User talk:Mayu Miyuki

A little busy... (copied from my user page)
And I apologize for my lack of contributions lately, I've been really busy with college and other things. I'll get back to work on my self-appointed project during the summer, during which I hope to have a lot of articles done. (If I'm not busy playing Mabinogi that is... xD ) I'll keep coming here to watch the articles that are always being targeted for vandalism, so I'm "here" even if I have nothing to contribute~

Mayu Miyuki 03:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Delete template created
Hey, saw your request for a deletion template. Will work on it soon. Also saw that you play Mabinogi. So do I (though not recently). Anyway, I really appreciated the work you've done on Aselia. Kudos!--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 11:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I made a bare-bones delete template. You can use it by typing  .--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 11:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your assistance with the templates, but I'm not sure how to implement them properly within all the pages. I would like something like an organizational template for the arte table lists I made (and posted today), but the usefulness would be limited since the column headers change with every table, even on the same page, how much more so in different games. Still, I appreciate the help, and I'll let you know if I can think of a way to do things. I am still new to MediaWiki editing though, so I consider this to be a useful learning experience, haha.
 * Mayu Miyuki 04:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Massive info dump woot!
Well I've been gone for quite a while, so it's about time for me to get some things done. I spent the last week compiling the data (and sometimes translating manually) to get the arte lists, most importantly for Tales of the Tempest and Tales of Innocence, both of which have absolutely no English resources that display skill lists yet. I'm gonna end up doing all of the games, even modifying the arte lists that already exist (for Symphonia and Abyss only, it seems).

After a bit of experimentation using the preview option while I composed the pages, I have established a format system for my arte tables (the colours and column sizes). They can be changed at any time, but I happen to like a little bit of colour better than gray header bars from the existing tables. Also, I have opted to add the Japanese text to all arte names and headings within the arte lists. I do not intend to do the same with the games that already have official localizations - these are here specifically for the games that have not been released in North America, for anyone who uses the wiki to reference what they see within their imported/emulated game.

There are a lot of blanks in some areas (ie. max hit counts), but these can be obtained only through experimentation since I found all the data from online resources. I am not capable of testing every skill of every game, so I leave it up to future contributors/editors to fill in the missing information. I used "?" to show all unknown info, so it would draw the attention of anyone who might be interested in filling them in.

There are also a few potential errors in the data I have posted. For instance, I do not know how to romanize/translate Tilkis's ピショップスリング and プロミネントゥレイス correctly. What I have shown on the articles is the result of my best guesses, but they don't fit the katakana exactly. I don't know what else they could be, at least for certain. Other potential errors can be found in all of the arte lists for the Destiny 2 characters. The attack/magic/skill/chain and element 1/2/3/4 requirements might be shuffled into incorrect columns, since I see them listed differently on every source I looked through. I decided to stick with what was shown on KusanagiLord02's guide on GameFAQs, but I really do think there are errors in some places. For instance, I don't think Harold's Delta Ray would require LV10 Fire and LV6 Dark+Light+Water, when it is a light element spell. There are many more situations like this, but I'll leave it up to someone more diligent to pick through everything and provide the correct data. I do not have access to the game in any form, so I cannot verify anything for myself.

Finally, I have adopted the terms that Namco uses to describe skills and skill heirarchy ("artes" instead of skills, "Mystic Artes" instead of Hi Ougi), since it is now clearly official. Namco has used the same terms in every game since Abyss, and even in the Vesperia demo, so there is no reason to avoid using these terms now, as I have previously. I will be converting my existing articles (mostly by changing their category placements) when I have the time to do so.

But for now at least, I will be working on the arte lists for all of the games. It has bothered me for quite a while not to have any English resources available for some of the games, so at least this way I can create them for myself with public view, and then continue my real project afterwards. I might branch off into the armour/weapon/etc. lists as well, since we need these articles to be created. In any case, I'll make more active contributions again soon, and I hope to see more people do the same!

