User talk:Mayu Miyuki


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Edits
Thank you for adjusting my edits and letting me know why or why not they were necessary. A lot of times I will edit a page merely for grammar/punctuation/wording and nothing else (like with some of the pages you adjusted - I changed no information). Thanks again for your hard work. Moviebaby 18:37, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Template, please?
I thought I'd bring it upon myself to edit the Tales of Legendia Recipe page as well, but I don't know anything about making templates or bar graphs to put all the information in. I tried taking the ToV template and editing it to fit the ToL recipes, but I failed pretty miserably. So I'm requesting that you can send me a template to use for ToL recipes. It's important to note that the bread in the game doesn't have to be made by any characters specifically. You just bake the bread out of battle.

Update on the latest Tales stuffs
As stated by our affiliates on Abyssal Chronicles and elsewhere, demos have been released for both Innocence Rotten and for that silly Tales Musou game. The final release of Innocence R is also being released today as well, meaning this demo is just for people who are unsure about actually buying the game. But it is the same demo from TGS last year, so there is no extra effort that truly needs to be put into recording that data since we already have most pages completed for this version of the game. What we do need are completed pages for everything that exists in the final release of this same game. Remember that since this is a radically different version of the game, it deserves its own set of pages, so nothing should be added to the existing pages for the original DS version of Innocence.

As for the Musou game, again, we should have a set of pages for anything that is relevant to what exists in the demo, while a separate set will be created upon final release. The info for this demo and the final Innocence R game will be posted soon enough on the usual venues, and I will try to get started on them on Sunday if I have time and access to the net.

And apparently, there is a message included within Innocence R itself which states that another "reimagination" of a different Tales game is already underway. One of the producers within Namdai states that Innocence R will not be the only game on the Vita, so this is probably the next thing that Namdai is about to throw up for the sake of continuing the neverending Tales Cycle. Speculation abounds, so I suggest you see the official Namco Tales Forums to read and join that discussion if you care.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:36, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

About the News
Should we edit the news at the Main Page??

--OfficialTalesOf61 13:07, February 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, because this wiki is not a blog. I should just convert the news section on the main page to an RSS feed of Abby's website at Abyssal Chronicles because the news section is just a waste of space, as it always was since way back when it was started. Besides, my interest in keeping the news section updated at all died when Wikia Central forced its "Wikia New Look" garbage skin on us while removing our option of disabling it, since our content does not display as intended on the new skin, and I will not cater to something that I do not support in the first place. If the news section suffers because of it, blame Wikia Central, because they deserve it - even the main page was designed for the Monaco skin which I never really supported either, and the only skin we do support is Monobook, though the only way to see this wiki the way it should be seen is to edit your own user preferences manually to use Monobook instead of this "Wikia New Look" nonsense.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:16, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for not deleting Tales of Gekijou, when the game Tales of the Heroes: Twin Brave is released, maybe I can get information about the page.

Also thanks for the tip about creating a page! I'll keep in touch.

--OfficialTalesOf61 03:23, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

About my recent edits
I apologize for my ignorantly made edits. My only intention was to provide American viewers of the Wiki who are not familiar with the metric system a conversion of the characters' heights and weights that they could easily understand. I was not aware of the Tales Channel and TalesRPG websites' existences, nor that official conversions, whether or not incorrect, were the ones that had to be used.

In regards to the notes made, like Innes's weight being her claim and Repede's height including his tail, that information was obtained directly from the Japanese Wikipedia pages for their games. You can check them yourself for proof. I understand not including Sophie's age, but Innes's weight is a claim, not her real weight, and Repede's height does include his tail. I would think that important to include.

Nevertheless, I again apologize for the edits. I did read the "Manual of Style" page before making these edits, but it mentioned nothing about how the height/weight issue should be handled, so if I may suggest adding a little section so that no one else is confused in the future, it would be appreciated.

Regards, Arfaige 21:26, February 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know it wasn't on the MoS, and I'll add that in when I get around to updating that page more. I looked at the official Japanese websites for that same information, and they do have the same notes. But I must warn you that you should not take information from any Wikipedia page, Japanese or not, because they can be altered even in the most minor of ways which cannot easily be fixed without a thorough examination of the changes. The official sites exist for us to gather information from, and data taken from these original sources is less likely to be altered by change of hands, the same reason that third-party resources are not favorable in an academic setting if first-party sources exist. In other words, I don't care if Wikipedia JP has this info or not, but since the official websites do have this info, I will find a way to insert those comments by avoiding parentheses.


 * And it seems like the Tales Channel domain has been suspended already, likely due to the merger of Tales Studio into Bandai Namco Games proper. The official websites are now accessible through this page, which is hardly as intuitive as Teichan had been, but hey, it's Namdai JP. All of my hatred. At least the url addresses of each individual game's website remains unchanged so the links on our pages don't have to be modified.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:03, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, this link doesn't work? Lanate (talk) 03:29, February 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Huh, okay nevermind. I was going by how it no longer shows up on Google search results, and clearly that English "Tales Channel" shown in the results is just a fansite. But yeah, NTS is no longer an independent company now that it has been integrated into Namdai JP, so I wouldn't doubt that many changes are bound to occur as the mother company solidifies its throttle-grip on what remains of NTS. Blahblahblah Tales Cycle etc.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 06:51, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Welcome
Oh, wow, sorry to leave such a late reply. You're welcome, I'll keep trying to add more info to Aselia! Thank you for the welcome. --Zeno101200 23:06, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Some questions
The other day, I created the page for the ToS:DotNW Grade Shop. I was waiting on you to edit it again to add anything or fix any errors, but since Arfaige's numerous edits, I wouldn't be surprised if my edit got knocked down the page. IF it's not too much trouble, I think you should take a look at the page I edited and add anything that suits your fancy.

And about a month or two ago, I left a message asking if you could help me create a template for the Bread Recipes in Tales of Legendia. Since you only need to know the recipe name, ingredients, and location, I tried to copy ToV's Recipe template and edit it to fit my needs, but I do not know how. I would appreciate it if you could help me make a template that would fit ToL's recipe system.

Thank you for your time.

PS: When exactly do you think the TotW:RM Monster Book will be edited again? Are we going with Lanate's system, and are Japanese names gonna be added eventually?


 * Things will happen when they happen. You have to realize that some of us are rather busy with other things that have nothing to do with this wiki, and priorities will always come first. I already looked at that page you created and don't really care enough to fix everything I see fit, since everything is more or less okay the way it is. Although I still insist that copied descriptions from the game are not as good as text written with consistency with the rest of our content on similar pages. The Legendia recipes outline (not template, templates are a different concept in wiki-speak) will be made when I feel like doing it, since again I don't really care to worry about it at the moment. The RadiMai monster book stuffs is up to whoever wants to edit it, probably not me since the primary flaws have already been removed, and the JP names will be added whenever someone gets around to doing it.


 * Basically, don't be pushy about things being done. If you think you can do something, go ahead and do it as long as it doesn't end up as a stub or filler page. Any fixes will be made as others see fit, and I focus on all of the vital things and will edit them as soon as I see them. Beyond that, I tend to let others pick up after what I leave behind while I focus on my own things. After all, we need to get the Innocence R(otten) arte pages up rather soon, and the second demo for Tales Musou has been released just yesterday. We're rather behind on what we need to do, but I blame Namdai JP for everything based on the concept I refer to as the Tales Cycle. You can search for that phrase on official forums for more info about it and why it is such a bad thing.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 06:38, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

English voice actors
If you can't list voice actors for a character without a legit source, no matter how obvious the voice actor may seem, then why do some characters, such as Luke and Emil, have English voice actors listed for them even if they aren't credited in the games they're in? Did the actors themselves confirm their roles?


 * If there is no source for any character from a game that is not Symphonia, then the name really should be removed until a first-party source is provided. For instance, with Luke and Emil, they are not exempt from having accurately cited voice actor names. And in the absence of that, the names that are currently provided should be removed until a source -is- provided. This extends to every character, again excepting the games which do have full voice actor credits like Symphonia, and also those in which the voices remain the same in localization like Destiny PSX... though in this case the "English" voice actor name should be omitted anyway. There are no exceptions otherwise.


 * If you do see any page which does not follow this criteria, you must either remove the voice actor name from the page or add a relevant source, such as confirmations by those voice actors or the groups they are affiliated with that they did voice the given roles. Any such failures in consistency that we have at the present time are due to lack of oversight since pages generally have far worse problems to worry about than this, and I'd rather go through the pages to filter out garbage text like speculation and conversational speech when I see them. I don't remember every single problem that needs to be modified every time, which is why many of our pages are in a perpetual status of suck.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:11, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Why was my picture change for Martel Yggdrasil reverted? I think there should be a picture of her form as Mithos' sister somewhere on the site because she does look different from Goddess Martel. Maybe in another place on the page? It is important to me that people understand that Goddess Martel is /not/ the same as sister-Martel. When Martel was Mithos' sister she looked different than she does at the end of the game when she becomes Goddess-Martel. Please let me know. Thanks.

TillyMunson 00:23, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

My apologies for adding Graces's English voice actors without references... I didn't know about that. Would help if the game would actually credit the actors... I'll ask them in person at conventions and then record their answers with a video that I'll post on YT in order to get a good reference if textual ones are nowhere to be found. BTW people, YouTube has a truckload of panel videos, maybe we can use that as references. I don't know about you, but if a voice actor says "I did the voice of this character", I can't think of any better reference for the site.

Anyway, those are the names that people think that are the voice actors for Graces:
 * Asbel: Bryce Papenbrook (sounds a lot like Zidane in Dissidia: Final Fantasy)
 * Sophie: Cassandra Morris (sounds a lot like Gust from Hyperdimension Neptunia)
 * Hubert: Steve Staley (sounds a lot like Neiji Ryuga from Naruto)
 * Cheria has been confirmed and referenced as Laura Bailey
 * Malik: Jamieson Price (sounds a lot like Iron Tager from BlazBlue)
 * Pascal: Kate Higgins (sounds a lot like Sakura Haruno from Naruto)
 * Richard: David Vincent (sounds a lot like Jin Kisaragi from BlazBlue)

If we can confirm or unconfirm with videos or interviews that the following actors did work on Graces, that would be good for the site. The names are only leads BTW, based on sound, vocal range and rumors... However, if anyone managed to ask them if they worked on the game and filmed them during a panel to then upload it on YT, then it should be enough.

