User talk:Mayu Miyuki/Archive 3


 * This is an archival of all discussions on Mayu Miyuki's user talk page througout the first half of the year of 2010. These conversations are considered to be closed - if you wish to leave a reply to any of these posts, please leave your comment on the original page.

Tales of Eternia Online arte/item lists?
I decided to do a bit of searching for any possible data for ToEO, which is obviously very hard to do after the only decent JP wiki closed down over two years ago. After some agressive google-fu, I came across an archive of a Futaba/2ch style BBS site, on which one person posted what seems to be complete lists of artes and +skills, weapons, equips, consumable tools, and what I think/hope are materials.

Then again, these lists are nothing more than lists of names. There is no data attached to these things, like the usual level or TP costs, but it's something. A marvelous amount of something, given the circumstances. This is the most complete thing that I have found anywhere on the Internet, but it is, of course, a listing of things on what amounts to a typical forum or imageboard. Still, I don't see any reason to question what is here, as long as it's cited for what it is. I imagine we might be able to observe TP costs and hit counts from watching the videos that exist on Youtube and Nico Nico, as few as they are, but that could give us erroneous data. (Search "TOEO" on moontube for a decent number of party videos.)

Yes, I did all of this searching instead of completing the Graces stuff I was committed to working on just last week. Perhaps I'm showing my short attention span again, but those Graces title pages require too much effort... and this is new and interesting! Just to be complete, I want to make at least the arte lists for the five classes, despite the dozens of "?" that are bound to fill the tables. I mean, ToEO is the only game that has received no love whatsoever on this wiki, naturally ignoring the far more obscure mobile games, and I want to give some representation to the only PC-Windows Tales game in existance.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:42, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Need Help
Nathbud789 again if you everyneed help looking up info just leave me a message. Think of this as a way of fixing my error of new articles too much. If you think I should add one just let me know because until then I ain't doin no new ones. Peace out!

No Status Effects?
Just out of curriosity is it a good idea to delete that random new page? There are many different effects in each game and just wanted to know why it seems "obvious" if you could leave a message on my page that would be awsome-Nathbud789


 * Rather than spread out a conversation across multiple pages again, I'll answer you here. Status ailments are not consistent throughout all of the games - specific games have specific conditions or bonuses, some of which do not appear in other games, such as Penetrate, Flash, and Downsize. This sort of information should be listed on the page dedicated to the battle systems in the full series, as it does not warrant a separate page for itself.


 * Furthermore, what you did post is nothing more than a generic sentence that adds nothing that wouldn't be common sense to people who are genuinely interested in the topic, hence the "obvious" nature of what you posted. It's no different from spam, and it will be deleted immediately.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:21, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Destiny and Eternia
Hello I just wanted an opinion if you would recommend Tales of Destiny(PS1) and Tales of Eternia(Tales of Destiny 2). I have every other tales game in America other than these hard to find games. Sure I'd like to play the PS2 version of destiny but I only understand a few japanese words and I don't import. If you could put a message on my talk page that would be awesome. Sincearly - Nathbud789


 * I will always recommend any Tales game, even the mediocre ones like Tempest, perhaps (and I still enjoyed Tempest!). Penamesolen already posted a page where I gave my thoughts about Eternia, but it doesn't hurt to repeat how I think Eternia is an excellent game, and one of the best of the series. And as for the original Destiny, it's an okay game, not particularly memorable considering all of the RPGs that were out at the time. The story in its original form is rather lackluster, and the plot twists are obvious. Characters aren't very well developed compared to later Tales games, which is a major problem in a series that values character interaction. But its battle system basically represents the true origin of the LMBS (Phantasia SNES is drastically different, and much closer to Star Ocean's battle systems due to the whole Wolfteam/tri-Ace thing), and if you can stand giant head sprites and spell pauses like in Phantasia, then this game will be no problem.


 * There's nothing else for me to say, just get the games and play them for yourself. Form your own opinions, and don't rely on others to make your gaming choices for you.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 19:07, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

You've an administrator (sysop)!
Okay, you know have the same administrative privileges that I have, besides adding other users to special users groups. There should be help pages on the wiki or around somewhere to tell you how to do things. Hope this helps.--Imaginationac (talk) (requests) (email) 23:36, January 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Congrats, Mayu! --Zackheart 20:27, January 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I can't help but extremely agree with this motion. Congratulations indeed, Mayu. All the more reasons for me to keep the small amount of gruntwork I do. Let's hope you make the wiki shine. [=
 * Omio(talk)¹²: You say that the Gary Sue is first, yet the not-so-bad character isn't on the poll? WTF, NAMCO?! 20:14, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

