User talk:Lanate

Hey
Hey hm weren't you at FFwiki or KHwiki before? I know you are from one of those wiki's.--Zolo 05:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Cool remember me?--Zolo 05:08, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey since you're a user here can you help me on something I proposed to the head Admin here?--Zolo 02:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Make full news page for this wiki?--Zolo 02:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh wow, the irony! xD
I had just started my own fixes for the Abyss arte lists literally yesterday (after a bit of a break from contributing here due to college work and the like), and I find that you just started to do the same. Nice timing, heh... but I laughed (and cried!) when I saw your new edits. Don't worry though, I'll build off of what you have now. =P

We have most of the same info, but I found some damage output info (total damage percentage only) so I'll add that in. As for the FSC chamber data, at one point I considered formatting everything exactly the same way you have it now (xD!), but I think it makes the list too bulky, and many of the FSC effects are identical for most artes, besides those that steal or heal, or other exclusive effects like First Aid's capability to cure poison. It doesn't make the specific arte effects clearly visible (for things like Steel or Guardian) since everything is clustered together like this. So I think it's easier to display only the unique effects, and to describe the FSC chamber system in a separate article listing all posibilities. Also, I would prefer to have a "knockdown enabled" column, rather than stating that an attack's effects involve knocking down the enemy, just for organization.

I also have some changes in mind for the Symphonia lists, which I never got around to critiquing since it's not a major issue. Mostly things like listing T-type and S-type attack info as a separate column, and removing the "activation method" column since I think it's a little extraneous - however, this might be open for discussion. But overall you have done well with your edits, and I look forward to seeing more from you.

I'll make my changes to Luke and Asch's pages, so we can see how well it works and make more changes if needed. I should get to work on the Rebirth pages the next time I have free time, I just need to figure out how I want to display things that are exclusive to this game.

Mayu Miyuki 19:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: ^^;
A vertical list of all combinations seems to be the only decent way to display the unison attacks. Just keep in mind that T-type or S-type attacks have to match up with each other, so it wouldn't be as lengthy as you might have imagined if you were combining everything across T/S bounds. And I think a single column is enough to display both required attacks, so all of the attack names stay together correctly. For instance, Lightning Tiger Blade (Lloyd + Genis/Kratos/Zelos) would be listed like this within the final column:


 * Tiger Blade and Lightning
 * Tiger Rage and Thunder Blade
 * Tiger Rage and Spark Wave
 * Heavy Tiger Blade and Thunder Blade
 * Heavy Tiger Blade and Spark Wave
 * Twin Tiger Blade and Indignation

This should be the most possible combinations for any given unison attack, iirc. Few of them require this many lines anyway, so the full table length should be acceptable; it's like adding event data in the "requirements" field within the normal arte categories. And listing each combination individually will help reduce future confusion about what attacks match together.

Mayu Miyuki 22:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * For the artes that do not fall under either "T" or "S" categories, they should be listed as not-applicable with "-". "S" actually stands for "strike", but the column header can be listed as "Attack Type". And personally, I would prefer to insert the column between "Max Hits" and "TP Cost", since everything to the right of "TP Cost" is requirements, and everything to the left is properties (element/damage/etc.), the same pattern I try to follow for every game. That's just me being nitpicky though.


 * As for the unison attacks, the damage listings look like they are total percentages of the normal attack damage, so they should be listed as "Total Damage (%)". I don't think Stardust Rain ever did 1000 damage per hit normally, for well over 100 hits on large enemies, that would be amazingly unbalanced. =P


 * Shinkuu Senretsuha (Sword Rain: Tempest) and all other PS2-exclusive artes should be listed by their Japanese names, since the PS2 version was never localized. This is to fit with Kaenrekkuu, which has not received a localized name yet (it should when DotNW is released this winter though, since Lloyd has it in that game). The current localized name should be set below the kanji in parentheses, the same way all of the renamed attacks from Eternia are listed. The same should apply to Cross Thrust (Impact Cross, used by Gauche and Droite in Vesperia), Tempest (Tempest Strike, from RadiMai), and Double/Fierce Demon Fang (Twin Demon Fang, and Fierced Demon Fang, both used by Kratos in the cameo colosseum). Seriously wtf Namco...


 * Besides all of this, I think it looks much better now. I don't see anything important that needs to be fixed after this.


 * Oh, and are you going to continue with the Abyss pages, or should I go ahead with my own fixes?


 * Mayu Miyuki 00:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, Ground Breaker and Hail should be listed like that. I'll add them in, since I must have forgotten about them at the time. I did remember Woodrow/Garr had "Gale" (now Gale Shot) and "Decisive Slice" (now Severing Wind) at least. And Farah has Sync's attack names listed already.


 * Mayu Miyuki 03:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Addressing people
Just to clarify, this isn't directed at anyone in particular but, I have to admit, is meant for some people more than others.

All right, this has been rankling at my conscience for a while, but is there some way we can possibly be, well, nicer to the people who come here and edit? I mean, perhaps it would foster a better sense of community, or at least build one up, if we don't react to possibly misinformed edits with hostility. I mean, yeah, we have our vandals, but that doesn't change the fact that there might some people who really don't know and think they're adding information the wiki either doesn't have or has wrong. Can we at least try to address these people with some little bit of respect?

