User talk:Arosia

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Aselia! Thanks for your edit to the God Generals page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Mayu Miyuki (Talk) 00:26, 2011 May 31

You're very welcome.
I try. Swords are done, Spinners are done, Plates, Cloaks, Bandannas, Ribbons, Gauntlets, Mittens, they're done too.

Still working on Monsters and Accessories. I'm on Chapter 8 and I beat the Katz treasure Quest. Haven't gone to the Martel Temple yet.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 04:16, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

I just wish...
I wish Mayu was as nice as you. I tried to help with the Spider and Chrpee family artes ad skills and she tells me to leave. I also found out Purger evolves into itself when it reaches Level 40. But it's yet to be known if it's true for the other 7 artificial summon spirits. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:23, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Also I found out Thinker evolves into itself at level 40 as well. Which means it is true for the other artificial Summon Spirits as well. And I found out that Raven evolves into Izimbra at level 30 and Sea Wyvern evolves into Fire Drake at Level 30 too And Base stats of Grave Digger and Black Wolf. But you probably already saw that from the Recent Changes section.

Hmmm... I was thinking about adding a "Tales of Xillia" portion to the Efreet, Undine, Sylph and Gnome articles since they were in those games, along with Volt and (I'm not sure of this) Celsius, but what do we really know about them other than their physical forms?

Anyway, thanks for understanding. If you have an Email account, could you do me a favor? Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:00, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Awesome. I need you to go to [Tarasands.com] and ask her if she was Seles Wilder and Verius in ToS:DotNW and if Janice Kawaye was there as Alice and Presea. Can you do that? Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 20:25, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Nice. I have the info, but I need it verified by her. Send a copy of her resonse to me and another to Mayu.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:35, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Two things
1. Did you send that e-mail to Tara yet?

2. Do you know anything about the Sacred Beast Fenia?

Just wondering.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:28, April 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Let me stop you right now Winxfan. I told you before to stop making pages, but like everything else I tell you, you happily ignore it and do precisely what I tell you not to do. That is part of why your page for Fenia was deleted, aside from failing to follow our formatting requirements for characters as stated on the Manual of Style. Oh, and the other recent edits that you made to different pages also had to be fixed by me because you also failed to follow the Manual of Style. When will you learn, if ever?


 * Now if you really want to have a page for Fenia... guess what, I will be the one to do it, on my own time, when I have the interest to make the page, unless someone else is willing and able to make a fully fleshed out essay on the character and her role in Tales of Rebirth before I decide to do so, perhaps years from now. Two sentences is hardly enough to explain her significance in spite of what you seem to believe, and since you are incapable of providing more on your own, maybe you should stop pressuring others to do your work for you. I will do the work myself, with my own efforts, and I do not want you to add to my workload by giving me more things to fix. And guess what? I have priorities. Unfortunately, fixing the problems you cause has to override them every day, meaning I can never get to my priorities when I -do- experience the good graces of having time to work on anything at all.


 * This thing with the voice actors is also something that you seem to be passing off to someone else just because you will continue to refuse to believe that your assumptions are only assumptions, especially through the way you worded your request to this user here. Just accept that the names will remain listed as uncredited and unknown until first-party sources can be cited, and I don't trust the concept of having our own users start email conversations which certainly can be doctored to fit what you believe to be true. That, more than anything, is why first-party sources are required, not third-party independent research and biased interpretation. The fact that you are trying to drag someone else down with you into your schemes because I refused to take part in them just shows your own refusal to accept anything I keep trying to tell you. And yet you still think you are being treated unfairly, when I think I am being far more tolerant of your mischief than you ever deserved.


