User talk:Arosia

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Aselia! Thanks for your edit to the God Generals page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Mayu Miyuki (Talk) 00:26, 2011 May 31

You're very welcome.
I try. Swords are done, Spinners are done, Plates, Cloaks, Bandannas, Ribbons, Gauntlets, Mittens, they're done too.

Still working on Monsters and Accessories. I'm on Chapter 8 and I beat the Katz treasure Quest. Haven't gone to the Martel Temple yet.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 04:16, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

I just wish...
I wish Mayu was as nice as you. I tried to help with the Spider and Chrpee family artes ad skills and she tells me to leave. I also found out Purger evolves into itself when it reaches Level 40. But it's yet to be known if it's true for the other 7 artificial summon spirits. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:23, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Also I found out Thinker evolves into itself at level 40 as well. Which means it is true for the other artificial Summon Spirits as well. And I found out that Raven evolves into Izimbra at level 30 and Sea Wyvern evolves into Fire Drake at Level 30 too And Base stats of Grave Digger and Black Wolf. But you probably already saw that from the Recent Changes section.

Hmmm... I was thinking about adding a "Tales of Xillia" portion to the Efreet, Undine, Sylph and Gnome articles since they were in those games, along with Volt and (I'm not sure of this) Celsius, but what do we really know about them other than their physical forms?

Anyway, thanks for understanding. If you have an Email account, could you do me a favor? Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:00, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Awesome. I need you to go to [Tarasands.com] and ask her if she was Seles Wilder and Verius in ToS:DotNW and if Janice Kawaye was there as Alice and Presea. Can you do that? Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 20:25, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Nice. I have the info, but I need it verified by her. Send a copy of her resonse to me and another to Mayu.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:35, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Two things
1. Did you send that e-mail to Tara yet?

2. Do you know anything about the Sacred Beast Fenia?

Just wondering.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:28, April 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Let me stop you right now Winxfan. I told you before to stop making pages, but like everything else I tell you, you happily ignore it and do precisely what I tell you not to do. That is part of why your page for Fenia was deleted, aside from failing to follow our formatting requirements for characters as stated on the Manual of Style. Oh, and the other recent edits that you made to different pages also had to be fixed by me because you also failed to follow the Manual of Style. When will you learn, if ever?


 * Now if you really want to have a page for Fenia... guess what, I will be the one to do it, on my own time, when I have the interest to make the page, unless someone else is willing and able to make a fully fleshed out essay on the character and her role in Tales of Rebirth before I decide to do so, perhaps years from now. Two sentences is hardly enough to explain her significance in spite of what you seem to believe, and since you are incapable of providing more on your own, maybe you should stop pressuring others to do your work for you. I will do the work myself, with my own efforts, and I do not want you to add to my workload by giving me more things to fix. And guess what? I have priorities. Unfortunately, fixing the problems you cause has to override them every day, meaning I can never get to my priorities when I -do- experience the good graces of having time to work on anything at all.


 * This thing with the voice actors is also something that you seem to be passing off to someone else just because you will continue to refuse to believe that your assumptions are only assumptions, especially through the way you worded your request to this user here. Just accept that the names will remain listed as uncredited and unknown until first-party sources can be cited, and I don't trust the concept of having our own users start email conversations which certainly can be doctored to fit what you believe to be true. That, more than anything, is why first-party sources are required, not third-party independent research and biased interpretation. The fact that you are trying to drag someone else down with you into your schemes because I refused to take part in them just shows your own refusal to accept anything I keep trying to tell you. And yet you still think you are being treated unfairly, when I think I am being far more tolerant of your mischief than you ever deserved.


 * To Moviebaby, I am sorry to hijack your userpage like this, but Winxfan doesn't even know how to keep conversations confined to a single page so that problems like this are archived properly without having to switch back and forth between pages just to see replies. I would like to have posted this on Winxfan's page, but it would mean that I must start yet another section on her page since it is disjointed from past conversations, and I know that she is bound to reply on my user talk page with a new section as well. In fact, I doubt she read my most recent reply on the latest section she created on my talk page, one which expresses exactly how I feel about this lack of concern from Winxfan over everything I tell her, because she ignores everything I say without fail every time, and I merely expect it to continue since she refuses to leave, as if she wants me to abuse the powers I have for the sole purpose of defeating vandals and bots. But no, that's giving her too much credit, I think. Do what you wish for yourself, provided that you follow our requirements as established in the Manual of Style, and that you do not create pages with such minimal content such that they might as well not exist anyway, like this most recent page for Fenia which I had to delete for the second time. I am reconsidering my inaction of leaving the Magnar page undeleted as well for the same reason. If full essays cannot be created, then the pages are better off not existing while focus is granted towards the existing pages which are not yet full essays, so that they can be un-stubbed and finally be appreciated as properly completed articles on this wiki.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:10, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry Winxfan, apparently it is not such a good idea. Not to mention, I'm very busy and do not have a whole lot of time to commit to these projects which seem to be geared more toward your own interest.

Please listen to Mayu. I believe she knows what is best. Moviebaby 03:20, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Edit summaries
''>I have no idea why the wiki is cutting my Edit Summaries. Anyone...?''


 * The edit summaries have a character limit. Don't try to fit a large explanation because it will be cut off. Although if you use the Monobook skin which is the skin that this wiki is designed for, the summary box will prevent you from typing more once you hit the text limit. If the awful "new look" skin is allowing you to type more, then it's merely another flaw in the skin design which gives another reason to change it, though I can only suggest that people do so since Wikia Central already stealthily removed the ability of admins to set which skin would be the default. But even if the "new look" is the default, we will not and do not support that skin, so everything is best viewed on Monobook to get rid of the obnoxious width limitations and social media applets and all of those other unnecessary frills which do get in the way of the actual wiki content. You can change the skin through your user preferences - the Monobook skil is basically the same look as classic Wikipedia until they changed their skin too.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:00, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

All right, thanks! Moviebaby 16:36, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Heya, on the weapon thing in the fighting style sections
I think that stuff is best placed in the trivia section. I agree that it is not fighting style material, so I always opposed having them where they are on the pages, but another user really wants these things to be listed. We might as well see it as trivia since it can be useful info to some extent.

On the specifics of fighting style, I want those sections to describe the way they fight or otherwise contribute to battles, which is why I prefer to avoid quantitative lists of artes. Examples are okay to have, but it should not become a reiteration of a char's entire movelist... though exceptions are made when it comes to enemies which have no arte lists anyway. Artes should not be described in detail if pages for those artes already exist unless it is for the sake of context, and this is why I usually want to see mystic arte info removed since those pages devoted to the mystic artes usually have the same info already. Again, mystic artes can be used as examples to show that a character fights in a certain way, which is why they don't really have to be purged from pages. It's just that any detailed description of the artes belongs elsewhere, and yet this is usually what the random editors tend to add into the pages, as if a mystic arte defines a char's fighting style rather than the other way around as it should be. This idea is rather prevalent around the official Tales forums, and that's what led to my comment about usually deleting mystic arte info.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:44, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see. So sorry I went ahead and removed the information concerning the weapons. However, I pretty much remember the contents, and can add them to the appropriate Trivia sections if you need me to. As for the fighting style sections, most are a mess, and while I am trying to clean them up, I wasn't entirely sure on how they are specifically supposed to be set up, so thank you for cleaning that up for me. I will continue to work on them without resorting to providing numerous examples of their artes. Feel free to fix anything I may have completely screwed up. Again, sorry. Moviebaby 07:57, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hey
I'm back.

I see you redone my thing about the Abandoned Factory. It's ok. It was kinda detailed. Anyway, I am back and ready to help in any way I can.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:41, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

About the info I posted on the Gelda Nebilim article
The reference I placed at the bottom of the page is a timelime that talks about many facts about the game. Nebilim was born at ND 1996 and dies at ND 1998 because of Jade's fonic arte as you may know. Tales of the Abyss is a game with such a interesting backstory that simply couldn't be added to the game itself. I discused that topic a while ago with Mayu. You can check the talk page from Yulia Jue since the explanation is there. If you read the page about Yulia you can notice that it cantains a lot of information that doesn't appears in the game. --Juan Ma 21:02, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

I assumed it was most likely listed in that timeline, but thank you for clarifying. Moviebaby 21:06, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

No problem at all Juan Ma 21:29, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again
It would be better if it came from you.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:21, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Undine and St. Binah
I was gonna talk about how different Legretta's eyes were in color, but that was stupid. So I come to talk about something else:

First, for Undine, why did Mayu use the Undine art from Vesperia instead of Symphonia for her article's infobox? The same said for Volt and Sylph. Shouldn't the summon spirits all have pics from the same game in their infoboxes?

Also, my St. Binah info. Tell me what you think:

St. Binah is a village in Rugnica in Tales of the Abyss

First arrival
After escaping from the Tartarus, Luke Fon Fabre along with Tear Grants, Jade Curtiss, Guy Cecil and Fon Master Ion head there, only to find the place occupied by Oracle Knights. They sneak in thanks to Rose, who owed them for solving the store house crimes in Engeve.

Once inside, they meet Field Marshal McGovern and his son Glenn McGovern, who received a letter from Anise Tatlin saying she was going ahead to Kaitzur. Before leaving they catch a glimpse of five of the six God Generals: Arietta the wild, who heard from the Ligers about the death of the Queen, Largo the Black Lion, who they meet on the Tartarus, Synch the Tempest, Legretta the Quick and Dist the Reaper (who refers to himself as Dist the Rose). After the knights move out, Luke and the others leave.

Evacuation
After hearing that St. Binah would fall, Luke and Tear return to prevent that from happening along with Anise, Jade, Guy and Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear. They see that St. Binah was slowly sinking, but were delayed by Dist and his Kaiser Dist RX. They return with the Albiore II just in time to evacuate everyone and watch as St. Binah slowly falls into the Qliphoth.

I know it needs work but I'm working from memory.

Chesedonia is a big one. Lots of stuff happens there.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:24, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

We always use the most recent, updated images of anything. Since Vesperia is newer than Symphonia, its artwork takes priority. As for the St. Binah information, I will clean it up and see if it is a sufficient amount of information to create a page. Moviebaby 02:46, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

That would explain it. But if Vesperia is the newest, why not use the pics of Efreet and... Never mind I answered my own question.

There was sidequest stuff but that was walkthrough material which is not allowed: the St. Binah Giant Tree origin and the Noir Fanclub bit where this Ayn guy gives 200 Gald to pay his dues and after that Tear confronts him about the actual price: 1000 gald so he pays them 800 gald to compensate.