ToEO Icons
Crap Mayu, I forgot the "ToEO - " preface on all of the images I just uploaded. I think admins can move files, so if you can move them to the right name I'd be very grateful. Lanate (talk) 00:03, January 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I kinda wish there was a batch function, but it's done now. I didn't even realize I had a move option for files, so I think I'll be making some use of it to clean up the images and unused file categories sometime later this week.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:29, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Now you can tell me what to do next!
Okay, so I'm done with the attack and support skill lists for Tales of Eternia Online, and since I'm ignoring the passives for now, I'm open to work on a pretty wide range of things here. What are my options? Roughly in order of interest:


 * Take your usual month-long break already, Mayu! Stop working so hard to make me feel bad... ;_;
 * update the Tales of Hearts arte pages (rewrite the source code, redesign the tables to be like Shing's page, add in or fix a LOT of missing and wrong info that continues to serve as an oft-cited example of why people think this wiki is a terrible place)
 * update the Tales of Eternia arte pages (rewrite the source code, add JP names into section headers, even though these pages really don't need to be worked on at all)
 * sort moar images into proper categories to prepare for a future deletion/renaming spree!
 * finish the (existing) Tales of Graces alias pages (translate and add more stuff so we might have them done by the time a localization comes)
 * update the Tales of Vesperia arte pages (fix the pages I didn't finish and upload due to being lazy (Rita/Karol/Raven/Judith, maybe FlynnBox360? I forgot), resulting in someone adding in the new PS3 artes months later using the outdated source code while the work I did finish goes partially to waste!)
 * do the ToEO passives anyway!

In before only one person replies.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 20:00, January 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, you really deserve a month break after all you've done for this wiki that's for sure, so if you did that, nobody here would complain (maybe except those who are lost without your advices, like me :P). I'd mostly suggest that, after the break, if you really want to take one of those options, it should be some of the newer ones. Eternia Online is shut down, so it can wait for now, but, as you said, it would be easier if Graces' pages were ready for a possibly loalization (just in case that magazine actually speaks the truth, which doesn't make sense because Europe hardly would do that because of the money). But, you decide, really. I still think that you should take a break if you want to.


 * And if I wasn't supposed to answer, I'm sorry, I just took the title as I could.


 * Penamesolen 20:20, January 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Normally I'd suggest the Eternia or Hearts stuff, but really, I think you deserve a break, since you've been doing alot lately. But like said above, it's ultimately up to you. So uh, good... luck? Bah, I'm no good at this.

--Zackheart 20:24, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Go ahead through that chart, and don't worry about double-redirects - I'm usually about fixing them when I get a chance to - if I'm not working on the regular ToE stuff. That's if you don't want to stop at all. IMO, I agree with the other two in taking a break. Putting up THAT much content is a pain in the arse.
 * Omio(talk)¹²: You say that the Gary Sue is first, yet the not-so-bad character isn't on the poll? WTF, NAMCO?! 20:17, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Reply to comment on User Page.
It's okay. Even minor flaws have to be fixed. It's only a part of my role.

I have it there so I can test ideas I have in wiki markup - because I'm still massively learning it. As is, I'm using the 'small' tag for the first time here.

It's due to be expanded. That's why I still have it under my username space. When it's ready to be launched into the public, I'll ask you first anyways - I'm not about to make something that isn't good to use. =]

Skills, Artes, Techs, there's a whack of names depending on the game, but I'll keep to whatever game it is, in consistency - if I ever manage to actually make a whole technique page. My skill and luck says 'no', but you can't count your chickens before they hatch.

Penamesolean is intending on getting rid of the template she has up when she gets Microsoft Word again - which is why I just backed it up, and accredited her. As I said earlier, I'll probably not really use it much, if at all, bar for maybe reference. Just tag me when you have an official rule/template up, and I'd be happy to murder it.

Alright, I'll remember to ask people from now if if I want to link something like that. =] [Going to go off to pester Penamesolen about the template thing.]

Yeah, see, I had no idea of the EXISTANCE of the poll. And I'm more of making an RP-ing bash, and I decided to stick to Tales of Characters. My intended bash is that 'Almost everyone likes people that are uber-powerful and horrible to withstand.' And I'm trying to find a good character that's not on the poll, and is a playable character, but is weak in comparison to almost anyone else on the poll. Keele and Reid are on the list, though, so I'm happy - though Reid's a bit moddy. =/

...Yes, I'm a fan of Keele. >_>'

Omio(talk)»Belt«: You say that the Gary Sue is first, yet the not-so-bad character isn't on the poll? WTF, NAMCO?! 15:23, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but this makes my page too long. Can you just keep discussions confined to one page, instead of bouncing back and forth between two users' pages? I'd say these things on your page, but I'm not going to delete something that is already posted on my talk page, and I'm not going to drag these words to your page myself. Context be damned.