Maybe I'm being a bit crass right now. Maybe I'm not seeing something. It might be 'cause I missed the time when vandals ran amok. I don't know if I even have the right credentials to say this. But if we actually want people to stop by, we need to start acting like a wiki should be&mdash;welcoming new members, talking peacefully over changes... Basically, we can't act like elitist jackasses. Do you think you all can try to keep this in mind? Lanate (talk) 18:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay.--Emil Castagnier 19:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Am I a bad person? Wait... of course I am, that should go without saying, with the kind of things that I write. But I realize I keep acting like an elitist jackass a good majority of the time here, which reminds me why I don't ever ask for administrative rights on this site. But with what I do, I -feel- like an admin, and in the absence of an actual active admin, I feel like -the- admin, which serves only to bolster my ego.


 * I know I should lay off on the proverbial drugs, but they feel so good! In all kinds of ways. ;_;


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:05, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Er, wow I was kinda crass there wasn't I? I don't have any online presence, so I haven't dealt with people with strong thoughts and a forceful personality in a while, and I overcompensated in the other direction...  I just think we need to remember to assume good faith, that's all.


 * And to be honest, I think we need a more active admin because Category:Pages proposed for deletion is getting rather full~ Lanate (talk) 04:10, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Posting Welcome on User page

 * HEADDESK*

Lol, I feel stupid for making that mistake, thanks for the fix--GenoWhirl24 00:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Vesperia Weapons
If you'll look at how I formatted the "Charms" section of ToS - Accessories, I decided to list the "method of acquisition" so that things like shop or treasure locations are listed in-line with each other. This same format would help to decrease the vertical width for each weapon on the Vesperia weapon pages, though I'm not entirely sure if the synthesis requirements should also be listed the same way or in bulleted form like it already is. And I'm not saying to change it right away, it's just worth pointing out so the existing pages can eventually follow the same layout, or if my format choice is flawed - it does have the potential to stretch the page more horizontally now, especially important for the pages with lots of colums for attack/defense values and whatnot.

Mayu Miyuki 16:43, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw the edit you made. If space permits, the "synthesis" stuff should just be dumped onto a separate column. At the very least, it compresses things a lot more and removes a lot of whitespace, when you compare the edited section to the others on the same page. But yeah, like that.


 * We would be hard-pressed for horizontal space if we add the purchase/resale columns to your weapon pages though...


 * Mayu Miyuki 21:05, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * For the accessories page, the "strong/weak attributes" columns should be removed - resistance or weaknesses to given elements are part of the item's effects and should be displayed within the nested row. Besides, there are only two items on that entire page that force elemental weaknesses on the char anyway. The purchase/resale columns should be positioned next to the acquisition column, so that more relevant info can be placed closer to the left of the table.


 * As for the axes page... yeah. The skills should still have a separate column. Perhaps we should nest the acquisition stuff into a new line, since that's the part that stretches the table the most. We could add more space by removing the bullets for listing skills and synthesis items, as long as everything remains left-aligned. The purchase/resale stuff should be positioned before the synthesis info. Or, should we even have the buy/sell stuff at all? Bah, the roman alphabet system takes up way too much space... why do some of these weapons provide m.atk for characters that can't use it? >_>;;


 * And we should keep the sort-by-p.atk after all. At some point we can make a separate listing of all items that follow the game's (and most other JP wiki's) internal sorting system as a reference, probably numbered the same way that ToS - Bestiary page is handled, but with no other info to display.


 * Mayu Miyuki 13:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Can I remove the User space of tables for those pages where it truly doesn't matter? We can keep it on swords, axes, and the armor pages, where they're relevant, but for the other weapons there's only one character who uses them, so wouldn't it be better then to just make a note on the top that says "Repede is the only user of daggers in Tales of Vesperia" or something?  I could reintegrate the attributes into the columns at that point or leave it out to help. Lanate (talk) 00:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure, that works. Go for it.


 * Mayu Miyuki 11:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * W00t, the equipment lists for Vesperia are done! Numerous other games to tackle as well.  ;_;  Lanate (talk) 06:16, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Name of the arte type
Hey, I have a problem, and I thought you could maybe help me with it.

You know when I make individual arte pages, and how I put the name of the arte type different if it's for an unlocalized game, right? Well, I noticed that when you fix some of those pages, you do them differently. Please don't misunderstand, I really appreciate that you want to spend time on the individual pages, I just thought that if we could come into an agreement on how the arte type should be displayed, then it would be a lot easier for both of us. So, I was wondering if you had any suggestions?

Penamesolen 22:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, did I mess something up? Um, the way I see it, Kougeki Shoujutsu (攻撃晶術) is the way Big Bang's listed, right?  For the unlocalized, I'd do Kougeki Shoujutsu (攻撃晶術) to get Kougeki Shoujutsu (攻撃晶術) if I'm paying attention to what I'm doing.  For something that is localized, I'd do something like Fonic Hymns (譜歌) to get Fonic Hymns (譜歌).  And skip the nihongo template altogether if there isn't a Japanese term, like when we say Enemy Arte or something.  Um, my reasoning is the way the nihongo template's set out: word (japanese script) and skipping whatever isn't necessary.  What way do you suggest?  I was actually trying to copy what you already did.  Lanate (talk) 23:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it wasn't that. I just remembered once in the Judgment or Angel Feathers articel where you changed it to another format/layout/way, so I began pondering if it should be another way to show the arte type. That's really why I asked.


 * I see. Thank you very much. I'll begin doing that from now on, and I might try to change those I've already done when I have time. Just as a question, you know how ToS uses Lv.1 Special Attack instead of Base Arte, right? Am I then supposed to use Lv.1 Special Attack (特技), so that it becomes Lv.1 Special Attack (特技)?