Fubras River was interesting but I'll save that for when the St. Binah thing is done.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 03:45, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

The sidequest information is not needed. I just completed the page, and it now has plenty. It does, however, need an image. Anyway, feel free to provide me with more information for the sake of creating pages and/or adding to existing ones. I begin remembering things as I'm reading and editing other's writings.Moviebaby 04:06, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I see you used most of my info, and the pic for Grand Chokmah looks awesome.

BTW, I noticed a location missing in the template: Fubras River, which I believe is in Malkuth, on the continent of Rugnica.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 04:08, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, you're right, but we're getting ready to re-do those templates anyway. Soon, we should have location templates for more than just Symphonia and Abyss. Moviebaby 04:13, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

That's good. BTW, did you know that the Temple of Earth article didn't have a Symphonia Location Template for it? I had to add that.

I know you guys are busy with the thing but here it goes:

Fubras River:

Fubras River is a river located in the Rugnica Plains.

It is here that Jade Curtis teaches Luke fon Fabre about the benefits of Fields of Fonons and what kind of effect they have on Artes.

Near the exit Luke, Jade, Tear Grants, Guy Cecil and Fon Master Ion are confronted by Arietta and her friends the Ligers, who have sworn revenge against Luke and his friends for killing her mother, the Liger Queen. Just as she was about to kill them, an earthquake hit and a purple gas gushed out from the ground. Thinking fast, Tear used the second of Yulia Jue's hymns, Force Field to keep them safe from the gas, which was called Miasma.

Jade was about to kill Arietta but Luke stopped him and they soon left.

That's pretty much it, unless you count the part where Jade finds another stone which unlocks one of his Arcane Artes, which you won't.

Anyway, I'll send the info and you work on it from there.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:21, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, here is the new Fubras River page. Moviebaby 18:45, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

And thank you for making it. Next up is Kaitzur, it's Naval Port, Choral Castle and Theor Forest and that'll be Rugnica done. But Shouldn't Kaitzur be neutral territory as there are both Kimlascan and Malkuth soldiers there, and it's a border? And then theres Deo Pass, which is North of Kaitzur. The way I see it any areas North of Kaitzur are Malkuth territory and any areas South of there are Kimlascan territory. Complicated but still.

Anyway, here's Kaitzur: Kaitzur is a fortress that is stationed on the border of Rugnica. The north end is controlled by Malkuth Soldiers and the south end is Kimlascan territory.

Here, Luke fon Fabre and the others catch up to Anise Tatlin, which Guy Cecil meets for the very first time, who couldn't get through without a passport. Suddenly they are attacked by the sixth God General, Asch the Bloody, but are saved by none other than Van Grants, Tear Grants' brother. Luke was happy to see him again and decides to explain the situation.

He also gives them passports to cross the border.

Upon returning to Kaitzur to stop the war between the two kingdoms, Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear and her party try to stop Jozette Cecille and her troops only to be too late.

That's all I remember. Sorry.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 21:12, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Kaitzur is nuetral territory. As I said before, those location templates will be re-done here soon. Anyway, I created the page and added a sufficient amount of information. Moviebaby 22:03, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Cool. It's nice we're collaberating on this.

Edit: You want info on the Kaitzur Naval Port?

The Kaitzur Naval Port is a port that is south of Kaitsur and west of Choral Castle.

Upon Arrival, Luke fon Fabre, Tear Grants, Guy Cecil, Jade Curtiss, Anise Tatlin and Fon Master Ion find the place under attack by Arietta the Wild. She kidnapped the engineer who could fix the ship under orders from Asch and fled to Choral Castle, and demanding that Luke and Ion come there.

Van Grants orderd Luke and the others to stay and went to get help, but Luke decided to go anyway.

After savng the Chief they board the Katsbert Ferry and head to Chesedonia.

During the goodwill mission to Akzeriuth, Luke and the others, along with Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear stop here before heading off.

Darn Natalia has a ridiculously long name.

And could you add a little more to the whole Keterburg article. Like this:

Arrival
Upon arriving in Keterburg, everyone but Jade were amazed at how beautiful the city was.

When they entered the Casino Guy Cecil explained a little about how popular it was. Anise Tatlin wanted to earn some easy money but was denied chps since minors weren't allowed in the casino and she was a minor.

Before Luke fon Fabre and his friends saw the Governor, Anise spotted a house and wanted to marry whoever owned it. Jade explained that the manor belonged to Emperor Peony IX which made Anise happy. Guy explained that Peony was not born in Grand Chokmah, but in Keterburg due to a power struggle.

Uopn arrival at the Governor's house, Governor Nephry was releved to see that Jade, her brother (which shocked everyone) was alive, and offered her help to repair the Tartarus. As everyone left, she told Luke to see her later.

That night she explained how her brother invented Fomicry and about the woman who changed his life: Gelda Nebilim, who was unintentonally killed by Jade when he was a boy.

Jade confronted Luke about the matter saying it was a sin he could never erase.

Dist the Idiot
The group came back after retrieving the Flight Stone from Daath at the somewhat idiotic request from Dist the Reaper, who sent them the invitation to keep them away from Daath, and nearly froze to death. Nephry wanted Jade to be nice to Dist since the three of them were friends since childhood, and freezing to death was punishment enough for him. In the hotel room where Dist was sleeping Jade "interrogated" Dist and when he got the information, he came out as if nothing happened between them. Dist was then taken into custody by the Malkuth Military.

The Night Before
Luke and Jade Talked.

The last part needs work and I don't know if there was any more to that. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:02, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Winxfan. Regardless of Mayu's words, I do not believe in information being wasted. I would like to say let's just wait until she creates the pages herself, but that will probably never happen. This wiki isn't going to expand because of Mayu; it's going to expand because of people wanting to put in the effort. Granted, she used to contribute a lot to this wiki, but she has lost her willpower to do so anymore. This is not a bad wiki. We have more content than a majority of wikis, a lot of it accurate and well-written. So, unlike her, I choose not to give up on this wiki. Her job can remain edit-stalking and blowing up people's talk pages who don't listen to her.

Anyway, back to the information. There is one thing I agree with Mayu about: working on existing pages. I know it seems more like a chore than anything else, but if we could really focus on some of our content that we already have, we would be in pretty good shape. Unlike her, I will not ignore your contributions. I will work on them myself and expand this wiki. If I create a page with a sufficient amount of information, adhering to the Manual of Style, and completely accurate, then she would be considered the vandal in deleting it. An admin's powers are only so much as the community allows. Her job is to monitor this wiki for vandalism, bots, and so on. However, this wiki does need work on existing pages. I will do my best if you do your best, Winxfan. This wiki also needs advertising. Let's get it going again. I believe a lot of people use it, but don't bother to edit it. We should consider polls and such, but that's a whole other issue.

Moviebaby 18:13, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. We should consider the possibility. Nice work on Kaitzur Naval Port by the way. Mayu's job is rough.

What did you think of the Keterburg info I put up? Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 21:15, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Keterburg needs a lot more information. I would expand it myself, but I would have to refresh my memory on everything that occurs there. In other words, it may require a little time before it's created. In the meantime, feel free to work on expanding existing pages or providing information for a page that doesn't require a lot, such as Choral Castle. Moviebaby 21:23, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

I've been there so I'll put in the plot info only. No Sword Dancer #1 and no Kings Portrait.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:34, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Image Uploads
I told you just recently that image uploads should only come from the source or one of our affiliates, and not from random blogs. This includes screenshots from the games, and by extension, from the various anime series as well. These screenshots are the property of the person who uploaded them to their own blog, and so everything that you are using is automatically under copyright violation. Screenshots must always be captured with your own resources and stated to be uploaded under CC-BY-SA. Anything that is not captured by you is the property of the person that did capture it, even if they did capture it from their own games/anime episodes. The fact that you are getting the images from a blog at all should have been a blatant red flag to you who should know better than this already. This has the potential to be such a legal tie-up, and I am so fatigued from attending an important event today that I do not have the interest to delete every image and undo every relevant edit. So please, do it yourself, and I will delete the images in the morning tomorrow.

And finally, regarding spellings that are used on the timeline that you are already referencing, do note that it is a translation of material that is written in Japanese, and so translation differences will always exist in things which do not have any official localization. One other translation of the timeline suggested that Freyr Albert's name is Flail Albert. In other words, people can invent whatever names they want, and we will not be obliged to use them or anything else that is invented by the fan translation community. I chose to use "Frank" because it makes sense to me, with the absence of a localized spelling. That's really all there is to it, but it's open to community input as to if it should be changed or not, again in the absence of a localized spelling. As soon as some localization of the name does occur, that is what will be used regardless of what it is.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:49, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I have reverted some of the edits for you. You're welcome. --Kiyoshiro 17:14, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I was under the impression it wasn't a blog, and that by citing them there was no copyright violation, as it is not stated anywhere on their page. I didn't think that maybe those images could be theirs, in which case I would've asked persmission, but the website hasn't been updated in nearly three years, and there is no contact information listed. I'll remove the remaining pictures, although I see Kiyoshiro has already taken the liberty of removing the majority of them for me.

Back to the translation, I do prefer Frank, as it is more localized. I assumed the timeline was entirely accurate, but did not account for it having been traslated. Anyway, the templates should be created that way, yes? Order of visitation in the story, with cities and villages first, followed by waypoints? Our other options are alphabetically (eww), or some other form of order based on importance. Let me know. Moviebaby 17:41, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I will follow your advice and work together with you regarding of the new articles I want to create, and we will star with Deo Pass

Deo Pass was a dungeon that served as a mountain path in Tales of the Abyss destroyed by the power of Luke fon Fabre's hyperresonance.

Geography
Deo Pass is located on the Rugnica continent, just northeast from Kaitzur Naval Port. It was built wide enough to accommodate carriages, but recently rock slides have made it nearly impassable.

En route for Akzeriuth
The party needs to cross the Deo Pass to get to Akzeriuth. When they arrived, Luke states that they shouldn't have wasted time in the desert because he is the ambassador and Ion wasn’t needed. That provokes fury among the rest of the group, especially Anise.

On the way through the Deo Pass, Legretta from the Six God-Generals attacked us. However it was seen as she came to talk to Tear into going with her by. She states that the world is mad because it’s completely ruled by the Score. Since Legretta couldn’t change the party’s view point regarding about the Score, she was forced to stop them by force. After the fighting finishes Legretta says to Tear to get away from that reject (Luke). Because of that Jade realized that the Oracle Knights have broken the ban on Fomicry and Ion's knowledge of it. After that Legretta quickly escapes leaving Jade Curtiss really angry about her statement. After discussing, the group decides to continue the towards Akzeriuth.