 * To Moviebaby, I am sorry to hijack your userpage like this, but Winxfan doesn't even know how to keep conversations confined to a single page so that problems like this are archived properly without having to switch back and forth between pages just to see replies. I would like to have posted this on Winxfan's page, but it would mean that I must start yet another section on her page since it is disjointed from past conversations, and I know that she is bound to reply on my user talk page with a new section as well. In fact, I doubt she read my most recent reply on the latest section she created on my talk page, one which expresses exactly how I feel about this lack of concern from Winxfan over everything I tell her, because she ignores everything I say without fail every time, and I merely expect it to continue since she refuses to leave, as if she wants me to abuse the powers I have for the sole purpose of defeating vandals and bots. But no, that's giving her too much credit, I think. Do what you wish for yourself, provided that you follow our requirements as established in the Manual of Style, and that you do not create pages with such minimal content such that they might as well not exist anyway, like this most recent page for Fenia which I had to delete for the second time. I am reconsidering my inaction of leaving the Magnar page undeleted as well for the same reason. If full essays cannot be created, then the pages are better off not existing while focus is granted towards the existing pages which are not yet full essays, so that they can be un-stubbed and finally be appreciated as properly completed articles on this wiki.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:10, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry Winxfan, apparently it is not such a good idea. Not to mention, I'm very busy and do not have a whole lot of time to commit to these projects which seem to be geared more toward your own interest.

Please listen to Mayu. I believe she knows what is best. Moviebaby 03:20, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Edit summaries
''>I have no idea why the wiki is cutting my Edit Summaries. Anyone...?''


 * The edit summaries have a character limit. Don't try to fit a large explanation because it will be cut off. Although if you use the Monobook skin which is the skin that this wiki is designed for, the summary box will prevent you from typing more once you hit the text limit. If the awful "new look" skin is allowing you to type more, then it's merely another flaw in the skin design which gives another reason to change it, though I can only suggest that people do so since Wikia Central already stealthily removed the ability of admins to set which skin would be the default. But even if the "new look" is the default, we will not and do not support that skin, so everything is best viewed on Monobook to get rid of the obnoxious width limitations and social media applets and all of those other unnecessary frills which do get in the way of the actual wiki content. You can change the skin through your user preferences - the Monobook skil is basically the same look as classic Wikipedia until they changed their skin too.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:00, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

All right, thanks! Moviebaby 16:36, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Heya, on the weapon thing in the fighting style sections
I think that stuff is best placed in the trivia section. I agree that it is not fighting style material, so I always opposed having them where they are on the pages, but another user really wants these things to be listed. We might as well see it as trivia since it can be useful info to some extent.

On the specifics of fighting style, I want those sections to describe the way they fight or otherwise contribute to battles, which is why I prefer to avoid quantitative lists of artes. Examples are okay to have, but it should not become a reiteration of a char's entire movelist... though exceptions are made when it comes to enemies which have no arte lists anyway. Artes should not be described in detail if pages for those artes already exist unless it is for the sake of context, and this is why I usually want to see mystic arte info removed since those pages devoted to the mystic artes usually have the same info already. Again, mystic artes can be used as examples to show that a character fights in a certain way, which is why they don't really have to be purged from pages. It's just that any detailed description of the artes belongs elsewhere, and yet this is usually what the random editors tend to add into the pages, as if a mystic arte defines a char's fighting style rather than the other way around as it should be. This idea is rather prevalent around the official Tales forums, and that's what led to my comment about usually deleting mystic arte info.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:44, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see. So sorry I went ahead and removed the information concerning the weapons. However, I pretty much remember the contents, and can add them to the appropriate Trivia sections if you need me to. As for the fighting style sections, most are a mess, and while I am trying to clean them up, I wasn't entirely sure on how they are specifically supposed to be set up, so thank you for cleaning that up for me. I will continue to work on them without resorting to providing numerous examples of their artes. Feel free to fix anything I may have completely screwed up. Again, sorry. Moviebaby 07:57, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hey
I'm back.

I see you redone my thing about the Abandoned Factory. It's ok. It was kinda detailed. Anyway, I am back and ready to help in any way I can.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:41, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

About the info I posted on the Gelda Nebilim article
The reference I placed at the bottom of the page is a timelime that talks about many facts about the game. Nebilim was born at ND 1996 and dies at ND 1998 because of Jade's fonic arte as you may know. Tales of the Abyss is a game with such a interesting backstory that simply couldn't be added to the game itself. I discused that topic a while ago with Mayu. You can check the talk page from Yulia Jue since the explanation is there. If you read the page about Yulia you can notice that it cantains a lot of information that doesn't appears in the game. --Juan Ma 21:02, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

I assumed it was most likely listed in that timeline, but thank you for clarifying. Moviebaby 21:06, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

No problem at all Juan Ma 21:29, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again
It would be better if it came from you.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:21, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Undine and St. Binah
I was gonna talk about how different Legretta's eyes were in color, but that was stupid. So I come to talk about something else:

First, for Undine, why did Mayu use the Undine art from Vesperia instead of Symphonia for her article's infobox? The same said for Volt and Sylph. Shouldn't the summon spirits all have pics from the same game in their infoboxes?