WebJiCi 19:33, March 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, videos are fine as references if the person is saying on camera that he/she voiced the role. It's the most direct means of sourcing a voice actor name, to be sure. As long as there are no embedded videos on any page, I don't have any issue with using videos as sources, though anything along the lines of personal statements by the voice actors on their own websites or blogs will also suffice.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:44, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Once Graces f is released in English...
This thread from the Tales forums will surely be beneficial in the task to add all the English arte names:

http://tales.namco.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=91335


 * Derp? I am a frequent user on the TSF, and I am one of those who contribute regularly, even with the arte lists themselves, on those very forums. I even provide in-depth analyses of certain things, ranging from arte history to the dreaded Tales Cycle, which earns me quite a reputation on the forums, not necessarily a good one but who cares. I know what's on the forums. And I, for one, am glad that the Graces localization thread was finally -removed- from the Tales Series Discussion section where I frequent most, and I think that thread deserves to be burninated for being filled with garbage like speculation for the sake of speculation, discussions just to "keep the thread alive" on a forum that barely moves at a fast pace at all, and overall extend hype for an announcement of a game that was announced literally 13 months ago, far too early and too long to be worth the hype itself.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 04:44, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I kinda already knew you browsed the forums. I'm just giving you a head ups for a helpful tool in the future.

Thanks and Sorry
Hey there. Thanks for not deleting Tales of the Heroes: Twin Brave page. I'm sorry for being such a dick until this time. FYI, I'm not American or British, so I'm sorry if my grammar isn't good. I appreciate your edits in that page. Can't complaint, but you're right about few things. I do not play Tales of Vesperia, or anything related to PS3, XBOX, or Wii. I only watched the whole walkthrough from YouTube, and I conclude all the story, the character's characteristic, etc. I may not the biggest Tales of fan ever, but thanks again. :D

Graces stuff
There is a stream for Graces being played right now here. It is currently at the part after the timeskip where Asbel returns to the Lhant mansion. I'm taking down arte names and such, though there is a running list on the TSF already. Really though, I don't like making changes to the pages unless we have most of the info, since I don't like mixing up Japanese and English arte names as the bolded/linked names. It's inconsistent. But we do need to make changes as soon as possible to allow our pages to be up to date, since any inaction will lead to misguided and false edits by others.

I really wanted Yuri Lowenthall to voice Asbel for the Haseozaku references. ;_;

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:50, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Eh, I wouldn't want Lowenthal for Asbel. It'd be weird since he already played Luke and Asch. Then again, that didn't stop Namco from casting Cheria and Hubert with actors who have already played controllable Tales chars, and Malik's actor played two major villains already. I'm glad Asbel was someone new. Bryce Papenbrook is doing good so far.

And in all honesty, casting characters based on previous performances or cameo costumes is pretty silly.

In any case, good luck with the arte names and such. Don't forget all the item name changes and location name changes too. For example, Baronia is now Barona, Duarise is now Dualize, Arles Pot is now Eleth Mixer, etc.


 * The Suzaku and Haseo/Ovan costumes exist specifically because they are voiced by the same people in the JP version. With Malik and Ovan's English voice actor being matched (based on ear and without cited source, mind you), and Suzaku and Haseo also being matched in English, Asbel's new voice actor actually dismantles the effect which was partially deliberate in Japanese casting roles, or at least it would be hard to believe that it -isn't- deliberate. If you see that as silly, then you can blame Namdai JP for making the original JP voice matches and costume choices in the first place. I blame them for a whole lot more than just this, after all.


 * But I'm also the one who supports having Kohaku/Amber being voiced by the one who voiced Kohaku in Tsukihime, and if Hisui ever gets a voiced role in any game, he should also be voiced by Kohaku's sister Hisui in the same anime. Yes, sister. I don't care what anyone else says, but the fact that Kohaku and Hisui being siblings with specifically these names represents a continuation of the many Nasuverse references in Tales, alongside Shi(ng)ki, Rubiagelita, Iriasviel, and Roa. (I'm joking, these things are obviously coincidences, but I still prefer to think of them as deliberate as my primary argument in supporting the change of Kohak's name to Kohaku rather than Amber lol.)


 * Nah, realistically, I could care less about who voices the characters as long as it is not a complete mismatch of voice and personality. I trust in the localization process. I don't trust in Namdai JP, however, and I hate them for everything they did to the series since 2007 in bringing the full momentum of the Tales Cycle to where it is now.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:00, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

So is Kohak's character page gonna be renamed "Amber", or will it only be changed if Tales of Hearts ever becomes localized? I think Amber is a better name anyway.


 * Hi. I'm pretty new to editing, but I've noticed that there are several differences in requirements to get nicknames between the Wii version and the PS3 version. Would I need to list down my references if I want to state the requirements on the PS3 version? Also, I'm playing the Japanese version, so I'm not sure if the English version follows the Wii's requirements.


 * Revyielle 07:37, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Um wow, don't sign comments using my name and links. >_>;; Just type the four tildes (" ~ ") and the wiki will sign for you automagically.


 * As for the differences between versions, obviously we are already aware of such things, and we have a very specific method of signifying such things on these pages. Believe it or not, all of the title pages are currently being converted to follow this setup and include all localized text wherever it is relevant. Be patient and wait for these changes to come about, which I expect to take another week or two at minimum to reach a standardized and acceptable status; I only started working on the changes to Hubert's title page this morning. Of course, this is on top of all of the other changes which we have been making to other pages, and no one has started to touch up the weapon pages. In fact, I fear what might happen to the weapon pages if someone gets to them first, since I still have to finish cleaning up the mess that was made on the Grade Shop page earlier today. So I'd appreciate if more edits were focused on contributing to story details (and not mere single-sentence commentary or unfounded speculation) for characters and other content-type pages, rather than messing with list-type pages which are for people who know what they're doing, at least until most of the formatting issues are out of the way so the common people can add whatever is necessary without breaking the page somehow.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:01, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I doubt I can contribute much though, since -
 * I don't know what are the localized names for the locations etc.
 * The future arc doesn't appear to be a Japan-exclusive content.
 * I pretty much suck at story-writing *cough* I meant summarizing. x.x


 * Revyielle 13:16, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Question about article name change
Hi, what's your reason for changing the Chlorseraph and Clinoseraph pages to Chroa-seraph and Chrino-seraph? Like most of the characters in Tales of Hearts, their names are based off of minerals. And as the trivia note says, their names come from the minerals clinochlore and seraphite. Therefore, the spellings of Clinoseraph and Chlorseraph make the most sense. I also see no reason for the hyphens since there are no hyphens in their names when written in katakana so why would there be when romanized?

Unless you've got concrete proof that they're supposed to be written Chroa-seraph and Chrino-seraph (like an artbook scan with the names written as such?) I think this edit is wholly unjustified.

--Commandant 11:56, March 16, 2012 (UTC)Commandant


 * It's not like I enjoy these names either, but we will always go with whatever has been made official in materials that have been published under Namdai JP's discretion, only to be overridden by any names established by localized media. Thus it is perfectly justified, and in fact our original names were the ones which were never justified to begin with. That doesn't make these official names likeable by any means though - I think "Grafyte" looks stupid, Corundum's name became hyper-unintelligible, and yeah, the mineral references became more obscured. In any case, enjoy reading the thread and what people think the rationale is for having these names as is. You are at liberty to bump the thread with a request for scans from the book, or you can buy the book itself, but I can assure you that no one in the thread who has the book itself is lying about these officially rendered names.


 * For the record, I actually forgot to make these name changes when the thread was being discussed. I even posted in it regarding Julio and Caro from NariDan 2/3. I only remembered now to make these changes to the Hearts character names due to the localization of Kohak[u] and Hisui's names to Amber and Jadeite, and it's a chance to make sweeping edits all at once instead of incrementally, which I truly oppose in most other situations.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:58, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * AH I see. Those Hearts romanizations are all pretty... unfortunate. But I guess if that's the only way they've officially been romanized then there's nothing for it. Are those localized names for Kohak and Hisui from Graces? I thought only Kohak had a cameo in it.


 * --Commandant 13:32, March 16, 2012 (UTC)Commandant


 * Yes these names are from Graces. Many character names are being localized for the first time through the Magic Carta minigame which is part of Graces itself. Basically, it's a minigame involving cards which are found hidden throughout the entire game, to be used in a minigame in which the player must match a voiced quote with the character who said it in his/her original game. The character names are written in the card descriptions, and the cards themselves show characters from throughout the entire series. So "Amber" exists as both a cameo character and a card, while "Jadeite" is just the card.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:43, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * AH ok. I literally just ordered Graces so I haven't had a chance to play it yet. I guess I can live with Amber, but Jadeite is quite possibly one of the worst localized names I've ever seen. I'm assuming they went with Jadeite instead of just Jade to avoid confusion with ToA Jade, but if they wanted to avoid that I don't see why they didn't just leave it as Kohak and Hisui?? Are any of the other party members of ToH in this minigame or just those two?


 * --Commandant 13:51, March 16, 2012 (UTC)Commandant


 * Yeah lol, I would have been okay with Jaden maybe (but Shing looks more like Jaden down to the duel disk he carries on his arm), but Jadeite makes him seem like a Sailor Moon character. But then, so is Kunzite. Anyway, the minigame has all playable chars from all of the main games (plus the Swordians in Destiny), along with Emil/Marta, Caius/Rubia, and Dio/Mell. People are still searching for the cards to find out if any other names have been changed, and so far the Destiny chars remain with their current names (which means we still have Garr/Bruiser/Karyl). Shing's name remains unchanged too. I will be making changes when I learn about them.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:08, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hi and sorry
Hi Am new to this so sorry for messing up some pages I will try My best to help thought. in whatever way I can. So I hope I can get along. P.S I realize that the this wiki dosen t have a Chat Room. Why is That? just asking. GuyAsbelKnight


 * Chatrooms are a terribad idea which should have never been implemented by Wikia Central. I oppose turning this wiki into a social website with blog nonsense and other such garbage, when the purpose of such things is already made redundant when talk pages such as -this- page exist for discussions. In fact, my hatred for Wikia's changes goes so deep that I openly suggest that any new users should immediately go into their preferences and change their skin to Monobook and -not- Wikia New Look, since the newer skin utterly destroys many aspects of our formatting due to the fixed width of the content area which does not exist in Monobook. Besides, the simplicity of the original MediaWiki/Wikipedia skin is better and easier to navigate than excess frills and countless other useless features which cater to the social networking crowd.