Note: for the geography info I used the description on the world map and for the history I mainly used the info on the synopsis. I published that article 3 days ago but Mayu Miyuki deleted it. Juan Ma 20:33, May 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you people stop trying to make new pages for the sake of having new pages? Moviebaby, stop encouraging them. You other two, instead of making new pages, contribute to existing ones by fleshing them out. The pages all three of you created in the past few days could be three times the length each, and this is with full detail involved in explaining -everything- that happens that is central to the plot. And if I ever have the time or interest to make the pages, I would scrap all of your content entirely and write it completely from scratch. I was forced to do precisely this many times before, though I don't want to remember how often, but it happens everytime Winxfan and similar users are involved. Juan Ma, do not group yourself with Winxfan by doing what he does.


 * As I said before, it is far easier for me to make a new page with my own effort, than it is to fix a page created with someone else's anti-effort AND enhance it with my own effort. Instead of three steps forward, it's five steps backwards and six steps forward. Double effort for the one who fixes the pages. So let the pages stay nonexistent in the first place, until such a time that it will be created by myself, with my own effort, on my own time! And that will be practically never precisely because of the time I must spend giving these explanations which are ignored every time. Fix the pages that need fixing, so they can move forward at a modest pace, instead of moving backwards dramatically with each anti-edit and forcing someone else to fix all of your errors instead of fixing the errors on other pages! I mean, look at how little info there is for people like Chelsea or Max or the entire Hearts cast. Then look at the effort you are diverting away from fixing them by creating more new pages.


 * As I say so often, I would rather have red links. THIS is why I do not want to make templates for the other games anytime soon. If I do so, that might be seen as a free pass by Winxfan and similar users to make more garbage pages. I'd sooner delete the Abyss template and stop the horrendous evil that is spreading, but it is part of our infrastructure. Remember that the point of the templates is NOT to show what pages need to be created. The point of the templates is to provide a means of page categorization to maintain sound infrastructure on this wiki, and to provide quick-access links to the pages which do already exist. Page categorization using templates instead of manual input is something none of you are really focused on because it is an aspect of the "big picture" that I must deal with.


 * Do not create more pages. Focus on the ones which need to be fleshed out with full detail. The pages you created in the past few days are now among them. Good job guys.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:26, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

When it comes to creating the pages, no one wants to read articles that explain every detail, going from "Blah Blah said this" to "Blah Blah said that". I omit such things when they write that way, and merely include the necessary points and plot twists. I cleaned up their writing and expanded their information. While I agree with you that red links are better than a small amount of obvious information, I don't believe these pages to be of that sort. Yes, they can be expanded more, but sentences stating every little fact is not going to happen. I don't see these pages as more work; I see them as progress to that final appeal. There are plenty other pages on this wiki which need editing and expanding, but these pages merely need expanding at the very least. For the time being, I feel as if it's a sufficient amount of information, clean and to the point. I am so confused as to how it's a step back, when there was nothing there to begin with, and you can't make the "red link is better than a small amount of obvious information" in this regard.

You said that these pages would have to be completely redone when you write them. When is that going to be? You monitor the recent changes on this wiki, but never add content yourself. I realize it's difficult having to explain the Manual of Style and other such things to users who don't follow the rules, but they are lacking good examples. I have never seen you create a page on here. If I did, I may know more of what you're trying to get across. This wiki is not expanding like it should be, and everyone is at fault. While I try to clean sloppy pages, I also try to add accurate content in the process. I think people are tired of red links. I know I am. Maybe if you could edit and expand existing pages more often, others would follow suit. I realize that those pages take priority, but the amount of pages missing is an embarassment as well. I would like to say the reason you don't create new pages is because you're busy focusing on existing ones, but you don't even do that. You gripe on user's pages, and they do not listen to you. They don't listen to you because you fail to follow your own priorities.

Moviebaby 00:52, May 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I could provide excuses for not working on these things on my own, but that's all they would be, mere excuses. Imagine anything you want as my reasons, since I'm not about to blog about it. The root of the matter is that I have no motivation anymore. And I feel that anything that warrants effort on my part will hinder that recovery of my motivation. So at this point I am nothing but a giant talking head with an equally giant headache. It's not something that I could deny.


 * But you don't see me creating new pages precisely because I do not want to have new pages created. But for cleaning up pages, if I can avoid it, I take that option freely. I spent too much time on this wiki that it cuts into my time for other things, and at this point I would rather do nothing on the wiki. But I still have responsibilities here, which involve edit-stalking everything. That's what I do. I'd probably say more but I have to leave for something, like now. (Mayu Miyuki)

Well, outside of my tutoring job, which I do Monday through Friday, I have a lot of free time in the summer because I'm not taking classes. I am prepared to commit to this wiki because I love the Tales series, and this wiki definately has potential. I also love writing and editing, which keeps me sharp at my job in real life, and is why it doesn't bother me when people submit their information to me before creating a page. If this wiki takes too much time away from you, then why are you still admin? Why haven't you considered giving up the position or assigning moderators? I'm really not sure how all that works on a wiki. I understand it's hard to abandon responsibilities, but if you are just not that into it anymore, why don't you trust others to help out? Moviebaby 04:15, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

I just don't get it.
The English Dubbed version of the OVA Tales of Vesperia: The First Strike is coming to DVD, there's an English Dub cast, so why can't we add that info to the sum of the Vesperia characters that were in it like Estelle, Raven, and Rita. We even have an article on Chasta Aiheap and we can't put in her english va. Was the source I got not good enough?

In case you're wondering, this was my source: Tales of Vesperia Cast Announcement

Is it not official enough? Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:39, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I can't get the page to load, but who told you that you couldn't add the information? Moviebaby 22:48, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Mayu did. She said it didn't come from an Official Source.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 03:07, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not entirely sure what she believes to be an "official source", but you will have to fight with her on that. Moviebaby 03:21, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Choral Castle
I kinda jumped the gun on this one. Here's the info on Choral Castle: Choral Castle is a castle located on the south-eastern side of the Rugnica continent in Tales of the Abyss.

Geography
Choral Castle is Kimlasca's territory, located on Rugnica south of Kaitzur and east of the Kaitzur Naval Port. It is an old castle.

History
Before the war began, this was the summer home of Duke Fabre. It had been abandoned after the war started and the Duke and his family never came back since.

Luke fon Fabre and his companions came here to rescue the Cheif Engineer, who was captured by Arietta the wild.

Once they got further inside they find a strange fontech machine. Jade Curtiss had his suspicions about the device. Suddenly, something startled Anise Tatlin causing her to jump onto Guy Cecil, who didn't notice until he saw her on his back, which triggered his gynophobia. Jade suggested it was more than just a normal reaction. Guy explained that he was missing a part of his memory: when his family was killed.

Once they got to the roof of the castle, Arietta ambushed Luke and his companions by having her friend, the flying monster Hraesvelgr, attack and abduct Luke and Ion. She got Luke and Anise instead. She ordered Hraesvelgr to release Anise but gave Luke to Dist the Reaper.

Luke was restrained on the fontech machine in the basement. Dist and Sync managed to open up all of his fonslots and got the information he needed. Guy came in to rescue Luke and he got a fondisc from Sync, whom he fought. During the struggle, Guy managed to remove his mask and took a good look at his face. He got distracted when the others came to Luke's aid, giving him the opportunity to escape after he put his mask back on. After the commotion, Luke and the others went back to the roof.

Once they got up there, he used Mieu's fire to ambush the Hraesvelgr, which made Arietta mad, so they had no choice but to fight her for the Chief.

After the battle, Jade was about to kill her when Van Grants intervined and took Arietta under custody after Luke and the others did not go to the ship like he ordered them too.

Should've come to you first. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:15, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you should have, but I must say your writing has become much better. There wasn't a whole lot that I had to fix, just required some expansion. However, please be sure to write in present-tense as opposed to past-tense, which is how you've been writing. An example of past-tense: "Luke and his companions came here to..." An example of present-tense: "Luke and his companions come here to..." Get it? And try to use more elaborate words in your writing, such and "journey" instead of "come". Nonethless, you are improving. All you needed were some good examples, something you never received from Mayu. Moviebaby 23:48, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. And sorry about that. Oh, almost forgot that a lot of stuff happened in Daath: Rescuing Natalia, Guy remembing how his family died, Meeting Anise again, Anise betraying the group, Arietta getting mad at Anise for killing Ion, Anise explaining her actions (I think I cried when I saw that part)

Not to mention Tear learning Judgment during a Eulogy dedicated to Ion.

And about the timeline, Since the two halves of Luke became one whole again wouldn't that make Luke 20 chronologically?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 03:06, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ages are a confusing topic when it comes to Abyss. I prefer to leave it alone, but I believe that's correct. Moviebaby 03:24, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

What do you think of my Graces template?
Any advice or tips can help. I don't know if there's some kind of order or pattern necessary, but here's my take. I'm sure there's something I might've missed.

(MabiEditor)

It looks great, good job. We are currently attempting to figure out a system for the location templates. I've never played Graces, but that is divided by country, correct? Not all games can be consistent with that method of division, but then again, not all games can be consistent with continent method of division either. In other words, we're just playing around with world templates right now until we can come to final conclusion. However, yours looks very organized. I see you separated cities/villages/waypoints and dungeons. Very good. Are these locations listed in order of visitation in the story? To me, that is the most ideal order system. Anyway, I will keep this world template information here on my talk page for whenever we decide to move the plan forward. Thank you for your hard work. Moviebaby 00:11, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Timeline.
Wow. So much info, so little time.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 03:00, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Xillia Spirits and Katsberg Ferry
What do we know about the Xillia version of the four elemental spirits?

Also Katsberg Ferry:

Katsberg Ferry is a ship used for transporting people and objects over the sea in Tales of the Abyss

To Chesedonia
Luke fon Fabre and his friends depart from the Kaitzur Naval Port after saving the Chief Engineer from Arietta.

He and Tear Grants discuss about fonons and a while later, he has a talk with her brother Van Grants.