Mayu Miyuki 04:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I also managed to copy a template from Wookiepedia (Scroll box), so I could use it to help clean up my user page. (Why Wookiepedia? Because I was randomly browsing there one day and I saw the scroll box, and I knew I should use the same thing for the long lists I have on my user page.) I left it completely unaltered here, documentation and all. However, I did not request permission to use this template, though they use the same GDFL license that our wiki uses. If I was wrong to do this, please delete the template.

Mayu Miyuki 05:09, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

A series of several stub-length "filler" pages for individual artes
I will be going through the artes that do not currently have articles written for them (there are a lot of them @_@) and adding "filler" pages that provide only minimal information about the skill. These will have the "stub" tag added to them, so all other contributors are free to edit them and add any info that might be necessary.

All existing and completed articles might have some changes in layout sometime in the future (whenever I figure out how to make them more organized; suggestions are welcome), but I don't want to deal with creating more detailed articles for similar artes yet. I will go through the existing pages to change category listings today, then I won't touch them for quite some time, while I work on the new filler pages for other artes.

The new articles are meant to be quick listings of the current official arte name localization, the Japanese equivalent, and previous localized names if applicable. No detail beyond this will be provided at this time, though others are welcome to add more. This is meant to be a temporary solution to make all links to these article names valid, so other pages that link to them will not be shown with red-coloured links. I also have a plan to bring more activity to this wiki, which might be put in place this weekend, and these filler pages will be here to prevent needless confusion. Hopefully.

In any case, the page count on this wiki will jump dramatically during the next few days. We will exceed 400, possibly 500 articles very quickly, but the grand majority of these will be stubs only.

Mayu Miyuki 18:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow... we went from 380-ish articles to 544. And all of those are stubs with hardly any info, since most of those skills belonged to one character within the entire series. But I have completed all of the currently translated base artes that exist (not including those in RadiMai). Now all that remains are.... lots of master and arcane artes, practically all of the spells that have ever existed, and all of the non-localized artes from games like Destiny 2 and Rebirth. And then redirect pages for everything. I'm lucky I have the interest to do this now, rather than spend another few months of inactivity, so yah!

Now to sleep and continue tomorrow? (And don't worry, these pages won't be stubs forever. I plan to go through all of them and flesh them out with the TP/hits/description data that I added to the existing articles before. The question of course... is when that will be completed. Woot?)

Mayu Miyuki 04:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

...and now we're at 667 articles, and I haven't touched the spells yet. The page count on this wiki definitely will be double what it was at the beginning of this week by tomorrow, and most of these new pages are barely significant. I would have preferred to space things out more, but I realize now that this is the greatest burst of activity I've ever put into the wiki, and I should continue while I have the drive to do so. Because if I were doing things the way I was before (completing each page with most -not all- possible details before publishing them), then I likely would never finish everything by myself.

At least this way, it gives others a chance to add the necessary data without having to research the translated and original names. Then again this is the easy part, haha. ^^;;

Mayu Miyuki 04:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yup. Now we're at 741 articles, and I have created filler articles for every localized arte in the series, excluding those in RadiMai, and also excluding all spells. I'll look over those tomorrow, and then add pages for the skills from Destiny 2 and Rebirth and Destiny Remake/DC. I also need someone to provide me with the skill naming data from the Absolute Zero patch for Phantasia PSX, but that's something I'll worry about at another time. Though as it stands now, the arte lists that I added earlier this week for Tempest/Innocence/Destiny 2 are a little more presentable now, but I must deal with all of the spells and the untranslated skills.

Oh, and if anyone is wondering why I'm keeping updates on this, I'm just trying to bump this to the top of the "recent changes" page, so anyone who hasn't been here this week to see that our page count has doubled suddenly, they can be assured that all of this is not spam or a hostile takeover attempt. Sorry for the troubles.

Mayu Miyuki 01:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Well my updates for today took much longer than I thought, but everything that was done overall this past week has gone much faster than I thought was possible. We are at 834 articles now (stated for archival/recording purposes). I have completed all the artes from RadiMai (I didn't expect there to be so many new artes in that game...), so now I can say that every arte (not spell) that has been localized throughout the series now has separate stub-length articles.