Also, my St. Binah info. Tell me what you think:

St. Binah is a village in Rugnica in Tales of the Abyss

First arrival
After escaping from the Tartarus, Luke Fon Fabre along with Tear Grants, Jade Curtiss, Guy Cecil and Fon Master Ion head there, only to find the place occupied by Oracle Knights. They sneak in thanks to Rose, who owed them for solving the store house crimes in Engeve.

Once inside, they meet Field Marshal McGovern and his son Glenn McGovern, who received a letter from Anise Tatlin saying she was going ahead to Kaitzur. Before leaving they catch a glimpse of five of the six God Generals: Arietta the wild, who heard from the Ligers about the death of the Queen, Largo the Black Lion, who they meet on the Tartarus, Synch the Tempest, Legretta the Quick and Dist the Reaper (who refers to himself as Dist the Rose). After the knights move out, Luke and the others leave.

Evacuation
After hearing that St. Binah would fall, Luke and Tear return to prevent that from happening along with Anise, Jade, Guy and Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear. They see that St. Binah was slowly sinking, but were delayed by Dist and his Kaiser Dist RX. They return with the Albiore II just in time to evacuate everyone and watch as St. Binah slowly falls into the Qliphoth.

I know it needs work but I'm working from memory.

Chesedonia is a big one. Lots of stuff happens there.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:24, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

We always use the most recent, updated images of anything. Since Vesperia is newer than Symphonia, its artwork takes priority. As for the St. Binah information, I will clean it up and see if it is a sufficient amount of information to create a page. Moviebaby 02:46, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

That would explain it. But if Vesperia is the newest, why not use the pics of Efreet and... Never mind I answered my own question.

There was sidequest stuff but that was walkthrough material which is not allowed: the St. Binah Giant Tree origin and the Noir Fanclub bit where this Ayn guy gives 200 Gald to pay his dues and after that Tear confronts him about the actual price: 1000 gald so he pays them 800 gald to compensate.

Fubras River was interesting but I'll save that for when the St. Binah thing is done.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 03:45, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

The sidequest information is not needed. I just completed the page, and it now has plenty. It does, however, need an image. Anyway, feel free to provide me with more information for the sake of creating pages and/or adding to existing ones. I begin remembering things as I'm reading and editing other's writings.

By the way, I found this image which would look beautiful on Grand Chokmah's page once it's created: It's from here.

Moviebaby 04:06, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I see you used most of my info, and the pic for Grand Chokmah looks awesome.

BTW, I noticed a location missing in the template: Fubras River, which I believe is in Malkuth, on the continent of Rugnica.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 04:08, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, you're right, but we're getting ready to re-do those templates anyway. Soon, we should have location templates for more than just Symphonia and Abyss. Moviebaby 04:13, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

That's good. BTW, did you know that the Temple of Earth article didn't have a Symphonia Location Template for it? I had to add that.

I know you guys are busy with the thing but here it goes:

Fubras River:

Fubras River is a river located in the Rugnica Plains.

It is here that Jade Curtis teaches Luke fon Fabre about the benefits of Fields of Fonons and what kind of effect they have on Artes.

Near the exit Luke, Jade, Tear Grants, Guy Cecil and Fon Master Ion are confronted by Arietta and her friends the Ligers, who have sworn revenge against Luke and his friends for killing her mother, the Liger Queen. Just as she was about to kill them, an earthquake hit and a purple gas gushed out from the ground. Thinking fast, Tear used the second of Yulia Jue's hymns, Force Field to keep them safe from the gas, which was called Miasma.

Jade was about to kill Arietta but Luke stopped him and they soon left.

That's pretty much it, unless you count the part where Jade finds another stone which unlocks one of his Arcane Artes, which you won't.