 * If community chatrooms are really needed, that's what the official Namco Tales Forums are for. We don't need anything like that here beyond the talk pages for project coordination.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:10, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Okay I understand your cause Thank you for telling I will Help support the wiki in anyway GuyAsbelKnight

Can I Ask you something?
You seem to have a lot of trouble with people who edit pages that don't fit with your approval. But how are we supposed to know whether our edits will always meet with your approval or not? And then you chastise people for editing pages in ways you didn't like even though they probably couldn't have known what your demands were.

I'm one of those people. I'm really sorry that my recent edits have been an inconvenience for you. I'm new to this sort of thing. I haven't even read any FAQs or guidelines for editing pages. I'll read them and I promise from now on when I edit pages, I'll try my best to only edit the parts I should and not cause any huge problems.

But I also think you should be more patient with Wiki editors. I know some people can be stupid, but you don't have to yell or type in all caps to get your point across. I think if you calmly explain what they did wrong and redirect them to the guidelines or an FAQ, they'll be able to learn easier and this wiki will surely get better.


 * ...right, sorry. But most of everything is in the Manual of Style, and if not, then comparisons with existing pages are sufficient. Using basic unformatted tables to create new lists of stuff is tantamount to garbage, as was the page I deleted earlier from one new user. And most things on a page, if they already exist with associated data and numbers, often would exist for a reason and not to seem like a duplication of information, like the stuff you deleted on Sophie's title page, which, as the entry numbers should have indicated to you, are precisely how those titles are sorted in the Wii version of the game. In any case, I am an angry person, and the internet just happens to be a convenient way to relieve stress (by causing more of it, awkwardly enough) so that I don't spontaneously collapse into tears in real life. But I hate blogging, so I'll leave it at that.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:13, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

You kind of said the same thing to me, didn't you? I didn't know about anything like that and I was only trying to help. Sorry if I did not meet your "SATISFACTION". --ReshiramArc1255 22:40, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

ToG Template
 Tales of Graces Characters Data Weapons Swords • Gauntlets • Dualblades • Daggers Bladerangs • Shotstaffs • Rapiers Equipment Plates • Robes • Clothing Scabbards • Anklets • Frames • Ribbons Colognes • Scarves • Cloaks Accessories • Attachments Other Tools • Materials • Food • Recipes • Manuscripts • Valuables • Magic Carta Remodeling • Quality • Equipment Skills • Mastery Skills Discovery Points • Trophies • Strategy • Monster Book • Grade Shop I've basically finished the Unique (Characteristic in JP) Equipment pages for every one; the only thing that's missing is proper categories, and some resell rates which don't matter. I'm thinking the new template would look like this, except Cloaks redirects to the current Robes page currently, and I'm not 100% sure if Malik's equipment is called Cologne or Perfume. I've also moved Rapiers' position to match the Collector's Book order, and added Attachments since they appear in the PS3 version, but I think there's only three or four that are non-DLC. I'll let you decide how it should be edited so I don't break anything.

JoeTang 15:58, April 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks okay to me. I deleted the redirect so that the new page can be created with that same name.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:33, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

TotH:TB Artes
I will fix the pages as fast as I can. --J944004 03:02, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

A Small Question
Yo. I was wondering if I can add some anime cutscene pictures to some article? Of course they are related to the section. I won't add them in the gallery though. Just look at Senel Coolidge page to see what I mean.


 * Do you plan to add sources for the images in the "Summary" section when you upload them? More importantly, do you even have sources other than screenshots from Youtube, which should never be used under any circumstances due to copyright violation? If the answer is no to either question, then my own answer is self-explanatory.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:59, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yup, that's what I'm planning. I want to put some screenshots in the Summary section. I think that maybe if we give some pictures, people who never played the game, or want to but cannot, will feel better while reading it. Sometimes it's boring if we just read it. I do have other sources. If not, I'll just have to go and find one. I'll figure a way somehow. --GamerGirlzPS2 21:19, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Where then?
I'm sorry, I'm trying to contact Tara Sands to get the accurate info of stuff from DotNW, along witht the correct characters she voiced in Pokemon. And I'm sure Funimation itself might be a reliable source. Here:

http://www.funimation.com/tales-of-vesperia/forum/funimation-shows/and-more/tales-of-vesperia/tales-of-vesperia-dub-cast

Straight from the horses mouth. Is that reliable or what?

Looks like they also got dibs on Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Rebirth. And though it's irrelevant they got Record of Lodoss War too.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:35, April 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * You might want to look up what "straight from the horse's mouth" means.


 * http://www.funimation.com/rojas/blog/tales-of-vesperia-cast-announcement/2873151


 * This is your reliable source which is a first party news announcement, not some copy paste inside a discussion forum or a news aggregate.


 * JoeTang 01:41, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

One of two favors.
Hello. Sorry to bother you but I need a table for all the manuscripts found in Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. There are two types of these: The first type is for Artes used like I think it was Sylph's Circle... When it's equipped to a monster it learns the arte Healing Circle. The other are what I call the "Colored Manuscripts" because each colored manuscript raises a monster's EXP by a certain amount. The best one was the Rainbow Manuscript which increases a monsters EXP by a whopping 100,000 points. The problem is the giant Poliwigles have it and they only appear sometimes in Gladsheim. I think I remember the colors of the other manuscripts: Grey, Yellow, White, Scarlet, Azure, Purple, Silver, Peach and Gold. The thing is I have to backtrack again to see how much each is worth, where to find them and the like.

Anyway, what did you think of the source for the Tales Of Vesperia First Strike info. I got it straight from the Funimation site itself.

I'll tell you the other favor I need in time.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 15:16, April 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Joe expressed my very same thoughts perfectly. There is nothing else to add on that issue, other than how I cannot see any content on Funimation's website due to this message: Thank you for your interest. Unfortunately, this site is not available in your country.


 * As for this table that you seem to want me to make for you... I'll do it on my own time. Not only am I busy with irl, I still have to deal with some internet problems which prevent me from being online on any long-term basis. Any terms to be used for separating the two types of manuscripts will come directly from the game. We will not invent terms like "colored manuscripts" out of nowhere; it must currently exist in some resource. If there is no term to differentiate these two types of items, then all table content will just be grouped together, no problem. And seeing how you want me to make a table outline for the page, no that is not how things are done here. If I am tasked to do a page, I will complete it on my own and in full upon the first edit with data compiled through Japanese sources, which takes less time than doing original research from the game proper, -especially- if that process is gradual since any publishing of awkwardly incomplete data (sans data points like selling prices which few sources ever have listed anyway) is cause for deletion.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:05, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

I see. Oh I almost forgot. There was another set of Grimoires called Messages. These grant monsters Abilities they don't normally have. Possibly at Level 2 like P. ATK 2 or P. DEF 2. Things like that. All you have to do is figure out the table format. I'll take care of the rest. And I apologize for any incovenience and the whole VA's thing. Just one thing, do you have an E-mail account and access to [tarasands.com]? That's kinda the second favor.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:56, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

P. S. Sorry you can't access Funimation from your end. Also, consider this a gift:



for your side.

Supporting chars
K no prob I just saw some red links there already so figured people were adding them.

Do you think a list page could be better? Sort of like how the minor Oresoren chars are all collected onto a single page? Like Ed and Isabella are red links, they are both listed as the Bantam Bouncers so maybe a page for the BB that they're be on?

Unfortunately I doubt there's enough content to make a Senel-like page, but combining minor chars' descriptions together could help make it bigger. +y@talk 00:44, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Insect Class is done.
Aside from the Strike Arte japanese names and romanji, the Insect Class artes and skills are done. Just finished the Spider Family. It was the last one. And it wasn't easy to do. I'll leave the rest to you.

I know that you have your way of doing things but I'm just not sure how the tables will go. At the very least the types of Grimories shuld have their tables color coded in this order:

A table for healing grimories should be light gray, the chart for attack arte grimories should be dark grey, the chart for Skill grimories should be green and the chart for EXP grimories should be red.

I'm on another ToS:DotNW playthrough. I'll update the info as I go. Like what levels Monsters return to their base forms at.

Plus, the whole Magnar thing was from my memory. and who knows, maybe he was the only surviving member of the Vanguard.

Once again, I apologize. I always consult with you first since you're more of an expert than me. I just seek guidance on how to do things right. You should be thanking me for my help at the very least. And it's not like I want to cause trouble for you. Maybe if you give me a project to work on, I'll stick with it. Like the Monsters Artes and Skills that haven't been done yet. I'll work on the Chirpee family next. But this time I'll work it on Notepad. But the skills might take some finding. But the new skill the Bird Class gets an ability not yet posted yet: VS Insect. They are birds after all.

So anyway, I really hope we can be friends.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 04:40, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Tales of Innocence R Arte Users
I know how much you enjoy seeing my name, but I'm here to ask if there's any reason not to add arte users from Innocence R on the wiki's arte pages.

I'm prepared to visit every arte page from each character and add them as a user, but I'm sure you would like me to first confirm that you have no objections against me doing so.

LGT (talk) 18:09, April 16, 2012 (PST)


 * Since you're going to do this anyway, go for it. You're not going to do anything other than these pages which are better left forgotten anyway. Innocence Rotten counts as a new game, so it should be listed as such. To stay consistent with the other portmakes and enhanced reports, you should format entries so that the title is displayed as:


 * Tales of Innocence R (VITA) - blahblahblah


 * For that matter, if you're going through all of these pages anyway, please add the junk that was compiled here and here and here. (Wow, thank you MediaWiki for adding that link suggestion dropdown box, otherwise I couldn't remember any of these page names, even my own.) Also try to add the names that Kaji used for his most recent patches for NariDan 2 and 3, as well as Throughhim's patch for Innocence DS, if you have the time and resources to do so. Also add descriptions etc., if you can. Follow the usual format for everything that you are going to add; I won't bother to review the pages anymore other than a few random spotchecks.