Returning Home
After escaping from Sync and the Oracle Knights, Luke and the others go over what Astor's people deciphered from the fondisc Guy Cecil picked up. Luke and his companions are attacked by Oracle Knights while on the ferry and come face to face with Dist the Reaper, who Jade Curtiss knows all too well. After being mocked, Dist calls forth his Kaiser Dist R but is soundly defeated. Jade knows that Dist will return

Nice huh?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:24, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know anything about the Xillia versions of the elemental spirits. As for the Katsbert Ferry (not Katsberg), that is not a lot of information. At least, not enough to warrant a new page. I'm thinking we could just add it to the Kaitzur Naval Port page, but I'll figure something out later. Moviebaby 23:19, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

That works. Now Chesedonia is a different story. Lots of stuff happens here. But it's hard to get the items necessary to complete the collectors book like Feather Mittens or Lapiz bracelet. Anyway, Chesedonia:

Chesedonia is a city that is located on the border like Kaitzur.

Geography
Chesedonia is located in the Aberria continent, North of the Desert Oasis, Northwest of the Zao Ruins and South of Tataroo Valley. It is also bordered between Kimlasca and Malkuth territory.

First Arrival
Upon first arrival, Van Grants takes Arietta into custody. After that Guy Cecil suggests that Luke fon Fabre and his companions go see Astor, the man in charge of the Merchant's Guild, to have the fondisc he found at Choral Castle analysed, but before that, they have to go to the Kimlascan Consulate for approval. They also have their first encounter with Noir, Urishi and York of the Dark Wings. After both tasks are done, just as they were about to leave, they run into another of the six God-Generals, Sync the Tempest, who marked Guy with a Curse Slot as he was trying to get the disc back. They soon escape, only to be trailed by Dist the Reaper.

The Curse Slot
During the mission to Akzeriuth, Luke and his companions head to the Malkuth Consolate. After they got the approval to head to Akzeriuth, Guy attacks Luke. Jade Curtss notices a cut on Guy's arm and comes to realize that he was struck with a Curse Slot. Fon Master Ion states that only Fon Masters can use that arte and Guy soon realized Sync hit him with it so he can use him as his puppet.

False Princess
After saving the citizens of St. Binah, Luke and his companions split into two groups to help everyone on the Rugnica continent get to safety. Upon arriving at Chesedonia they find Count Almandine and Grand Maestro Mohs and try to stop the war, but Mohs reveals that Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvalder is not the real Princess and is only satisfied with fulfilling the Score to the letter and has the soldiers place a boundary line in the center of the city.

Saving the City
After failing to convince Almandine to stop the war, Luke and his companions see Astor and inform him of the situation. Afterwards, they head to the Zao Ruins and reactivate the Sephiroth.

That's all the Info I got so far. Hope it helps. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 12:01, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I will add more to this later before creating a page. Moviebaby 17:57, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Awesome thanks. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:51, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

No problema.
Manual of style and all that jazz. So much to edit. 03:52, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Xillia's mystic Artes
Been a while. Anyway, I got a video of the subbed version of everyone's mystic artes. This could come in handy in case you wanna make them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8xxGQpNDf8&feature=related

There you go. Watch it sometime.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:42, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Presa's Article
From the info I got on Abyss Chronicles, I was able to make this rough draft on Presa from Tales of Xillia:

Presa is one of the major antagonists in Tales of Xillia. She serves as the spy for the Four Beast Blades and has the title of "Fang", under King Gaius.

History
Before she became one of the Four a Beast Blade, she had relationship with Alvin. When she was offered to become one of the Beast Blades she broke up with him.

She trapped Milla Maxwell at the Kijil Waterfall and recovered the key of the Lance of Kresnik (クルスニクの槍 kurusuniku no yari?) from her but did not care for it since it was a fake. She interrogated Milla to find out where the real key is hidden, only to be interrupted by Jude Mathis and Alvin, who saved Milla by shooting at a Great Demolisher disguised as a rock, unintentionally making it mad. During the battle, she escaped to avoid capture.

She was later seen with her fellow Beast Blade ally Jiao and two other men overlooking the village of Ni Akeria discussing their next move.

She and Wingall battle Milla and her friends at Kahn Valk with the two being defeated.

The two are later accompanied by Jiao as they fight against Milla and her frineds again at Vyzabard.

She and Agria have one final confrontation with the heroes at Ni Akeria's Mountain, but after being defeated, she falls to her doom.

Appearance and Personality
Presa is a woman whose beauty can make men melt like putty. She has long light blonde hair and pink eyes, she wears a skimpy ninja outfit that reveals most of her skin and wears glasses to appeal to intellectuals. The kneecaps and armpads she has are designed like fox heads. She has an alluring personality and mocks her enemies in and out of battle. When Alvin is involved she tends to lose her cool because of the love-hate relationship they had.

Fighting Style
Presa has the ability to control spirits and uses a book as a weapon.

That's the basis. We really need to watch gameplay videos of Presa to get more info about her. But I need your input first. What do you think? Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 16:06, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Good content, but poor writing. You use a lot of short, choppy sentences, but I will clean it up once we have gathered enough reliable information to warrant a page. Moviebaby 16:58, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your input. I appreciate that. The basic info is found here:

http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/?fn_mode=comments&fn_id=692

Along with the other thee of the four Beast Blades. More antagonists in Xillia.

Again, thanks for your input.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 17:48, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Excuse me?
And just what is your problem? I wasn't talking to you when I posted the correction. You don't have to be rude and say "Thank you, Mr. Middle School Parentheticals" like a smart aleck. I was just making mention of not starting a sentence with because. It wasn't directed at anyone at all.


 * >I didn't initally come to this talk page to gripe and complain, but that was the result after noticing his edit summary. With all I do, I just do not want to be reprimanded for an insignificant detail. Again, I don't see any harm in providing input and asking a few simple questions.


 * Replying to this since it was purged from the other page, and discussions like this really should not be deleted in the first place for archival purposes. But anyway, that edit summary was not a "hey moviebaby you suck" comment. It wasn't an insult toward you by any means. Yes it is an insignificant detail. But you did not add that text, so why should you take it personally unless he was directly calling you out on it. The same happened with Zolo's edits before - he was just making his own fixes whenever he saw that they needed to happen, with comments stating why the fixes were made, and you also sorta blew up in his face and picked an argument against him just because you perceived his edits being focused on fixing yours. But no, your edits just pushed the pages to the top of the recent changes log, which is what allowed these minor things to be noticed and fixed.


 * The fact is that both of these users merely commented on the content of the pages they fixed, stating what was altered and why. There is nothing wrong with that, but there is certainly a lot of harm when you start attacking other people in an unwarranted way by calling them names and starting arguments about these very same insignificant details. Just let it go. You are the one who is making a big deal out of minor changes, or specifically the comments attached to those changes which are equally minor, and if you start to complain to others because of that alone, when such comments are not directed to you in the first place, then you will wear yourself out far more than I have. There certainly is no harm in providing input and asking a few simple questions, if that was all you were doing, but the harm rests in the abrasive and condenscending way you do so when the recipient is not a troublemaker or rulebreaker. Save it for the ones who -are- troublemakers or rulebreakers.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:02, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Why do you keep deleting everything on your talk page? Guess I'll have to start posting on my talk page just to respond. I don't have a problem. Smart aleck? What are you, 50? Anyway, perhaps is wasn't directed at me, but it seemed that way. It's like someone going behind me and being like, "Oh, you missed something". I repeat, I did not comment on his talk page just to be a bitch. Seeing as how he won't answer my questions now, forget it. I wish there was someone else on this wiki who would be willing to put in half the effort I do. It takes maybe 10-20 minutes top to clean and handful of pages and somewhat expand them, but no, the majority of users make one or two minor edits, then they're done. Granted, I'm thankful for that, but bringing an article to the top of the "Recent Changes", fixing one thing and leaving the rest for someone else is beyond my comprehension. Moviebaby 23:32, June 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * It seemed that way doesn't mean it is that way. For the umpteenth time, I never implied in my correction that you were the one I was talking to. I was speaking generally for anyone reading the summary page. That's all there is to it. Letdragon 01:27, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Forbidden Anamnesis
Why did you delete the Forbidden Anamnesis page? The Forbidden Anamnesis is the extra dungeon of the game, so is technically a location just as Iselia, Mizuho, or Torrent Forest. In fact wouldn't be bad to add the Forbidden Anamnesis to the Location template? --Juan Ma 03:24, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

It's the same as Niflheim. There is no need for two articles when it can be neatly organized into one, which is what I did. The fact that it even stated that it is also called Niflheim should have let someone know that it needs to go on Niflheim's page. The content was nearly word-for-word in the "History" sections, meaning you or someone else just copied and pasted the information. Toward the end of the article, you were changing it into a walkthrough, which is not allowed, and you were also using personal pronouns. The necessary information is now on the Niflheim page, and there it will stay. Moviebaby 03:34, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Is true that in the end I turned the page on a walktrough and I apologize for that. Even so, remains an unanswered question. The Forbidden Anamnesis is a extra dungeon of Symphonia.

I always thought that Forbidden Anamnesis was a region of Niflheim. In Dawn of the New World, after clearing the Temple of Lightning Sheena Fujibayashi said at the office of director Schneider that she didn't went to Niflheim, but caught a glimpse of it, once. Wouldn't make the Forbidden Anamnesis an location, for very least, a region of Niflheim? If that's true it would be needed to add the demonic realm in the location template? --Juan Ma 04:37, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

No need for a template, as that definately borders along the lines of going overboard. Regardless if the Forbidden Anamnesis is a location in Niflheim or not, the fact remains that the article contained the same information as Niflheim's, and the end was completely walkthrough. There is nothing wrong with putting the information on Niflheim's page for the sake of expanding it and providing the small amount of somewhat important content. If anything, it makes more sense to do it this way. Neither of these articles could be supplied with a full, efficient quantity of information to make them outstanding, and besides, Niflheim is a world with one known location. Why would it not belong on there? Kimlasca and Malkuth are both on Auldrant's page. I'm not sure why you're trying to fight this. I cleaned the unrepeated content and transferred it. This way is better. Moviebaby 08:11, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Hypothetical question
Is it wrong to close down a wiki just because one of the editors won't accept any illegitimate information that is true?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 12:41, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is, but your plan for revenge will not work. You have become nothing but a poison to this wiki. Moviebaby 18:51, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Confirmation
Um... actually it IS confirmed. Look at this page to be sure:

http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/?fn_mode=comments&fn_id=918

You'll see that I'm right.

GamerGirlzPS2 02:26, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it has been confirmed that they are in the game, but not that they are playable characters, which is the part I removed. You stated that their status of playability was unconfirmed, and I REMOVED IT. Pay attention. Moviebaby 03:27, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, uhh... Sorry I took it a different way... I thought you weren't sure about their appearance. :( (I should've paid more attention...)