Anyway, I'll send the info and you work on it from there.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:21, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, here is the new Fubras River page. Moviebaby 18:45, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

And thank you for making it. Next up is Kaitzur, it's Naval Port, Choral Castle and Theor Forest and that'll be Rugnica done. But Shouldn't Kaitzur be neutral territory as there are both Kimlascan and Malkuth soldiers there, and it's a border? And then theres Deo Pass, which is North of Kaitzur. The way I see it any areas North of Kaitzur are Malkuth territory and any areas South of there are Kimlascan territory. Complicated but still.

Anyway, here's Kaitzur: Kaitzur is a fortress that is stationed on the border of Rugnica. The north end is controlled by Malkuth Soldiers and the south end is Kimlascan territory.

Here, Luke fon Fabre and the others catch up to Anise Tatlin, which Guy Cecil meets for the very first time, who couldn't get through without a passport. Suddenly they are attacked by the sixth God General, Asch the Bloody, but are saved by none other than Van Grants, Tear Grants' brother. Luke was happy to see him again and decides to explain the situation.

He also gives them passports to cross the border.

Upon returning to Kaitzur to stop the war between the two kingdoms, Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear and her party try to stop Jozette Cecille and her troops only to be too late.

That's all I remember. Sorry.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 21:12, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Kaitzur is nuetral territory. As I said before, those location templates will be re-done here soon. Anyway, I created the page and added a sufficient amount of information. Moviebaby 22:03, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Cool. It's nice we're collaberating on this.

Edit: You want info on the Kaitzur Naval Port?

The Kaitzur Naval Port is a port that is south of Kaitsur and west of Choral Castle.

Upon Arrival, Luke fon Fabre, Tear Grants, Guy Cecil, Jade Curtiss, Anise Tatlin and Fon Master Ion find the place under attack by Arietta the Wild. She kidnapped the engineer who could fix the ship under orders from Asch and fled to Choral Castle, and demanding that Luke and Ion come there.

Van Grants orderd Luke and the others to stay and went to get help, but Luke decided to go anyway.

After savng the Chief they board the Katsbert Ferry and head to Chesedonia.

During the goodwill mission to Akzeriuth, Luke and the others, along with Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear stop here before heading off.

Darn Natalia has a ridiculously long name.

And could you add a little more to the whole Keterburg article. Like this:

Arrival
Upon arriving in Keterburg, everyone but Jade were amazed at how beautiful the city was.

When they entered the Casino Guy Cecil explained a little about how popular it was. Anise Tatlin wanted to earn some easy money but was denied chps since minors weren't allowed in the casino and she was a minor.

Before Luke fon Fabre and his friends saw the Governor, Anise spotted a house and wanted to marry whoever owned it. Jade explained that the manor belonged to Emperor Peony IX which made Anise happy. Guy explained that Peony was not born in Grand Chokmah, but in Keterburg due to a power struggle.

Uopn arrival at the Governor's house, Governor Nephry was releved to see that Jade, her brother (which shocked everyone) was alive, and offered her help to repair the Tartarus. As everyone left, she told Luke to see her later.

That night she explained how her brother invented Fomicry and about the woman who changed his life: Gelda Nebilim, who was unintentonally killed by Jade when he was a boy.

Jade confronted Luke about the matter saying it was a sin he could never erase.

Dist the Idiot
The group came back after retrieving the Flight Stone from Daath at the somewhat idiotic request from Dist the Reaper, who sent them the invitation to keep them away from Daath, and nearly froze to death. Nephry wanted Jade to be nice to Dist since the three of them were friends since childhood, and freezing to death was punishment enough for him. In the hotel room where Dist was sleeping Jade "interrogated" Dist and when he got the information, he came out as if nothing happened between them. Dist was then taken into custody by the Malkuth Military.

The Night Before
Luke and Jade Talked.

The last part needs work and I don't know if there was any more to that. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:02, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Winxfan. Regardless of Mayu's words, I do not believe in information being wasted. I would like to say let's just wait until she creates the pages herself, but that will probably never happen. This wiki isn't going to expand because of Mayu; it's going to expand because of people wanting to put in the effort. Granted, she used to contribute a lot to this wiki, but she has lost her willpower to do so anymore. This is not a bad wiki. We have more content than a majority of wikis, a lot of it accurate and well-written. So, unlike her, I choose not to give up on this wiki. Her job can remain edit-stalking and blowing up people's talk pages who don't listen to her.