 * Penamesolen 07:50, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep! The localization for that particular title should be used and the "quotes" could be used for the equivalent in later games if it got a retranslation. Lanate (talk) 18:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Game- and CharInfo-template
Sorry to bother you again, but do you remember what you did to the CharInfo-template, where every information not added will be taken away? Can you do the same with the GameInfo-template, please?
 * Sure. Again, revert if you don't want.


 * Also, the only thing I can't figure out how to do is preserve the rounded end at the bottom of the template. Lanate (talk) 02:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Jutsu?
I'm sorry for the short message again, but can you check your Japanese RadiMai and see if the magic artes there really are named "jutsu"? Since the NA version has it named "magic", I just want to know if it is "jutsu" or "majutsu" in the Japanese version.

Penamesolen 05:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * My JP RadiMai's at home. I'll check when I'm done with finals this weekend. Lanate (talk) 06:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it uses "Jutsu". Lanate (talk) 19:57, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Tales of the Tempest
I beat the game a week ago. You know what? *headbang* The final boss was a b*tch, always teleporting around, blowing me across the screen with a smack, and then dropping Sacred Shines, Embrace Ends, Meteor Swarms (which all had crappy graphics...  Meteor Swarm looked like random red stalagmites and Embrace End I had to check to read to realize it was water-elemental spell) and all that fun stuff. It was able to poison, and I couldn't figure out how to get Arria to heal, so I ended up spamming Gumis because she didn't deign to Nurse my entirely in red party. God, I hate not being able to micromanage spells. And I hate not being able to swap those four spells in mid battle. Tempest, I realized, was not worth importing at launch date.

I hate being raped in three directions without Glory and the only arte I had to clear multiple lines was a master arte, which you couldn't use by itself.

At least Innocence's gameplay is smooth. Even if I can't understand it, it helped while away my time at jury duty. Lanate (talk) 19:57, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Tempest is an eyesore. It could have had potential, but then again this was made by a contracted third party (Dimps), which isn't even a reliable game developer.


 * One tip, it might be best to control your mage character. That way, you can spam heals and nukes as much as possible, and avoid the usual "run to the enemy, whack once, run away" tactic that Rubia and Arria seem to enjoy, no matter how much TP they have or what strategy options you set them to. Two frontliners is more than enough to keep the enemies busy, if you keep them well healed.


 * Honestly, I would love to see a remake for Tempest. Most people say it's a shitty game that should never be mentioned again, but with the love Namco has been giving Caius and Rubia recently, it seems like they are trying to rebuild their reputation at least somewhat. Maybe in preparation for what Tempest should have been (and preferrably on a console). I mean, the three-line system this game uses could have done well if it didn't involve characters bumping into each other causing a momentary stun, and the graphics... Innocence is proof of what effort looks like, as it remains still as the best 3D graphics on the DS, actually pushing the system beyond what you expect from N64-era capabilities.


 * And the arte system... it's a horrible decision to limit party char AI to the four artes that you set into their shortcuts, and prevent you from changing them during battle. But in the case of the melee character that you control (and only the one you're controlling), it works better than most other games in the series. Using the set base artes to extend other bases and form longer-chained artes is a brilliant idea, since it gives you access to a LOT more than just four artes during battle. Of course, that wouldn't be a problem in a game that has shortcuts or multiple arte configs, or the ability to change shortcuts through the menu during battle, but I do hope they will revisit this version of the arte extension system someday. With much lower TP costs, dear god.


 * But yeah, the game as it is now, it's a complete failure. I'm glad it will never be considered for localization, as it would have killed the Tales series in the US, with zero hope of revival. I mean, this is the only game where you have to buy your skits! Eternia does the tent = skit thing too, only they're unlimited and free (and completely removed in the English versions).


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 03:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought that the extension system was innovative... except against bosses. When you have like zero chance of hit-stunning the enemy, there's very little chance you're even going to reach Master Artes, let alone Arcane Artes, before your opponent blows you across the screen or staggers you.  And that's if you can finish the Base Arte in the first place (I'm looking at you, Sword Rain), so it's doubly frustrating.  And Ditto on the TP costs.  I miss being able to recover TP with a basic attack (and that's one thing that I'm disappointed was not in Innocence), 'cause it felt like it was rewarding you for playing conservatively&mdash;or giving a viable alternative.


 * I would definitely love to see a remake, but with more meat to it. I thought it was utterly inexcusable to have giant, sprawling, sectioned-off maps whose only purpose was to frustrate the player by leaving it between cities and dungeons.  With the encounter rate as it was, the only boss that really gave me trouble was the final boss...  The rest I could bum rush through while only using TP-healing Gumis, simply because walking from place to place leveled me up tremendously.  And you can beat the final boss without even getting most of the artes your chars can get.


 * Even so, there looks to be enough party tension to make it, and any resulting skits, very interesting. The whole, "Luke, we are you family" schkit they pulled for Caius definitely threw me for a loop.


 * I'm playing Suikoden Tierkreis right now, and it's <3. Even though the graphics are inferior to Innocence (but damn, what 3-D games aren't?), I'm enough of a Suikoden fan that I'm loving it. Lanate (talk) 18:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks :D
With the flu I am not really in the mood to work, but thanks for helping out on the style page, I'll do the versus one so we can finally finish this thing, Thanks again!--GenoWhirl24 18:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * XD I'm being mostly selfish anyway with that page. I don't mind.  Lanate (talk) 18:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

All done, The style page is officially done until TH's translation.--GenoWhirl24 18:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Rich Text
Yep, I switch between the rich text and the wiki text, to make sure the links work.

Is that bad? :< Tokage 01:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, so it was always the rich text editor that causes those text autoformattings? Then it's not vandals/spammers intentionally making pointless changes? My mistake.