 * GamerGirlzPS2 03:29, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

That's fine. The reason I removed the appearance part was because I didn't want their small bit of information to merely say something like appears in a different outfit. Right now, I think it will be acceptable to just state their presence in the game. Didn't mean to lash out, knowing that you're not a problem user, so I apologize. Moviebaby 03:36, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

First Strike Stuff
I would like you to do this for me:

I want you to come up with short bios for the characters that made cameos in "Takes of Vesperia: The First Strike". I'll get started:

Rita Mordio:

Rita made a cameo appearance in First Strike. She was mentioned to Niren Fedrock by his strategist Garista. Niren wanted information from her on some aer that went out of control near Shizontonia, and in exchange he would give her a rare blastia core. She then explains that it was unlikely Aer could go out of control, and suddenly she remembered that a barrier blastia in the ruins upstream lost its core and that there was no aer krene there either. She then answered a question Chastel Aiheap asked about what an aer krene was and came to a conclusion that someone inserted a core in the blastia to produce more aer and then explained that, if used incorrectly, the resultas would be catastrophic.

Niren then asked her if it was possible to destroy the blastia but she said there was no way of knowing how unless she saw what kind of core was used to power it and asked if the aer was red. As a blastia expert she states the only way is to stop it at the source. To help, she gave him a Blastia that absorbed aer from the source and told him all he had to do was place it near the source and activate it, and a warning that since it is also a blastia it could overload.

After he gave her the bargaining core she asked how he and Chastal found her and he explained that Garista told him where to look for her. She reveals that he has stolen countless blastia from her and turned them into weapons.

She then used a device to create a formula that would temporarily prevent all blastia from overloading due to the red aer. She also suggested that his unit should stop the aer flow right away or the town would be destroyed. Before Niren and Chastal left he asked her if she lived alone. To which she replied that the house she was living in was only a temporary laboratory and that she lived somewhere else.

Trivia:


 * In "Tales of Vesperia: The First Strike" Rita treated Niren and and Chastel Aiheap the same way she treated Yuri, Estelle, Repede and Karol when they barged into her house: By telling the intruders to be quiet and then blasting them with a Fireball.
 * In the Playstation 3 version of Tales of Vesperia, during the Chasta Aiheap sidequest, it is unknown if Rita remembers Chasta or not.

This is a start. What do you think?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:11, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

How about YOU do it. I don't have the time nor interest. Moviebaby 00:29, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

All right. Just one thing: Would all this be good enough for the respective parts of Rita's article?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 11:02, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Just do what you think best. Mayu or I will correct anything wrong. Moviebaby 15:03, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much. It really means a lot coming from you. And I'll try to come up with First Strike Bios for Alexei, Estelle and Raven. Even though they had short cameos.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 16:06, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Edits
Hi! I was watching your recent edits and I apologize for the mistakes I made. I just wanted to create some pages that were never created yet. And I also apologize for mentioning "Luke's Party" because I used the term "party" a lot when referring to the main protagonists of RPGs. Hope all is forgiven, I was only trying to help out. (BurningFlameHaze)

EDIT: See user talk page. Moviebaby 04:53, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Fine, I will stop making edits until I fully understand the manual. If it doesn't work out, I will quietly leave. I was only trying to help out. (BurningFlameHaze)

I understand that, but I don't much appreciate having to go through and fix all these things when it is not that hard to view the manual and edit correctly. You don't have to be defensive about it either. We need users to help, but we also need them to abide by the manual so that this wiki will remain neat and concise. Moviebaby 04:53, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

I have read the entire Manual of Style for proper use of organization, however I have decided to leave the site because I do not have perfect grammar skills. I'm sorry for the ill mistakes and I hope you have appreciated the pages I have created in an attempt to expand the site. ~BurningFlameHaze

Kay, sorry.--SheikSorenKratosAsch 21:22, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm... What was wrong with my contribution on the Kratos article? ^~ --Bingbangpoe (talk) 22:25, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Both edits were speculatory, which is forbidden on this wiki. Moviebaby (talk) 22:40, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Well... Kratos being an illusion in Labyrinth of Memories is not really speculatory, it's pretty much confirmed right before you fight him, and after you win. But I understand, sorry about this. I'll be more careful next time. --Bingbangpoe (talk) 22:44, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Nonetheless, we also do not use contractions on this wiki. Moviebaby (talk) 22:47, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

I figured.
I just wanted to save the parts that have been deleted. I didn't add it back. Trivia bit 5 is true. There were cracks on the ground when Emil and Marta entered Meltokio the first time.

I bet you heard Xillia is going to get the American treatment. All I have to say about that is "Finally!" I mean Pokemon Conquest came out in america 3 months after it came out in Japan. It's been almost 2 years since Xillia was debuted in Japan. You think Namco Bandai would follow Nintendo's example.

So, who do you think will be in the English voice Cast? I think Wendee Lee will be in it for one. She would also be Voice Director.

Sorry for getting off topic. So Trivia can be added as long as it doesn't describe walkthrough stuff? Got it. BTW, I'd wait until the four Beast Blades info comes out in english before we post their articles. But what'll we do with their pictures in the meantime? Splice them together and make an article about them?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:37, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Not sure if there is enough information at this time. Moviebaby (talk) 19:59, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. My Presa article won't reach standards until Xillia is localized. But aren't you excited it's finally going to be localized?

Hmmmm. I wonder what Milla voice actress would be. That's probably gonna be the first thing on your mind isn't it.

When we first met you were friendly to me. I guess me screwing up over and over changed the way you think of me.

Just saying.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 20:12, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Just one idea
Wouldn't be better to add to add the Twilight Palace, the Sandy Windy Cave and the other locations to the template of Tos:DotNW' s template locations? After all these are dungeons too, even if they can only be reached with a katz's mission request. --Juan Ma (talk) 20:12, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

I haven't played the game so I'm not sure which locations would qualify as necessary. Also, there are no articles for those locations, but provide me with a list and I'll see what I can do. Moviebaby (talk) 20:57, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Really? I thought you had played for sure Dawn of the New World. Oh well, sorry for bother you. Perhaps I should ask Mayu. --Juan Ma (talk) 21:27, August 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * As you say, those are Katz mission locations, meaning they are not related to the story at all. What can be said for their articles? The missions are equivalent to the request system in Graces, meaning they are not even informative sidequests, just grindan' dungeons for more monster ally exp and rewards. There isn't even any indication of where in the world these dungeons are located, and often the elemental affinities of the areas are randomized. It would be better to add a subsection about the Katz missions on the page for Katz, listing details about the system itself. In addition to that, a list-type page can be created to list each quest and associated location/rewards so it does not clutter the content pages.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:26, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification boss. --Juan Ma (talk) 22:33, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Gusios Article
I bet someone created a Gusios article but it got deleted Here's my version:

Gusios was an Entelexeia who was in charge of restoring Aer balance.

Story
Yuri Lowell and his friends first encountered Gusios (Called the Dreaded Giant at the time) in Caer Bocram being contained in the deepest part by a reverse barrier set up by the Hunting Blades guild. During a struggle with the Dragon Rider, the reverse barrier blastia was destroyed and everyone but Karol Capel fought him. After the battle he took one look at Estellise Sidos Heurassein and ran off.

They soon encounter him again at the Crystallands where he was trying to absorb the red aer, ultimately causing him to lose his mind and lashed out at everyone there. He was defeated by Brave Vesperia and was turned into an apathea, which Rita Mordio converted into the summon spirit of Earth, named Gnome by Estelle. However, he was asleep upon his creation due to the amount of aer he consumed. Another side-effect of this was he lost the ability to speak, so Sylph would translate for him.

What do you think?

Also, we need a pic of Khroma in her Kritya and Entelexeia forms, and that Yuri and friends remember her from the Weasand of Catos and she took them to the mirage Yormgen.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:58, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

I can take care of the picture since I have a save file from every boss battle of Vesperia as long as the page is created. --Juan Ma (talk) 23:25, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Winxfan: I'll see what I can do about the article. Juan Ma: We do need images. As long as they are yours (please specify), that's fine you add them to the appropriate articles. Moviebaby (talk) 19:41, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Since I have grammar issues I will dedicate mostly on adding pictures. I will start with Legendia since i am playing now (heading now to the Fire Monument). Don't worry about copyrights issues since the one taking the pictures with my camera is me, therefore the pictures are exclusively my creations. If someone could create the Bridge and the Forest of No Return articles, since i got the images for those events, it would be great. --Juan Ma (talk) 19:56, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. very much. You guys had articles on Belius, Phaeroh and Khroma, but not Gusios.

And if any new info rises for the Xillia North American version, I'll put them up.

And I played Vesperia and beat it.

If you'd like I can tell you of my accomplishments.

Also from what I can tell, Gusios' appearance looks like a giant behemoth with the head of a snapping turtle that can extend and retract. His first appearance he had what appeared to be light-blue moss on his edges. The second time the moss spread.

Khroma has two forms as you know.

Her Krytian appearance had blue hair like Judith but a more darker skin tone than her and a less revealing outfit with a serious look on her face. and she has a ponytail. Her Dragon form is quadriped, and has a beak and the same blue hair.

Not the best descriptions for their physical appearances I know but still...

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 21:22, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

2 merines?
I don't know if you know this, but I now realized that there have been 2 Merines before Shirley. The first one is seen in the war flashbacks at the ice monument. She lead the ferines onboard the Legacy, created land on the ship and ultimately founded the kingdom of Terises. The second one initiated the cataclysm.

Since there are no info about these 2 unknown merines on the Merines, Wings of Light and the Kingdom of Terises articles I thought for sure that the two were same. Not to mention that there are no pages for the fire, ice, thunder and earth monuments of the Quiet Lands.

If you see closely the first one from the mainland have long and straight hair, while the other one at the wings of light have combed hair. Two different hair styles, two different ferines. (I shall work later on a better version of that image) --Juan Ma (talk) 05:30, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Broken Rule
Did you know, or have you forgotten, that there is to be no swearing on this or any other wikia? I never swear when people just want to help. You were fixing a page, but you didn't have to swear. But now I am conflicted, should I report to Mayu about this or should I leave it alone cause i consider you a friend? Hmmm.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:18, August 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't give a damn about swearing in edit summaries and talk page comments, as long as it is used sparingly (ie. not done for **** and giggles in every post just because you can) and not directed at a person. If someone does start throwing around curse words toward other people or on a persistent basis, I will decide if it's worth a warning or a one-week banhammer. And believe me Winxfan, you don't need to tell us (hint: yes, "us", talk pages are open to everyone) your contemplation of reporting anything because I know what's going on unless I happen to be under the frequent effects of monsoon season typhoon-induced power outages, and so the act of doing this is redundant and therefore worthless.


