User talk:Mayu Miyuki


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Redone
I deleted my progress chart though now I don't know where else to put it other than here. I changed the gallery format on my user page. It stays. And you never seemed to mind my edits, bad as they were you accepted my Zaphias, Cados and Ghasfarost articles. Plus, I managed to get Vesperia localized descriptions and incantations for some artes. This is a problem. Now I have to start from my file 1. All that progress gone, all because of my stupid actions. I even wrote up a Phaeroh's Crag which you're not gonna like, then again, you never like anything I post. Bottom like, the gallery on my userpage stays.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:56, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * >though now I don't know where else to put it
 * Put it on your computer where we can't see it. Don't put it on Aselia. Make a livejournal account if you're that emphatic about blogging. And stop replying on others' pages and put replies on the section where the conversation is created for the sake of following conversations without shifting back and forth between two pages. It's bad for archival and referencing purposes, and I don't give a damn about what other sites' policies are.


 * >bad as they were you accepted my Zaphias, Cados and Ghasfarost articles
 * They were nuked and rewritten by Moviebaby before I had a chance to nuke and not rewrite them myself. They're essentially the product of Moviebaby's efforts now, but they are not your or anyone's articles, they are Aselia's articles under CC-BY-SA and you forfeit direct ownership of your work once uploaded onto the public domain. And conversely, work that -is- owned must be cited, unless the owner is Namdai, NTS/BNS, etc., since that's a given. I applaud Moviebaby for doing what I had to do for three years by rewriting horribad articles practically from scratch to the point that I may as well have been the one to create the pages on my own, which is why I will forever insist that content page red links should remain as red links while existing pages need to be dealt with. But you forgot that and shit out new pages anyway. Anything else you create, supposing it isn't rewritten from scratch by someone else first, will be nuked.


 * >I managed to get Vesperia localized descriptions and incantations for some artes
 * You managed to do grunt work that no one else is interested in doing, [insert Cirno's hooray.jpg here]. What's more important to me is if you are able to add such descriptions/incantations including Japanese text (romanizations and literal translations can come later) for every single game that a given arte appears in, including spinoff titles, especially JP ones since English quotations/incantations exist everywhere online and are therefore not as vital to be displayed - they only are displayed for the sake of completion, but these pages are to be used primarily as a translation resource. Then upload all of this data in one burst edit with everything added at the same time rather than spanning 2+ edits, along with any other updates that should be integrated due to the constant new games courtesy of the Tales Cycle.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:58, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Moviebaby is on vacation. Most arte pages are newly made so there is not any info from the start any info added, even if it's a little, is progress. The Dahngrest artilcle didn't have any info beyond the party going to Keiv Moc. You sound like you need a vacation too. Also, your verdict about my userpage's gallery?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 04:41, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Edit: Oh, happy new year and here's to the English release of Xill1. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 05:04, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

What am I doing wrong?
I do not understand what you want from me. Now when I write articles I avoid using contractions, I write in present tense unless there is a section called "Past" talking about what a location was like back then, I even warned you about my Mt. Temza article being long. You eleting that I can understand, but my Manor of the Wicked article? I had to get all the details from the story and I did not include an item list because it would be considered playthrough and you guys don't do that. And as for the japanese texts for incantations, can't you get that guy 水のウォーリー to do it? Isn't that what he is here for? And another thing, I put in a new section in the Dahngrest article called "Crisis in Dahngrest" which talks about the events after the death of Belius, and no one has touched it. If you want me to get rid of it just say so. Also, I can work on the monster book for Vesperia, though you'll probably delete it when I post it. I know you have a lot on your plate, but I gave up on the DotNW monster book. All I ask is you consider the offer to have me work on the Vesperia monster book. Since I would be good at that.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:22, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