 * I should say that those edits that you and some others have been making, sometimes the code gets so compressed that it becomes hard to read things and find out where problems on a page might be found. I don't know why the rich text thing forces these things automatically, if that is indeed the case. I wonder why Wikia Central decided this would be a good idea to have in the first place, and why now, if we never had issues like this until a month ago.


 * If you want to keep using the rich text editor, then go ahead, we can clean up the page scripts after you. Also, you can use the preview function to ensure things will appear correctly enough. If they don't, you can look at other pages for examples. For instance, to show bolded text links, you can just type

Demon Fang
 * creating the link for Demon Fang, instead of using the method you had before where you masked the link, causing redundancy in the script. The ''' things go outside of the link tags.


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 02:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The different colors for the lists
I've been on vacation for three weeks, so I'm a little confused here... have the colors for the Title, Skill and Equipment lists changed on purpose, or is it just a misunderstanding? If it is the first, then exactly what color is for what, just so that I know?

Penamesolen 19:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ooh, yeah. We left this open for input, but basically we've been changing the colors for different types of tables so that everything isn't the same color anymore.  The current colors can be found here: User:Lanate/Table Testing.  Our discussion can be found on Mayu's talk page. Lanate (talk) 21:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

ToVS arte page stuff
Aww, I'm sorry for not doing all those things either >_<! It was my fault, I just get carried away :p. On the good side, I think I made a pretty good Senel page, at least ._.--GenoWhirl24 02:49, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

...Oh God, Mint's arte page is terrible ._.; I'll fix that soon >_<--GenoWhirl24 02:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Physical Artes
I'm sorry for bringing it up again here, but you never answered the last question for the categorizings, and I don't want to continue editing artes unless I know that what I'm doing is right. -Penamesolen 11:21, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Alice's Weapon
Reverting my change. How sad.

This is a horse whip: http://dckaleidoscope.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/horse-whip.jpg

It looks exactly like Alice's weapon apart from it's ornate hilt. It even makes the same swooshy sounds and has the leather on the end. Whoever came up with Toy Rapier is kidding themselves. Especially considering how she treats people, and calls them her pets. It being a horse whip is so obvious.

-User:Seifu
 * Compromise? Toy Rapier with whip implications?  I know the image it's supposed to invoke, but I can't really find sources either way and my eyes are starting to hurt from staring at the Alice concept art's notes. Lanate (talk) 05:06, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing
I just wanted to thank you for fixing the No Items Ever page. Much appreciated. : ) Nathbud789

Destiny and Eternia(aka Destiny 2)
Just a question but I have every tales game in america exept destiny and eternia. Would you recommend these games to play, because I'm thinking of getting them on ebay. Nathbud789

Re: Guardian
Referring to what you said on the guardian article's history. Watch this video and you'll see Senel use the skill against one Schwartz's spells. I don't believe it's an eres though it might a be a button command like guarding. I would check on my Legendia myself but it's all scratched up and doesn't load the game at all. --Misao Smile :) 06:31, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. I know that it's a button defense skill, but only the English version shouts "Guardian" as far as I'm aware.  I'm trying to avoid saying it's "Suigojin" if it really isn't, though I'm not sure what the Japanese version says.  And, to be honest, I'm a bit hesitant to open my JP copy of Legendia to check its manual.   Lanate (talk) 06:54, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Symphonia artes
Thanks for the Presea fix. I totally forgot that in order to use one of those altered artes you need to be dealing elemental damage, so the "normal" hit will also have that element too, hahaha.

I was wondering, for the Symphonia characters' arte pages, do you think it's worthwhile to add how a new skill is activated? Some of them are obvious, like using a level 1 tech to activate a level 2 tech after x uses, but for instance Regal's Triple Rage Kick is activated by a midair basic attack, which isn't as obvious, I think. Lig0schndr 08:50, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's obvious enough. All of Regal's midair attacks are sectioned off as, simply enough, "midair special attacks". It goes without saying that everything under that header should be used in midair, though even if they are used on the ground, Regal will always automatically jump to set himself up for the aerial attack.


 * Unless I'm misunderstanding you and you're actually talking about how the artes are actually acquired once the conditions to learn them have been cleared and the arte names appear in blue in the menu? That is largely extraneous information, even in this instance, as the artes never always activate for the first time even if you perform the required action. We have hardly enough space on these tables as it is, and if we add something for one arte, consistency rules that it must be done to all artes on all pages for all games with this system, Eternia and Symphonia.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:04, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah yeah, I meant the latter. I kind of figured it wasn't too necessary, but I wanted to ask. Thanks for the response. Lig0schndr 09:08, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Statues
I do have some Philosophers Stones from my last game, the problem is I only have two Quality Stones. I have to think about which statues I want. I'll see it for myself.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:05, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Did you seriously create that Abyss Accessory page in 1 day?
Wow... It took me three days to add all those armor pages to the site, and those pages were without Japanese names. The accessory page you made seems really complete, with Japanese names and tons of other stuff.

Impressive, you must be a wiki pro.

Editing your Enemy Artes list?
I was reviewing your Enemy Artes list today when I spotted several errors in both Japanese names and English translations. I would like to edit the list and correct them.

Although, since the list is technically yours to decide for, I figured I should at least ask for permission before editing the page.