 * As long as you keep yourself away from editing content pages, I can happily pretend you don't exist anymore by continuing to ignore you, and no further problems caused by you will occur. Though I should really point out that this wiki is not, and never has been, a blog, and your fanfiction stuff should be moved off of this site. Converse about it somewhere where it is appropriate.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:06, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Aren't you curious?
First of all, I'm sorry for ratting you out on the swearing.

Second, this is rather important. There are articles yet to be finished. There is no Hunter article for starters and the Radiants are very important. I'm not saying we should do individual articles on the ten different Radiants. And besides, I was still on the job of finding out what levels fully evolved monsters de-evolve back into their base forms at the end of their cycle like what level Blade Rex de-evolves back into Were Dragon, but it doesn't hurt to multi-task.

Back on topic, the Radiants. Without them, Tales of the World Radiant Mythology would probably be just Tales of the World Mythology. And I have been playing. So far I got the Radiant Equipment from the Warrior, Healer, Fencer, Wizard and Thief. I'm working on the Fighter now, and the Radiant Fighter will probably have four pieces of equipment, since the Gloves count as both Weapon and Hand Armor. Once I have that gear, I'll challenge Senel and get the Ninja invite. I'm holding off beating the game until I have ALL the Radiant equipment.

I'll add the rest in the Radiant Blog part 2, since we can't edit blogs.

Or I can just leave it alone and no one will know.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 21:47, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Aw come on
First I (Sorry, I went Agro on my laptop because it shut down as I was watching videos and every time I press the I key in a certain way it tilts and I have to reposition it right.) anyway, First I'm not allowed to edit, now I'm not allowed to blog? Do I ever get to do anything? What if there was some info you needed. I'm trying to prove I'm a good editor. In the Radiant Mythology Monster Book I put in the locations of where to find Radiant Healer, Radiant Fencer, Radiant Grappler and Radiant Thief. I'm currently working to get my Hunter job character to Level 40 so it can battle and use the equipment of the Radiant Hunter. And I got all the Radiant Grappler Equipment and the Ninja Invitation.

Just thought we should have a civilized talk.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:02, August 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * You can be a good editor by actually making good contributions. Examples of this include fleshing out articles using a writing style that is compatible with the MoS. Examples of bad contributions include making new pages which aren't worth being pages at all, acting like you are the sole arbiter of information on these things like you are doing now, and thinking that everyone has something against you when they tell you what you are doing wrong and why. Of course, I do tell you what you are doing wrong and why and you still do it while acting like you are in the right, so naturally I -would- have something against you. But no, NO ONE is allowed to blog because the blog functions are off-limits. As for not being allowed to edit, you proved that you consistently create bad edits every time you tried, and we don't need people like you.


 * In terms of gaining the info for DotNW or RadiMai, others have the game and access to the same info, sometimes FAR more complete than you can ever manage, and most of these others are Japanese people who spent their lives by dissecting the core specifics of these games to derive exact damage formulas and multipliers, among other things. I would rather trust these people and their information than any content that you provide. If there was some info that we needed, it wouldn't be a problem for me to go on 2ch and ask in Japanese. Any content that we have which remains missing will remain this way because there are priorities, ESPECIALLY existing pages which must be fleshed out before any new page can be considered as a viable focus of effort. But you keep ignoring this every time I say it so I have no reason to expect that you would finally hear these words now.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:35, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

About your user page.
I can see us getting along quite well now.

I too like Madonna music, actually, music by all 80's artists in general. Plus I have Abyss for the 3DS, Vesperia, Dawn of the New World and Radiant Mythology. You should make a gallery of your favorite characters too, like I did.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 04:19, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Names ending in s
Omitting the "s" in a case like this is old practice though. It can go either way even though the "s" omission is a minority thing, but it's preferable to add one, otherwise you're implying there's more than one of that person. Plus if you're going to have a problem with such a minor English rule, that means Kratos and Zelos's pages will have to be edited to erase all the extra s-es that were added. Letdragon (talk) 06:29, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Old practice? I see it used this way all the time. It doesn't imply there are more than one, obviously, because it's a character's name. Adding an "s" in this case looks awkward and redundant. Plus, I'm well aware of all the awful grammar usage infesting this wiki. I will work on those pages when I have the time. It's not that I have a problem with it. I have a problem with someone going in and adding an "s" to each one, further widening the gap of its alternate usage. Efforts should be focused elsewhere, but I digress. Besides, I've seen it without the "s" more on this particular wiki, and I will continue to knock out the ones with the "s" as I come across them. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that either form is correct, however. Moviebaby (talk) 07:42, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's just I've seen that the s' form has caused some confusion for students who wonder about names ending in s, so they're choosing to go more with the s's explanation these days, least from what I've seen. I had to fix the Spyro wiki in this sense and deal with someone who just didn't seem to get it. I've never had a problem with it really. But, for the sake of the wiki, I guess. Letdragon (talk) 09:33, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I always prefered to use [...]s's when refering to Dhaos's/Ras's/whomever's whatevers. Honestly, it can go either way, and I pointed it out when this same issue was contested a long time ago on this same wiki, since both forms are acceptable under the Chicago MLA. As far as changing specific instances of this to match one way or the other, I agree with Moviebaby that it's not even worth the effort when there are more significant and glaring errors on the same pages which should be addressed.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:58, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright then. Letdragon (talk) 05:50, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Your undoing to my talk page
You undoing my censored bad word. I'm changed censoring bad keyword. F*** is inappropriate keyword and other forum has changed *bleep*. Also GameFAQs is not allowed this keyword. Themanasword (talk) 10:32, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Moviebaby, just ignore it, and him.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:43, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wtf. Themanasword (talk) 10:55, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Harder Than I Thought.
Sorry to bother you like this. First of all, thank you so much for helping Alpha with his article. I only provided full names when they are first mentioned and level 2 headlines. It is difficult to make these articles from scratch, which is why I'm here. I was trying to create an article on the Hunter Class. But there was so much info that was difficult to understand. I didn't even know which japanese translation to use: 狩人 or ハンター. All I know is the Hunter uses a bow. And in Radiant Mythology, to get the Hunter's invitation, I have to complete Nanaly's cooking quest then Arche's Mabo Curry quest and I get the invite from Chester.

Mayu's right. I don't know a thing about how to do anything here.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:53, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Radiant Order
I found out something freaky. Might not be trivia worthy but here it is:

The Order of Lorelei was introduced in December 15, 2005 in Tales of the Abyss and their symbol is that of a tuning fork right. Well Tales of the World Radiant Mythology was released in Japan in December 21, 2006 and, here's the freaky part:

That symbol of the Order of Lorelei is on the clothes of the Radiant Healer. Even the Healer Staff has the same Tuning Fork symbol on it. Even more so, it's the same staff Ion was holding in his official art. That must mean that the symbol has been the inspiration for the Radiant Healer equipment.

Stupid I know, but still. It's strange.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:36, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Magnar
I noticed the template with Raine on it is gone from Magnar's page. Does this mean that it fits all the parameters of the Manual of Style?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 05:18, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

No, we just don't use that template anymore. Moviebaby (talk) 05:23, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. I made the article. Anything wrong with it so I can fix it. Or do I have to fgure that out myself? Because that was all the info I got, and there wasn't much to begin with.

I really do try my best to help.

Also, whoever made the Balacruf Mausoleum article forgot to put in info from DotNW sice Balacruf Mausoleum was in that game, albiet a side-quest but still. Maybe there's something wrong with the sentence structure in the article.

Let's see...

I managed to piece together the Hunter Article, but I need your honest opinion about it:

The Hunter (狩人) is a recurring job in the Tales series.

Job Characteristics
The Hunter's weapon of choice is the bow and arrow. It is classified as an elite job only obtainable by receiving the Hunter's invitation. In later games it would be one of the jobs offered from the start. The Hunter can attack from long range putting them at a disadvantage against experts in close range combat. Standard artes usually associated with the Hunter job include Thunder Blitz, Eagle Shot and Wyrm Shot.

Tales of Phantasia: Narikiri Dungeon

 * For a list of artes, see this page.

Tales of the World: Narikiri Dungeon 2

 * For a list of artes, see this page.

Tales of the World: Narikiri Dungeon 3

 * For a list of artes, see this page.

Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology

 * For a list of artes, see this page.

The Hunter is one of the advanced jobs of Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology. In order to obtain the job, the protagonist must complete a cooking request from Nanally Fletcher. Then he or she must then complete a request from Arche Klein to give her some Mabo Curry to give to Chester Burklight. After completing the quest, Chester will give the him or her the Hunter invitation and will allow him or her to change into the Hunter class for 100 Grade Points.

Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 2

 * For a list of artes, see this page.

Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology 3

 * For a list of artes, see this page.

Gallery
What do you think? I'm sorry but I only got the info on the hunter fron RM1. I'm sure you know more than me. Just wanted to give this a shot.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 11:38, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

You're the boss.
It is true that, after a close look, the Temple of Darkness article needs to be re-written. The editors back then had no clue what they were doing. I just thought I would expand on the DotNW section:

Upon awakening, Emil finds out that, while he was unconscious, Marta had been trying to hatch Tenebrae's Core but without success. Emil offers his hand to help and the core hatches, restoring Tenebrae. Sheena joins the others in the happy reunion and the three leave the temple. As they were about to exit the temple, Regal Bryant comes in and tells them that Seles Wilder, half-sister of Zelos Wilder, the Chosen of Tethe'alla, had bought Glacies' Core. They soon leave the temple to head back to Meltokio.

Pretty nice huh. think about this as you re-write the Temple of Darkness article.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:22, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much.
Thank you for tweaking and posting my Hunter Article. It looks great.

BTW, did you know Saleh from Tales of Rebirth was in Radiant Mythology 3? That could be useful info for his article when the time comes.

I'l try to piece together what I can for Agria and Wingall's articles.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 11:20, August 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Stop making new pages. Stop encouraging others to make new pages. Stop providing [bad] content for new pages and dumping it online as if you think the info needs to be disseminated. Stop copying deleted content and dumping it online as if you think the info needs to remain in dissemination, given how every page has a "history" tab which automatically archives EVERY edit ever made. Use your own computer and save it in some folder or your desktop or something. I don't want to see it.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 15:08, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

It's my talk page and I can put whatever I want on it. And besides, I was saying thanks to moviebaby. These conversations should only be between two people only. no one else need be involved.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 18:48, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Don Whitehorse.
Here I go again. I posted info on Don Whitehorse before but I sent it when I wasn't connected and now I have to re-type it again. Here it goes. He came to stop the monsters at the source, the Forest of Keiv Moc, only to find that the problem was already taken care of thatnks to Yuri Lowell and his allies. Though the two officially meet, the pleasantries had to be cut short as the Don had some business to take care of in Dahngrest.