If you were to work on the Vesperia Monster book, would you take into account all the enemies exclusive to the PS3 version, if there are any? Because I was gonna consider working on it until that came into my mind. I once started a Graces f enemy book article, but I put that on hold since I don't own both the Wii and PS3 version. MabiEditor (talk) 20:00, January 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * STOP CREATING NEW PAGES, AND WORK ON STUFF THAT ALREADY EXISTS. You too MabiEditor. The pages you created had to be redone each time as well, and I'm not happy with changing everything and diverting my attention to do it each time, both of you. Obviously, if the Dahngrest article is incomplete, then I should have nuked it to begin with, but again, the stuff that already existed got rewritten before I was around to delete it. A monster book on Vesperia will indeed require all PS3 monsters, such as the Wandering Swordsman aka Patty spoilarz, which happens to be a separate monster from the Sword Dancer in the same game, among others (Spiral Draco, the Don, Clint, etc). Remember that I rewrote the ENTIRE DotNW monster book for you, and I don't have the patience to do the same thing if you were to create any more new pages ever again, since it's guaranteed that the effort required to fix such pages will be a negative allocation of time and effort, as I told yet another user last night when giving a warning after the failcreation of another page. So -stop- making new pages and leave the red links as is, and deal with any existing articles instead!! And MabiEditor, don't think I've forgotten about your own failcreations that I redid from scratch.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:23, January 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Edit - But maybe I haven't emphasized it enough to enter through your adamantium-thickened earwax. Leave this wiki forever, Winxfan. Don't come back, for the n'thousandth time. Your inability to do this is what you're doing wrong.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:32, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

But you can't deny people need to know more than what is written. That's why they help. At any rate I'm not leaving because these pages need more info and that's final.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:41, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Suggestion
As you may noticed, several users are uploading pictures related to the new game, Tales of Card Evolve. Furthermore some of these pictures are categorized as "Tales of Cards Evolve Card Images", however this category doesnt't exist. Could you create the category since I don't know how to create a category and would be useful to categorize future images related to Tales of Cards Evolve?? --Juan Ma (talk) 04:31, January 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Obviously you don't know how categories work. I won't do a single thing, because I don't acknowledge these images due to their lack of citation, and if you pester me about this, I will delete them entirely. If you want to fix the categories, CHANGE THE CATEGORY NAME ON THE IMAGE ITSELF. The MediaWiki software will take care of the rest. You also failed to change the category names for another set of images which you complained to me about before, but no, this is YOUR job to change because YOU put the wrong category names on the images. Don't push me or I'll nuke all images that don't have a citation IN THE IMAGE DESCRIPTION ITSELF, as well as a brief technical description of the image IN THE IMAGE DESCRIPTION ITSELF. You're not including EVERYTHING for EVERY image you upload, and it's just my lack of interest in dealing with it that allows me to tolerate it for so long, but if you bring my attention to it, I will delete it all.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 04:47, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Please calm down, this is not the end of the world. If you wish to delete the Tales of Card Evolve images, be my guest. That was just an idea, which is now clearly rejected. I already re-categorized the images under the "Magazine scans" to the "Magazine Scans" category you suggested a while ago. This includes the cities emblems from ToV and categorized as "ToV Emblems". Now you can delete the existing "Magazine scans" category that you wanted to delete months ago.--Juan Ma (talk) 20:36, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Another Mistake
I'm sorry for the last edit I made on ToX2 - Ludger Will Kresnik: Artes‎, as for changing the order of the Link Mystic Artes I should have asked first before changing the order, also about the romanization of Wild Combination and that is my bad. I really didn't mean it and I'm truly sorry, I was trying to help but it seems giving you even more works to do. So, basically I want to confirm one more time about the order of the character, the order is based on the Official Website, right? I guess I'm too biased with the character list that I see before entering the arena. Fayharn (talk) 12:49, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

ok I made another mistake
I'm sorry for the last edit I made on Rising Falcon and Healer I'm not perfect we all make mistakes but some always do the best I can to help improve the site, if it helps the next time I ask before performing any acion like that ok?

--RZX (talk) 08:56, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Presa Article
Yume from TSF was thoughtful enough to give us info on the Fauves which we could use for articles The link is here:

http://taleslations.livejournal.com/26826.html

And yet when I made Presa's article moviebaby deleted it. Not that there was anything wrong with it it had plenty of info. I wish I could quit but as long as there is info that is needed to be put in I can't. The only thing you can do is delete my userpage. That's the only option you have. Oh and since no one cares about the Zaude article, I went and deleted it.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 21:10, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

JUST LEAVE THINGS ALONE. Moviebaby (talk) 21:53, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

And YES, there were several things wrong with it. Moviebaby (talk) 22:00, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