LGT (talk) 11:22, April 7, 2012 (PST)
 * Um, sure. I'd prefer sources for anything changed though, unless it's to say that someone doesn't use xxx arte, at which point I'll try to find its source. Lanate (talk) 07:44, April 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Here's a small collage of the "sources" for my edits:


 * http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9379/34753530.png


 * Unfortunately, after searching for about a half of an hour, I've given up hope on finding a video where Maiden's Prayer or Shining Blastia Massacre is used, so I apologize for not finding proof regarding their English names.


 * LGT (talk) 02:11, April 8, 2012 (PST)
 * Thanks for catching those. Unfortunately, if I can't provide a source for myself, I try to leave it as ??? so that, at the very least, misinformation isn't spread. Lanate (talk) 15:03, April 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright then. I could care less about Maiden's Prayer, but I thought Shining Blastia Massacre was worthy of being searched for at least one more time, and I finally found it.


 * http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9394/55671411.png


 * LGT (talk) 10:20, April 8, 2012 (PST)

New Method
I noticed you have begun implementing a new method of listing "Appearances" and "Arte Family Outline" on arte pages. While I find it appealing, do you intend to begin altering arte pages that are not listed this way? Consistency is important. It would look flawed if certain arte pages have this look, while others do not. I am perfectly willing to assist you in doing so, but understanding your reasoning and intentions would greatly help. Moviebaby 19:51, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I put the concept on hold a long while back to rethink a couple of things... and promptly forgot about it once other things came up. The only working example of this format is on the Demon Fang page, and the main intent is to decrease page size for arte pages that are as lengthy as that one anyway. But anyway, my main concern is the "related" bit in the arte family outline, since people may decide unrelated things are related without justification. Anyway, more info about the format shift can be found on the talk page for Demon Fang itself, so you may want to read that conversation just to be informed. If the format shift is going to happen, it does need to happen on all of the pages within a reasonable timeframe, and I am not against making the shift already if that's what people want.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:43, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Animation Artes
You know, I was thinking a couple of months back about how we might be able to incorporate artes being used in the various anime/manga/omake into our individual arte pages. I was actually thinking precisely about Eternia's anime at that time (still trying to rewrite Reid and Meredy's char pages btw) , and I posted something on the TSF kinda recently which led me to mention Trinicus's Indignation in the Phantasia OVA. But I dreaded the idea of going through all of these works and taking records of each instance and user per episode. Still, these arte appearances definitely deserve some sort of mention, and I'm surprised that you came to a similar conclusion.

Also MUGEN ZEKKYOUJIN. If only the Father-Son Unison Attack is also a thing, but my mind was muddled by the Tales of Nights parody vids on moontube.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:11, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh, this was always at the tip of my mind as well. My enemy artes list (more like boss artes) is more or less caught up with all of the localized games, with only a couple of ??? that I can't find from online videos, so I decided to archive the anime stuff just because it caught my fancy as well.  I was going to tackle the Phantasia OVA next, as I actually have the dub DVD. Lanate (talk) 11:15, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Xillia in 4 days
Just wanted to let you know Tales of Xillia will be arriving in four days. You gonna get it or did you pre-order it already?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 13:22, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

lparchive stuff
Sorry to bother you. Regarding placing the template “delete” at the image depicting the Tower of Salvation’s destruction posted less than 24 hours before writing this comment, as a matter of fact I got permission from wdarkk (aka the owner of the LP of Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World). Details concerning the authorization can be found at Mayu’s talk page in archive 7 titled "images' explanation" or my talk page titled "Last Warning". Have a nice day. --Juan Ma (talk) 21:29, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I had a knee-jerk reaction and was unaware of the situation. Do you think that you could include a line either linking to the appropriate section or just explaining that the image is used with permission?  It might take care of future incidents as well. Lanate (talk) 21:44, November 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I keep explaining to Juan Ma that a technical description/summary for the image is -always- necessary, and every image I uploaded in the past shows exactly how it is to be done. And yet, all that I ever see is a "taken from ___" or occassionally a simple link. Yes, info about permissions should be included, along with every other bit of data that belongs on every single image upload, no matter how redundant it might seem. Each uploaded item is independent of every other item on the wiki. The problem is that Juan Ma keeps failing to do this, and every attempt to enforce this goes ignored anyway. That's why 98% of the images on this wiki will need to be deleted and replaced at some point. The copyright and source info is almost always lacking, and I would rather have things taken directly from our own games or the official Teichan sites, instead of grabbing them from some let's play or blog or other third party source.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:51, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I'm a newbie as you may have noticed. It gets on my nerves to see when some artes are complete stubs, that's why I tried to complete it.

Btw, I'm writing to ask you what are "MoS violations"?, which you surely know. I understood, as well, that I shouldn't leave texts incomplete, thanks. Another thing is that the picture does appear at the right side, in the picture gallery, but not in the page (in this case the Scare Shot page). Well, thank you.

--JavaTumorcitoh (talk) 04:20, November 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * First, you don't complete stubs by making more of them as new pages. You end up adding to the problem. Second, Manual of Style. Third, where did you get your images? Citations are required for every image upload to determine copyright status. Without this, the images will be deleted after 24 hours... or whenever I get around to doing it, in all practical sense.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:42, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Then I have another doubt. For every image I need a Citation, and this would be? By the way, one of the images I uploaded was a cropped screenshot of a playthrough. That is not acceptable or is it valid? Thanks for telling me about the Manual of Style. Another thing, you said that I made another page, that I did not complete the stub. How come this be? If the original stub no longer is a stub, or yes? "you don't complete stubs by making more of them as new pages", that is because I did not touch "Edit", correct?, and I made a contribution of a new page? Thanks in advance

--JavaTumorcitoh (talk) 17:27, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Artes
If you don't mind me asking, what does the mean on an arte page. http://aselia.wikia.com/wiki/Barrier?diff=prev&oldid=85682

Avocx (Talk) 11:27, July 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Localized term used in that specific game. Regardless, you don't need to know since you are not going to touch any other arte pages.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 13:02, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Translation method
I'm curious about how you get the romanizations for the various items, artes, etc. in the series. Do you actually know Japanese, or is there a way someone who doesn't know Japanese, like me, could do it? I ask because when I create new pages, I don't want to burden anybody else with adding romanizations.

dark blade arte
Hi there!

