User talk:Vlworr

hello wikia!!
hi, i'm a new user of aselia.wikia

I was the one who was writting and expanding the articles of the Entelexeias and Belius(just in case).

I only have played Tales of Symphonia, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World and recently Tales of Vesperia. I'll be helping editing in those three games.

All of these new pages that you keep making
I'd like to see you stop making so many new articles. If you are going to create them at all, they should be as complete and detailed as possible, so we don't have to go through and fix any errors. Instead, I would prefer to see you add to any existing pages to update what information might be missing or incorrect. There are so many pages that already exist that need someone to fix them, and each time you create a new one, you add MORE of those pages instead of decreasing our workload by fixing the ones that are already there.

So please, stop creating new pages unless you have enough text to warrant the existance of a new page. I don't want to have to keep following your new pages to correct their formatting or add stub notices, because that is taking time away from my capacity to do the same thing that I want you to do: fix the pages that already exist. I'd rather see red links for pages that don't exist, than dozens of new pages with so little content that I'd be tempted to delete them as spam.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 20:30, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Two years later and nothing has changed. I am not impressed. Take the hint: stop making new pages.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 06:01, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Juan Ma, you're more than welcome to submit your information to me beforehand, and if I am able to edit and conjure enough additional information sufficient for a page, then I will create it myself. When you create the pages, it usually means I am forced to go in immediately and attempt to correct everything. Not to mention, others try to correct it at the same time, ruining my edits. Anyway, submit your information to me instead of creating pages. If it's not enough, I will keep it until we have more. Moviebaby 19:50, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Grammar etc.
Please verify your grammar/spelling/syntax before posting. Even a simple grammarcheck/spellcheck with a word processing utility is enough if you are not proficient with the English language. Or at the very least, try to read over what you are about to post before clicking that "Publish" button, so I don't have to keep reading and fixing the pages for you.

That is all.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:22, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

New proyect
I have noticed that many articles need images for the reader be more interested. So I'll try to ilustrate some of them. If anyone have any idea, comment, suggestion or anything please let me know. --Juan Ma 04:27, April 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm getting tired of this. First of all, where are you getting your images from? The Nephry image is in a style I am unfamiliar with, and fanart is not allowed here. If it is an official image, what site are you getting it from? The same question goes for all of your other images - are they screenshots from your own games, or are they copied from someone's Youtube videos (copyright violation) or someone's blog (copyright violation)? Certain sites are okay, and I want to make sure you are getting images from them and not randomly picking things off the Internet without permission of the owners of those images.


 * Second, VERIFY YOUR GRAMMAR AND SPELLING. It's as if you just post whatever you want, and then you don't bother to read over what you added. Many of these errors of yours could be seen just by looking at the page after you submit your edits, and it happens so frequently that I can't fathom how you don't notice such simple mistakes. Again, if you have problems with English, any word processing program like MS Word or Open Office Writer works wonders to catch anything that isn't colloquial.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:02, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Response
The images of fimbulvetr, Chronic Angelus Crystallus Inofficium, gigant mohs, Healing Circle are images from videos that I recorded some while ago. The only image that is from a fanpage is Anise's Dying Moon. Regarding the one from Nephry, is from the Tales Of the Abyss TV Anime Art Book. The ToA's official anime came with that book. I post now that link: <>.

Regarding to the grammar, i'm new in the english world since i'm latin american (I'm sorry if you believed I'm from the US, England or any country where his official language is english since the Tales Of franshise is marketed specially to Japan, China and USA). I'm terribly sorry if I made you mad, and I'll try to be more more carefull on that aspect.

Note: the link it's in spanish. To see the images just click on the spoilers in case you don't speak spanish. If you look carefully you can notice that the same image from Mohs is also the one from on the article of Aselia.wikia page, only cropped. --Juan Ma 04:10, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reminder
Always cite your images. If you upload anything, ANYTHING AT ALL, provide a link of where you took the images from. Because I always have reason to believe that the things you and others uploaded are copyrighted materials, I had to search for their source myself, and I seem to recall that this was one of the images I had deleted before. Upon finding the original image (without being cropped, shame on you), I see that it is signed by a fan artist, meaning that it is the property of that person and we are not allowed to display such things on this wiki. Must I remind you that all fan art is forbidden on this wiki? If this is an honest mistake on your part, at the very least you should have provided a cited link, because now I have no reason to believe otherwise due to how the image had been cropped.