You win
All right. I'm done. You win. I quit. Go ahead, delete my userpage.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 05:00, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Isn't this awesome?
Now that Project X Zone has been announced for the U.S. and Europe, we can get a full official translation and confirm more Tales-related facts and references for the Vesperia character pages as well as for Tarqaron. Letdragon (talk) 00:06, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Tales of Xillia 2 Grade/Grade Shop
After scrolling through your talk page I noticed Winxfan1 stated that I'm in charge of all the incantation blahblahblah...So I was wondering, I've played (still playing) Xillia 2 and pretty much completed most of the requirements in the grade list (got 17 left to complete). I've been on holiday but I took note of the Xillia 2 page not having a Grade Shop translation up yet. Is somebody on to that yet? No one assigned to it? Cos I've got a lot of info on the translation of both the Grade List and Grade Shop, both from legit external resources and my own knowledge. I'd like to try put it up if you'll let. It's okay if you don't want me to.

--水のウォーリー (talk) 04:27, January 29, 2013 (UTC)水のウォーリー

Disregard anything Winxfan says, as it is usually fabricated or unsensible. No one really gets assigned anything around here. Someone generally just picks up a project and pursues it. As long as the information is legitimate, I see no issue with it, seeing how Grade Shops are one of our special types of pages we include for games. However, wait for Mayu's word on the matter.

Moviebaby (talk) 05:33, January 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * I honestly do not care to assign tasks to people. Everyone does what he/she wants as long as all rules regarding formatting and writing style are upheld, and the pages that are created are not ko-pi-pe dumps of someone else's work from GameFAQs. As long as you utilize our table-based format for list pages, modified as needed to fit the required info for the game, it's fine. But when you publish anything, try to make the page relatively complete so that you don't have to continue to edit the page in an incremental way. Cells/columns with unknown data is fine and usually unavoidable while the info remains unknown or accessible only in printed guides, but you should at least have all named entries identified and translated. And yes, ignore Winxfan's words, every single one that was ever posted by him. It's nice and all that you're doing those incantations, but honestly, I don't want to deal with individual arte pages while other materials need attention, since these arte pages can stand as is already.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:44, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Okay I will get down to it. I will do the Grade Shop first and then the Titles List later. The Titles List are split into three categories: System, Battle and Battle Challenge. Have to map this out first. Is there anything else I should know? Like, what info to write, opening paragraph. e.g. "The following is a list of grade...accumulates to 10000..."

--水のウォーリー (talk) 00:27, January 30, 2013 (UTC)水のウォーリー

Refer to the other Grade Shop pages. We will correct any errors.

Moviebaby (talk) 02:25, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, here it is. Took a good three days to make, well almost. There isn't much I can say about the references and resources becuase I solely relied on my game, Japanese knowledge and a dictionary. And of course, the Grade Shops already up. So here:

[deleted] Please, edits.


 * Do not post your drafts on talk pages. Seriously, it wastes space and adds no value. I'll fix it and upload it as a page, but you clearly did not recognize that the name column must always follow the format for unlocalized media. The game is not translated, and all of your translations should never be bolded as if they were official. Deleting it from this page now.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:21, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, understood. But, what did you mean by "name column must always follow the format for unlocalized media.?" Got stuck there.

--水のウォーリー (talk) 09:34, February 1, 2013 (UTC)水のウォーリー


 * I'm redoing everything now. But the MoS clearly shows case scenarios for translation entries for unlocalized content, where the bolded text is -always- the romanization of JP text, followed by the kanji/kani itself, then the literal translation in quotes. We do not and will not treat invented translations as official by displaying them in bold letters. Other minor but quantifiably many things need to be changed as well, most obviously the color scheme of the entire table.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:40, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

I will take that into account when doing the titles list. Although that will take EXTREMELY long. Tte, How will I show you the draft?

--水のウォーリー (talk) 09:47, February 1, 2013 (UTC)水のウォーリー


 * If it's done in most practical ways, in that it needs no more additional entries, just a cleanup of code and whatnot, then you should just post them as pages already. Make sure they are properly categorized and use the correct templates to avoid the risk of having the page float in the abyss of never-to-be-found-again'ness.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:01, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Senel
Seeing as how he's a central character, do other Legendia chars really need articles as big as his is to get a spot on the template? You'd sorta expect him to get a bit more. Even if they don't show up on the template I'm wondering if we could still include small articles for minor characters since they have potential to grow as we find hard-to-locate information about them. +Yc 06:19, January 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * First of all, goddamn it all since you decided to post on that one wiki I WAS WAITING FOR HOWEVER MONTHS ARE NEEDED TO ESTABLISH A CASE FOR INACTIVITY. Now I must post a message to "you" on -that- wiki asking for permission to close it down and all sorts of nonsense because it's what Wikia Central requires from us to enable sites to be merged. You just unraveled the process and prevented it from happening for a while, so thank you sooooo much for that!