Since you are also playing Tales of Phantasia (IOS) have you ever executed the Dark Blade arte from Cress? ever since I got the master of secrets title the description says that I need to press the O, X, SQUARE buttoms (and a Ipad doesn't have them)...--Juan Ma (talk) 03:32, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * You need to double tap Cress's portrait under the same conditions. He can't use it when alone though. Lanate (talk) 04:01, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, good luckwith the IOS version too --Juan Ma (talk) 02:49, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Hey
Have you ever considered seeking administrative status on this wiki? You're the only other truly responsible and reasonably active user on this wiki, so it's crossed my mind a few times. I understand that Mayu has somewhat diverted from contributing and now only monitors occasionally (or perhaps more, and there may just be nothing that needs addressing). I'm okay with that. It's just that I think it would be nice to have a more solidified administration, even if it is just one additional admin, and you are literally the only candidate. It's just a thought. If it's not your thing, don't worry about it. If you like things the way they are now, that's fine as well. If monitoring isn't really your thing, you can leave that to me (and Mayu) and focus on other things that may require admin status, such as moving pages (which you specifically are essentially allowed to do anyway). I think three admins (with Mayu being a partial component due to her continued presence here) is ideal. This isn't to say that I don't approve of Mayu's partially active status, however. It's just something I see that could only be a benefit. If it's something you're interested in and would like to try obtaining, you have my support. I'm sure other users, including Mayu, would be supportive as well.

Arosia (talk) 04:22, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

That does make sense. I was thinking about that too. Your contributions, the way people talked about you. I'd say you deserve it.

Riku the Bloody (Talk) 11:25, September 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll think about it. I've a fairly active admin elsewhere and, to be honest, my Tales knowledge is pretty much limited to localized games only. It's something I'll have to consider. Lanate (talk) 02:34, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

That's fine. Honestly, I'm only beginning to explore unlocalized games, so you're not entirely alone there. You're very organized and familiar with the MoS. You have a solid writing style, and your expertise in some of the more technical aspects of the wiki are beneficial. Whereas I barely touch arte pages and various lists, you excel in their development. I prefer focusing on character pages and occasionally location pages. As of now, I'm particularly invested in the wiki's infrastructure, in which I've been deleting images, re-uploading them properly with the necessary content/citation, and building our image infrastructure by ensuring we have all of the most pertinent images from the official sites themselves. In other words, I find you quite qualified, so if it's something you're willing to do, I think you should. I'll let you think about it.

Arosia (talk) 03:59, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Have you thought about this any?

Arosia (talk) 00:25, September 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * I've thought it over, and if you, Mayu, and whatever other editors pop in agree with it, I think I can handle the responsibility. Lanate (talk) 03:10, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

You already have my support, and Kikonu's as well, I guess. I'm sure Mayu will approve, and that should be all the support you need. Do you know how to request for adminship?

Arosia (talk) 05:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * No, unfortunately. I got my adminship through an active bureaucrat on my other wiki. Lanate (talk) 18:38, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Will this help? Because I'm sure Arosia and Mayu can use a hand. You truly worked for this.

Riku the Bloody (Talk) 22:07, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we don't have any active bureaucrats at this time. I may try convincing Mayu to seek status one day. Anyway, I actually obtained my adminship through atypical means, but I believe all you have to do is provide the staff at Wikia Central with evidence of support from your local editing community, as well as any local admins. I believe you can contact them through here, explain your situation, and provide a link to your user talk page. I'm still at work right now and am unable to investigate the necessary steps, so you could try that and see if it works. We'll figure it out one way or another.

Arosia (talk) 22:34, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Any news? If you want, I can try to take care of it, seeing as how I have to contact them soon anyway in regard to the whole moving/renaming pages thing.

Arosia (talk) 22:07, September 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hm, I haven't had a chance to go do anything yet. If you can mention it when you do the whole moving/renaming thing, that'd be awesome. Lanate (talk) 02:15, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

Done. I should know something within two business days.

Arosia (talk) 06:41, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

Will I ever be like you, Lanate?

Riku the Bloody (Talk) 19:00, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

Shanha and Sylphie Roll
Yes, we might as well use the localizations used in Project X Zone as if they are official also. Basically, the only non-Tales games where this would apply are this and Soulcalibur Legends (Lloyd). Other non-Tales games with Tales artes are not localized, as in Namco X Capcom and Keroro RPG. However, I wouldn't consider the artes that cross over into the Star Ocean series, despite sharing the same origins as Tales through Yoshiharu Gotanda, since Namco took Tales in another direction. The other non-Tales games invoke the artes/chars as cameos intended to invoke Tales concepts.

Viewing this in the reverse, I already considered the arte names used by the Kite costume in NariDan X to be most-recently-localized through .hack//G.U. (Haseobelzaku's twinsword action trigger skills/rengekis, since Kite's moveset in NariDan X is based on his appearance in .hack//LINK rather than in .hack//IMOQ). I don't think I properly did this with the Tekken chars (Asuka and Heihachi) but they should follow suit unless overridden by Tales (ie. Raijinken fist-type used by original-Lilith and based on Heihachi).

Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 14:46, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll keep that in mind as I play my way through Project X Zone. It's a bit of a slough. Each chapter takes like an hour! It was funny seeing Flynn's good-natured deference to authority get abused by Devilotte though. Lanate (talk) 02:34, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Community support
You'll probably need to acknowledge the new forum post in some way for it to be effective.

Arosia (talk) 23:47, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Congrats! I've promoted you to sysop and will be sure to add you to the administration page. Enjoy!

Arosia (talk) 22:04, September 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll be sure to use my powers well! (￣^￣)ゞ Lanate (talk) 03:31, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

By the way
Feel free to add to this if you want. I wasn't sure of all the best and most credible translation sites, so I kinda left that for you, or Mayu, or me another time when I feel like researching it. I don't know about you, but it helps when I have a portal of source links on one page that I readily use when editing. Feel free to add what you want to it, and thank you for your help with the arte pages.

Arosia (talk) 04:08, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

I'll just post on this conversation since it's easier. I noticed you changed the capitalization in the Wikipedia links on the Rieze Maxia page. While I don't particularly mind this and it makes no difference in the output, I have always capitalized it whenever I came across it. So now we have a very minute inconsistency that nonetheless bothers my OCD. Is there any way to rectify this easily?

Arosia (talk) 05:48, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Not really, no. I mean, we can go back to what it was before, it's just that I usually see interwiki links written as lowercase. Lanate (talk) 02:36, October 1, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, okay. In that case, I'll change it to lowercase whenever I come across it from now on.

Arosia (talk) 02:40, October 1, 2014 (UTC)

Xillia 2
You've played Xillia 2, right? Where will we write the character chapters? Other characters are always involved.

11:12, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * ...well, you shouldn't be touching those pages, but character chapters belong on that character's page and maybe the others if it ties into their character development, like how Milla's character episodes illustrate how she and Elle grow closer. Lanate (talk) 04:33, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back!
Sorry for the delay. Hope you had a good time. Nice to have you back.

Arosia (talk) 04:26, October 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Haha, glad to be back and poking my head in. Lanate (talk) 04:33, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Hey
Are you familiar with this website? I actually remember it from a long time ago, and I happened to stumble upon it again recently. Just curious, seeing as how you're sort of a ToP buff.

Arosia (talk) 04:53, October 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Haha, yeah, I remember it. I still reference it and its Destiny and Eternia pages for a lot of things! It's actually listed as the source for a bunch of our Phantasia SFC pages. Lanate (talk) 05:09, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Wasn't sure. I was just browsing around on it, and I noticed that it actually has a lot of useful information. I'll have to check out the ToD and ToE pages.

Arosia (talk) 06:04, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Um...Lanate. I know that I'm pretty new here but I need some help. I don't really sure that Julius can use the Falling Thunder arte but I think he can because both Ludger and Julius have the same artes, right?--Zeronamae (talk) 11:37, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Hi
Do you know who these characters are? I was going to upload their images to the wiki. Thanks.

Arosia (talk) 00:01, December 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Peridot Harmotome (left), Pyrox Ferro (right). The image itself comes from the Developer's Blog.


 * Happy Holidays! Lanate (talk) 00:45, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Thanks. Can you list the names of the other characters with official artwork on that page as well? I'll upload them all.

Happy Holidays to you.

Arosia (talk) 00:58, December 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * This one's last image is Paraiba Tourmaline.
 * This one is a Cloud Sheep, Windum, Windum, Corundum, Tetsu Hagane.
 * This one's last image is the Seraph Bros, Clinoseraph and Chlorseraph.
 * This one's first image is Coral, Aqua Marine, and Azide Silver.
 * This one's Amethyst Von.
 * This one's Incarose and Paraiba Tourmaline. Lanate (talk) 01:17, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I uploaded a few.

Arosia (talk) 04:56, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Cameo names on Xillia 2
I found all four artes are named in after Arena battle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt6f1pQQWKA
 * Time Stop
 * Final Embrace
 * Phoenix
 * Final Justice

Check in 6:16 to 6:22. Windywalk (talk) 00:48, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks for the link. On arte pages, we usually don't list artes that only appear in text form in appearances section (see Angel Feathers and Prism Stars), but they can be mentioned in description body. Lanate (talk) 03:11, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Arte pages
Lately, I've been noticing a lot of discrepancies among arte pages, which I feel needs to be addressed and resolved. The format Mayu has listed on the Japanese page isn't applied everywhere, and since arte pages have been experiencing a surge in activity recently, I feel as if we need to clarify things. I would like for you to ensure that everything on that page is up-to-date and how it should be. If there's something you'd like to implement, please do it. Afterward, I can add an arte page set-up to the MoS and enforce it more thoroughly - or, if you'd like to do it yourself, just let me know. I'm coming to you for this because it's not my specialty, and Mayu isn't really around anymore. We can no longer simply claim that arte pages are a dead project; I won't have dead projects on this wiki. Everything is open to being improved as long as it is done correctly, but users can't accomplish this if there aren't specific guidelines. I want to hear your opinion on this, as well as what things you think may need to be updated, or what changes may need to be made. I've noticed one user repeatedly bulleting arte quotes, which I actually think looks better than the way it is now, but like I said, I want to hear from you. This is your area of expertise.