 * My entire point was to stop worrying so much about infrastructure, and actually do something in terms of contributing to the pages that exist. If resources within the wiki do need to be listed, the forum is a better place for it, so ALL of us can contribute to it, rather than just having one user who hasn't done anything since August of last year to compile everything himself. But the resources listings already exist at that Special Pages link, so what's the point? Instead, worry about the actual content articles, or help out with any of the things I have listed in the previous section on my talk page.


 * Everything else, I'm just not going to reply to it for the sake of emphasizing the last sentence of the previous paragraph.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 18:47, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * @Omio: Actually, my school computer has Windows, so I could have taken off the whole arte-whatever ever singe September. I just figured out that it was easier working with the arte pages with the layout from here instead from my Windows-page, so I kept it and decided to be too lazy to take away the notice about deleting it.


 * Penamesolen 21:43, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. Then I'll remove the duplicate on my namespace and the links to it, then. >_>' Feel free to snip this convo out, Mayu. I'll make a subspace for long conversations so no other page gets swamped. [Whoops. ^^;]
 * Omio(talk)»Belt«: You say that the Gary Stu is first, yet the not-so-bad character isn't on the poll? WTF, NAMCO?! 15:59, January 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not that the conversation itself is too long, conversations are like that. But the text was posted elsewhere already, and duplicating it here just speeds up the amount of time this talk page will last before I have to make a third archived link at the top of this page to allow myself to clear the current page. I'd like to have that done on a yearly basis if at all possible. I am not going to delete full discussions on any page, that's bad for archival.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:02, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Who is Rimul?
I figure I'd ask you since you have a good knowledge of the series. Just who is she. I've seen several videos with Kyle fighting her. User:Nathbud789 3:44 P.M, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Kyle's cousin from Lienea, daughter of Lilith and some guy from Neuestadt who married her in one of the Drama CDs for Destiny PSX. She is the inheritor of Lilith's original fighting style and Light-elemental affinity, directly influencing Yuan's abilities in the next game in the series. She fights Kyle during the final stage of the arena at Neuestadt in Destiny 2, and she even receives a cut-in in the PSP version of the game. To be honest, she doesn't have any relevance in the story whatsoever, and her presence in the game is a reference of Lilith's abilities before she was turned into a silly joke character in Destiny PS2. But I love Rimul for that, and she is by far the most unrecognized character with any fighting ability at all in the series.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:12, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

hey
yeah sorry about that ^^; i was thinking of making a blog on him idk now ><

ToH - Support Artes
When you said "There goes any motivation I might have had to do anything else.", did you mean that you're not going to fix the page anymore or that you're focusing on it? Because I was just working on an update that fixes all of the mistakes and I don't want to edit conflict. So please tell me you haven't been working on it because I'll get very sad. Lanate (talk) 05:37, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't do anything else with the page. Just the code updates and missing numbers.


 * The motivation is more of an "in general" type of thing.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 06:22, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

LBP Cress
So you don't have to delete another page, yeah, I think it should be deleted. There's no "Tales"-type pack to download at the moment. Lanate (talk) 03:12, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for welcoming me
Thanks for the welcome. I'll be sure to let you know when I need to know something about editing, but for right now I'm sticking to minor editing (fixing spelling errors and whatnot).

Edit: Ok, there is something you could help me out with. I apparently don't know how to make a proper signature, heh. Whoops.

Edit^2: Wow, I'm so stupid. It even says how to do it at the top of the editing page. Thanks, though! Mario0672 18:06, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

New Wiki
Hi Mayu I just started a new wiki of my own recently: A Tatsunoko vs Capcom one and I just wanted to know how does it get on to the internet. I can edit some of the articles on my own but I will need others help. Even though I'll be working on my wiki I'll still be around here. If you want pay a visit sometime the address will be right here.

User:Nathbud789 19:44 2/9/2010 (UTC)


 * I never tried to create a wiki myself, so I don't know how to publish a wiki site from scratch. You will have to ask the people at Wikia Central for more info, because I cannot help you with this. As a site administrator, you should already know how to contact them. And have fun with your new wiki!


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:50, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism
Damn I got the same sort of message from FFwiki just two days ago. About what's been going on with all the vandalism going on from the I.P I use, just so you know that's my schools I.P address so it is shared by the entire school. I often edit from my web page class and if the vandal edits happen right after I edit there is a chance that someone either next to me or in the row behind me sees me edit the site and goes vandalizes the article I previously just edited. I guess to avoid this problem I just have to edit from home now.