 * And furthermore, there was a category modification which I mentioned on some talk page a long time ago which would be relevant to fix at this same time as well, but I don't remember all of the details right now and I think I need to re-review that change before really putting it into effect, since it relates to wiki infrastructure after all. Avoid formatting pages using collapsibles the way it is on Demon Fang right now for the same reason - I need to recall what it was I was intending to accomplish with these things.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:20, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Here's a small obstacle for me.

In Ricardo's arte list, he has two artes named "Gatling Evil" and "Break Shoot." Am I to assume that these are both borrowed from Pascal (and am free to add their English names), or because of the lack of Kanji, are we to assume that they are all separate artes like Cheria's and Rowen's Requiems?

LGT (talk) 07:13, April 20, 2012 (PST)


 * Yeah ew, I noticed this before. Due to the lack of kanji, yes they have to be separated as different artes. I'm sure the devs meant them to be the same artes but they chose the wrong names, basing it on whatever is voiced rather than written in the menus. Then again the localized Graces does something similar with T. Blade and T. Strike and other names as listed in the menu, which is why I have to bend the rules of officializing stuff that is written in the menus for the sake of things like this.


 * I may have to make exemptions for Ricardo's (and Rowen's) artes, which means I have to rethink our entire policy, but in the meantime, just refer to them as unique artes which are in reference to the ones which existed prior.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:35, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Here's the last you'll be hearing from me for a while.

During the final battle of Radiant Mythology 3, Lazaris is able to create multiple "ラザリス幹官"s that cast spells while he fights physically. So far, the Ground Dasher page is the only page that I've come across in which it is necessary to list the ラザリス幹官 as a user.

I took the easy route and named it a "Lazaris Trunk," but I'll let you give me a better name that you would like to see on each arte page.

LGT (talk) 17:03, April 30, 2012 (PST)


 * Meh, I can't think of anything better, other than not translating the name in the first place. I'd rather not invent translated names unless it is in quotes on a monster list, and this is not one of those pages. But hell if I know if the kanji is read as 'kankan' or what... Kotobank isn't helping.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:16, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Chirpee Family Done
I just finished the Artes and Skills of the Chirpee family, and it wasn't easy going back and forth between skill sets The hard part was since VS. Insect wasn't made yet I had to make it myself. And I have no idea what Whistle, Snowfall or Battle Cry do. I did the huge part. Next I'll have to make the Artes and Skills of the Tortoise Family for the VS. Beast, then the Slime family for the VS. Magical Being, the Gremlin family for VS. Dragon, The Fire Drake family for VS. Free Form, Zombie Family for VS. Demon and Clay Golem for the VS. Ghost family.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:55, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you're going to leave "Info" in areas where you don't know what something does, then stop making pages. This is no better than filler pages, which I strictly forbid, and this page is now a candidate for deletion unless info can be inserted as needed or the nested row in which you put "Info" is deleted. Not every arte is supposed to have an effect, and it is erroneous to assume that something exists... and then leave glaring blanks for such "Info" which shouldn't be there. I'd rather have the entire page not be there, but you know that already since I told you to stop making pages in the first place. But as I suspected, you won't stop anyway, and while it does hurt me to repeat it for the n'th time, I'm already a very broken person as it is. The pages that you made already have to be fixed first, before moving on to whatever is next. For that matter, priorities have to come first before whatever is next. And like everything else, I also said this before, but stop informing me about your progress reports. I don't care, and this isn't a blog. I see the Recent Changes page, and I observe every single edit that every single person makes here unless I choose to turn a blind eye to certain edits. I can never do that with you, sadly enough.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:19, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't exactly know the romanji for Vs. Insect 1, Vs. Insect 2 or Vs. Insect 3. So just give me a list of what needs to be done and I'll try to get it done for you. And I had to go back and forth between skill sets to find the ones that went with the Chirpee family. That was hard considering not all skill sets were done and not all monsters have the same skill sets. I'm already playing ToS:DotNW for the fourth time and I'll try to get the info needed for the Strike Arts of the Chirpee Family. And like I said I'm not trying to cause trouble.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 11:03, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Holy **** why are you screwing around with incremental edits again? 16 edits to one page in x number of hours, half of them removing just four or so instances of  instead of all of them at once? Whatever happened to using the "Preview" button instead of committing an edit which is obviously broken, and doing that so many times? Do you still not realize that I look at every single edit you and others make in order to fulfill my lowly and disgusting janitor duties, and this just adds to my effort?


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:45, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Edit - I don't see how hard the pages could be (time-consuming, sure, which is why I don't bother doing them) if you actually make use of the Japanese resources that exist, which already have the same info compiled and usually a lot more than what individual spontaneous research can accomplish. Again, it's an overlap of effort, the same effort which could have been used to just translate material and post locally it using our formatting requirements. Granted, this only really helps if you know enough Japanese to navigate the pages and translate the material enough to know what is what, even if you don't know what the kanji/kana actually says. But you are just basing everything on what presently exists on other pages, which is inefficient no matter how you look at it, when you could have gone to one of the JP wiki sites that exist and find everything you need to know without even touching the game - I know I won't be playing DotNW ever again.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:52, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Which is why you should leave all DotNW projects to me. I can help. Just one thing, one of your sources for Japanese Texts no longer exists.

I'm trying using the Google Translator to convert it from English to Japanese, but something's wrong. What kind of Japanese text did you use for the charts? Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:28, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Edit: I think I got it now. I used the translator and got this: 対昆虫族 Tai konchū-zoku Thank you Google Translator, and you of course boss. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:42, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I might as well add something to this conversation and give out these words of advice. Do not use Google Translator, it is extremely unreliable and hardly translates anything correctly. --Zolo Miphares 04:58, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

And allow me to add something to this conversation: I did the entire Chirpee thing on Wordpad before I handed it in. But how could you... then again it did translate the last character to tribe. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:52, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Allow me to tell you that your role in this conversation is none. I am telling you what to do: nothing. I hereby deny you the satisfaction of completing this page - I have done everything myself as soon as I had the displeasure of seeing this single letter, ū, on my talk page. Did you never read the translation guidelines ALSO on the Manual of Style? No, this is the last straw of dozens of last straws. Diacritics make me sick. The entire page has been corrected per the requirements I have stated time and time again.


 * You claim that the JP resource listed on the page is a dead link. Well then, just -why- did you keep the link there if it leads to a source that doesn't exist? That means you aren't even using the sources that are there. Each page should have the reference data updated on an as-needed basis, with the "retrieved on" date changed every time a new page is created (unless it's an in-bulk page creation process which rarely happens unless I get one of my sudden bursts of inspiration, or bursts of rage as it is these days). I have therefore updated the link to a web archive of that site since the real site has ceased to exist, maybe because the people managing it also hate DotNW, I dunno.


 * The process of fixing the code for this page was really repetitive, and it is not one that I want to repeat for these existing pages. I also made some new changes which really needed to be put into being, all part of my "do everything all at once" mentality. Some of these problems are not your fault actually, rather they are things I never caught or paid attention to since I was turning a blind eye to such things until such a time that I would go through and change other things at the same time anyway.




 * Oh what. What the fuck. Oh you are not trying to do something like this. The edit I submitted had all details completed in full, including the proper Japanese names for each arte and skill based on data established on the source that I am using, which is listed on the page. When I submitted that edit, the MediaWiki software informed me of an edit conflict, which I happily ignored since I knew my edit would supercede yours in every way possible. But since I am the wiki janitor around here, I decided to look at what you changed. It makes me want to claw out my eyes from my face. Are you seriously inventing Japanese names for the artes by inputting them into some web translator? Do you even realize the gravity of what you are doing? YOU WILL NOT INVENT THINGS OUT OF THIN AIR. EVERYTHING MUST BE GATHERED FROM VERIFIABLE AND CITED SOURCES AT ALL TIMES, AND JAPANESE NAMES FOR EVERYTHING MUST MATCH THE CONTENT THAT EXISTS IN THE JAPANESE VERSION OF THE GAMES THEMSELVES. I don't even begin to understand what prompted you to think it is a good idea to invent Japanese names, something which you stayed safely away from for all this time.


 * No, that's it, get out. I would rather never see an edit from you again. Every single thing that you do here makes things worse, and as this one page has shown, I can do the entire thing alone and somehow make the code seem as if it was never defiled by your hands.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:48, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

But what about the Monster Ally guide? You still need me to know what levels the final form monsters need to de-evolve back to their basic forms. You know what? The guys at Pokemon Wiki and Winx Wiki are a lot nicer than you. I won't leave this wiki and you can't make me!

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:19, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

You realize that if you treat users too harshly, people can report you as an abusive administrator. Administrators actually have no more power over other users and IPs, simply just a few more tools to work with. The purpose of administrators is to maintain the wikias, not to form monarchies.

I apologize if this sounds like criticism, but this is actually just a reminder to please not abuse your rights. Block me if you want, but I can still contact the Wikia Staff if I find that you're abusing your administrator rights. This user simply did not understand your policies, there's no reason to curse at and harass him.--Thenewguy34 21:47, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes that's right, and never once have I used my administrative powers for anything other than banning vandals and bots. That is the one and only reason that I have admin powers, since the previously existing admin did very little to curb those past situations, and it's a pain to request for help from the Wikia VSTF staff with the time pressure involved when bots are making malicious edits which I cannot do anything about other than revert them as they happened. In one of the previous years, I had to singlehandedly undo literally hundreds of edits, if not thousands, while they were being created in the very same process, before one of the VSTF people finally blocked the IP of that bot x hours later. This very situation was what led to me requesting admin powers, because the entire ordeal was a headache to deal with.


 * If you review past comments from my archived talk pages linked at the top of this page, you will note that I have always acted this way, and in fact the admin powers I now wield actually changed nothing because I can't really do much of anything with them to begin with. I consider myself to be the same as a normal user-- nay, I am less than a normal user. I am a janitor. I handle all of the filth and garbage because no one else would. So you need not think of this as power-tripping or abuse of rights. I would always act the same way whether or not I have powers, since such powers simply do not apply in cases where people who think they are doing good things but decidedly ARE NOT are ruining various aspects of our pages.


 * In the case of Winxfan above, please review the entirety of her talk page and note MY descent into madness. I tried to be gentle and supportive at first, I really did (in relative terms to my norm, at least). I told her everything she was doing wrong, how to do things, where to go to see how everything should be done in no uncertain terms. But she ignores everything I say not once, but almost EVERY time, forcing me to fix everything in such a way that it would seem like she never touched the pages to begin with. And if that's the case, then I'd rather have it so people like this -do- never touch the pages. I won't ban people over things like this - I encourage their own self-imposed exile because I do not want to be pushed -to- abuse my powers. With all honesty, it feels that I have been TOO tolerant to situations like this, and enough was enough 20 enoughs ago.