 * As for the stuff you're talking about for character templates, DO NOT TOUCH THEM. I am certain you are referring to the game navigation templates, not the -real- character templates, based on the past discussion on this topic, and you failed to understand my point. These nav templates are for PARTY CHARACTERS ONLY. Anyone else who is not part of the cast that actively joins the party, playable or not, will never be featured on such templates. Stop asking.


 * As for creating new articles for any topic whatsoever, yes we do require a fully fleshed-out page with detailed info that is relevant to the topic itself. If you cannot provide that, do not bother to create the page since I will probably delete it instead of wasting my time to rewrite the entire thing -for- you instead, since I am tired of being a wiki janitor with all analogies implied.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:17, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Posh, I'll leave a message on your talk page right now requesting it be shut down and directed here. If anything that should help the case, lol. Ah okay, would it be possible to create a new/separate template for secondary characters? I guess I'm wondering why it either has to be immediately fleshed-out or else deleted. Is there harm in it remaining in a stub-like state until more information is added later? There's not really any pressure on you to improve it is there? this could be done by other users as they come across and think of something to add, or at your leisure, right? +Yc 00:50, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * No. Stop editing this wiki altogether. Every edit you have made has had to be fixed in some manner, meaning you have wasted my time and Mayu's time with this crap. I don't have time for it, and I know she doesn't have time for it. Leave before action is taken.


 * Moviebaby (talk) 01:28, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh what the fuck. What part of INACTIVITY do you not understand? Leave that other wiki alone, and it will be merged eventually, maybe six months from now, now that you made FOUR EDITS to that site. You can't leave it alone? Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:52, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Editing that wiki won't impede merging it to another wiki. The only thing that would impede it is editors there who don't support a merger. +Yc 03:15, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * And there is a lot of harm in leaving pages as stubs. It portrays a sense of incompletion and unreliability of this wiki if pages exist with minimal or no content. They should always be left as red links to emphasize that the content -does not exist-, so that people are not misled into clicking on a blue link that has so little info that they might as well not exist in the first place! Every time someone makes a crap page, I am instantly pressured to fix it, and I'm tired of doing this. Now I just delete crap when I see it on the grounds of being spam. And you are well on your way toward being classified as a spammer.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:52, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Portraying a sense of incompletion is a good thing, the wiki is incomplete, after all. Most wikis are. A wiki that was completed would just be locked so nobody could interfere with the perfect completion. If someone clicks a blue link that has little info on it, it's not exactly bad, they may still learn something from it, and may even be able to add something from it. If there's a stub, 10 people who click it might add enough each to make a complete article.
 * If it's a red link, and any of the curious who have something to add get shot down while trying to add it by having their work removed, what they could collectively contribute will be absent. Doing this basically removes opportunities for people to help.
 * Calling those who add things which aren't detailed enough to reach your standards a spammer is wrong (if it's on the topic of the wiki it isn't spam) and driving away editors creates the exact kind of high-pressure "it's all on me" situation which seems to be stressing you out.
 * If people can't detail things about the Tales universe here they may choose to do so on places like Tales which don't impede that, and this would interfere with making a consolidated wiki about the collective series. +Yc 03:15, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Users deleting talk pages
This has to be against the rules in some manner, yes? It's not their profile. They don't customize it. It exists for a reason, and the removal of any content within it is taking away from the community portion of this wiki. Additionally, it involves removing warnings, which are necessary to remain for obvious reasons, and it also involves removing other users' comments. Does this not border on the lines of vandalism?

Moviebaby (talk) 20:04, February 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Eh, to be honest, it is still part of their profile, and it is their right to delete content on the page, though I argue against doing so because of the loss of conversations. That tends to be why I want conversations for a given topic to be confined to one page, instead of shifting back and forth between pages when one or both may end up being archived or deleted, causing a lopsided interpretation of the situation. The history of the page remains anyway, unless the page itself is deleted. I don't really want to enforce a rule like this, especially since the user you're refering to right now will just edit-war it out until being banned, and a banhammer for something like this isn't worth it because it's not the actual wiki content. Now, if someone starts deleting content on a talk page for someone else, or on any other page without first moving the topic elsewhere where it would be relevant, that would be grounds for vandalism.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:09, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Juan Ma's recent uploads
Would you please, please, PLEASE delete Juan Ma's recent uploads of the Abyss character artwork images from the animation? I am trying to get them all uploaded on here consistently and following a uniform naming system. It makes no sense that he chose to only upload a few. I tried overriding the file with a duplicate that would replace the file name and commentary, but it wouldn't let me.

