User talk:Penamesolen

Concerning arte name links and related formatting
(I'm not exactly used to greeting people, but the last person I commented to made a big deal out of it, so I'll leave it at that with the "welcome" template. =P )

I notice that you edited Richter's artes list page so most of his attacks (the ones without known localized names) have had their links removed. While this would make sense normally since Richter uses attacks that are exclusive to himself (and therefore all of them have no articles written yet), I would prefer to maintain the links for the sake of consistency with other similar pages.

I also noticed that Emil's artes page was edited in the same way yesterday, so I should use that as an example of what I have in mind. Right now, the listed artes on his page show a mix of Japanese and English versions. I wish to have only the confirmed localized names displayed, and all others displayed as their Japanese romanizations if they are not confirmed, everything with links to their associated articles (even though quite a handful of them don't exist yet). With all honesty, this is not what I intended at the beginning, since another editor added these confirmed names as the links - instead, I had planned to have even the confirmed names listed below all other arte name translation info, like I did with Vesperia's data before the localized release, since the articles are tagged to emphasize that this game has not been released in English yet, so all data should follow the Japanese release and linked accordingly.

Either way, it's better to keep the links, since I make it a point to provide redirects for the Japanese arte names so the correct English pages are referenced. If we remove the links, this kind of referencing is lost, and in games that have not received any translations whatsoever such as Tales of Innocence, their associated artes lists would not have a way to provide details like comparisons to other games, ie. Spada's Senkuureppa, which does have an article for the attack. Removing the link removes the article from view, and changing the name to "Light Spear" makes no sense since Innocence will never be localized (though there is a fan-made English patch in progress; the Innocence artes lists will make note of the names that are used once the patch is released).

Whatever the case, the links should be kept. Although I prefer to maintain Japanese arte names only until the English localization is released, I don't really have a problem with replacing some of them with the current confirmed names, as long as everything remains linked. After all, the localization has already shown to have some discrepancies with past current localized names - "Focus" is apparently changed to "Fiend Fusion", which makes no sense no matter how I look at it but whatever.

Sorry for the rambling, and welcome to the Tales Wiki.

Mayu Miyuki 20:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Redirect links
You do not need to go through every article to edit the links to point them to the English-named articles. That is what redirect pages are for. It is easier to keep all attack names consistent with their source, maintaining Japanese names for the games that are not released in English, or keeping the localized names for any given game even though there are more recent localized terms. This is important, since if, for instance, "Sonic Spear" is to be renamed in some future localized game, and since Ricardo's "Shunjinsou" has been relinked to point to "Sonic Spear", the release of a new localized name for this attack would require you to go through this page and every other page for each character that uses this attack (Jade and Eugene), and relink them to the new name. This is more effort than it's worth, though it can be done just as easily by changing the article for "Sonic Spear" into a redirect page itself, pointing to the new article. But where is the consistency in that? Why use redirect pages if you are going out of your way to avoid them?

There are many more pages that you have not edited, that you would need to fix if you wish to maintain consistency with what you are trying to do. Whenever you get around to editing ToE - Farah Oersted: Artes, you would have to go through every attack name that has a new localized name and point every link to their current names, and when newer names are made, you would have to re-edit these pages again. When Tales of Symphonia was released (supposing this page, or even this wiki, existed back then), "Triple Blossom" would have had to be relinked manually to "Triple Kick". When Tales of Vesperia was released, we got "Cerberus Strike", and "Triple Blossom" would have required another relink to the new name. We would have to edit the pages anyway since I chose to display all the current localized names in parentheses below the Japanese romanizations for every attack, so your edits can be done at the same time during future edits, but it's not necessary to do this if redirect pages can achieve the same effect with less effort.

So I will insist that it is easier to leave everything alone and use redirect pages instead. If a redirect page does not currently exist for a given Japanese or former English attack name, please create one. Honestly, I have no problem with leaving the changes you made, but you might want to consider changing them back to their original format. If you really want to keep your changes, go ahead as long as you are willing to maintain consistency with all other similar pages. Even for past localized arte names. Have fun, and make sure you stay active long-term to make it happen, too... =P

As for the spell "Tempest" in TotT - Arria Ekberg: Artes, please keep it linked as Tempest. The page "Tempest" is a redirect to "Tempest Strike", the melee swordsman's aerial vertical spin attack. This was a decision of mine, which I never explained elsewhere, since people are so familiar with the name "Tempest" referring to this attack, that it should be used to point to the current name used in RadiMai (<-- I want to make this one a redirect link too, believe me... but only Japanese speakers use this shortened name). The article for the unrelated spell "Tempest" is differentiated by the "(spell)" appended to the page name. I know the page doesn't exist yet, but the link should be kept as a placeholder, much like my previous concern about you removing the placeholder Japanese arte name links from my previous comment.

Also, I apologize for adding my previous comment to your user page instead of your talk page. I am moving those comments to the correct page now, so please excuse this mistake.

Mayu Miyuki 20:10, 23 October 2008 (UTC)