After Yuri and his team return, they find Flynn Scifo speaking with the Don about a peace treaty between the Empire and the Guilds, however the talk quickly turned sour when the Don found out that Ioder wanted him out of the way and Flynn soon realized the letter must be fake, but the Don places Flynn in the dungeon and declares war on the Empire.

When he finds Yuri taking Flynn's place in the dungeon he is touched that he would do such a thing and tells him why he started a guild in the first place: he didn't like the way the empire ran things and wanted to be free, and to protect those he loved and cherished the most. He also let's Yuri in on a secret: He knew that someone in the Five Master Guilds, mainly Barbos, wants him out of the way and knew that the letter given to him by Flynn had to be fake, but he had a reputation to maintain so he performed his act to get everyone riled up. Seeing himself in Yuri he lets him out, gives him until the battle starts to prove Flynn's innocence and informs him the one truly responsible is still in the city. He continued the act until Flynn arrived with the real letter, ending the conflict.

How's that?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 12:43, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ioder.
I really hate it when people leave out stuff that happend in the story. Anyway:

When Yuri and his friends are arrested and sent to Heliord Ioder repays Yuri rescuing him by clearing all the charges against him.

Yuri and his friends, who are called Brave Vesperia, encounter Ioder again in Capua Torim and inform him of a situation that came up and talk to him about being the new emperor. He says that he can't be emperor because the symbol of ascenstion, Dein Nomos had been missing for ten years and there hasn't been one since.

They encounter him again in Halure after the residents from Zaphias had been evacuated from Alexei Dinoia's takeover, but no residents of the lower quarter were there. He informs Yuri that the situation in the capital is worse than anyone could imagine.

That's all I got but I'm sure you can expand on that.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:40, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

I saw your latest edit summary and I'm glad you brought that up. These were events that happened between when Yuri saved Ioder from the ship and after Aurnion was built. I hope that helps.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 12:02, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Expansion.
I hope no one minds but I tweaked the Izoold page a bit for the Dawn of the New World section. Also, an expansion on the DOTNW Sybak article: The party of Emil, Marta Lualdi, Regal Bryant and Sheena Fujibayashi all head to the Imperial Research Academy to get permission from Director Schneider to enter the Temple of Lightning. They meet a man who reminds Emil about Aster. Inside Sheena scolds Emil and Marta for speaking badly about Half-elves, especially since they know Raine and Genis and it would not be fair to them.

After the talk they head to the basement where Ratatosk-Mode Emil turns back to normal Emil and has no memory of what happened at the Temple of Lightning, so Sheena and Marta bring him up to speed about it and decide Emil should get some rest. During which he had the dream where Richter killed him and awoke to find that Schneider had returned.

Before returning to the academy Emil overheard Regal talking to Sheena and Marta about the letter Raine wrote. Apparently it was a psychoanalysis of Emil's split personality. However, everyone reassures Emil that he is not a fake and they all go see Schneider.

After returning to the Academy, Emil and his friends learn more about Ratatosk, Nifelheim and the history behind Richter and Aster. They also learn that a young woman named Rilena, a close friend of Aster, was continuing his research and left for the temple. After hearing this, they are granted permission by Schneider to enter the temple.

After returning from the temple they give Schneider an update on the situation and he decides to keep Rilena's notes safe. The party then leaves for Meltokio.

When the party splits up after the events at the Martel Temple to make preperations for the final battle, Emil finds Raine in the center of town.

I'll also provide some insight for the DotNW part of the Temple of Lightning.

Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World
When the party arrives they are stopped by two Martel Knights who say the temple is off-limits and one of the knights pushes down Marta Lualdi. Emil Castagnier becomes furious by this and turns into Ratatosk-Mode and threatens to kill the knights. Regal Bryant says that what Emil was doing wasn't the way to get into the temple or protect Marta, so Emil withdrew his sword. Soon Schneider, the director of the Sybak Research Academy came. As soon as he recognized Regal, the knights then treated the party with more respect due to his status. Schneider then explained the situation: apparently the temple had become too dangerous and only those with permission from the director can enter, so the party heads to Sybak to get permission from Schneider.

After getting permission to enter the temple, the party returns to the temple only to find the knights who harassed them dead, meaning someone was after Centurion Tonitrus' Core, realizing that either Lloyd or the Vanguard were here. Before they went inside they find some notes and soon realize they belong to Rilena.

Once inside the temple they find two researchers running away because there was a foul-smelling violent man running around the temple killing everyone in sight and Marta soon realizes it could be Decus. Emil tells the researches to head back to Sybak and soon they proceed. Further in they find Lloyd only to be ambushed by the Vanguard.

Just before they reach Tonitrus' altar they find Decus about to kill Rilena. Emil intervines only to suffer from Decus more brutal attacks until Emil's Ratatosk personality takes over and opens a black hole sucking in Rilena and Decus. Afterward, Marta slaps Emil in the face and becomes angry at him because he did not care about what happened to them.

Tenebrae had a theory that the move Emil used was to transport Centurion Cores to their respective altars, but the person in question had to have a Centurion's Core to begin with so they proceed. Upon approaching they altar they get attacked by a monster who had the same aura as Tonitrus. After they defeat it, Marta hatches the core and Sheena decides it was time to inform Schneider of their progress. Marta was still angry at Emil afterwards.

As soon as the party leaves, the Royal Army arrives and escorts the survivors to safety.

Alternative Scene
If Emil is struck by lightning a set number of times, Lloyd will leave his third mask and take Tonitrus' Core, after which Emil will be struck by lightning.

Trivia

 * In a skit, Regal explains to Emil about why Sheena does not like being at the Temple of Lightning.

Not bad huh?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:24, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Is my info on Sybak and the Temple of Lightning really that bad?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 15:53, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, I haven't even so much as glanced at it yet. I've been busy, and will approach these matters when necessary. Just to help me clarify this: WHY do you like Dawn of the New World SO much? Granted, I've never completed the game, but I've played it, and it does not seem interesting in the least. I much prefer the prequel, and I would MUCH prefer more content added in terms of the original game. However, I can't stop you from writing or adding this content. Just don't be upset when you notice my interest toward cleaning and adding it is at a minimum. Moviebaby (talk) 17:33, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

If you need someone advice ask Mayu, since he completed Dawn of the New World. I can't really help you on that. --Juan Ma (talk) 19:59, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

@ Moviebaby. Well, one thing is the voice acting. I mean Tara Jayne does Genis' voice a lot better than Colleen O'Shaughnessy. Second, you can raise monsters which I find really cool. Thirdly, the character development. I mean, how cool is Emil and this is probably Laura Bailey's first Tales video game voice job. After this she was Droite in Vesperia and Cheria in Graces and the remake Graces F. I played and beaten the game four times. Sorry if I made you feel inferior about it. How far did you get? Maybe I can help out. Don't worry, I won't be upset.

@ Juan ma. First, you need to come up with your own user page. Second, Mayu and I are not really on speaking terms.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:55, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

@Juan Ma Mayu is a female (as far as we know at least)

@Winxfan. I'm pretty sure Vesperia came out before DotNW. And since only Graces f was released in English and not the Wii version, Laura was only Cheria in Graces f.

Forgive me for correcting you guys. That's just in my nature. I always try to point out the mistakes people make when it comes to the English language and any other information I know. Some people take it the wrong way though. (MabiEditor)


 * DotNW came out first, but in Japan. Vesperia came out some months afterwards, which was then scheduled for a near-simultaneous release in the US, so then its localization was released before DotNW. Thefefore, even though DotNW is the earlier game, it has the most recent localized arte names which have not been overridden so far by Graces, such as Yuri's Triple Kick. Now, as for DotNW, even if I played it, I still see it as a badly conceived game which causes more continuity errors than the single one that it fixed, that Aselia no longer runs on mana by the time Leisen blows up all of the mana on the planet just to kill Dhaos. And really, it feels like a sort of official fanfiction, in that Lloyd becomes the Tales version of "red makes me go three times faster and i has a mask" Char Aznable just to generate story conflict until the obvious tweeest. The only thing that Lloyd is missing from the Char mentality is the need to drop a space colony on the planet.  It's not a horrible game to the extent that Tempest was, but that's not really a compliment when Tempest probably shouldn't be compared with anything in the first place, since everything else is automatically better, even DotNW.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:13, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

@Mayu. Whoa. That's something to think about.

While I agree it's not the best game due to the fact that not ALL the artes from the original passsed on to this game like Aqua Laser, Sword Rain: Beta Flame Lance etc. it does have its fair share of laughs, drama and deaths (mostly to the antagonists). It also makes a few references to the original game like how Regal explained to Emil why Sheena doesn't like the Temple of Lightning, or Presea made two objects: the Loni-Kyle and the Judas Mask which was seen on Judasigles (Which I think is a dumb enemy). Even one that wasn't in any tales games: Collette talking about spies in cardboard boxes. Sound familiar to anyone?

Oh, and in Izoold: In Chapter 8, Emil went to see Regal, who wanted to check on the situation and about respect for one another.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:33, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Blade Drifts of Zopheir
I was thinking, maybe we ought to officialize the Tales of Vesperia World Template.

Other than that I got a basis for... Hmmm, a lot of stuff happens in Zaphias, maybe I ought to do something smaller. How about this:

Blade Drifts of Zophier

The Blade Drifts of Zopheir is an area in Tales of Vesperia located in North Eastern Illycia east of Capua Nor and north of Halure. At first, the area is inaccesible because it was too warm, but after Ehmead Hill was obliterated, this area became open to Yuri Lowell and his companions as an alternative path to Halure. It is also the birth place of Undine in Terca Lumires.

Description
The Blade Drifts of Zopheir is an icy area that snows most of the time. In these icy platforms, there are blades sticking out probably from the Great War ten years prior to the game.

Finding a Way
After Yuri and his friends failed to save Estelle from the clutches of Alexei Dionia they crash near Capua Nor and notice a large crater where Ehmead Hill once stood. Once there, they find Teagle and his family at the in and find out that it was the time of year that the Blade Drifts of Zopheir are at the coldest so the ice would be stabe to walk on. After thanking Teagle, Yuri and his friends were on their way to save Estelle.