If you or any of the members of the aselia community have anymore vandalism problems from my schools I.P just ask a wikia administrator to block it, I won't care. --Lloyd Irving' 04:11, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you for replying to this quickly. I'm just going to block the IP now so we won't have any more problems in the near future.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 04:52, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Shattered Dream?
Sorry but it seems Dhaos never made it to King~ Hahahah! ... Hah... e__o I hope he wasn't your dream Tales guy, as he was my friends, and that I have not shattered any dreams you may have had of him ruling Kharlan. Teehee... (I'm just teasing. <3)

I actually have... a crazy little theory on who the actual King of Bifrost might of been though. This is all speculation. But I always imagined Sekundes to be Dhaos' father. Not only for his appearance. But for one, he is more powerful. And second. His outfit... You see those red sashes around his arms? They are worn by the ruling figures in Derris Kharlan. Even Norn wears them (but green) around her arms aswell. (And what if Norn is Dhaos' mom?! D8 Oh noes! ... That is a bit too far fetched even for me though. xD)

Sanatosu 23:13, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ahahaha... no. I'm not a fan of crack theories at all. I believe the canon materials specifically state that there were (at least) three major powers on Derris Kharlan, and the two largest powers went to war with each other using magitechnology-enhanced weaponry and such. If I remember correctly, Dhaos was the king or ruler of the third major country that held neutrality between the three nations, who attempted to bridge the situation as peacefully as possible. The two countries ignored him and proceeded to annihilate each other, and the mana cannon device used by one of the countries depleted all the mana, dooming the planet. Dhaos realized that his planet was effectively dead, necessitating the bloody ritual of sacrifice by his followers and wife, against his wishes, to send him to Aselia with one charge remaining to return back to his planet with a mana seed.


 * My memory might be flawed, but I do think he was a significally important political figure at least. I could dig for those threads if I need to. In any case, my comment about him being "king" only applied to his country on Derris Kharlan and not the whole, and the later "Demon King" moniker was given to him by the people of Midgard after the Valhalla War went into full force during the many years that were cut short by Cless's interference in the timeline. And if I remember correctly, again, that name "Demon King" was only used within Trinicus's diary. Or perhaps it was Mars who said that name during the catacombs scene... actually now that I think of it, the latter seems more likely.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:29, February 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're actually pretty close with that. However, the actual number of countries on Kharlan is not mentioned. And in actuality, it was 2 small countries at war with each other. Dhaos ruled a third country (Bifrost) which was the most powerful in the world. Dios mentions that it can "destroy both Palace Sedamyu and Palace Gudora if they wanted to." when they receive a threat from him, further hinting Dhaos' great power over there. The message itself asked them to stop the senseless killing and to negotiate with Sedamyu. Presumably, from this. I'd say that Gudora was the one provoking the war. Not only that. But when Palace Gudora was destroyed, Dhaos actually seemed relieved the war ended without him needing to interfere. (further hinting at the idea that he may have been in on Sedamyu's favor.) Then comes the mana-technology from Gudora. Blabla. 150,000 killed. Sedamyu was wiped outta the map. Yeah. You seem know this part. Teehee. As for the details of how Dhaos got to earth..... Meh. I don't remember if you're right or wrong. It seems correct though.


 * To be honest. I never actually got past the first boss in Tales of Phantasia. So I wouldn't know anything from it based off any first-hand experience... I always thought that Demon Lord was a title he had bestowed upon himself, like Xex. To make himself sound threatening and so that he could strike fear into his enemies... Haha. Guess ya learn something new everday. On a personal note: I think I should get back to playing Phantasia later... ^^"

Sanatosu 01:10, February 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I appreciate the more detailed explanations and corrections. I do remember something vaguely similar to what you are describing, so at least I can be assured I'm not going mentally impotent. Yet. =P


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:39, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Gameplay Images
Are we dumping them all in there or are there going to be subcategories based on game? I was just about to categorize the Nathbud images. Lanate (talk) 23:40, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * For the cut-in images, there should be three categories: "Cut-in Images", "[game] characters" (to specify the game that the cut-ins come from), and "[character name]". For the battle screenshots, they should all go in the "Gameplay Images" category and the game category that the screenshots come from. I already decided against a subcategory tree for every type of image to separate by game, because that will force us to create far too many small categories that become hard to navigate through.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:29, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Licencing
When uploading an image how do find what the licensing for it is?