Do not upload any other fan artwork onto this wiki. If you want to upload proper images that are acceptable for this site, please cite where you obtain the pictures from, so there will be no problems with crossreferencing where they might have come from. It makes my work much easier if you cite things.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:22, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Your Writing
I'm not trying to be rude in asking this, but is English your first language? Because it doesn't seem so. You have a lot of information to write, which is great, but the reason Mayu gets upset with you creating pages is mainly because of your writing style and deviance when it comes to the Manual of Style, forcing us to correct it. The same instance occurs when you add to existing pages. Don't get me wrong, it's a great thing that you are contributing, as not many do, but please break up your information into paragraphs so that it is not all crammed together in a wall of text. Then, your grammar. Please use commas where necessary, such as when separating a prepositional phrase from the rest of the sentence or combining two complete sentences. Do not use contractions, meaning "do not" instead of "don't". Do not use parentheticals (parenthesis like this). Check your spelling! There are several helpful tools on computers to remedy bad spelling. If any of this confuses you, please ask for help from someone. Moviebaby 05:18, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

This is beginning to become a problem, Juan Ma. Both Mayu and I have asked you to work on your writing style and grammar mechanics, but you fail to do so. I don't like having to go behind each of your edits and fix these things. In fact, the more you do it, the less lenient I am when it comes to keeping your content, forcing me to write it myself. Follow the Manual of Style and utilize tools on your computer to help. The main problem I'm noticing now is sentences that don't even make sense. If I can't understand it, then the reader most likely can't understand it as well. This is very important. Please adhere. Moviebaby 05:03, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Adding to these comments for emphasis. Moviebaby 16:09, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Cool.
Thanks a lot.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:39, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Images
It feels weird coming to you without having to complain about something, but I've noticed you are one of the few users to provide images on this wiki, which you have stated are your own. There are many geographical Symphonia and Abyss articles that could use images. Since you provided images for several Legendia articles, I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. Moviebaby (talk) 05:32, August 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I just need to point this out. Even if the images are stated to be your own, you should say so on -every- image upload within the Summary section, so that this information can be noted. Part of why I recently uploaded those Legendia magazine scans is to show a relevant format of describing the image content and citing its source, as well as stating if it has been edited from its original format. It's good that you have been categorizing images but you need to do more than that. Give a brief overview of the content, even if it is a sentence fragment, just to state what the image is and to provide relevant links to topics which the image is related to.


 * And to answer what had been asked on my talk page, so that I don't have to make another post on this matter, the text on those scans is too small and illegible to read, otherwise I would translate it myself. Needless to say, the images show the shape of the world, first when land came into being by Orerines terraforming (following the shape of the game logo), then the effects of continental drift/erosion/other natural effects, then the historical Cataclysm which ate a huge chunk of land, giving the landmass of Shining Blue its current shape. I put the images here so that someone else can crop and integrate them into the articles in a seamless way, since the content exists and should be used.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:22, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Just I just wanted to know if there is somewhere were can i find the translated sources that Mayu posted weeks ago from legendia perfect guide, similar to Yulia Yue page filled with canon material. Regarding my images, i am working now on some Vesperia (thanks to Winxfan1 initiative on our previous discussion). I stopped working on Legendia for now since i finished my projects on mind regarding that game due some missing articles such as the Bridge or the Forest of no Return. Later I will work on Symphonia, Dawn of the New Word and finally Abyss. However trying to capture every relevant aspect from those games with images is A LOT FOR ME ALONE (weary and tiresome). Thanks to Miphares, he improved some images with better images, such as the ones at the ones in the Rite of Feriyen and Werites Beacon. I really appreciate his work. Leaving aside that topic, weeks ago when I was reading Zamaran page I was wondering if the image at the chart is genuine and not fanmande. I googled the image and i steeped on this site and, on my perspective, contains information from legendia's perfect guide as canon material from the game and seems to be affiliated to a Bandai Namco page. This page, written on Japanese, talks about the St. Korunea kingdom (assuming my translation is correct) which is Norma's country. If the page really contain true canon information from the game i would like to add this on the Shining Blue page. If anyone could confirm this i would appreciate it (is not mandatory)

And finally: sorry for my grammar/mistakes and feel free to talk with me. See you later. --Juan Ma (talk) 07:44, August 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, that site is in no way affiliated with Tales Channel. It is an atwiki - look at the url! An atwiki is a 2ch-sponsored user-contribution website which uses a different type of wiki software. I am very familiar with this particular site since it is, again as the url indicates, a dictionary of Tales terms from throughout the whole series, and there is some arte-based info on here which cannot be found on Matukin, which I generally prefer to use as a resource. But I do consider JP wiki sites to be useful sources of info -when cited- as long as the info can be verified with other material on hand, such as statistical data. In terms of informational content which is not present in the game, I would rather have info gathered directly from the relevant Perfect Guide, Official Complete Guide, Drama CDs, and novelizations/manga for each game, or manual third-party translations thereof.