Moviebaby (talk) 19:23, February 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Mmkay. You can just upload new images onto a new file name, leaving the existing duplicates there so I can sweep them away eventually. Existing images cannot be renamed by anyone without admin powers - they can only be overwritten, which should be done when higher quality images are available. But I'll delete these now since it's what you need. I noticed Juan Ma had been dumping a lot of duplicate images lately anyway, and on a selective basis when these images and more are prominently displayed on the official Teichan sites. I can only assume they are being grabbed from fan re-postings on places far removed from the most primary source possible, like those concept arts of Zelos and others in Symphonia that were cited to one of those gaming aggregate sites (Neoseeker iirc), which is why I deleted them before... but they got uploaded again.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:30, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Quick inquiry
Would it be possible to ask you a question in private regarding something? Letdragon (talk) 21:21, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Namco Collaboration?
Hey there Mayu Miyuki!

My name is Jorge and I am on Wikia's Community Development Team. Since you are by far the most active and prolific admin, I thought I would reach out to you about a cool opportunity Wikia might have for you.

We have recently been in talks with Namco about connecting the developers and the Tales community more closely. With the Tales series' finding a 15th anniversary in the US, they would love to collaborate on stuff with you and the wiki. Let me know if you have anything in mind or want to see something in particular from Namco, but it assets or the like.

Just leave me a message on my talk page! Jorge (profile)•(talk) 19:54, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Milla's English VA Video
We've got our proof for Milla's actress right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PCg7cbdv8g&feature=youtu.be Letdragon (talk) 17:27, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Jude's VA is also confirmed to be Sam Riegal.


 * Save the additions for after the game's release.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:09, March 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * This was just for in advance, once it does come out. Letdragon (talk) 01:23, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

This is what you wrote: "Can't you wait until the game is released? You're not the first person to add this stuff in but I hope you're the last." What's with the threat? Seriously, what's the big deal? We know who are voicing Jude and Milla for the english version of Xillia AND we have solid proof about that, something that you require us to add. Where was it ever written that the game must be released before adding info? That sounds like a rule you made up for no reason. Who seriously cares if the game isn't released in english yet? It's coming, but we honestly don't need the game to be released to add info we know about. How come it's ok to add info for upcoming games in Japanese, but not in English? And no, I'm probably not the last, because I'm 100% sure that others will add this info without knowing that you absolutely want them to wait for the game's english release... even though you probably added Jude's and Milla's Japanese voice actors before the game's Japanese release.

We just want to help if you haven't noticed yet, and limiting our work isn't gonna make this site better. In short, just let it slide. So what if the game isn't released yet? If the info is already available, I see no reason to wait until the game's release to add it to the site. (JiCi (talk) 18:10, April 2, 2013 (UTC))


 * Neither had pages until after the game was released in Japan. If any page is created before release, it probably would have such minimal content that I would delete it instantly, as it might as well not exist yet.


 * Everything will be added through sweep edits at the same time to reduce the effort of tracking down changes that are done preemptively and fix what was done with them. Besides, citations have a specific format to follow, and the first person who added a source pissed me off enough to enforce this whole thing because the citation had a broken link and also failed to follow the format. At first I fixed it, but then I decided, "fuck this noise" and undid even my own edit. Thank the previous person for that. Besides, this enforcement is merely an extension of what we always do, in that -any- changes made through localizations are made after release, including both character and arte name changes which require infrastructure modifications, and so existing pages don't become a mix of localized and non-localized terms. It's better to change everything all at once.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:30, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Thank You
for hours that other user Tsunar was doing those editions and I trying to fix it I thought I could do it alone but do not think I went as expected. I sorry. --RZX (talk) 21:04, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