--User:Nathbud789 15:17,Febuary 15,2010 (UTC)


 * Rather than worrying about the specific licensing terms, you should state on the summary of every image what site you copied them from. Copyright issues vary based on the type of image, and that's why we need the source and descriptions when you upload them.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 20:29, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Absolute Zero Names

 * Yeah sorry about that I didn't know we were supposed to do that for the fan translated names, if you remember I wasn't on the wiki really since May of last year I bearly came back two weeks ago. Don't worry I'll be sure to do that when I edit the names for fan translated games.
 * --Lloyd Irving' 21:15, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Images
Okay I understand what you mean, but just to clear things up this is the site where I got the Legendia pictures I just used.->

This is where I got the Vesperia PS3 costume pictures at ->

After I downloaded them I either cut the pictures out of the original they were part of or I resized them.--Lloyd Irving' 02:35, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Small Nitpick
Er, I'm not sure if you've changed this since then, but "targetted" is spelled "targeted" as far as I'm aware. I'm not sure if it's a personal quirk or what, but I keep having to edit them when I notice... Lanate (talk) 03:24, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nitpick noted. I'll keep it in mind.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:49, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * That must also be my fault; my Internet doesn't have spell checking, and I was confused at whether it was "targetted" or "targeted". The same happened with "wether" and "whether" a while ago, so I'm sorry if these mistakes are still here.


 * Penamesolen 10:15, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Kanjis for ToV enemy Mystic Artes
Do you got any kanjis I could use for enemy Mystic Artes like Dragon Blade: Infernal Lord and Soaring Raptor Blast. They have pages here but eh, it's not much. :/

Shinkirou 23:59, February 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * This page shows 蛟龍刃「悪路王」 for Tison and 超飛来刃・爆炎斬 for Nan.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:13, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, using that site for reference, I'm setting up an article for the Don. I'm also trying to read out his artes. Are these correct?

衝天 = Shouten 鳳凰の宴 = Houou no En 太刀影 = Tajin'ei 薔薇輪 = Soubirin

Shinkirou 02:39, February 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Tachikage. Everything else is correct, after a quick reference to gameplay videos.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:32, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Living Armor: Editing
I signed up like yesterday and I am going to work on it by tomorrow. I will try to get the facts by that time. From the Symphonia Versions but do required the other appearances of the other Games when I got the Symphonia one in. Sorry, for not mentioning who I am. Though I will do what it takes to finish the page and such.

Tamakaro 22:36, February 18, 2010 (UTC)Tamakaro

Intro so far on Living Armor
Talk:Living Armor

(This is my start I am trying to add description of how he looks like in the tales series etc. Right now I am still working on the intro part. But I will update you of how much I have done.)

Tamakaro 06:23, February 23, 2010 (UTC)Tamakaro


 * I'm deleting the words that already exist somewhere else. Stop trying to "update" me, I don't care, and I read almost every edit on this wiki every day anyway, as much as I hate to be the one to do it. I'll know when you make any changes, so don't waste the space on my talk page for something that I have zero interest in. Leave your comments on that other talk page, don't bother to reply here.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:08, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Graces
Howdy there. Finishing up my play-through of Graces and gonna start on a second one when I get my hands on the glitch-less version. I'll be updating Artes and Alias pages with information when I get the chance, since it lets me keep a good track of what things are in game without having to constantly compare and retranslate things I've already read. My Japanese isn't fantastic by any means though, so there may be some errors with phonetics here and there (though the names otherwise in Japanese should be correct). I just wish the wiki format weren't so ugly. It's very difficult to find things in the formatting when I go to edit =( Hopefully I'll stick around to get some work done. 宜しく

JoeTang 11:06, February 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's great to hear. I kind of stopped updating anything related to Graces now that the arte pages have all of the damage and hit data confirmed. Since no one else seems to be interested in picking up what is still missing, they have been like this for a while, and it's nice to see someone who is interested enough to fill out the remaining blanks.