Arosia (talk) 22:41, January 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * There are a some things I sort of want to experiment with, but if we are to move forward on the artes pages, there are things I think we should address:


 * 1) One of the major issues I've been noticing is the organization of the appearances section. As someone who's updated them repeated, I can say this: it's hard and convoluted. The absolute worst thing to handle, however, is when the Japanese and English release dates wildly differ, leading the entire thing to look like a mess. In its original format, I believe it was designed to track how localization changed from game to game, but I believe that can either be handled better by a subpage or a subsection. I would propose organizing by its original release date while grouping ports/remakes together, like how things are listed on the character templates.
 * 2) Pages with multiple artes are unwieldly at the moment. Given the success we've had with tabs lately, I set up a test page on how to incorporate them to reduce vertical page length, though some input would be nice as I can't decide between the two.
 * 3) I like the concept of bullets pointing the quotes, as long as the quotes that have multiple lines (like the cut-scene ones on Indignation) remain unbulleted.
 * 4) As much as I liked Mayu's appearance change that appears on Demon Fang, I think the NavFrame is something we can do without. On the other hand, the "Arte Family Outline" would be interesting to incorporate site-wide and help define the web of connected artes.
 * 5) Do you have any specific thoughts or concerns?


 * I can write up something on the Manual of Style. Lanate (talk) 06:25, January 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * 1) I agree with organizing by original release date and grouping ports/remakes together.
 * 2) I agree that tabs have been a success, and I believe they make many pages look better organized. I like that test page, although I prefer Version 2 because it makes the sections appear more distinguishable.
 * 3) Fair enough. Bulleting for quotes unless they have multiple lines.
 * 4) I agree that the NavFrame idea can be scrapped in this case, but as for the "Arte Family Outline", I'll leave that decision to you. I don't mind it, but I feel it may be a large task to accomplish - at least in the immediate future.

I really don't have any particular concerns, seeing as how this really isn't my area, but I like and agree with your ideas. Also, I began to notice that even I was messing up the quotation format that is listed on that Japanese page, although like I said, the format isn't consistent throughout all the arte pages. How would you like it to be done? I prefer "incantation" over "quote", seeing as how using the term quote, a verb, is actually incorrect in this case - it should be quotation, a noun. Some will argue that is can be used as both a noun and verb, but my teachings have instructed me otherwise. If anything, it's more slang or an abbreviated version of the complete word. What do you prefer?


 * -|Example 1=
 * Japanese Quote: [Japanese Text]
 * Romanized Quote: Romanized Text
 * Translated Quote: "Literal Translation"
 * Localized Quote: "Localized Text"
 * -|Example 2=
 * Japanese Quotation: [Japanese Text]
 * Romanized Quotation: Romanized Text
 * Translated Quotation: "Literal Translation"
 * Localized Quotation: "Localized Text"
 * -|Example 3=
 * Japanese Incantation: [Japanese Text]
 * Romanized Incantation: Romanized Text
 * Translated Incantation: "Literal Translation"
 * Localized Incantation: "Localized Text"
 * -|Example 4=
 * Japanese Text: [Japanese Text]
 * Romanized Text: Romanized Text
 * Translated Text: "Literal Translation"
 * Localized Text: "Localized Text"

There's also the option of using "Romanization" or "Translation", which I've seen in a few places, as well. Let me know what you think.

Arosia (talk) 18:57, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

If you don't mind me chipping in, I think that "Japanese/Romanization/Translation/Localization" model would be nice for descriptions and quotes because it's a single word for each and just short. For the game order listing I'd actually appreciate a project- or helpspace with proper order. Also, for the games with no official English localization I'd like to see the Japanese names for artes since it looks actually a bit weird seeing some entries having names in parentheses with their official localized names, and then there are games without them and having a romanization/translation for them would be nice; it could be in different parentheses, e.g. "<" and ">", or "[" and "]", or "{" and "}". And I'd like to see a mention about placement of etymology information for some artes: it could be even in an introductory paragraph or a paragraph after that if you don't want to have "Trivia" section just for that.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:32, January 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * @Arosia, even though formal English is quote-verb, quotation-noun, I feel that the word's meaning has sufficiently evolved that quote-noun is accepted in all but the most formal situations. I tend to advocate its use as a noun due to succinctness, and I don't particular like incantation because, well, I don't consider what's currently listed in Ritual of Destruction as an incantation while preferring wording standardization. I lean towards Example 1 with Example 2 as a second vote, and would rather not use Example 4 because "Text" looks more appropriate to something that's written (like the arte description) rather than pretty much solely voiced.


 * Also, I can see that it would probably be a problem, so the arte family outline can probably be scrapped unless someone really, really wants to tackle it.


 * @Kaimi, for the appearances, I feel like it would be redundant to list the Japanese name in that section, as we consider artes to be the same despite different localized names by their Japanese names. On the Demon Fang page, it would literally be seeing  repeated on every line; no information gained for page clutter. A help space for order that can be applied to character templates and to arte pages is a good idea, and I think etymology could be inserted into the "Arte Description and History" section, especially if it's relevant to game theme or because it's the mutation of a previous arte.


 * We also still need to have Quote/Description because we list both quotes and the in-game descriptions, so some way to distinguish them is needed.


 * Lanate (talk) 21:30, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Good points, Lanate. Like I said, not my area lol. Example 1 it is, so nothing will need to be changed in that regard. We just need to enforce it and abide by it. The "Japanese/Romanization/Translation/Localization" model isn't descriptive enough, in my opinion. Now that I see Lanate's points, I feel the current format is best. Etymology for arte names is almost always brief, so including it in the "Arte Description and History" section will suffice. Lanate, if you'd like, I'll wait for you to add this format, taking into account the points we've addressed, to the MoS.

Arosia (talk) 22:03, January 24, 2015 (UTC)