Anyway, back to the information. There is one thing I agree with Mayu about: working on existing pages. I know it seems more like a chore than anything else, but if we could really focus on some of our content that we already have, we would be in pretty good shape. Unlike her, I will not ignore your contributions. I will work on them myself and expand this wiki. If I create a page with a sufficient amount of information, adhering to the Manual of Style, and completely accurate, then she would be considered the vandal in deleting it. An admin's powers are only so much as the community allows. Her job is to monitor this wiki for vandalism, bots, and so on. However, this wiki does need work on existing pages. I will do my best if you do your best, Winxfan. This wiki also needs advertising. Let's get it going again. I believe a lot of people use it, but don't bother to edit it. We should consider polls and such, but that's a whole other issue.

Moviebaby 18:13, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. We should consider the possibility. Nice work on Kaitzur Naval Port by the way. Mayu's job is rough.

What did you think of the Keterburg info I put up? Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 21:15, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Keterburg needs a lot more information. I would expand it myself, but I would have to refresh my memory on everything that occurs there. In other words, it may require a little time before it's created. In the meantime, feel free to work on expanding existing pages or providing information for a page that doesn't require a lot, such as Choral Castle. Moviebaby 21:23, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

I've been there so I'll put in the plot info only. No Sword Dancer #1 and no Kings Portrait.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:34, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Image Uploads
I told you just recently that image uploads should only come from the source or one of our affiliates, and not from random blogs. This includes screenshots from the games, and by extension, from the various anime series as well. These screenshots are the property of the person who uploaded them to their own blog, and so everything that you are using is automatically under copyright violation. Screenshots must always be captured with your own resources and stated to be uploaded under CC-BY-SA. Anything that is not captured by you is the property of the person that did capture it, even if they did capture it from their own games/anime episodes. The fact that you are getting the images from a blog at all should have been a blatant red flag to you who should know better than this already. This has the potential to be such a legal tie-up, and I am so fatigued from attending an important event today that I do not have the interest to delete every image and undo every relevant edit. So please, do it yourself, and I will delete the images in the morning tomorrow.

And finally, regarding spellings that are used on the timeline that you are already referencing, do note that it is a translation of material that is written in Japanese, and so translation differences will always exist in things which do not have any official localization. One other translation of the timeline suggested that Freyr Albert's name is Flail Albert. In other words, people can invent whatever names they want, and we will not be obliged to use them or anything else that is invented by the fan translation community. I chose to use "Frank" because it makes sense to me, with the absence of a localized spelling. That's really all there is to it, but it's open to community input as to if it should be changed or not, again in the absence of a localized spelling. As soon as some localization of the name does occur, that is what will be used regardless of what it is.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:49, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I have reverted some of the edits for you. You're welcome. --Kiyoshiro 17:14, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I was under the impression it wasn't a blog, and that by citing them there was no copyright violation, as it is not stated anywhere on their page. I didn't think that maybe those images could be theirs, in which case I would've asked persmission, but the website hasn't been updated in nearly three years, and there is no contact information listed. I'll remove the remaining pictures, although I see Kiyoshiro has already taken the liberty of removing the majority of them for me.

Back to the translation, I do prefer Frank, as it is more localized. I assumed the timeline was entirely accurate, but did not account for it having been traslated. Anyway, the templates should be created that way, yes? Order of visitation in the story, with cities and villages first, followed by waypoints? Our other options are alphabetically (eww), or some other form of order based on importance. Let me know. Moviebaby 17:41, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I will follow your advice and work together with you regarding of the new articles I want to create, and we will star with Deo Pass

Deo Pass was a dungeon that served as a mountain path in Tales of the Abyss destroyed by the power of Luke fon Fabre's hyperresonance.

Geography
Deo Pass is located on the Rugnica continent, just northeast from Kaitzur Naval Port. It was built wide enough to accommodate carriages, but recently rock slides have made it nearly impassable.