 * As for the wiki formatting, I agree that the code scripting isn't as optimally designed due to the lack of script templates or that sort of thing, but we don't have any people around here who has prior experience with MediaWiki coding, and I learned several new things along the way as I worked here myself, some of which clears up quite a lot of repetition in the code, as you might see in the edit history of some other pages. It's not something that can be helped without a massive overhaul of editing with the help of someone far more experienced than any of us, so if the formatting of the code confuses you, just keep previewing the page until you find the correct output. Or if there is anything specific that you want to know, please ask me, and I'll help with as much as I know.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:21, February 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm almost done tabling the Aliases that are learned Artes from the Artes pages. All that's left is Malik because I hate him, as a person. I'm planning on adding an additional column or row to the Arte information to add Skills that you can learn from Aliases; i.e. Damage +5%, Cast Time Reduced 4%, etc, since things such as Steal are more important details that I feel shouldn't be left only to the Alias pages which are yet to be dealt with. As the issue I've read about is extensive stretching of the page, I'm afraid I can't really judge that too well as I have a wide-screen monitor so everything but the most absurd sizes are still visible to me. If such is an issue though, perhaps adding an additional row would assist with this instead. Is there some standard we need to meet in terms of maximum width? In terms of display, if we break the Alias Mastery to one number per line, we can also add what Skill each Rank gives on a neighbouring column (or alternatively, list two skills on a single line, though this stretches more width). This does stretch the page horizontally, but it refrains from users having to be redirected to the (currently non-existing) Alias pages themselves to search for what each Rank does. Otherwise, if an additional row could instead add something like superscript or subscript letters to match the bonus given to save horizontal space.


 * As for the Alias lists, I'll attempt working at that next after I finish Malik's Artes, though I may have issues with kanji->romaji. Also, the JP Wikis are missing some information, mostly Skills, so I will be filling that in from my own save file if I reach that point. I'll try to prioritize having all the Aliases up first before editing their Skills.


 * JoeTang 08:14, March 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * We don't exactly have any maximum width standards, but I want to avoid having word wrapping on resolutions higher than 1280x width, including all default Wikia margins from the advertisements and side-menus. It's not a real problem if you set columns to fixed widths, so the page will stretch and prevent word wrapping from appearing on the page. And I feel that extended vertical length is rarely a good option, since it would make each arte entry look so stretched and hard to compare with the other artes around it. That's why I did mention the option of removing the romanized titles to save more horizontal space and reduce the word wrapping possibility, but you're free to take your own approach on the matter.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:05, March 25, 2010 (UTC)==Vesperia PS3 Character FAQ==

As you can see, I'm writing a Character FAQ for Vesperia PS3. It will cover:

- Character artes Localized, Romanji and Japanese. Any that don't appear in the 360 version will appear as NEW! and will left in Romanji/Japanese (localized or not).

- Descriptions for all artes, FS's, Hits, and Elemental Affinities. (Patty will be a pain).

- Flynn is an exception, with him I will only point out the artes you can use for that ONE battle on 360 (and Kouryuu Metsugasou). >_>

- Skills for all characters, same format.

Anything else I should cover? Also should I point out the levels for magic? (low,mid,high?).

I thank all of those who give their input :).

Kyle Kusanagi 06:26, March 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything specific that I can help you with here, beyond the data that is available already here, which you are free to use however you want. Though I didn't actually think about listing the three Fatal Strikes for each character until now... then again they wouldn't have damage/level/hit info so I'm not sure what we can add about them on the arte pages. I don't think we even have a page about the FS system, which seems to be the only place where all 27 of them can be described, as messy as it might sound. We have spells organized by rank for organization, since the game shows which categories each spell belongs to, but you're free to do what you want for your own guide.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:36, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * As a small note, I made a Fatal Strike page but skipped over the individual fatal strikes. It'd look clumsy over there and I figured they'd be best placed on the character pages or something. Lanate (talk) 18:17, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Spoiler Suggestion
Greetings, may I suggest that instead of the cute Colette quote on the spoiler tag, it gets replaced with a "please remove this tag" message? If you feel you are copy/pasting warnings about it, I think that would solve it pretty indefinitely. To be honest, I've never been to the Aselia home page until you said there was a warning there. For all my Aselia searches I just type "_____ aselia" into the browser address bar. --Imperialx5 07:13, March 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, that is a good idea.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:38, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

I shouldn't ask this here, but...
...How do you make the pages such as User:Mayu Miyuki/more stuff, etc.? I've tried to find out, and I might just be really bad at searching, but I was unable to do it. So if you could tell me, I'd be gratefull because I have something I want to test.


 * Penamesolen 23:57, March 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just add the "/whatevergoeshere" to the end of the URL for your base user page. Or, type "User:Penamesolen/whatevergoeshere" into the search box and click on the option to create the page. The wiki just treats it as a separate article that has a link at the top to go back to the original root page.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:05, March 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you very much! -Penamesolen 09:20, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry
I already tried, but it always denyes my password. Sorry.

Quick Note

 * I have been noticing that a few new users have been uploading low quality images that look like they are camera shots or video shots. Do we allow this kind of images on the wiki? I'm just asking, because a lot of the images look really horrible they're really blurry and you can't even see what the images are sometimes. Do we delete them? Also technically isn't that copy right infringement since they're taking the images from the videos without asking the person who uploaded the video for permission?