Tales of Xillia 2 Award of Excellence
In case you're interested, here's something I read in the most recent article on Abyssal Chronicles (http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/). At the Famitsu Awards 2012 held on April 17, 2013, Tales of Xillia 2 was given an Award of Excellence. It also said that, two years ago, Tales of Xillia won the same award during the 2011 Famitsu Awards. --Agarfinkel (talk) 20:44, April 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I already know about it due to being a frequent lurker on the TSF, but we may add that in as trivia for each game. It's rather rare for Tales games to get this kind of honor actually.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:25, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Dummied content
I only don't understand why such a rule exists in the MoS. By not allowing such content in the articles, you're basically refusing to acknowledge that the content even exists. Those conversations, while not normally accessible, do in fact exist in the game's files. Homebrew, for example, doesn't add the voice tracks, it simply removes the restriction preventing them from being heard. Other major wikis will at least acknowledge that such content exists, or that certain glitches are possible, although they are usually part of their own page having solely to do with that, which this wiki seems to be lacking in. It would make sense that there should be a page that is specifically for bugs/dummied out content (or one page per game) and this/these page/pages are the only exception to that part of the MoS.

Saying this kind of content isn't noteworthy is basically refusing to even accept that it was almost in the final product, and remnants of it still exist. Schiffy (Speak to me &#124;What I've done ) 18:14, April 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's because the intended or original use of dummied content is always open to interpretation, which in turn leads to speculation. Honestly, I have no arguments against dumping this kind of info onto the talk pages of the articles in question. You can add these in on Richter's talk page, where it is clearly segregated from the content that relates to normal gameplay circumstances. These can serve as the special pages devoted to glitches and dummied content. But it should not be presented on the main articles as if it really was intended to be part of the game. If it was, it would have been accessible normally. Needless to say, dummied content is not really vital to know about, as they do not represent game-changing facts that alter everything in the story.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:53, April 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't exactly see what's "open to interpretation" about direct conversations that are within the game's sound files that only slightly differ from Emil's and Marta's conversations with Richter to fit who's talking. And I'd like to direct your attention to the "other major wikis" I was talking about. Let's look at these two pages. They are explicitly for things like dummied out content, glitches, and exploits. I do not see the problem with having pages (not talk pages) devoted to that kind of thing. While they may not be part of the final game, they are still notable in that they exist and they are in the game's code, accessible by anyone who has something like Homebrew installed on their Wii, which doesn't exactly take any knowledge of programming to do. There could easily be subpages, only accessible by looking for them, for example "Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World/Glitches," that have this sort of thing written in an article style, and not in a talk page style. Schiffy  (Speak to me &#124;What I've done ) 01:30, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well, this is not that type of wiki. Unused content is typically omitted for a reason, and including it would only be detrimental to the existing game content. It is highly unnecessary information that, in my opinion, isn't even worth mentioning on talk pages due to its inaccessible properties that are usually only discovered through cheating (shame on you). Moviebaby (talk) 01:49, April 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, shame on me for looking up content on YouTube that I find interesting about games I like. Okay, fine, I pirate some shit, but I haven't messed with DotNW on my own. But anyway, I get the idea. I'll drop the argument. Schiffy  (Speak to me &#124;What I've done ) 01:58, April 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * We are not other wikis, and comparisons shouldn't even be made since Aselia is designed with a different mindset. Other sites can do their own thing, and we will not interfere with their autonomous natures, but we also desire that -our- rules and requirements are upheld at all times within our own site and that external entities have no right to change our policies based on "everyone else does it" mob mentalities. We are our own wiki, and we have our own rules which are to be strictly followed. And sub-pages are highly redundant when we already have sub-pages for everything, the talk pages themselves. Neat discussions sometimes happens on those pages, and I even post random tidbits on these pages sometimes. It is not proper to bring such topics into the wiki mainspace, however, as it is decidedly non-encyclopedic content in terms of describing what is officially possible in a standard game or related materials. I know that other sites have different policies, and I simply don't care about what those are. They are not us, and we value the fact that we are not them.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:19, April 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you missed the part where I said I get the idea and I'll drop it. Schiffy  (Speak to me &#124;What I've done ) 16:04, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Asura
I Apoligise for seeming as such. I was not going by the fan translation I was going by the japanese writing in game. It is spelled "アスラ" Which Translates to "A- Su- ra" if it were Asras It would appear as such "アスラス" Please don't misunderstand me, no offence is intended or disrespect just stating the experience I have learned by playing the game and listening to how the characters Pronounce it.