En route for Akzeriuth
The party needs to cross the Deo Pass to get to Akzeriuth. When they arrived, Luke states that they shouldn't have wasted time in the desert because he is the ambassador and Ion wasn’t needed. That provokes fury among the rest of the group, especially Anise.

On the way through the Deo Pass, Legretta from the Six God-Generals attacked us. However it was seen as she came to talk to Tear into going with her by. She states that the world is mad because it’s completely ruled by the Score. Since Legretta couldn’t change the party’s view point regarding about the Score, she was forced to stop them by force. After the fighting finishes Legretta says to Tear to get away from that reject (Luke). Because of that Jade realized that the Oracle Knights have broken the ban on Fomicry and Ion's knowledge of it. After that Legretta quickly escapes leaving Jade Curtiss really angry about her statement. After discussing, the group decides to continue the towards Akzeriuth.

Note: for the geography info I used the description on the world map and for the history I mainly used the info on the synopsis. I published that article 3 days ago but Mayu Miyuki deleted it. Juan Ma 20:33, May 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you people stop trying to make new pages for the sake of having new pages? Moviebaby, stop encouraging them. You other two, instead of making new pages, contribute to existing ones by fleshing them out. The pages all three of you created in the past few days could be three times the length each, and this is with full detail involved in explaining -everything- that happens that is central to the plot. And if I ever have the time or interest to make the pages, I would scrap all of your content entirely and write it completely from scratch. I was forced to do precisely this many times before, though I don't want to remember how often, but it happens everytime Winxfan and similar users are involved. Juan Ma, do not group yourself with Winxfan by doing what he does.


 * As I said before, it is far easier for me to make a new page with my own effort, than it is to fix a page created with someone else's anti-effort AND enhance it with my own effort. Instead of three steps forward, it's five steps backwards and six steps forward. Double effort for the one who fixes the pages. So let the pages stay nonexistent in the first place, until such a time that it will be created by myself, with my own effort, on my own time! And that will be practically never precisely because of the time I must spend giving these explanations which are ignored every time. Fix the pages that need fixing, so they can move forward at a modest pace, instead of moving backwards dramatically with each anti-edit and forcing someone else to fix all of your errors instead of fixing the errors on other pages! I mean, look at how little info there is for people like Chelsea or Max or the entire Hearts cast. Then look at the effort you are diverting away from fixing them by creating more new pages.


 * As I say so often, I would rather have red links. THIS is why I do not want to make templates for the other games anytime soon. If I do so, that might be seen as a free pass by Winxfan and similar users to make more garbage pages. I'd sooner delete the Abyss template and stop the horrendous evil that is spreading, but it is part of our infrastructure. Remember that the point of the templates is NOT to show what pages need to be created. The point of the templates is to provide a means of page categorization to maintain sound infrastructure on this wiki, and to provide quick-access links to the pages which do already exist. Page categorization using templates instead of manual input is something none of you are really focused on because it is an aspect of the "big picture" that I must deal with.


 * Do not create more pages. Focus on the ones which need to be fleshed out with full detail. The pages you created in the past few days are now among them. Good job guys.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:26, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

When it comes to creating the pages, no one wants to read articles that explain every detail, going from "Blah Blah said this" to "Blah Blah said that". I omit such things when they write that way, and merely include the necessary points and plot twists. I cleaned up their writing and expanded their information. While I agree with you that red links are better than a small amount of obvious information, I don't believe these pages to be of that sort. Yes, they can be expanded more, but sentences stating every little fact is not going to happen. I don't see these pages as more work; I see them as progress to that final appeal. There are plenty other pages on this wiki which need editing and expanding, but these pages merely need expanding at the very least. For the time being, I feel as if it's a sufficient amount of information, clean and to the point. I am so confused as to how it's a step back, when there was nothing there to begin with, and you can't make the "red link is better than a small amount of obvious information" in this regard.