 * I provided a list of the images I found so far, I have feeling there are some others here. >:(
 * ,, , ,


 * On a unrelated note about what you said on some of the Jay eres pages I worked on got me thinking I shouldn't do arte pages if I don't know how to do the correct format or put in references. To make you be the wiki janitor to clean up my mess isn't right either, sorry about that. I'll be focusing on fixing little errors and expanding/creating ToL character and location pages for the time being. --Misao Smile :) 04:54, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Those very low quality images look like they were taken with a digital camera or cellphone (teehee spirit photography) , and the file names imply that they come from the person who uploaded them. I don't like those pictures either, but it's not copyright infringement since the uploader didn't steal the images from any videos (unless the person pointed his/her camera at a computer screen instead of a television =/ ). Until we can replace them with far better quality images, I'm not going to delete them, but you can take them off the page if you want.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:44, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Keroro RPG
You know, Tales of Keroro, that latest game by NTS that everyone has been ignoring. Including myself. =P

I started to create the usual list-type pages on the Keroro Wiki after asking if the people there would be willing to host this kind of info. Sadly, they don't have an article about the game itself, much less all of the content that goes with it (such as info about that blonde Midorikawa character that highly resembles that one not-blonde guy who wears a pink cape and has a fetish for flan, yep him). Obviously, I'm limiting my focus to the list pages, since all of the information can be found on a typical JP wiki.

Even if it is an easily accessible DS game, I don't have it yet, and I'm not that interested in playing it. But this is a true Tales Studio project, and it deserves the same kind of attention we give to their other games, whether we have played them or not. Still, I don't want this same info to be listed on Aselia, since it's not a Tales game, and all of this info would be extremely out of place if we were to host all of it here.

So, if anyone is willing to lend a hand on translating and collecting info to make more of the list-type pages, then help out by all means! The JP wiki has info for titles for each character (known as "codenames" in this game), along with the standard weapon/item/food/etc. data that you would expect. Each character has 3 passive skills and two "on-screen character" effects (one positive, one negative), so all passive data should be merged onto a single page. Anything that is worth working on already has a link on this navigation template, so you don't have to worry about the page names. Ignore the weirdness of the template itself, unless you know how to fix them using the base templates that are available there. The formatting/coding of these pages should follow our own standards, unless someone at Keroro Wiki gives us specific instructions on how to design the pages.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:10, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
for welcoming me ^_^

I just romanized some katakana... I can't read much Kanji although I finished Graces and other japanese games ^^; But I should've started with the other characters, they're hardly edited at all x_x

I'm not used to the text styles in wikias yet, so please correct me if you spot any mistake >_<

Do you think a list with romanized towns and dungeons would be informative? An aquaintance wrote down all of the names he could read on screen when first entering an area (there's only one missing).

SakuraShinawa 13:16, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * We may eventually have a navigation template to show all locations in Graces, but that might be a project that we won't get to for a while, since only two games have similar location templates at this point. The actual kana and transcriptions would be better off on articles dedicated to each location, again something that seems so far off that I don't want to deal with it yet. So don't worry about it, and focus on what we have for now.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:25, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Newcomer
Helllo I'm recently new to this wiki and you seen to be the person in charge so I just wanted to know if there is anything that needs focusing on. Also if there are any no no's such as uploading certain pictures or any other things just let me know. I remeber some guy from another wiki that got in a little trouble because of that so I just want to make sure.

--TalesExceed 00:12, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome. Our priorities overview can be found here, but the quick summary is that you should focus on character/location/term pages that have little to no content, bad grammar and non-third-person points of view, or general misinformation. These are the pages that matter most, because they are the pages that people come to this wiki to look at, and the sorry state of many of these articles tend to disappoint everyone who comes here. Everything else is secondary, but I don't care about what you and everyone does for the most part as long as you know what you're doing, so no one has to go through all of the pages and fix everything in sight.


 * As for image uploads, our rules are shown here. Basically, anything is okay as long as it isn't fan art or something silly, though preference goes to high quality images that do not come from magazine scans or digital camera photos. All images must be uploaded here, since all off-site links will not display anything due to the way the wiki works. When you upload the image, please add a short summary of the image content and cite its source (an HTML link is fine), so we can be certain that the image is not copyrighted (ie. screenshots stolen off of someone's blog). Videos and non-image content are not allowed at all.


 * If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:01, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

--TalesExceed 01:26, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Tales Fan
I didn't know you are a Tales fan. I also am one. (Is there a "friend" button on wikis?)


