around the Wiki to get the best order (at least IMO), so it's somewhat time consuming to be doing that each time, and it might be helpful in the future as there will likely be more crossover games in the series.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:30, November 10, 2017 (UTC)
 * Aselia:Master Character Order for now. As more bosses appear, they can be added. The ordering for the games is: Mothership/Non-Crossover Escorts, Crossover Escorts, Mobile Titles. Each major category is sorted by Japanese release date (why DotNW is before Vesperia). Internal ordering is based on our own game templates for player character, with previously-enemy-now-playable characters appearing at the end in whatever order we want, though the more prominent enemies will probably be earlier. This ordering can be superseded by a crossover game's internal ordering if that internal ordering at least orders by game of origin. Lanate (talk) 19:05, November 10, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That will certainly make things easier. I would also probably add TotR since I have a sneaky suspicion that with the reveal of Sarah's appearance in TotR, that Ix and Mileena units at the very least will appear in ToLink, but for now it wasn't confirmed in ToLink AFAIK.
 * On a somewhat related note, JP TotR is planning to introduce a new arte "tier", something like TotA's FOF Changes; I presume it'll be related to those voiced lines that share the same quotes across all characters' battle voices.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:24, November 10, 2017 (UTC)

Untitled
I edited Demonic Chaos as Lloyd Irving's Mirrage Arte, I hope you don't mind. Because most of my editing got reverted back to its original. I just wanted to expand my knowledge to everyone in FANDOM.

Hi, I'm editing an article about Light Blast based on Luke's Mirrage Arte, can you take a look at it? I wish you can edit it to your own knowledge about Light Blast that Luke used in Tales of the Rays, thank you.

The mirrist is not edited. I searched for what mirrist are in the Japanese version, it seems like it's roughly translated as Mirror Knights. Can you add a page about it? Thank you.
 * If you feel like the wiki is missing information about a topic, please add it. Lanate (talk) 03:31, November 26, 2017 (UTC)

Wings of Destruction
I noticed that both Walter and Ludger/Victor has an arte localized as "Wings of Destruction" but their Japanese names are different. Which "Wings of Destruction" gets a character tag: Walter or Ludger/Victor? My mind tells me it's Walter's since he is not a playable character, but I'd like your opinion on this since you're an "arte specialist" here. ;) —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:53, December 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Walter would get the parser. Lanate (talk) 18:10, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Talespedia
There's a user who is taking all of the recently created Berseria location pages verbatim.

Seeing as how this a repeating pattern, I had in my mind to contact Wikia Staff to deal with the matter, but then I felt it was better simply to bring it to your attention and let you decide what to do.

Arosia (talk) 07:44, December 7, 2017 (UTC)

I just read the conversation between you and that user. Would you like me to contact Staff?

Arosia (talk) 00:47, December 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm giving it a few more goes. Lanate (talk) 03:28, December 12, 2017 (UTC)

Alright.

Arosia (talk) 05:19, December 12, 2017 (UTC)

I really do apologize for this, but I have taken matters into my own hand with the problem users stealing content from Aselia to post on Talespedia. I reverted all violations and issued warnings to both users who stole content. I then posted on the admin's wall explaining my actions. If this is met with hostility and/or the re-adding of the information, I will let Staff handle the rest. Sorry to jump in and play head admin again, but I can only be ladylike for so long.

Arosia (talk) 18:52, December 19, 2017 (UTC)

My apologies for prying here, but I've done some investigating on this user. It turns out that he's not only copying pages onto Talespedia, but also onto other wikis as well. I found this malevolence page on the twin-verse wiki, and certain paragraphs are the exact same as Aselia's malevolence page.

EDIT: I've also found another malevolence page on the fan-made super smash keybladers wiki. Again, certain paragraphs are the same as Aselia's.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 02:36, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

He's the founder of both those wikis, but neither are actual wikis with communities and such. He's using them as his own private fangasm shrines for whatever reason. Generally Staff doesn't care about these wikis, but if he is just copying from other wikis, that is something worth reporting. He's literally taken the same information from our wiki and plastered it on both his wikis; it's more than just the malevolence page. I guess I'll be typing up a report to Staff tonight. Sigh.

Arosia (talk) 03:18, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

Further investigation has revealed that he's been also copying from the RWBY, One Piece, and Fairy Tail wikis. He's literally creating carbon copies of those wikis all into his own personal shrines, wholesale even. I think we should let the admins of those wikis be aware of this user so they can take action as well.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 03:40, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

I'll just finish dealing with all of this tomorrow. I've had a long day and really can't be bothered tonight.