You said that these pages would have to be completely redone when you write them. When is that going to be? You monitor the recent changes on this wiki, but never add content yourself. I realize it's difficult having to explain the Manual of Style and other such things to users who don't follow the rules, but they are lacking good examples. I have never seen you create a page on here. If I did, I may know more of what you're trying to get across. This wiki is not expanding like it should be, and everyone is at fault. While I try to clean sloppy pages, I also try to add accurate content in the process. I think people are tired of red links. I know I am. Maybe if you could edit and expand existing pages more often, others would follow suit. I realize that those pages take priority, but the amount of pages missing is an embarassment as well. I would like to say the reason you don't create new pages is because you're busy focusing on existing ones, but you don't even do that. You gripe on user's pages, and they do not listen to you. They don't listen to you because you fail to follow your own priorities.

Moviebaby 00:52, May 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I could provide excuses for not working on these things on my own, but that's all they would be, mere excuses. Imagine anything you want as my reasons, since I'm not about to blog about it. The root of the matter is that I have no motivation anymore. And I feel that anything that warrants effort on my part will hinder that recovery of my motivation. So at this point I am nothing but a giant talking head with an equally giant headache. It's not something that I could deny.


 * But you don't see me creating new pages precisely because I do not want to have new pages created. But for cleaning up pages, if I can avoid it, I take that option freely. I spent too much time on this wiki that it cuts into my time for other things, and at this point I would rather do nothing on the wiki. But I still have responsibilities here, which involve edit-stalking everything. That's what I do. I'd probably say more but I have to leave for something, like now. (Mayu Miyuki)

Well, outside of my tutoring job, which I do Monday through Friday, I have a lot of free time in the summer because I'm not taking classes. I am prepared to commit to this wiki because I love the Tales series, and this wiki definately has potential. I also love writing and editing, which keeps me sharp at my job in real life, and is why it doesn't bother me when people submit their information to me before creating a page. If this wiki takes too much time away from you, then why are you still admin? Why haven't you considered giving up the position or assigning moderators? I'm really not sure how all that works on a wiki. I understand it's hard to abandon responsibilities, but if you are just not that into it anymore, why don't you trust others to help out? Moviebaby 04:15, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

I just don't get it.
The English Dubbed version of the OVA Tales of Vesperia: The First Strike is coming to DVD, there's an English Dub cast, so why can't we add that info to the sum of the Vesperia characters that were in it like Estelle, Raven, and Rita. We even have an article on Chasta Aiheap and we can't put in her english va. Was the source I got not good enough?

In case you're wondering, this was my source: Tales of Vesperia Cast Announcement

Is it not official enough? Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:39, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I can't get the page to load, but who told you that you couldn't add the information? Moviebaby 22:48, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Mayu did. She said it didn't come from an Official Source.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 03:07, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not entirely sure what she believes to be an "official source", but you will have to fight with her on that. Moviebaby 03:21, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Choral Castle
I kinda jumped the gun on this one. Here's the info on Choral Castle: Choral Castle is a castle located on the south-eastern side of the Rugnica continent in Tales of the Abyss.

Geography
Choral Castle is Kimlasca's territory, located on Rugnica south of Kaitzur and east of the Kaitzur Naval Port. It is an old castle.

History
Before the war began, this was the summer home of Duke Fabre. It had been abandoned after the war started and the Duke and his family never came back since.

Luke fon Fabre and his companions came here to rescue the Cheif Engineer, who was captured by Arietta the wild.

Once they got further inside they find a strange fontech machine. Jade Curtiss had his suspicions about the device. Suddenly, something startled Anise Tatlin causing her to jump onto Guy Cecil, who didn't notice until he saw her on his back, which triggered his gynophobia. Jade suggested it was more than just a normal reaction. Guy explained that he was missing a part of his memory: when his family was killed.

Once they got to the roof of the castle, Arietta ambushed Luke and his companions by having her friend, the flying monster Hraesvelgr, attack and abduct Luke and Ion. She got Luke and Anise instead. She ordered Hraesvelgr to release Anise but gave Luke to Dist the Reaper.

Luke was restrained on the fontech machine in the basement. Dist and Sync managed to open up all of his fonslots and got the information he needed. Guy came in to rescue Luke and he got a fondisc from Sync, whom he fought. During the struggle, Guy managed to remove his mask and took a good look at his face. He got distracted when the others came to Luke's aid, giving him the opportunity to escape after he put his mask back on. After the commotion, Luke and the others went back to the roof.