 * In any case, I may be an authoritative bitch, but I do value free speech and arguments. Again, I won't ban you for saying your piece. You're not a bot or vandal. I'm just naturally abrasive and prone to anger. Insert your own assumptions about my situation irl here if you wish, since I will admit that the online world is the means through which I relieve a great deal of stress, ironically by causing more of it as my role in this very wiki shows.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:32, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Why are users who have disabled e-mails from wikia not permitted to editing this wikia? Also, why are IPs blocked as well? I really don't understand why e-mails could affect my editing. --Thenewguy34 17:19, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * There may be some instances where emails and IPs were used in the past by users who have spammed or vandalized the wiki. In at least one case, the user had a dynamic IP and so I was forced to block an entire IP range to prevent the user from continuing, due to ban evasion. If you or others got caught up in this IP range block, then that is cause for apology to be sure, but the range will have to remain blocked since the spam tends to start up again not long after the ban duration is completed. The same situation may have occurred if you are merely assigned the same IP by your internet provider with one that was banned directly in the past; if you have a dynamic IP capability, just turn off your modem/router for at least 20 seconds before turning them on again. Then again, this is how IP blocks are bypassed in the first place, other than using proxies, which is why ranged blocks have been put in place, but I think I have only done that once, and renewed it once for that matter.


 * As for emails, it's the same situation, though I do not understand why you would be personally affected by an email block when such emails are tied globally to Wikia user accounts. Or perhaps you're talking about the "autoconfirm" setting which, if I remember correctly, requires user emails to be confirmed. I believe this was one option that the VSTF people turned on at my request, since I couldn't make the change, I don't remember anymore.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:32, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Monster Book be re-named to the Enemy Book?
It's called the Enemy Book in Graces, so that's probably what they're gonna call it from now on.

I think it makes more sense, too, imo. Not all of the enemies in the games are "monsters" per se, so "enemy book" is more broad.

Then again, regarding the names of the book, Namco is inconsistent. They called it the Enemy Book in RM and Graces only, I believe. Every other game is Monster Book. Maybe we should only change the name of the pages from Monster to Enemy for RM and Graces then? Or should all the pages say "enemy book"?


 * I do like "Enemy Book" better, since as you say, it's more broad and includes members of sentient races who oppose the party. But this has to be done on a per-game basis, such that every localized game will have whatever term is used in that game. Any unlocalized game, however, should use the most recent term as it always is, provided the game uses the same JP term of "Monster Zukan" (and iirc this is used in every game anyway so it wouldn't be an issue). Remember that we have to be internally consistent with each game's pages, which is why the localized arte names for those games are linked and bolded, and most recent terms are merely noted in parentheses and not really used anywhere else, as it applies within that given game. It's the pages which apply to all games univerally (individual arte pages, general terms, character names) which use the most recent localized names as the page titles, so that any article which explains the concept of the "Enemy Book" will be named as such... not that there should be a page for this in the first place. I'll make the appropriate changes on each template later today after researching it a bit more.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:13, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hello Mayu Miyuki, me, Krazyfilmer123;I need to tell you something.I know that you forbid me to continue making not-so connected pages, but please don't call my pages "retarded" like you just said;I am actually 10 years old,I am a child.Please don't say that I said this so you could leave me alone,I am NOT LYING about my age.Again,I repeat that I am NOT LYING about my age.And please don't block me because it's just not fair to block me just because I said this to you and also just because you're a Janitor.If you want to talk back with me,please don't use foul language because this could lead to an argument against you and me.I am not being angry at you or upset,just saying.

Hello Mayu Miyuki,it is me,Krazyfilmer123 again. Just a friendly reminder that I recommend that you should rid of a great amount of your annoyance and anger.You know that anyone could block you even though you are a admin,right?It's always important to get rid of your annoyance and anger because anyone could get you into serious trouble.If you block me,I will still contact Wiki.I already know someone else said this,but just to remind you that you need to stop being angry because also anyone else can start an argument with.I'm not trying to annoy you, I'm giving you a friendly warning.

Hi.It is me, Krazyfilmer123 and I know that i'm starting to become the Annoying Orange here,but I want to ask you a friendly question.Despite you said that you are filled with annoyance and anger,but also you said that we still have to remember that you love us all.Do you really mean from your heart that you love us all, or are you just filled hypocrisy? (meaning pretending to be good.)This is not to get you angry.


 * Age is irrelevant on the internet, just like gender and orientation and religion and political preferences and everything else. Simply mentioning any of these in places where it is not warranted is just to seek for attention, whether it's true or not, which is why such claims should never be taken seriously on the internet. I never said I was going to block you, or anyone else for that matter unless the user in question is a bot or vandal. I have repeated this, and you clearly read the same words, but apparently you don't understand the concept that people can be vindictive and irritable without having to use one's powers for the wrong purpose. I do not ban people based on dissent. Therefore, your "warning" is unwarranted because I will continue to act as I always do. As for loving everyone, well, it applies if you are reasonable enough to understand what the rules and priorities are and then follow them. Are you? That user page of mine was written yeeeears ago, when I was in a better state of mind prior to all sorts of **** that happened, online and offline, but it doesn't change how you are misusing the word hypocrisy in the wrong context.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:14, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Well,I was wrong in saying to get rid of your annoyance,it's your habit anyway.


 * Yeah, and it's a sad thing too, that it became such a habit. It's well past time for me to retire from this wiki because it gives me no joy to be hounding everyone over the things I must, not to mention how I disliked the continued propagation of the Tales series ever since the Tales Cycle started rolling in full force in 2007. But I know that once I'm gone, the bad things will only become compounded because no one bothers to keep a tight watch on everything and actually fix them. After all, I'm the one who is certain to do precisely that, a week later if need be, especially during those times my internet connection is down. I am a slave to this wiki, the lowest position possible, and being an "admin" really means I get the worst job of holding up the weight of the whole site, the dreaded upside-down pyramid concept. My attitude is merely a consequence of this fact. And it was like this even before I gained that label of "admin", so the label itself and its powers are meaningless unless bots and vandals are involved.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:12, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Question
When are you going to retire from the Aselia Wiki?


 * Did you read what I said above? I will retire when I die. If I ever disappear, you can probably assume that I got run over by a car or something. Until then, I have no choice but to continue here because I cannot rest for as long as people continue to trash this wiki with pages with little to no content, or other badly-written contributions.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:09, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

You should train some proteges or something who can monitor this wiki in your absence or when (or if) you decide to leave. Joetang or Lanate seem pretty reliable to me.

Tales of Festival page
It's been a while. Anyway, I wanted to ask you something. About Tales of Festival page, does it have to be edited like the other Tales series's pages? Because I wanted to edit it. I have found tons of information about it, but I'm confused whether or not my edit will be right or not. Also, Tales of Festival is an annual event, so what should I write on that page? Thanks.

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 20:54, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I looked at the existing page for that thing, and it turns out it was never deleted. Looking at the edit history, it was created as spam (the first edit was a single letter 'm', the second edit was me putting a deletion request since this was before I had admin powers, the third edit was vandalism, the fourth edit was me reverting that vandalism). So rather than allowing the page to continue to exist, I have deleted it as it should have been three years ago. Anyway, I do not encourage you to create a new page if you can use that same effort to flesh out other existing pages which need more detail and information. If, for some absurd reason, you do want to recreate this page, it must be the equivalent of a full essay, at least comparable to articles dedicated to characters or terms in the games. If you cannot manage that, then you simply should not bother with creating the page. Articles with few sentences which state the obvious, or articles with sections that amount to those same few sentences which state the obvious, are never wanted here.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:43, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

So, can I edit it? Also, about that edit in Milla Maxwell page that you deleted, can I rewrite it? Because Milla is really the oldest heroine. GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 14:40, May 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * In case you didn't notice it already, the page has already been deleted just as I had said. You may recreate the page from scratch IF you have enough info to make a full page worthwhile. As for Milla, I was not sure about your context, as to whether you considered Milla to be the oldest lead female protagonist out of two, the other being Mika in Tales of Breaker, which makes it rather pointless info when there is not a relevant case sample to make this info worth stating, or if you considered Milla to be the oldest playable female, which is outright incorrect even if you include Milla's status as a created being, since Grune transcends the history of all worlds, giving her a true age of infinity (lol tales). Or maybe you are considering it in terms of her being the oldest lead male protagonist's woman or something like that? It's kinda awkward to think about, and your wording is unclear.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:55, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

First time I see you lolled. Typical Tales. Anyway, I think I'll recreate that page. Hmm, about Milla, I think she's the oldest lead female protagonist by appearance. How about I write like that? GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 20:54, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

What are we gonna do with the ToG Magic Carta page?
Is it just gonna be a list of all the carta cards in the game, or will it include the prizes you can get from the game, as well as from the guy in the Zavhert port?

I might compile a list of the cards myself, but I' m not sure whether to include the secondary quotes as well as the primary ones. I also don't know what number Amber's card is in the Wii version since for some reason it's in the 60's in the PS3 version, even though all other cards past 50 are PS3 exclusive. I might not have all the information needed to make a carta list.

Have you seen this...?
<--This. Don't really know what to say. Apparently, he's been disregarding everything you tell him? I'm weirded out by his profile. Moviebaby 04:04, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Weird. But I must admit, if he really is ten years old, he's pretty literate.


 * It's not against the rules, so I don't really care. The userpages are for personal use as long as they aren't used to link to illegal materials or whatever.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:23, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

You're right. Just shared it for a little laugh. Moviebaby 04:04, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Helpful Edits
Just like to thank you for editing my Supreme Elements page. I forgot about the redundant terms I mentioned over and over. But, thanks.

水のウォーリー 12:00, May 4, 2012 (UTC)水のウォーリー

Thank you!
Thank you for correcting my pages and pointing out the necessities. I do still have got a lot to learn about editing this wikia and I promise to be more careful in the future! Sorry for having caused you troubles.