Arosia (talk) 05:29, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

So I didn't notice this before but on both of his personal wikis, he's carefully placed links to Aselia and Talespedia. This covers his ass, which honestly is fine because those wikis are nothing more than his own weird playgrounds. A Staff member got back in touch with me and informed me that wikis of this nature are accepted, which I knew but wasn't aware to what extent, and that if he has a link to the original source then he's in the clear. I didn't even think to look for this so that's my bad. He's covered. They're pointless wikis no one will ever see or care about. It's fine.

That being said, Talespedia is not fine. Linking or not (there were no links on those pages), the non-interference agreement we have with them prevents any sharing of content. That being said, Staff will only step in if this is repeated without sourcing the material, which was the case before, otherwise it's left to the admin of that wiki. Don't hold your breath on that one. I'll keep an eye on Talespedia, but I'd say this situation is under control now.

Arosia (talk) 04:35, December 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for dealing with this mess. The run-up to the holidays has been really busy. Lanate (talk) 04:51, December 21, 2017 (UTC)

Alright. If the staff says so, then there's nothing that can be done. Just thought I could help out a bit with the situation that's all, but I'll leave the rest to you two.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 04:53, December 21, 2017 (UTC)

A Question
I've already talked to Arosia about this subject, and she recommended that I hear out your opinion as well. Should the Empyrean's Throne from Tales of Berseria and Artorius's Throne from Tales of Zestiria be one single page? They're practically the same location, just two games and one-thousand years apart.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 01:35, December 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't object, though we do keep the malak and seraph split. Lanate (talk) 04:10, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I'll make those pages separate while mentioning their connections in the history section.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 08:10, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Affiliation
I'm Kaede Ennead and I'm the author of Tales of Kemet. Tales of Kemet is a fan fiction dedicated to the Tales series. I'm even working on a wiki for it. You can read TOK here: https://kaedeennead.deviantart.com/gallery/62863276/Tales-of-Kemet For the Wiki: http://tales-of-cairo.wikia.com/wiki/Tales_of_Kemet_Wiki I would LOVE Tales of Kemet to become a video game! Please put my wiki under related wikia (even though it's under construction).
 * I think I'm going to have to decline. While I wish your fanfiction success, I would rather save affiliations for wikis related to official Tales media, such as crossovers. Lanate (talk) 04:36, December 23, 2017 (UTC)

Translation reasons
Derp. I forgot to bring this up AGES ago. Thing is, long ago when I was first editing this wikia, someone told me to NOT override of any of KusanagiLord's translations via the citations to his FAQ. I'm not sure if this still applies, so that's why to this day I've had my more literal translations alongside KusanagiLord's, but I'm reluctant to really get rid of his citations as well despite it confusing people ("the wikia's translations or that FAQ's translations...WHICH ONE DAMMIT?!")

Thing is however, I forgot who told me to leave KusanagiLord's translations alone. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 05:36, January 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * ...I forgot too, possibly Arosia? The thing is, I only object if you override them and leave the citation intact. If you remove them entirely, take out the citation too. Lanate (talk) 20:12, January 21, 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's the problem; I'm sure it was via edit summaries that I was told to not mess with KusanagiLord's stuff since they held him in high regard, and it was years ago; the only first time I started editing this wikia again was mainly around after the time Tales of Zestiria was released, since I first worked on the Light Spear Blast arte's translation. But yeah, I'll ask Arosia too. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 07:18, January 22, 2018 (UTC)


 * On a random side note; speaking of translations, I've managed to download the most recent patch for Tales of the Rays (been finally playing that game again ever since the event to get both Asbel and Cheria in the party was occurring; the former is SO my on-point character from now on). Sadly, that said patch somehow started to mess up some text via typos and even revert localizations (such as Bestial Roar AKA Resshin Kohou literally showing its Japanese name in all instances)....I have no idea what Namco Bandai is doing anymore lol --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 11:00, January 24, 2018 (UTC)


 * Maybe I need to add a comment here? The past discussion on this topic is still on my active talk page, so the specifics of my resistance to SneaselSawashiro's altered translations are enumerated there. I just need to correct the perception that I hold any particular party's translations highly, as there were some arte pages where I ignored Kyo's translations from that GFAQs guide and inserted my own without citing the guide. I don't quite recall if I ever intended to have Sneasel list his translations alongside Kyo's, but knowing myself, I actually meant to say that if Sneasel's translations are not really significantly different due to the use of connotative synonyms, then the existing translations should stay unchanged and nothing else should have to be added, because it is pointless to re-translate something in a way that amounts to very minimal divergence from what already exists. If they -are- significantly different, then the existing translation should be replaced and Kyo's guide should be removed as a reference since it is not actually being used as such.