 * Cool beans. It's always nice to see more Tales fans, though I think most of us who contribute here are fans of the series by default. You will find many more friends who love the Tales series over at the official Namco Tales forums, if you're looking for others who enjoy the same games. And there is no friend function on this site, sorry.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:37, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

hello
hi sorry about the images i did not play symphonia 2 of phantasia yet so i did not know at the time about this and what two major land masses is missing can you tell me so i will get better images thanks =^.^= --Naruto the hedgehog 20:54, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!
I've been trying to put up the link for the references of those pages for quite awhile now. I a total noob at that stuff. I currently researching some stuff on all of the Tales stuff to improve the pages here. Hope I can get along with you. Once again, thanks a bunch! P.S. I am trying to write Hubert's Ex Passion page but like I said, I am a noob. Any help would be very much appreciated :) .User:Ryan Nocturne 01.00, May 9, 2010

Mortal Winter
You ask why I keep the Mortal Winter page grammatically incorrect. It is because of the nature of arte descriptions. They are not made to be grammatically correct - if you've ever read them in-game, I would assume you would know this. Thusly, I leave them in the same nature on the Wikia page as they are in ToS2. They are not complete butcheries of the English language, they simply follow a pattern preferring direct and indirect objects over subjects.

With all due respect, Aghaene 06:53, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * We follow a strict set of formatting guidelines when it comes to arte pages, and other pages in general throughout this wiki. All articles are expected to follow standard grammar rules for maximum understandability for people who do not have English as their primary language, and sentence fragments and incomplete statements detract from this effort quite a bit.


 * If description text within the game is written in sentence fragments, then that text will be transcribed in the same way within the "In-Game Descriptions and Quotes" sections only. That is not to say that the rest of the page should follow the same style. The actual description of the arte in question requires proper writing, as expected of any other page on this site. Besides, every other arte page that exists at this point shows the same emphasis on proper sentence structure, so I don't see why you would undo just this one page for an obscure arte that only Richter has. If you try to throw about fragmented sentences everywhere, I wouldn't even begin to imagine how incomprehensible a full-length page on any of the classic artes would become.


 * Please follow this wiki's policies. Proper grammar must be pursued wherever possible, so any future contributors understand that the opposite of that is highly discouraged and reverted very quickly, and perhaps we might get some quality edits committed to the articles instead. I hope you understand our views on this issue.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:14, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'm here to help.
Thank you for welcoming me. Anywho, I feel I should contribute as best I can. What I can do for now is fill in missing item info, monster info, location info, and any other info I can think of for ToV 360. I can also capture fair quality screen shots myself so I won't have to get any from other web sites. I am working on other things as well though, so there will be times when I will be active and times when I will not. However, I will try to help in any way possible. If you have any specific requests for ToV 360, I'll see what I can do. Also, when I finally get around to playing ToS, ToS2, and TotA, I'll start working on those too.

--TheMonkeyBob 03:14, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Cool beans. If you can add to the descriptive content articles for the characters, locations, and terms in Vesperia, that would be great. The biggest concern are the pages that currently exist with only one or two mundane sentences that don't describe much as is. This includes articles on the Krityans, Aer Krene, and basically anything else in this category that fails to explain their topic in detail. You can also create new pages for other things that we don't have, if you can say enough about that topic to warrant having a page for it. The same goes for topics that relate to any other game in the series, but preference always goes into fixing existing pages before creating new ones.


 * The list-type pages like weapon lists aren't really much of a concern at this point, but the resale numbers that you are adding are always great to know. I would prefer not to see any other new pages of this type because they do not hold a high priority right now, and these tend to require Japanese knowledge to accomodate the info from the JP wiki sites from which we gather most of our data. I hope you understand.


 * Anyway, thank you for contributing to this wiki. I look forward to seeing you around.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:37, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I understand. Now I guess I should clear a few things up. I have no intension of creating any list-type pages. There is far too many things I do not know in that area due to the amount of Japanese involved. I will only add as much information as I can to already existing pages.


 * As for the more descriptive articles, I will start on locations first (the Aer Krene page in particular bugs me). As for terms and characters, I feel another playthrough in which I take detailed notes is needed. No sense in me editing or creating a page if my info is lacking or incorrect.


 * --TheMonkeyBob 05:49, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Favor

 * Mayu could you do me a quick favor and block this I.P: 95.147.111.157, it's the I.P that vandalized my user page about two days ago. It seems to be coming from the same I.P range as the previous vandal attacks and appears to be the same person since a couple of the edit comments recently have been towards me for some reason. Meh go figure...... --Silent Klarinette'  13:40, June 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I already banned the IP range from 95.147.111.134 to 95.147.115.118, so it's already in the block range.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:45, June 11, 2010 (UTC)