Kazenokasa 14:06, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Tara Sands Roles
I am right about Tara being Seles Wilder, and Verius. I heard it with my own ears. Maybe if you compared The voices of those two with say someone like Tiara's shadow from Shamanic Princess or Tiara herself you'll see I'm right. There's no need to be so official about it. We don't really need sources to prove anything. But I just wanted to get it siraight from Tara herself. A lot of people seem to not know the fact about a few of the characters she voiced. For example, Tara was Bianca in the movie Pokemon Heroes, not Lisa Ortiz. Look at the Pokemon Wiki and Winx Wiki. They don't need sources and they're fine.

The reason I asked Moviebaby to send Tara the email was because for some strange reason my Microsoft Outlook doesn't work, so I can't send it myself.

Anyway, you could be a little more friendly to everyone. You don't have to be a bully. And another thing, I'm a guy.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:18, May 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Asking for valid sources is being a bully? I'm just gonna NOPE you and continue on with my day. I don't give a damn about the policies of other wiki sites, but on this one, sources are required and any attempt to subvert this will undermine the status of this wiki as a reliable resource. If you think your ears are a source, then leave this wiki already and contribute to GameFAQs or IMDB or whatever else where your assumptions which are little more than lies can be welcomed with open arms. Remember, this wiki forbids speculation, and this applies to everything without exception. Now kindly don't mention this garbage of yours to me again until you have legitimate sources. A blog post is not one of those, so your edits on Rita and Raven's pages are going to be reverted in 3, 2, 1...


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:26, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well I have a better idea, why don't YOU quit altogether?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:48, May 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * I wish I could, but it won't happen for as long as people like you are around. The moment I leave is the moment that this wiki descends into vandalism and spam just like it was in 2009, or hell, in 2008 when someone who was just like you claimed that there was a port of Destiny PSX to the Sega Saturn as if it was a fact. Perhaps you think this is true too.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:05, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

I will guarantee it won't. And it wouldn't hurt to ask the voice actors/actresses about the roles they played, even if they were minor ones.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:53, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Another Tales Wiki
I moved all my info to another Tales Wiki and will work there. There are no restrictions there so I can edit to my hearts content. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 13:50, May 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * And that was exactly what I wanted you to do. You don't want rules, so you should go somewhere else where there are no rules while leaving us alone. Your content is uploaded under the CC-BY-SA anyway, and since these are your contributions, you can post such things elsewhere. However, anything else that you intend to copy, which is not your contribution (such as my table designs or what I added to the tables themselves), must be accredited (GASP CITATIONS) to us or I will personally see to it that any newly created wiki will lose the support of its host on grounds of plagarism which falls against Wikia's licensing rules. It's called a cease and desist order, so yes, there are still rules even if you leave.


 * The previous admin did this to one other Tales wiki in the past, which no longer exists because Wikia Central took action on his behalf. And I did the same to a different one to force that site to stop using my table format... though I know they are still copying and badly rewording our content even now, since I monitor their wiki daily as a tab on my browser. I will find yours too and monitor it to make certain of these same things, with the legal guillotine looming over your head. Remember, I take legal concerns seriously, and that is why citations are always required when dealing with content which exists anywhere other than our own minds or the games which this wiki is focused on, and it is also why speculations and walkthroughs and embedded Youtube videos are forbidden.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:47, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

I think I can do that in the talk pages. But the wiki doesn't recognize the template so it came out as straightline code. But how can I do citations on that wiki from this one? Also, you still need to know what level monsters de-evolve back into their base form. The last one was Sea Bishop de-evolves back into Sea Monk @ Lv. 38, but you probably already knew that from the chart. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:42, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

I have a better idea.
Why don't I delete the stupid Manual of Style. How about that?

Oops. Too late. I already did. What're you gonna do about it?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:18, May 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Whoa, whoa. Relax, man. I know how you feel cuz back then I was in the same situation as you too. She scolded me a lot for editing. Back then she forbade me from editing any pages. I was angry at first. But, part of it is my fault. She's right at some point. Because an encyclopedia have to be written properly and only serves the facts. Now I can edit again although not much because I'm out of this wiki for a while. That Tales of the Heroes: Twin Brave page is the result. I gathered a lot of information to make that page. You need to consider your actions. This wiki can be protested by fans if it serves false information.

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 17:03, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Location Stub
I've been sifting through some half-assed pages with horrible writing in an attempt to clean them up, and I've noticed there is no location stub for Tales of Vesperia. I realize there is little to no information on many of the places in the game, but I figure one needs to be created. Although, I'm not quite sure how to go about doing that. I've played the game, and could provide information for many of the places in necessary. The question is: Do you want one to be created? Moviebaby 23:17, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * If enough info can be added to a new page or set of new pages, and the end result is formatted correctly, I have no problems with it. By "location stub", are you referring to the location navbox-templates which lists the different places within the game? I can make one at some point, but I never played Vesperia and so I don't know the locations of the game. I also need to reformat the location templates for the other games which already have one since the 100% width thing really causes problems, either due to lots of word-wrapping on the default skin, or lots of unused space within the navboxes due to massive stretching on higher resolution screens when using the superior Monobook skin. Besides that, I am considering some fancy template mergers and switch case options to streamline template/category use and clean up the wiki infrastructure a little bit, but that's a side project for another time.


 * Just keep in mind that if a template for locations is made for this game or any others, the red links might lead some random users to create the missing pages just for the sake of having pages, even if there is practically nothing on those newly created pages. I would prefer to avoid letting such things happen, but then again it will happen regardless so someone just has to be vigilant about shutting such efforts down before they get rolling.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 05:45, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely, let's wait until more pages are filled out before one is created. And yes, I was referring to the navbox-template. When you are ready to create it, after we have more information, just let me know and I can give you a full list of all the locations in the game. I've been doing my best in attempting to make your job easier by monitoring the edits on the wiki. I'm proud to say someone created a page for Akzeriuth today, and we were able to edit and flesh it out to decency. There is hope for this wiki yet. Moviebaby 06:09, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Out of complete boredom, I'm going ahead and posting this for whenever the navbox-template for ToV locations is created. Just to let you know, the areas should probably be divided by continent, as there is no "Sylvarant/Tethe'alla from ToS" or "Kimlasca/Malkuth from TotA" way of doing this. Moviebaby 01:03, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Illyccia: Zaphias, Deidon Hold, Halure, Aspio, Capua Nor, Quoi Woods, Shaikos Ruins, Ehmead Hill, Blade Drifts of Zopheir, Heracles, and Tarqaron.
 * Tolbyccia: Capua Torim, Heliord, Dahngrest, Keiv Moc, Caer Bocram, Ghasfarost, and Manor of the Wicked.
 * Desier: Nordopolica, Mantaic, Yormgen, Weasand of Cados, Sands of Kogorh, Phaeroh's Crag, and Mt. Temza.
 * Hypionia: Aurnion, Egothor Forest, and Baction.
 * Weccea: Relewiese Hollow.
 * Yurzorea: Yumanju and Labyrinth of Memories.
 * Other: Atherum, Myorzo, Zaude, Erealumen Crystallands, and Nam Cobanda Isle.


 * Is there no way to separate the areas based on guild control or some other sort of political affiliation? Unless the continent names are relatively recognizable and not only listed as the savepoint location names as in Abyss, people won't know what these separations actually mean. Granted, we can't even separate locations based on country or continent or world for Destiny or Legendia or the like.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:41, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. Guilds don't generally control territory, and the only political affiliation is that of the universal Imperial Knights. However, unlike ToS and TotA, Vesperia mentions the names of the continents more often while traveling. It's been a while, and I don't have the game anymore, but I'm pretty sure the continent names appear when saving the game on the field map, such as "(direction) (continent)". Not to mention, I know for a fact that the Monster Book details field enemy locations by continent name, similar to the example above. This is the only Tales game I've played where I haven't had to research the continent names on my own, namely due to them being mentioned in the story. Moviebaby 17:20, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * The field map save names are what I meant about what happens in Abyss, as the only instance I can remember the continent names being used. Or maybe my memory might be slightly faulty and the info is also in a library book in Daath, like the info about the positions of the God-Generals and Cantabile. I remember that one user on the official Tales forums translated info from one of the side materials for Abyss and found the continent names listed there, and then she posted that info on the forums as if it was unknown... which it might as well have been, yeah. But Vesperia's use of the continent names seems to be more widespread, so that is a suitable means of separation. I will make the template soon.


 * By the way, I know I have the continent names linked for the Abyss template, but I intend those links to be redirected to the page relating to the world itself, so that the continents can be described in short paragraphs rather than whole pages. The important things are the cities and dungeons on those continents, so only these deserve their own pages as the party's adventures on a whole continent would only be duplicated info.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:21, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thinking this over, I think it might be best to separate locations as continents, countries, cities/villages/waypoints, and dungeons. For "countries", I would include historical ones like Fenrir/Odin/Thor on Aselia, Sedamyu/Gudora on Derris-Kharlan, and Ispania/Frank/Kether/Hod on Auldrant, though the info for the latter two would be merged with the existing page links for Ketherburg and Hod rather than be given their own articles. Quite a lot can be added about Ispanian history and culture to justify its own page, owing to Yulia's entire life story and the language that Abyss makes frequent use of, though I'm not quite sure how much can be added about Frankish history since it was an ally of Ispania and they have a shared story, like how Lanvaldear is already pretty much integrated into Kimlasca in all ways.


 * I am suggesting this because we have to consider how the templates for other games with relatively unified areas like Legendia should be organized as well. The Legacy encompasses literally the entire game in spite of the Shining Blue being large enough to also have three major world powers which are never visited in the game. I guess I forgot that Destiny does have continents though, and countries too, especially with Seinegald's colonialist expansion of influence into the Fitzgald continent. I am also reconsidering the way that the existing templates for Symphonia and Abyss are set up, since consistency is always one of my main goals, and I think that I could provide primary headers for continents/towns/waypoints/dungeons, then secondary headers for the countries or worlds which control them, if applicable. I will make a test case later to see if what I am seeing in my mind is really viable.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:01, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

In that regard, I'll separate the locations according to these new divisions:
 * Continents: Illyccia, Tolbyccia, Desier, Hypionia, Weccea, and Yurzorea.
 * Cities/Villages/Waypoints: Zaphias, Deidon Hold, Halure, Aspio, Capua Nor, Capua Torim, Heliord, Dahngrest, Nordopolica, Mantaic, Yormgen, Aurnion, Yumanju, Myorzo, and Nam Cobanda Isle.
 * Dungeons: Quoi Woods, Shaikos Ruins, Ehmead Hill, Blade Drifts of Zopheir, Heracles, Tarqaron, Weasand of Cados, Sands of Kogorh, Phaeroh's Crag (more of a place than a dungeon), Mt. Temza, Egothor Forest, Baction, Relewiese Hollow, Labyrinth of Memories, Atherum, Zaude, and Erealumen Crystallands.