Once they got up there, he used Mieu's fire to ambush the Hraesvelgr, which made Arietta mad, so they had no choice but to fight her for the Chief.

After the battle, Jade was about to kill her when Van Grants intervined and took Arietta under custody after Luke and the others did not go to the ship like he ordered them too.

Should've come to you first. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:15, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you should have, but I must say your writing has become much better. There wasn't a whole lot that I had to fix, just required some expansion. However, please be sure to write in present-tense as opposed to past-tense, which is how you've been writing. An example of past-tense: "Luke and his companions came here to..." An example of present-tense: "Luke and his companions come here to..." Get it? And try to use more elaborate words in your writing, such and "journey" instead of "come". Nonethless, you are improving. All you needed were some good examples, something you never received from Mayu. Moviebaby 23:48, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. And sorry about that. Oh, almost forgot that a lot of stuff happened in Daath: Rescuing Natalia, Guy remembing how his family died, Meeting Anise again, Anise betraying the group, Arietta getting mad at Anise for killing Ion, Anise explaining her actions (I think I cried when I saw that part)

Not to mention Tear learning Judgment during a Eulogy dedicated to Ion.

And about the timeline, Since the two halves of Luke became one whole again wouldn't that make Luke 20 chronologically?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 03:06, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ages are a confusing topic when it comes to Abyss. I prefer to leave it alone, but I believe that's correct. Moviebaby 03:24, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

What do you think of my Graces template?
Any advice or tips can help. I don't know if there's some kind of order or pattern necessary, but here's my take. I'm sure there's something I might've missed.

(MabiEditor)

It looks great, good job. We are currently attempting to figure out a system for the location templates. I've never played Graces, but that is divided by country, correct? Not all games can be consistent with that method of division, but then again, not all games can be consistent with continent method of division either. In other words, we're just playing around with world templates right now until we can come to final conclusion. However, yours looks very organized. I see you separated cities/villages/waypoints and dungeons. Very good. Are these locations listed in order of visitation in the story? To me, that is the most ideal order system. Anyway, I will keep this world template information here on my talk page for whenever we decide to move the plan forward. Thank you for your hard work. Moviebaby 00:11, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Timeline.
Wow. So much info, so little time.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 03:00, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Featured Article
{| cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" style="background:#f5fffa; width:100%; border:1px solid #cef2e0;" |- | colspan="4" | Featured Article {| cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" style="width:100%; background:inherit;" |-  | style="width:3%;" | | style="width:36%;" | God-Generals The God-Generals (六神将) are the six highest-ranking members of the Oracle Knights in Tales of the Abyss, operating directly under the command of Commandant Van Grants.

Members }
 * Largo the Black Lion, the alias of Badaq Oakland, and also known as the "Lion of the Desert".
 * Asch the Bloody, the alias of the original Luke fon Fabre.
 * Legretta the Quick, the alias of Giselle Oslo, a former Oracle soldier who trained Tear Grants.
 * Dist the Reaper, the alias of Dr. Saphir Ortion Gneiss, a fugitive scientist from the Malkuth Empire.
 * Arietta the Wild, a former Fon Master Guardian and survivor from the destroyed Isle of Feres.
 * Sync the Tempest, one of the seven replicas of Fon Master Ion.

Xillia Spirits and Katsberg Ferry
What do we know about the Xillia version of the four elemental spirits?

Also Katsberg Ferry:

Katsberg Ferry is a ship used for transporting people and objects over the sea in Tales of the Abyss

To Chesedonia
Luke fon Fabre and his friends depart from the Kaitzur Naval Port after saving the Chief Engineer from Arietta.

He and Tear Grants discuss about fonons and a while later, he has a talk with her brother Van Grants.

Returning Home
After escaping from Sync and the Oracle Knights, Luke and the others go over what Astor's people deciphered from the fondisc Guy Cecil picked up. Luke and his companions are attacked by Oracle Knights while on the ferry and come face to face with Dist the Reaper, who Jade Curtiss knows all too well. After being mocked, Dist calls forth his Kaiser Dist R but is soundly defeated. Jade knows that Dist will return

Nice huh?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:24, May 29, 2012 (UTC)