 * It's true that it is pronounced as "Asura", and I definitely prefer this name. But his name has been rendered officially in JP media as "Asras" in spite of the pronunciation. When you added links to the page, you must not have noticed this little gem. And so we have to follow what is official. Even though Namdai JP is known for some really odd spellings, like "Chersea" or "Calcedny" or "Kohak" (Tsukihime reference fail!), their spellings have to be used until something in localized form will override it, if ever. If Asrasura's name ever gets into localized media, I certainly hope it becomes Asura just so that this sort of situation wouldn't be a problem.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:50, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Official Voice Actor Pages with links to other sites
I know that there are some sites we cannot use when looking up English voice actors, but what about when a voice actor's official site has links that go to these sites? For example, when I was earlier on J.B. Blanc's official's site (http://www.jbblanc.com/), on the home page, there were two links that went to his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/JB-Blancs-Fanpage/88832292085?fref=ts) and his IMDB page (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1072611/). What happens with those sites in this situation? --Agarfinkel (talk) 0:08, April 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't put any stock into those times when their official sites link to IMDB or any sort of user-input aggregate websites. The voice actors themselves clearly don't read through those lists in detail or don't care since it's a case of obfuscating identity. Only when it says that they voiced the role on their official sites, within a resume page or something of that nature, or through some statement or interview from the person or his/her employers, these are the only situations that are considered valid. Zero exceptions. Also, I was led to believe that people are capable of uploading images or some crap onto Facebook galleries of the so-called "official" FB accounts of these voice actors. Even ignoring the fact that people can easily impersonate others, and how it is -very- commonplace in this country where I live for people to impersonate celebrities with all the mindless sheep who believe them to be the real people, this sort of user-uploadable content again disqualifies any sort of validity that such a site could have.


 * Simply put, if the page can be altered in any way by anyone other than the site owner, as in anyone who is not the voice actors themsevles or their bosses/representatives, it is -not- valid.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:21, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

You are correct about Facebook galleries. The "Photos of [...]" section contains images that fans have "tagged" the particular voice actor in, meaning many of them could be based on assumption, not fact. The "Photos" and "Albums" sections contain images that the actual Facebook user uploads. These are the only images that should be used as a credible source, as any others could have been uploaded by any user. As far as distinguishing if the Facebook page belongs to the actual voice actor him or herself or not, we have to be careful. However, I am aware of some legitimate voice actor pages on Facebook.

Moviebaby (talk) 18:22, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Site skin in Wikia format
I may have asked this with you before, but I can't remember. The Wikia skin (which I understand you hate) is the default format for wikis now, correct? To view in MonoBook, one must change this him or herself in the "Preferences" sections, correct? I personally use the new Wikia format because it's just become what I'm most used to. Additionally, I want to ensure that everything looks fine in the Wikia format, since it is probably what most people see. I've noticed other wikis have a customized skin, whereas ours looks like a default skin. Is there any way to change this?

Moviebaby (talk) 00:08, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't care to look into customizing the Oasis skin since it is designed completely contrary to good webpage design, since it focuses entirely on ease of browsing for mobile touchpad devices and spamming linkages between "related" stuffs, plus the abundance of pointless blog and FB inserts. The most recently uploaded images thing on the main page is also an eyesore and potentially awkward. Wikia Central even removed our admin abilities to change the way the skin functions through CSS, even for something as minor as width limit changes which is the most irritating thing, by outright changing the Wikia Terms of Service. I have been ignoring most Wikia update messages, most of which are announcements of various "webinars" on general wiki stuffs like advertising the site, so maybe there were some changes that were made along the way. You are free to look into it if you wish, since it is the default skin without giving an option to change it on a per-site basis, and I can agree that it should look passable in that skin as well. But my stance remains that it is not supported as far as designing our pages to fit the skin's style and format which imposes limits that cause problems for many of our pages, particularly the list-based ones that are quite wide.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:33, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'm generally bad at technical things, but I did find this that could be beneficial to anyone who is interested in this as well. I'll try to look more into it later, but I have to get ready for work now.

Moviebaby (talk) 16:14, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Also stumbled upon this, which looks like a way to customize the Wikia skin to appear as if it were the MonoBook skin. Could be worth looking into. Anyway, really have to go now.

Moviebaby (talk) 16:19, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Ruby tag
A minor feature, but do you think that the wiki would benefit from ruby tags in limited usage? Lanate (talk) 01:23, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it can be integrated into the nihongo template. But I don't know what the benefit of doing so will be, as I don't quite have the luxury to research more about it right now. Can you summarize what this can accomplish?