With that said, I'm gonna ignore spells for a much longer time. After all, most of them remain unchanged between Japanese and English so I can afford to leave them alone. The last remaining things to complete now are pages for the untranslated artes from the games that were never localized. But since I have reached this milestone of completing all the localized skills, I think I'll go back to making arte lists for individual characters, my plan as detailed in the previous section of this talk page.

Anyway my head hurts now. Sleeeeeepppp~ (And bumping this page to the top again, just in case.)

Mayu Miyuki 05:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Another large info dump~ (and some second-guessing about my initial project here)
I added more arte lists for Tales of Eternia, Tales of Legendia, and Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World today, detailing all characters' attacks as much as possible within a quick-reference table of sorts. I also modified the overall table formatting (switching and adding column headings, displaying current localized names for applicable artes, etc.), and these changes have been applied to existing articles.

I decided to change the article titles of each existing article to allow listings by game, since many characters appear in multiple games with completely different skillsets. (The prime example would be Leon Magnus, who has appeared with three very different skillsets among ALL of the different versions of Tales of Destiny alone, and more skillset changes in three (soon to be four) of the Tales of the World games. Of course, this is ignoring the Judas situation, having appeared in ND3 alongside Leon as well! If anything, this is just proof that Namco likes to whore out Leon as much as possible... which is beside the point as well, lol.)

Well anyway, I have added so many articles lately, and I'm starting to wonder if it was a mistake to go through all of the localized artes and create individual stub articles for them. It has expanded the page count so quickly that it looks like something bad might have happened. And not only that... I think that the idea of individual articles for every arte in the series is becoming too large for me to want to handle. Since if I were to go ahead with my original plan, I would have 2000-3000 articles to make.

If I could delete all those stub articles I created, I probably would. It was quite a task to upload all of those pages, and that was only 450 or so articles in total. Deleting them will take just as long, but I don't want to leave near-empty stub pages here, creating the extreme majority of articles on this wiki. I would like to see what others think on this issue, if they should be left for others to flesh out in the future, or if our wiki should go back to its original page count so more focus can be put into articles that actually need work to be done with them.

Mayu Miyuki 01:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey! I'm Lanate and did a few cursory edits here and there a long time ago, like 2006.  In response to your problem, have you considered making it a gigantic list?  You could start with the most recent English localization of the technique, list them alphabetically, and make redirects of its other names.  The list would be much easier to manage, and you could split techniques which have enough appearances to merit their own pages (making them part of the list with a  template link), while leaving tiny articles as part of it.  It was a format that the Digimon wikia (the wikia I most edit) had earlier before the decision was made to split most of it.  But individual techniques, especially one-shot ones, might not have the same problem as our massive amount of pictures and template boxes had.


 * It may be hard, but, er, I just discovered this place again, and I'll be willing to help. Lanate 23:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Game Templates
Do you think it would help navigation if templates were created for each game, which contained links to characters, locations, skill lists, etc.? Or are they already created and just not in use? Lanate 00:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It would help a lot if we had links to all the arte/title/item lists on the pages for every game, but personally I want to focus on making the arte lists before I go through with navigation links. I may work on this in the future, but not immediately. I believe the page for Tales of Eternia has a navigation table, but it will have to be modified or redirected to fit the page-naming format that I have established. And in any case, most of the relevant pages do not exist yet - I have been focusing on arte lists exclusively so far, and not all of the games are complete.


 * And I appreciate your offer of help on my previous project. However I am putting all of that on hold, and I am waiting for Imaginationac's thoughts on deleting all those pages I made so I can create a full list for everything as you suggested. It does not help our wiki if more than 75% of our pages are stubs or redirects to stubs at this point.


 * Mayu Miyuki 18:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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Just a question from a new user here. Are you a Admin or a Mod ?--Zolo 01:56, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Neither. I am a normal user and contributor here on this wiki. I may be pursuing quite a few ambitious projects here, but I do not have powers or capabilities beyond what any other registered user has. Also, I try to take any chance I can to promote this place so we can get more help here, since this wiki is rather underdeveloped and lightly managed, but I always speak on behalf of the wiki itself, not its owners.