Granted, when I listed them before, they were in order of how the player visits them, per continent. I just copied them in that order into the respective categories. If you need the order in which the player visits them, let me know and I will change it accordingly. I wasn't sure if you wanted to do it that way, alphabetically, etc. Anyway, I like the idea because we can make them all consistent this way. Moviebaby 01:57, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

So that template will be for Terca Lumireis, correct? Is this sort of what you are hoping to accomplish? (below) If so, I can re-do Terca Lumireis so that it follows an order of visitation, and I can also provide the necessary Auldrant information as well. For now, I will use Aselia as an example:

Aselia

 * Continents: These are never offically named, are they?
 * Countries: (Symphonia) Sylvarant and Tethe'alla. These are technically just the worlds, but they were previously warring countries. (Phantasia) Fenrir, Odin, and Thor.
 * Cities/villages/waypoints: (Symphonia-Sylvarant) Iselia, Triet, Izoold, Palmacosta, Asgard, Luin, Hima, Katz Village, Dirk's House, House of Salvation, Thoda Dock, Thoda Geyser, and Hakonesia Peak. (Symphonia-Tethe'alla) Meltokio, Sybak, Mizuho, Ozette, Flanoir, Altamira, Heimdall, Exire, Grand Tethe'alla Bridge, Altessa's House, South Easy Abbey, Hot Spring, and House of Guidance.
 * Similar to Phaeroh's Crag, Linkite Tree, Lake Umacy, Dragon's Nest, and Otherworldly Gate are neither waypoint nor dungeon, but places in general. Would they fall into an "Other" category? (Phantasia) Will have to do some more research.


 * Dungeons: (Symphonia-Sylvarant) Martel Temple, Iselia Forest, Sylvarant Base, Triet Ruins, Ossa Trail, Palmacosta Human Ranch, Balacruf Mausoleum, Asgard Human Ranch, Tower of Mana, Tower of Salvation, Remote Island Human Ranch, and Iselia Human Ranch. (Symphonia-Tethe'alla) Fooji Mountains, Meltokio Sewers, Gaoracchia Forest, Toize Valley Mine, Temple of Lightning, Tethe'alla Base, Dragon's Nest, Temple of Earth, Temple of Ice, Temple of Darkness, Ymir Forest, and Torent Forest. (Dawn of the New World) Lake Sinoa Cave, Underground Ruins, Dynasty Ruins, Camberto Caves, Cape Fortress, and Ginnungagap. (Phantasia) Will have to do some more research.

These locations are in order by division (continent, country, etc.), game, and visitation in the story. In cities/villages/waypoints, I began with cities and villages, then finished with waypoints. Let me know what you think. Moviebaby 18:51, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

I just noticed that Nova's Caravan is missing from the Symphonia location stub. Granted, there's no page for it, but it should probably be included in the above list. Moviebaby 00:00, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Auldrant
Moviebaby 02:37, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Continents: Rugnica, Aberria, Ispania (isn't this technically a peninsula?), Radessia, Padamiya, and Sylvana. Would Hod fall under this category?
 * Countries: Ispania, Franc (how the Timeline says it's spelled), Keter, Hod, Kimlasca (Lanvaldear), and Malkuth.
 * Cities/villages/waypoints: Baticul, Engeve, St. Binah, Kaitzur, Kaitzur Naval Port, Chesedonia, Akzeriuth, Yulia City, Belkend, Daath, Keterburg, Grand Chokmah, Sheridan, and Nam Cobanda Isle.
 * Dungeons: Tataroo Valley, Cheagle Woods, Fubras River, Choral Castle, Abandoned Factory, Zao Ruins, Deo Pass, Ortion Cavern, Aramis Spring, Theor Forest, Meggiora Highlands, Shurrey Hill, Inista Marsh, Absorption Gate, Mt. Zaleho, Mt. Roneal, Isle of Feres, Tower of Rem, Radiation Gate, Eldrant, Mushroom Road, and Abyss Replica Lab/Facility (I've seen it used both ways).
 * Other(?): Desert Oasis, Nebilim's Crag, as well as the Qliphoth and Sephiroth Trees.

What do you think? Moviebaby 00:19, May 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I already told you I had something in mind. This is not it. I intend to... no I will make it on my own time. I already said this. Give me two or so months or maybe half a year, because I really feel bad about the idea of these new pages being created. All my motivation decreases with every one of them, and I just want to get back to the list-based content that we have.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:32, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Another Thing...
My next project on this wiki are images. Are there certain sites that allow use of their images on this wiki? If properly cited, of course. There are so many pages that need images, and while the amount of information may be substantial, it just seems lacking. Let me know, and perhaps you can post the list somewhere so everyone will know. You may already have one and I just haven't found it yet. Moviebaby 03:44, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh my, that's a huge project to take care of. Other than the official websites managed by Namdai JP or Namco Hometek, like Tales Channel, the websites that are valid as image sources are our affiliate websites at Abyssal Chronicles and Tales Union, since they are known to draw their own images from the same official sources that we would prefer. The closer the images come from the root source, the better, so rips from the actual flash files of the JP websites are always best. Luckily, AC often rips those images from the flash files already. Things like magazine scans tend to be scattered all over the JP side of the internet before ending up on Abby or Shawn's websites, but they always attempt to get these images after they have been uploaded onto reliable JP blogs like that of Nore139 and other notables in the JP world. Basically, if you cite an image, state that it comes from either of our English Tales website hubs, and say where they got the images from if they have that info available on their news posts, so that the trail of information can be traced more easily. Make sure to link to those relevant news posts where the images do come from.


 * There will also be things like sprite rips from the games that can be found on the official Tales forums, but some users are -very- particular about being asked for permission to use them and be credited for that purpose. So you will have to ask for permission from the original uploaders to use anything on the TSF. Also note that anything that comes from fangames such as ACS and Cross Calibur will not be acceptable here due to being fanart.


 * As for screenshots of the games proper, try to get them from your own game as direct-feed images of at least good quality, and state that they are your content being uploaded to this wiki. I do not like to copy others' screenshots of stuff, as they are almost always going to be content that was taken without permission from unknown sources.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:41, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

All right, just wanted to know what was acceptable and what not. Anyway, you mentioned obtaining the screenshots from my own game. I would love to do this, but I'm not sure how. Could you elaborate? Moviebaby 17:28, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, I never tried getting direct-feed screenshots of my own for the games that I have, but the idea would be to connect your console or handheld to the computer using the composite video/audio cables, the red/yellow/white ones. You might need an additional device of some sort if your computer does not have ports available for those cables. Then you can use the computer monitor as the game screen, allowing you to printscreen the images being displayed so they would be put into the computer's clipboard. Paste into something like Paint and save. Alternatively, you can use emulators if you own the games, but I would avoid using emulators for anything that is not a handheld game since the quality and polygon count might not represent an accurate image of the game as rendered by the console due to computer specifications, unless you have a very high-end computer.


 * I believe the PSP already has an application that can be used to take screenshots while playing a game, and I know that one of our users uses this app for his screenshots of the RadiMai games. You might be able to ask him about it. Something similar might exist for the PS3 and 360, but I wouldn't know since I own none of these consoles.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:21, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hi there.
I guess my week long ban is up.

Listen, I'm sorry about what happened last week. I guess we both lost our cool. But I promise to follow the rules of this wiki and the manual of style.

As a sign of good faith, I have filled in whatever details were left out of the "Abandoned Factory" article we went over while I was gone.

I hope you can forgive me, for everyone's sake.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 18:58, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

TSF
You found that out huh?

Like Guy said when he was talking to Luke after the peace treaty was formed: "I was only looking for the truth."

Also, smart move on your end. I knew after I heard her voice that Judith didn't sound anything like a Megan Hollingshead character. It's partly why I joined TSF, to see who was who and to confirm about Janice being Alice. But not just that: about Tara Sands being Seles Wilder and Verius. Plus, a fact I found out too little too late: Janice was also Presea. I will never give up on that until it is confirmed, especially by them.

I know this is stuff you don't want to hear, but still it had to be said.

I may need your opinion about the Engeve Article. This is what I came up with for it:

Engeve is a village located in the continent of Rugnica and was the first village that Luke Fon Fabre and Tear Grants encountered.

Upon arrival, Luke and Tear found some commotion and Luke was accused of stealing food from the storehouses after he took an apple without paying. He was brought to Rose who had a visitor, Jade Curtiss of the Malkuth Military, who was investingating the storehouse robberies. Fortunatly Luke was pardoned by Fon Master Ion, who was investigating the matter and found hair from a Cheagle.

After the charges against Luke were dropped, he and Tear decided to rest at the inn before heading off to Cheagle Woods to find the real theives. There they meet Anise Tatlin, who was looking for Ion.

A little short, especially compared to the Abandoned Factory Article, but Luke and Tear really didn't stay that long. It might not meet up to the standards but that's why I came to you first, for any tweaks that could be made.

Let me know what you think of this.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 12:05, May 25, 2012 (UTC) (Aka Lloyd777)


 * Don't you dare to create new pages.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:42, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Oh come on. The rate we're going we'll have grandkids by the time we're done. And I nearly forgot.

First Visit
Engeve is a village located in the continent of Rugnica and was the first village that Luke Fon Fabre and Tear Grants encountered.

Upon arrival, Luke and Tear found some commotion and Luke was accused of stealing food from the storehouses after he took an apple without paying. He was brought to Rose who had a visitor, Jade Curtiss of the Malkuth Military, who was investingating the storehouse robberies. Fortunatly Luke was pardoned by Fon Master Ion, who was investigating the matter and found hair from a Cheagle.

After the charges against Luke were dropped, he and Tear decided to rest at the inn before heading off to Cheagle Woods to find the real theives. There they meet Anise Tatlin, who was looking for Ion.

Evacuation
Luke, Tear and Jade went to Engeve to get everyone to Chesedonia to save them when the Rugnica Plains were about to fall.