 * What was more of an irritating concern for me was Sneasel's translations implying some sort of connection to mythological entities in a game series that makes no such references intentionally. Things like "houou" and "raijin" need not equate to their divine counterparts when they are simply used as part of names for simple attack patterns. I don't know if this concept was reintroduced recently, because I don't intend to take the time to check on the relevant pages, but I will insist strongly that such mythological references must be removed because it is a very strong and objectionable translation liberty when applied to this series. It's as obnoxious and unnecessary as referring to Phantasia's houjutsu as "Methodism", along with all of the invented Hindustani references in the Innocence fan-trans patch based on the justification that TWO out of several reincarnated deities have a Hindu deity's name. If the translations are being changed from the existing cited ones for the sake of being more accurate or literal, then mythological things must be rejected for the same reason. That was the real cause for me reverting Sneasel's edits in the past. I even said so in the past discussion. If this has not been reintroduced, then just maintain vigilance against such things in the future. Of course, if the current adminship wants to accept more liberal translations, then you do you while I scream internally. It's not like I know what the community's preferences are anymore since this series has already fallen into the mobage trash bin along with Fate/GO's Saberface and Sakurafish clones.


 * Shallchair Bloodfallen (talk) 04:30, January 30, 2018 (UTC)

Space-time attacks
I feel like there's enough significance with these moves to warrant an article but wanted to ask you since you're more knowledgeable on them. If so, would you rather write the article or me?

Arosia (talk) 05:54, January 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry for the late reply. I could write one up. Lanate (talk) 16:21, January 27, 2018 (UTC)

Haruko55
Look, I understand what you're trying to tell me. But as you can see, I'm not originally from America nor English. So I'm sorry if my grammar is incorrect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haruko55 (talk).
 * It doesn't matter where you're from; please just use correct grammar and formatting. Lanate (talk) 16:21, January 27, 2018 (UTC)

Or avoid creating arte pages altogether and focus your efforts elsewhere? Just a thought.

Arosia (talk) 17:54, January 27, 2018 (UTC)

Look here, I'm not trying to cause riots or anything. But you're the ones who said to "free to edit" in the main page. So what? My editing isn't that creative to you? First of all, it was based on my knowledge. Second, don't write the "free for anyone to edit" if you can't accept any of my editing especially, then don't write "free for anyone to edit". But you know what? Being an admin doesn't mean you can just write anything as you please but can't even think of other users' feelings. I was happy you corrected my editing so that I can see my flaws, but you get the appreciation from me, but I only got complains from you. Where have I done wrong if I ask? If you block me one more time, be my guest. But let me give you a warning, don't make excuses if you're run out of ideas because users from this page are leaving one by one and end up begging them to come back. Reflect your strictness to your own, will you?

You are creating work for other users, which is why we warned you to stop and/or focus your efforts elsewhere. Being an admin means we are experienced users on this wiki who help lay down the foundation of its rules, guidelines, and regulations so that the site doesn't decay into chaos. Look at the warnings on your talk page. Look how many times Lanate had to remind you that your efforts are not helpful because they create work for other users to clean up after you. Stop meddling with arte pages, and sign your posts.

Arosia (talk) 18:05, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

I pissed someone off
I just got this message on my talk page....I might as well undo most of my edits if that's the case....I'm a little worried but if it warrants punishment...then I guess I might have no choice but to comply. Also the thing is, I don't know how to respond now... --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 21:45, February 2, 2018 (UTC)

Localization issue for Tales of the Rays (Bestial Roar)
Not sure if I should mention this on the page itself, but back then when the game was first patched on mid January, I managed to get Asbel and all of his available artes on time before his event ended. However, I noticed that for a while before a hotfix came out, Bestial Roar AKA Resshin Kohou somehow via a text error had been fully rendered in hanzi/kanji (裂震虎砲) in both the battle text and the arte text. I believe the text hotfix was done sometime during Emil and Marta's event in the early days. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 20:27, February 11, 2018 (UTC)

SneaselSawashiro
This. I am fine with unbanning him, but I don't want him coming back and doing the same exact things. I told him I would speak with you and let you lay down the rules for him, though I really believe we made ourselves clear before.

Arosia (talk) 23:58, February 19, 2018 (UTC)