 * Needless to say, I always keep a watch for vandalism or erroneous information, so I'm here most days even when I have nothing to contribute. (I'm one of the more active people here... ;o ) If you have any questions or requests, feel free to ask me, but if it's something that would require administrative consideration, then you would need to talk to Imaginationac, who owns this wiki.


 * Mayu Miyuki 22:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Well looking at your edits you should be a Mod for this site at FF wiki you would've been one for 1723 edits. Are there any active Administrators I'd like to give them a talking too.--Zolo 01:34, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Derris Kharlan
I spreaded them into different pages since the Derris Kharlan of ToS and ToP are a little different and I was planning to add more to them later on I just need to rebuy ToP, but I suppose the ToP's and ToP2's Derris Kharlan can go together.

And thank you I been trying to do my best here and trying to make this wiki big as the Final Fantasy wiki. I think the wiki's news section should into its own page that's why we look more organized what do you think? --Zolo 02:52, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

^^;
Well, your artes lists are better. My policy for huge things like that is the equivalent of an info dump so that at least the info's there, and then it can be prettified later. I indeed was having trouble figuring out how to add the FSCs, so I added them all down there.

The only reason why I included the Activation Method for Symphonia was because the FAQ I mainly based the list off of did as well.

I have a question about the Unison Attacks lists I made. If a small monitor running bigger text is used, it loses the side by side attack synchronization I used, due to horizontal compression. What's a good solution for that? I tried brute-forcing the situation by listing all combinations vertically (e.g. Techs A / B with Techs C / D would have AC AD BC BD all vertically), but it expanded the list by an insane amount. I left it as is for now, but the problem should be addressed. Lanate (talk) 20:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I implemented some of what you talked about on the ToS - Lloyd Irving: Artes article, removing the activation column because I agree on it being extraneous. If there's more, please tell me, so that I can change it on the rest when we've figured out exactly how it should look. Lanate (talk) 23:32, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you've got a better handle on those than I do. You should go do the Abyss pages; I'm going to continue tackling Phantasia next.


 * And I really need to get an XBOX 360. My brother took it with him to college (appropriate, I guess, since he bought it) and my roommate's mother wouldn't let him bring his, so I'm woefully unprepared in the Vesperia department.


 * Oh, and would the parenthesis with the current name mean that Farah's Shikou Bakusaijin would have Ground Breaker for its Tales of Symphonia appearance, and Garr's Hakuu would have Hail from the same game? Lanate (talk) 01:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Lightning Tiger Blade
Noticing you deleted my edit on the page that combo does equal Lighting Tiger Blade. I know this for the simple fact is, becuase I did that unison attack with my brother while having Super Lightning Blade and Twin Tiger Blade on Sunday night--Zolo 01:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC).


 * Did you also have Indignation being used by any chance? Because Unison Attacks activations are based off of a combination of two characters' skill lines, and the Tiger Blade techniques and the Lightning Blade techniques make Thunder Tiger Blade.  Can you try that again, this time without Genis as part of the party?  Lanate (talk) 05:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay it's Double Tiger Blade+Super Lightning Blade=Lightning Tiger Blade I checked over ten times when facing Yggdrasil in the Tower of Salvation.

To prove it my Unison programs:
 * Lloyd-Double Tiger Blade
 * Kratos-Super Lightning Blade
 * Genis-Prism Sword
 * Raine-Holy Lance
 * Kratos and Lloyd-Lightning Tiger Blade as the result.

Hm may I ask what country you live in? It may depend on your version of the game.--Zolo 01:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The US. That's really strange though; in all the places I've checked, Twin Tiger Blade+Super Lightning Blade=Thunder Tiger Blade.  It doesn't fit in with the pattern. Lanate (talk) 02:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Then after doing the battle over and over a again on my last try(15 minutes ago) the first bar it did L Tiger Blade and one my second bar on Yggdrasil all of the sudden T Tiger Blade? Is my glitching becuase this has happened before with Cross Thrust which I did with Hurrcane Thrust and Super Sonic Thrust? I'll change it back because I know glitches like this are not for a wiki. --Zolo 02:20, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Secret Blast Caliburs
There are another three BC's available to all the characters. Should I add them in to all of artes pages? Lanate (talk) 14:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Right, I forgot about those at some point. I kind of wanted to list them in a separate page describing the Blast Calibur system, since everyone has the ability to use them. I guess it doesn't hurt to put them on every char's page for now anyway, so go for it.