There isn't much there, and besides, you have to help. And you can't just brush me off like that.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 18:57, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Winxfan, if you want this information reviewed, I am always willing to help. The reason Mayu does not want more pages created is because we already have a full load on our hands as it is. It would be better to correct and add to existing pages first before creating new ones. However, I have no objections to a new page being created with a sufficient amount of information that is properly written. In that regard, you may submit the information to me, and I will add and edit the page whenever I get the opportunity. Moviebaby 20:30, May 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. The reason we would have grandchildren by the time we are able to create new pages properly is because you keep wanting to create pages improperly. Rather than that, we should focus on the awful pages which already exist, instead of adding more of them which divert our focus from our objectives. And with Namdai JP wanting to throw up as many games as possible every year due to the Tales Cycle, we simply have too much to work on. New pages do not help matters at all if they are as terribad as you are fond of creating, and the effort of making the pages on my own is actually easier for me than the effort of fixing the pages you make. Remember positive versus negative vs zero contributions? While the wiki software takes into account only absolute values, my sanity does not.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:15, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

That's because you work yourself to the ground. Wouldn't it be about time you took a break. Just leave Moviebaby in charge till you get back.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:28, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

A few more things
1. Have you considered adding skit lists to the wiki? I know that adding such lists would only put more on this wiki's huge demand, but maybe we could consider adding them if things ever get under control here (which probably won't happen for a while, tbh) A skit list would certainly help for some people, especially in games where many skits are hidden like in Legendia and Graces.

2. I started writing an enemy book page for Graces f, but I postponed that for now because I can't really tell if my sources are accurate (gamefaqs, the Japanese wiki, etc.) I was planning on getting another person's save file (which has 100% enemy book) and recording the entire book with my DVD recorder for a more faithful source, but I discovered that I need to buy Xploder in order to get the save to work, and I'm not really made of money right now. I'm not sure if there are any free alternatives. In my own file of the game, the enemy book is about 88% done, but it would still take me a very long time to complete, as I must go through the Zhonecage completely and beat bosses like Lambda Theos, which would be very hard even on Easy mode.

Anyway, I'll get that page done eventually, so you don't have to concern yourself with it. I just got a few questions about that: 1: Where do you get the romanized Japanese names (the names in italics below the Kanji)? 2: Are the stats of the enemies different between Graces and Graces f? Because I only have access to the Graces f stats, and IDK  where I could get the Graces Wii stats. The item drops/steals and locations that differ between both version may also present themselves as problems, but we'll cross that bridge once it comes. 3. Should I put stars in front of the names of the enemies that can drop Soul Orbs?

Like I said, you don't have to concern yourself with this page just yet. I would just like some tips so that it'll look as good as possible when it does eventually come out. And yes, I completely understand your wishes of not wanting to make new pages until our current pages are cleaned up. If there's anything specific you could use help on, lemme know. Plus, the more tips given, the better the pages will turn out.


 * Skit lists can come whenever other stuff gets done. For right now it should be grouped in the "do something else" category of things that need to be worked on. For the enemy book, the JP wiki sites are held to be the best possible resources unless you can manage to get hold of the official JP strategy guides, or even better, the game itself. Gamefaqs is also decent as a source of things. But these must always be credited. Don't bother making a video recording of anything - if you use the game as an actual source, that's fine since all list-type pages are already understood to use the games as the first and foremost resource.


 * But yes, stats for enemies -are- different in each version of the game, and among difficulty levels as well. That is why the stats should be based primarily on the normal difficulty of the Wii version, regardless of it being localized or not, because it is the original game. All PS3 version changes are to be displayed with the grayed out boxes. No, the allocation of gray boxes will not be done in reverse. Anything that can drop whatever can be dropped will have it listed as a possible "dropped item" in the proper column, so there will be no stars or anything.


 * The romaji is something that either you already know just by reading the kanji and kana because you know enough Japanese to do so, or you use sensible translation practices such as translating by compound and not by individual kanji. If in doubt, do not even attempt to invent nonsense translations like Winxfan did that one time. Just leave it blank.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:37, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Poll
Although I realize you are the most difficult person to reason with and collaborate on things, I am eager to know how many people are involved in this wiki. Granted, we pretty much know who edits, but as far as visitors who view content, we don't know, unless of course admins are able to view how many people visit the wiki daily. We have a lot of pages, which I believe makes us a pretty important wiki. We should advertise more often, but anyway, back to my point. I think it would be interesting to add a poll to the main page, see how many people participate, then consider making it a weekly project. It would allow us to get an idea of how many people visit the wiki, as well as create something fun and entertaining.

Example: What is your favorite mothership title in the Tales series? Tales of Phantasia Tales of Destiny Tales of Eternia Tales of Destiny 2 Tales of Symphonia Tales of Rebirth Tales of Legendia Tales of the Abyss Tales of Innocence Tales of Vesperia Tales of Hearts Tales of Graces Tales of Xillia Moviebaby 19:51, May 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * First of all, the polls were removed from the main page precisely because there are not enough users here to make such a thing valid. Besides, polls are very easily exploited, as users who are not logged in will be able to vote based on their IP address, which can be changed or reset just by turning their modems off and on. This is why polls on the official Tales forums are also highly discouraged these days, partially through my efforts, and now "poll" votes are only counted if the user is logged in and makes a post that specifically states in words that it is to be a vote for x option. This also helps to prevent duplicate accounts from flooding the poll with a vote for whatever it is, so that Luke will not win another "Best Loli" competition. Besides, the polls take up space on the main page which simply does not have room for anything, due to the "Wikia New Look" skin. And furthermore, I remember a poll that someone made on here which was supposed to be about the "favorite mascot" which, lo and behold, failed to mention the pets from unlocalized games.


 * Likewise, the "Featured Article" thing was also removed from the main page, because... who is going to vote on what articles are good enough to be featured on the main page? When we still had the featured article thing, there was a time when a single person made a vote for one article, then he changed the main page to unilaterally feature that one article a few days later just because it was "unanimous". Then it happened again and I shut down the entire thing. Besides, how many pages are actually good enough to be featured? If there is a new featured article every month, there is a limited number of "good" pages which makes this unsustainable in the long run.


 * Regarding Winxfan's use of a blog post as a source for voice actor names, I EVEN GAVE THE CORRECT LINK TO HIM! I told Winxfan what was wrong with the link that he is using, what our policy is regarding which sources to use, and all manner of overexplanations that were probably never even read by him. I don't recall if it's on his talk page or mine, or on one of my archives at this point, but I really don't care to dig it up at this point. He still pretends that I am not giving him exactly everything he needs, and he still uses the link I already rejected. I know another user even commented about it as well. It is a link to Funimation's website proper. USE THAT. Stop using that blog post which already copy/pastes the info from the primary source, use the primary source instead! Use the source that is closest to the root, and what is closer to the root than the root itself?


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:37, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, believe it or not, I agree with you on the polls and featured articles. As for Winxfan, as much as this may surprise you, he is following my writing style, using it as an example when he submits information to me. HE IS IMPROVING... hopefully. I told him that I would not ignore information. If it's a sufficient amount, I will clean it up and make use of it. If not, it can sit on my talk page until we have gathered some more. I didn't realize there was already a page for Keterburg, so I was able to expand the article today. As for the voice acting thing he always rants about, I'm not overly zealous about such information, as it's nearly impossible to verify the majority of the time. Maybe if I tell him what you just told me, it'll get through.

On other note, you must not live in the United States? Your activity times make me wonder if you live over seas or something. Wherever you're from, your English is proficient. Anyway, sorry for the ranting lately. Although, I can imagine it merely rolled off you. I'm the same way. I say a lot of things, then let things roll off me as well. Honestly, I really don't care. I'm really trying to get a hang of this wiki. Compared to others, we have a great wiki. Hopefully, no more mistakes from me. I know I've had my uh-ohs with images, but I recently obtained a type of emulator that could aid in acquiring some screenshots of my own, from the games and animations. Oh, and one more thing. I visited the Final Fantasy Wiki today and asked if they would consider a joint affiliation with us. Turns out, they already have us listed on their main page. Would it be possible to list them on ours as well? I sort of committed to it. Moviebaby 08:45, May 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I used to live in the US, but I moved to the other side of the big pond just last year and I'm now living and working in a country that has... difficulties with maintaining a steady internet connection and the like. I guess that's putting it lightly though. But yeah, my edit times prevent me from keeping an eye on this place when I'm asleep or at work, or when my internet decides to throw up, like this morning, incidentally.


 * On affiliations, I don't really mind who you contact as long as it becomes a mutual thing. As far as wiki sites are concerned, we are already affiliated with Keroro Wiki, as a result of Namco Tales Studio's direct involvement in creating Keroro RPG. The arte and title pages on that site come from us, since we could not display such things here due to this being a different series. Just add the wiki name/link on the main page in the affiliates section when a mutual agreement has been reached, since you are apparently speaking on behalf of the wiki anyway. As for the "other gaming wikis" thing at the bottom of the page, that's just to show related wiki sites, through which I chose to show franchises which are the source of cameos in the Tales series or vice versa, plus Star Ocean due to the history of Wolfteam's work on Tale Phantasia before and after Namco got their grubby hands on it. You can try to get affiliations with these sites as well, but I'm bashful about asking them when Aselia really just does not compare to what things most of these other sites have to offer.


 * Just keep in mind that Tales is indeed a niche series, and attempts to "advertise" the wiki really aren't a critical allocation of effort since everyone who cares enough about Tales already knows about Aselia, and those who don't would use Wikipedia or GameFAQs first and foremost anyway. And those who -really- love Tales would end up on the various JP wiki sites as well. That's why I don't advertise it other than my link to the site in my signature on the official forums, and the occasional self-plug when the topic is relevant. I'd like to have more quality contributions, but blatant advertisements of any site tend to draw the troublemakers and common rabble. And frankly, I would rather focus on tidying up this small corner of the internet in an autonomous way, rather than try to expand our influence since it would only go in reverse.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:20, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Mayu, I kinda lost the link you gave me about the dub cast for ToV: The First Strike. Could you repost it for me?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:28, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

I really think the Main Page could use plastic surgery
One of your subadmins already set me straight by sending me here. I hope you'll look at the edit in the history of the main page that I did and agree that it would do pretty well as the new face of the wiki!