 * What irritates me is that you think this site is official or affiliated with Teichan, and that you think you can understand the text when you are probably using a machine translation. If you can't translate something, move on and do something else with your time. Yes, all of our Legendia character images are official because they come from its Official Complete Guide, which you will notice also has images in the same style for other chars on one of the scans that I uploaded from that guide. So the relevant info probably comes from there, just like how the Auldrant timeline stuffs come from the Abyss Perfect Guide, excluding the history relating to Yulia which derives from the Abyss novels, which also contains content regarding the story of Tear training under Legretta, and Jade/Saphir/Peony/Nephry's youthful hijinks.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:24, August 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * To cut my rant short, let me just say this. If any fan art is uploaded, I will know, and I will delete them instantly. Or if I do not know, I will definitely grill the uploader about sources and what our policies are. I am -always- watching the Recent Changes log. The Legendia images are valid, though they still require brief descriptions, citations, and categories like every other image upload. As for translating the content from the various guides and other canon materials, why are you so focused on this? It is more important to flesh out the articles that can be fleshed out using standard game resources, so we can get rid of the pages which are still useless stubs. Norma's origins, for instance, can be looked into after the page for Nerifes is written in a way that justifies the page's existence. Just compare the two pages! Which needs more work, and which can be ignored so that more focus can be given to other pages? You can expand existing decent articles if you have the info on hand, but since you don't, stop prying for translations and just work on something else.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:46, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Somebody help?
I want to expand the Krityans page, but my grammar has flaws so what do you think about this?:

The Krityans were originally the ancient Geraios civilization in Tales of Vesperia, as well as the creators of the blastia. One of the party members, Judith, is a Krityan.

Appearance and personality
Krityans are characterized by their peculiar and somewhat revealing outfits, along with their pointed ears that make them stand out amongst humans. Judith refers the Krityans as easygoing, unafraid, dreamers and optimistic; making them as unique individuals. Nowadays most Krityans vows to live in harmony with nature, especially respecting the volume of aer of the world. Krityans posses’ unique abilities that human don’t possess. One of them is the ability to communicate telepathically with any Entelexeia they have met before, regardless the distance between then. Also they possess a power known as the nageeg that reveals the stories hidden in objects as long as they recite the proper incantation to do so. Also Krityans are very intelligent beings. Referred as sages in the past, they created the blastia and also the Hermes Blastia

History
Before the game begins the Krytians founded the Geraios Civilization. Considered as stewards of wisdom and ancient sages, the Geraios was were the one the ones that developed blastia on Terca Lumireis. The blastia they created granted humanity numerous blessings, but also blighted the aer, lifeblood of this world. Because of the development of blastia, the hunting of Entelexeia needed to produce blastia through apatheia and the environmental impact on the levels of aer of Terca Lumireis, a great mass of aer threatened to swallow the very planet whole. The blight grew ever stronger and brought forth a cataclysm. Among the terror generated, they gave a name to the cataclysm: the Adephagos The world united to challenge the Adephagos, and banished the loathsome power which created it. By hearing the world’s prayers, life faded from the Child of the Full Moon and his power was used to create Zaude, a giant barrier blastia that protected the world from the Adephagos After sealing the Adephagos, their ancestors decided to abandon the blastia and sever their ties with the outside world. By lifting Myorzo with the aid of the Entelexeia Krones, they raised the city into the skies.

Questions, comments, ideas, suggestions? --Juan Ma (talk) 16:33, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

Mystic Arte Cut-ins.
You think you can get the Mystic Arte cut ins for Raven and the four beast blades? (Winxfan1)

I am working now on Symphonia and Dawn of the New World respectively, later i will work with Abyss. As you requested, vesperia will come at last. In the aselia image's database you can find some cut-ins such as Captain Schwann's blast heart version, Rita's Ancient Catastrophe and other mystic artes. Also regarding mystic artes images, the manual of style says ''On individual arte pages, particularly on pages that relate to attacks that involve cut-in images such as mystic artes, an actual image of the attack in action is far more preferred than an image of the cut-in itself. Cut-in images belong within the gallery sections of the character's article.'' For me in particular, mystic artes can be somewhat difficult cause they require great timing to take the picture. I had a hard time with Alice's Fimbulvetr, since it can be difficult to determine the scene that best describe the mystic arte. --Juan Ma (talk) 16:33, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

What about Droite and Gauche's Mystic Arte: Impact Cross? And the Four Beast Blades are the new antagonists in Xillia: Agria, Presa, Jiao and Wingall. Each of them has a Mysic Arte cut-in.