 * Mayu Miyuki 23:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Tales of Eternia Online
...wow, I just realized that there's very little information for it, especially after the wiki shut down. Do you know how we're going to manage to create decent information on it, or is it just going to let it languish?

I know it's not something I should be considering, especially 'cause there's so much other work to do, but I'm sad to see the wiki has been shut down for a year now, with the large amount of information it had. I kept kana-ed versions of the skills, so it might be possible to at least recreate that, but... It's depressing, isn't it, that all that information is lost? Do you know of any backups? Lanate (talk) 06:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I do not know of any other sources or backups for all of that info. The best thing we can do is to ask for more people on the official Namco Tales forums or other popular Tales communities for help, since there may be some people who kept various things about the game. If all of the important data is lost completely, then at least we would have whatever people remember about it, and that's better than nothing. We can deal with that when the time comes though.


 * Mayu Miyuki 19:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

EX-Skills
As I don't know my Rebirth, I started adding the EX-Skills for Symphonia (as well as started page for the proto-titles which appears in Tales of Phantasia SFC). Right now, I simply copied the colors for the artes tables. I was wondering if the three types of tables (artes, enchants/passive skills, and titles) should have different colors to differentiate the types or if they should have the same color. And if so&mdash;could you help me choose the colors, as I've very inept when it comes to color combinations. Lanate (talk) 05:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't say it matters so much to me, since I never really considered changing colors in the first place. I think I would prefer keeping the same colors universally, but I have no real objections to changing the colors for other table categories. I'm afraid I cannot choose the color schemes for you though; I can say the same thing about myself in terms of artistic or aesthetic capability. =P


 * Mayu Miyuki 06:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm finally done with the EX-Skills! Once a couple of pages were done, it became a lot easier due to repetition.  :D  I'm really happy now!  I wonder what I should tackle next: the Abyss AD Skills or the Vesperia Skills. Lanate (talk) 04:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry ;__;
I'm sorry if I wasn't supposed to reply here... I used some time trying to find out how to reply ^^"

So, I just wanted to say that I'm sorry for all those mistakes I've done, with the links to the artes and so on. I will try not to do it again, and I hope you will forgive me if I do repeat it. I'm thankful that you're not too mad at me, and I will stop editing the links and the page locations. I just hope it's all right for you that I continue to edit some pages I think I can make better, and continue to create missing pages.

But while I'm at it, I just have to ask: in the Rules, it's written, "Do not upload files without using them. After a significant period of disuse, unused files will be deleted." Does that mean that mean that files like Exsphere or Meltokio will be automatically deleted if nobody visits it for a long time, or if the file just doesn't have any or much contents? I'm sorry for burdening you with all this.

This is Penamesolen, by the way ^^"


 * That rule only applies to things like pictures, videos, and other media files that are uploaded to this wiki but left unused or unlinked within any pages. The actual text articles will always stay regardless of if people visit them or not, so don't worry about it. Only pages that involve spam or vandalism will be deleted.


 * By the way, you can use " ~ " to automatically sign your comments. And thank you for all of your contributions, we appreciate your help!


 * Mayu Miyuki 22:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

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--Raven. 22:43, 5 November 2008 (UTC)Hi i was wondering if you know how i can become an admin, i am a huge fan of the series with a large amount of knowledge


 * We aren't looking for new administrators on this wiki right now, but if you are really interested, then just help out normally by providing contributions using your "large amount of knowledge". If an existing admin notices you and promotes you, then that's great. But you do need to prove yourself by actually helping in a significant way before you can be considered for an administrator position. You can't just ask to become one, especially if you're newly registered.


 * I'm not an admin either, and I've made literally thousands of edits on this wiki already... but you don't see me asking for a promotion like that. =P


 * Mayu Miyuki 22:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)