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Clean Up Template
What is atually the difference between this template and the stub-template? Sure, the stub-template is when there's only expanding needed, and Clean Up-template is when there's grammar+++ AND expanding, but Clean Up is still mostly meant for fixing the grammar+++. So when I come to a situation where it is both little information with bad grammar, which am I supposed to do? Or should we just take away the "even expanding" on the Clean Up and have that part for Stub?

Penamesolen 14:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Both templates are the same thing, imo. I think it was Zolo who made the template when he started all of those new template styles, but the  template represents basically the same thing. Might as well merge them - I say we should stick with the "stub" tag as the main one since it's already in place on hundreds of pages on this wiki, and redirect the "clean up" tag to the "stub" one. The "stub" tag is already more complete anyway since it actually categorizes articles into a "stub" category, while the "clean up" one doesn't do anything to organize things.


 * I think the same case applies to and  tags. Both templates do the same thing too, and again the latter was created when the former could have been edited directly. It would have saved more resources and time. I prefer keeping the "wikipedia" tag and redirecting "de-wikify" to it. Besides, the wording of the "de-wikify" tag bothers me - nothing was "stolen", the information from Wikipedia was copied per the GNU Free Use Documentation guidelines, so all text posted on Wikipedia is automatically allowed to be copied into other sites or wiki groups provided they use a similar copyright licensing, like our GDFL (which is really the same thing). The "wikipedia" tag specifies exactly this, while the "de-wikify" tag makes it sound like we're doing something bad.


 * And, to be honest, it should not even matter if we DO copy from Wikipedia because of this - those pages that have been copied are only placeholder articles, and if there is anything to add, then someone else will do it if they know enough about it. The "wikipedia" tag states that it was copied in the first place, and that it should be used as a base point for further expansion. If you saw how the original Tales of Destiny article was before I imported the Wikipedia version, you would realize that our wiki really is worth crap in most respects since no one helps us make it better, and even Wikipedia is a better and more reliable (and cited!) resource than we are. (Don't worry, I'm not directing any irritation at you specifically.... maybe other persons.)


 * Then again, I honestly don't care when it comes to copyright and legality concerns since I am not in a position where it would be considered my fault. I'm just guiding others into realizing that their actions are their own, and if they DO copy text verbatim from actual sites that do not have a free use license without a footnote or references cited, then they should be aware that doing so may cause problems for this wiki in general. But it is their choice if they really want to. It's my choice to have a fan-image of a certain famous bookworm on my user page, and I'm not going to remove it~


 * Mayu Miyuki 19:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Now I must sound stupid, but… what does “imo” mean? Another way to say “emo”? *has English as third language*

Okay. Then, I have some questions just for “fun”: Should the Stub have Lloyd or Raine? Should the Wikipedia have Kratos or Luke (the information about, like, the licensing, will be there regardless)?

When it comes to helping with information, I do agree that it is hard, especially when it comes to Japan-only games, which limits the use of us who can’t Japanese. And when one has studies or work to tend to, it’s a little hard to work on these articles. That’s also another reason I can’t wait for summer break; then I have so little to do that I can work more on articles or whatever.

Still feels that however much I write about locations, it never stops coming with more to add TT.TT

I think the image on your profile is cool. So, is it okay to upload non-Tales of related images in Aselia? Just to ask.

Penamesolen 06:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. "imo" = in my opinion.


 * As for the characters to be used... you don't need my opinion on that. Try to make your own choices. All I want to say is that I would rather have the sprites from Tales of Hearts instead of these outdated and misproportionate ND3 sprites, but no one has bothered to rip and upload their ToH sprites yet. =P


 * Also, don't worry on how much you can work on this wiki. I know I don't contribute as much as I used to, in fact I'm much more lazy about actually doing anything here than anyone else, even if I do have thousands of edits under my name... even if a full thousand of those are stubs. I still have several things I should be working on here, but I have other obligations on other sites too. And then there's school...


 * And about non-Tales images, it doesn't matter to me as long as they aren't used on the articles here.


 * Mayu Miyuki 09:55, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Stub Template
It' just spontaneous thought I got right now, so it might sound strange and awkward, but what about adding an extra alternative sentence for this template? You know, like how you can choose between " ", "  " etc. to tell what exacly needs to be done. I know that the page already tells what needs to be expanded in general, but in the case of the Tales of VS. arte lists (and several other lists), the things that makes them stubs are the missing requirements or hits. That's the only thing they need in order to get rid of the stub-template. So there could be an extra paragraph or sentence saying this, just so that people who might have this information gets to know this.

So, if it's a bad idea, please tell so so that I can get it out of my head. Thanks.

Penamesolen 20:57, November 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure exactly what you want to add to the template. But for things like the list pages, if they are missing only hit counts or minor things like that, then they shouldn't have the stub template at all. The template should be used for the pages that need to be expanded with more detail, or in the case of the list pages, if they are missing whole entries for the actual attacks or titles because someone decides to make incomplete pages based on what they see in the game without getting everything.


 * I'm looking at the stub list now, and most (or all?) of those VS pages have been cleaned up by Lanate by now. The stub tag should be removed from those pages now. I think those Innocence weapon pages might be complete (too lazy to check), so they might not need the stub thing either, but the pages will need to be renovated anyway to add sortable columns and rewrite the wiki script (like much of the rest of the wiki, so don't worry about it). Hisui's Soma Build page is by far incomplete, so yes it does require the stub... and so does Shing's own Soma Build page (which is a disaster that I obviously forgot about).


 * Everything else should be content-type pages, I think. I'm still not clear on what exactly you want to add to the template, but it really only applies to those pages and not the lists.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:57, November 11, 2009 (UTC)