Remember, there are two versions of Luke's Mystic Arte cut-in, and the Nebilim Replica has seven Mystic Arte cut-ins. And the Blast Heart Mystic Arte had two versions: Schwann's and Raven's.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 17:07, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Xillia I don't have PS3 (so no Xillia images for now). I may get an image for Impact Cross. The rest mystic artes not for now. You may find the cut-ins at google images, if you take them from those just state the source where you obtained it. For more details check the Manual of Style.--Juan Ma (talk) 17:26, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

Image resquest for Symphonia and Dawn of the New World
For these two game, which images do you people suggest for me to upload? These images must be plot relating situations, events, character images, locations, or even side quest. Note: I do not accept battle style images such as artes or mystic artes for now. Any question, comment, ideas or suggestions are accepted regarding the matter --Juan Ma (talk) 21:56, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Last Warning

 * Furthermore, by copyrighted images, I am referring specifically to those images which have a watermark, or screenshots that come from the multitude of Let's Play or Retsupurae videos on Youtube, or assembled/animated sprite rips which are possibly the most significant issue among artists in the English Tales community.

I'm sure you recognize that I am referring specifically to Let's Play screenshots. The website where you are gathering many of your images are from lparchive.org. THEY WILL BE DELETED. I actually have not been paying attention to the places you got the images from, but see, THIS is why I require sources, so that I know which ones deserve to be deleted, and apparently EVERY image you added to this wiki must be deleted indeed. I should have caught this earlier. I blame myself. I hate myself. Because now I must do all of this work to purge your images because they are -not- your images. I told you this before: get images only from your own game or anything on the public domain. Blogs that are not based on news, or any site that relies on other content that is derived from others' personal use, such as videos or collections of images used to describe a Let's Play story, these are not to be allowed here. And you, dear, are perpetrating horrors of the magnitude that forces me to have to go through every image and edit to add them to articles, remove them manually, and somehow make sure you understand that you are getting images from the wrong places, as in any place that is not your own game. But you didn't listen to me before, and you probably will continue to do this again as soon as I look elsewhere.

The solution? Simply stop uploading images. It's easier for you, it's easier for me, it's a valid use of the wiki resources. Win-win-win situation. Failure to do this the right way causes a lose-lose-lose situation. I told you and others the right way before. You ignored me. Now I will make sure your images never existed. And that means -every- image you uploaded that dates back to September 12, 2012, based on the upload log records. Unfortunately, this is not something that I want to waste my time on today, but you must be assured that I will personally delete your images uploaded since that time and revert any insertions into any article, so that you will not do this again. If you will continue to upload images, make certain you cite where they come from so that I can verify their eligibility for this wiki. Anything that comes from lparchive, Crunchyroll, Neoseeker, GameFAQs, and personal blogs are not allowed. Use your own game, or anything that is available on official sites, or failing that, that's when you start to look into images available through our affiliates. And everything must be cited along the way.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:01, October 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Meh, I took the time to nuke them all just now anyway, since it was on my mind and could not be forced out of my mind. It only serves as a reminder to me to sweep through every single image, replace each of them with valid images gotten through my own means unless they already have a source provided, rewrite the image description per the format I use for my existing uploads, categorize them in -all- applicable groupings instead of just "gameplay images", rename the file names themselves to follow a systematic naming scheme, and finally alter their use on the articles proper to point to the new name. I started a long time ago with one group of images, but it's so time consuming that I would rather work on something informative like text for content and resource pages.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:09, October 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sigh, sorry, I spazzed out and overreacted. I should have asked you if you got permission before exploding the images... I just assumed you did not since you showed nothing to show me to be wrong until just now. Kindly show that sort of thing in advance so there are no questions that need to be raised later. I will revert everything I did last night to remove the images while I have the time. Let's see if my anti-delete power will restore graphic files or not, since I never tried to use it before.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:59, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

I know we had our differences in the past regarding my grammar flaws, but a good wikia also need visual aid (specially the ones centered on videogames). Mother Teresa of Calcutta once said: ''I do what you can not, and you do what I can not. Together we can do great things''. You are skilled in writing, me on images; so lets make peace. That's why i'm mostly focusing on images rather than fleshing pages as you constantly request. I am well aware about the sections of the Manual of Style regarding images, so I just wanted a second opportunity due to the frustration i caused to you long time ago. So as repayment I will be working mostly on images. However as i told you before, since I wanna cover the aspects of every game i own in images, that task requires so much effort for me alone. For that reason I mailed Iparchives and wdarkk for authorization. I managed to contact wdarkk since he made a great work and it turned out that he consulted Aselia for his goals. That was possible because of you and your "cold and harsh" scolding (worse than Raine, Jade and Tear combined. No offence) that tries to improve this page.

Also there are some missing images such as zelos, regal and presea official concept art, could you restore them since i don't have the ability to do it? --Juan Ma (talk) 04:07, October 5, 2012 (UTC)