Karol Saves the Day
Upon ariving at the Blade Drifts, they see many swords sticking out of the ice. Soon they are being stalked by a monster known as Baitojoh. They arrive at a crystallized are krene, became trapped in the aer flow and was cornered by the Baitojoh. Yuri managed to push Karol Capel out of the way. As the only one left to fight Karol faced the monster head on. Things seemed hopeless until Karol pulled out a sword that controlled the aer and Yuri and the others were free and joined Karol to defeat the Baitojoh. After the battle, Karol was so exhausted from the fight that he passed out so Yuri and the others had to fight their way out without him. Upon leaving Karol wakes up and the others leave.

Birth of Undine
After receiving Belius' Apathea from Harry Whitehorse, Yuri and his friends return to the Blade Drifts with Estelle in order to put Rita Mordio's plan into action. They head to the aer krene and utilize it to create a substance known as "Mana" in order to free Estelle from her power as the Child of the Full Moon. The plan worked all too well as the Apathea's formula began to rewrite itself and took on the form of a beautiful woman. When she first speaks, Judith recognizes her voice and the others come to the conclusion that Belius' consciousness resided within the Apathea. Yuri gives her a new name for her form: a spirit. And it was Estelle that officially names her Undine, after the ancient ruler of the waters. Upon leaving, Yuri and his friends notice the threat of the Adephagos is growing stronger and don't have much time. So they hurry to find more Entelexeia to turn into spirits.

Pretty nice huh? You can be honest if you want.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 20:28, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Regal edition
why regal's participation during dawn of the new world was deleted? That edition took of almost half of the page's content. Also should I have written mercenary instead of convict? --Juan Ma (talk) 04:21, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Because it was crap, and I'm tired of crap. Fair warning for future reference: this writing which contains past-tense phrases, simple "he did this" or "she did that" sentences, parentheticals, and contractions will all be deleted. I don't have the time to go through and fix it because it's too poorly written. I would rather have lack of content than crap, which is exactly what I've been seeing, paricularly in the "Relationships" sections, which I think needs more overall clarity on how to be written properly. It will be much easier to type content from crap articles from scratch. Just to note: I primarily see the most severe cases of crap on the Symphonia articles.

As for the occupation on Regal's article, referring to his position as president will suffice.

Moviebaby (talk) 06:02, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

If you're tired, quit. It's that simple.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 08:24, September 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you're Winxfan, quit. It's that simple, because crap happens to be synonymous with Winxfan's contributions. You really don't seem to understand that as long as people like you exist on this wiki, we have no choice but to continue to vanguard the wiki against all of your edits, and quitting becomes impossible, and more importantly, irresponsible. So no, you quit first before we will wait at least ten years and then finally retire.


 * I certainly agree with just deleting any shoddily written text, as it is what I always did if I do not have the time to fix everything as necessary. This is the very reason that we cannot quit when we are merely "tired", since it means the garbage will proliferate and surpass all of the valid and decently written content. We will stop being "tired" when all of it is gone and future edits are of proper quality, as it means we will finally be reinvigorated enough to enhance the wiki with positive contributions rather than focus on bringing all of the negative contributions back to zero, where they belong. That is the end goal; we are doing what we can to prevent the wiki from becoming the festering pile of junk that poor Winxfan's expectations qualify as "nice huh". No one should ever settle for "nice huh", especially when it means [insert Tsukihime "it's shit, right? it's shit" image macro here].


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:19, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Then why not just delete EVERYTHING and start from square one?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:38, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

First of all, not all of the content on this wiki is crap, just the portions you write. Secondly, plenty of articles on this wiki desperately need to be written properly, but I nor Mayu simply have the time to devote to such a task. If we had more users who KNEW HOW TO WRITE WELL then it wouldn't be so much of a problem, but sadly we don't. Moviebaby (talk) 00:48, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

It's because you guys never take the time to ask for help from them. I may know of some good users who might consider helping. And what is it I am doing wrong, not enough content, SPG (Spelling, Punctuation, Grammar) tell me.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 06:43, September 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * A few years back, around 2009 or so, even before I got admin powers which really didn't change anything since I acted the same way even before I became an admin , I was heavily promoting the wiki with self-plugs and everything else whenever it seemed appropriate, on the official Tales forums, AnimeSuki, GameFAQs, etcetc. The problem is that people saw the crap and they thought that the wiki was encouraging that crap since it was never cleaned up. So they openly pointed out flaws in the wiki and its content -without fixing any of it themselves-, leaving me to do it as soon as I became aware of it courtesy of the kind of damning commentary they had to share. I mean, when I first started editing here, the Tales of Destiny page had a misinformed or deliberatively disruptive user who kept claiming there was a Sega port of the game, which is false by all other accounts. Guess who brought it to its current state, as probably the best example of how a game's article should be formatted and sectioned... and its story section is -still- flawed and needs to be rewritten.


 * My point? If no one fixes it and just points it out as a reason why a wiki should never be trusted, parading it as an example of the kind of content we allow (which we most certainly do not!!), then it won't be fixed and the crap will stay forever... UNLESS someone who is dedicated enough will put forth the effort to make proper changes. In the absence of someones like this, the best placeholder is a red link or a stub tag in place of a vital section, and not badly written text which fail our litmus test of standards. We need to get the wiki to a state in which the rules are widely disseminated and followed, so that future contributors with good quality edits will be encouraged to take part in the wiki. This is impossible while bad quality edits and users remain.


 * For the record, I still plug the wiki whenever it's relevant, but I know that most of the people on the TSF are actually annoyed whenever I bring up the topic that Aselia exists and needs help. It's a lot easier for me to pass off Aselia as a translation site for comprehensive resource-based lists than a site for general Tales info anyway. These days, my posts are directed at expressing my pure hatred for Namdai JP and its Tales Cycle. That or my love for delicious shota crossdressers.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:28, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

I see. Well, if it were more detailed, gramattically correct and follows proper procedures, it could come back. Fair enough. I'll see what I can do for it. The DotNW section for Regal and getting you proper users.

Just one thing, should I explain in full detail Regal's involvement in Dawn of the New World?

Here's what I got so far:

Chapter 4
Regal, like the others, returns in the sequel of the game. He is arrested for supposably causing fires in Izoold. The new protagonists Emil Castagnier, Marta Lualdi and Tenebrae, as well as Raine and Genis, find him in prison and he explains how he got in jail again: He wanted to make a deal with Berg, a local gel maker, when suddenly there was a bright light and it knocked both of them out. When he came to he saw that Berg was unconscious and he pulled him out of the fire, but was accused of starting the fire. He informs them that if Berg were awakened, he could vouch for his innocence. After Berg awakens from his poison induced coma, he explained to the guard that Regal was innocent and let him out, however the guard misplaced the keys to his handcuffs and Regal apologizes in advance for breaking them apart, and to compensate he would send the guard a pair of his companies' handcuffs. He then joins the group after a change of clothes in the search for Centurion cores, but also to search for Lloyd. It is shown that he took off his shackles just like he promised Alicia after the game though he keeps to his vow never to kill with his hands and continues using his feet to battle. He joins Emil, Marta and Tenebrae to find the real culprit of the arsen, which turns out to be a Light Frog, or Nasdrovie as Tenebrae would call it. After defeating the Light Frog, he tells Berg to hold off production of gels until it is safe to do so again, and he joins the group on their journey. When Decus (disguised as Lloyd) attacks Flanoir, Regal and his friends find Lloyd. Regal confronts Lloyd about what happened but he just ignores him. After the confrontation, Regal wears his convict outfit, saying he will take the embarrassment for his friend. After tending to the wounded, Regal and the others head to the Temple of Ice where they find the outside so warm that the snow has melted. They encounter Raine and Genis and after a brief sigh of relief they explain the situation in Flanoir. After the explaination he agrees to help Emil, Marta and Tenebrae with their journey and hopefully they will find Lloyd again. They return to Flanoir, after hearing from Genis that the Accessory Shop Owner there took Glacies' Core, to ask the owner about the core, only to find out that his son returned it to the temple when no one would buy it, but Regal was suspicious about the old man's words but he and the others went back to the temple to confirm it. Once inside Regal tells them that the Temple was the home of Celsius, but a friend of his made a pact with her and was still with his friend. After Marta got separated from the group, and some large chunks of ice fell from the ceiling, Emil and Regal were cornered by the Vanguard, but after defeating them he used his chi power to break through the ice blockade. He explained to Emil that he once killed the woman he loved with his hands and vowed never to use them as weapons of death again. He and Emil try to save Marta from Richter Abend only to be stopped by Aqua and failed to save her in time. However, it was later seen that Regal's friend, Sheena Fujibayashi, saved Marta with an Igaguri ninja technique and he was not only happy to see her again, but to see Marta unharmed as well. After hearing from Sheena that the family who runs the accessory shop in Flanoir are Vanguard imposters, they decide to ask the real accessory shop owner, who gladly tells them as payment for saving their lives, that he went to Meltokio to sell the core, so Regal, Emil, Marta, Tenebrae and Sheena to Meltokio. What do you think, too much? This was only for Chapter 4 alone.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:17, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

speculation?
What speculation did i wrote in the centurions page? when the centurions are asleep, nature's balance is thrown into chaos. Ventus dormant state was the one responsible of the wind in Asgard and the monsters on the stone dais, tonitrus caused the thunderstorms in sybak and affected the interior of the temple of lightning, iselia also suffered drops on the temperatures because ignis power is working on reverse and finally Solum caused the earthquakes in meltokio and ultimately collapse on the interior of the temple of earth. Also when lumen was asleep lake Sinoa (the lake where Luin is) dried up. If Ratatosk stays asleep (alongside with his centurions) nature will be thrown of balance and destroy the world. Ratatosk alongside the Centurions manages the world mana levels by using monsters and distribute mana all over the world. By keeping their ties with monsters Ratatosk regulate the mana. It seems that the centurions page lacks these details. --Juan Ma (talk) 00:28, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

"It is speculated that Colette Brunel and Zelos Wilder may be safe as well because they are the Chosen, but it is unexplained." The rest was because of your grammar. Moviebaby (talk) 00:38, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

And what about the triet page? is official and the game state that. --Juan Ma (talk) 01:13, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

Marta Lualdi
Do you need me to explain, in full detail, Marta's history in Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World? I played the game 5 times, beat it four. I know how the story goes, I know every detail. Please, trust me with this.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:37, September 17, 2012 (UTC)