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:33, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Basically, it lets you do furigana. As an example with the Brave Vesperia arte, you can do something like:
 * Brave Vesperia (凛々の明星 (ブレイブヴェスペリア))
 * to get:
 * Brave Vesperia (凛々の明星 (ブレイブヴェスペリア</rt>)</rp>)
 * Most browsers support it now I think, but for those that don't,  tags exist that let you place elements that only appear on browsers that don't support ruby tags. I made a template for it on the Digimon Wiki here. It's not a huge boon, but it might be interesting to play around with or integrate in places. Lanate (talk) 22:23, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, my net at home is being stupid like it always does every couple of months. Anyway I don't see any furigana superscripted over the kanji text, which I suppose is what the intended functionality should be. I have the latest Firefox browser as of literally last week so that shouldn't be an issue, unless something beyond the default settings needs to be tweaked. So from my end, I see no difference in output aside from the JP square brackets changed to parentheses, which I'd rather not have. I'll take your word that it works, but until I can figure out why it won't render as intended on my end and play around with the functions, I wouldn't want to implement this broadly on the wiki. I need to check its readability in tiny font above the kanji, supposing the kanji stays the same font size.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:59, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I forgot that Firefox is one of the few browsers that doesn't inherently support ruby. Sorry; I installed a plugin a while back that did it for me.  Anyway, this is the result of the ruby tags, and I was the one who put parentheses instead of square brackets rather than it being an inherent functionality of the tags themselves.  I guess if Firefox still doesn't have native support, its use should probably be shelved. Lanate (talk) 18:17, May 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well I guess it can still be used, and a message for Firefox users can be useful if integrated into the nihongo template so that they are aware that a specified plugin is needed to view the content as intended. But with my net back to being stupid and me using an exceptionally slow public wifi again, there's not much I can do to test this out right now.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:42, May 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * I couldn't load your image at all last time on the public network I was using, but now that I am able to see it... that looks fantastic! I absolutely do want to use this throughout the wiki, though a template-based format is easier to read than html tags. This can be added not only to the nihongo template but also to our list pages, though that requires yet another sweep of all of the pages. But rather than my first idea of modifying the nihongo template, I think nested templates may be the better option so pages that don't need furigana are not affected by changes to the ordering of the fields. Since you are from the Digimon wiki, can I request for you to import the template here? I will alter the documentation to credit your wiki once you do so. And looking at the  tag, whatever is used in there is what will appear only if the user is not capable of seeing the furigana output right? I would prefer change it to the JP square brackets and also add a tiny help message link like the one that comes with the nihongo template to direct Firefox and other users of incompatible browsers (Safari? Chrome? etc) to download whatever plugins are needed (will check on this shortly). It could even be the same link actually. Besides, I need to revise the content on that particular page... most of it should just be compressed into a message saying that Wikipedia has more info on the mechanics of the Japanese language, and our rules are different from what Wikipedia uses for romanization.


 * Perhaps another template can be created for arte/skill/title/equip lists to reduce  spam but switches may have to be used depending on if the game is localized or not, like a blank first field means the text will render in a different order and with different bolding even if they are input into the coding in the same order. I'll look into how viable this will be after the nihongo template can be modified.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:36, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Rumors of upcoming Tales of Symphonia re-release for the PS3
This is only a RUMOR for now, but in the latest AbyssalChronicles article (http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/), according to an interview between the people from Koi-Nya.net and Tales of Series Producer Hideo Baba at the Expomanga 2013, there MAY be an upcoming re-release of Tales of Symphonia for the PS3, which would contain both Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World in high definition. The interview can be found here (http://www.koi-nya.net/2013/05/14/entrevista-hideo-baba-productor-de-la-saga-tales-of/). However, just letting you know, the entire interview is in Spanish. Again, it is only a rumor for now. Agarfinkel (talk) 15:02, May 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool beans. But I'm indifferent regardless of if it's true or not. Baba is a huge troll and knows/loves/flaunts it, and if his stated "Tales-filled year" in English regions is just because of this thing then mehhhh. Granted, if it gets localized, then its terms will override even Xillia's names for whatever artes are used in both games. And I expect resistance to that from people who don't know what our policies are. The only source of amusement is just the continuation of the consistently inconsistent tradition of Double/Twin/Double/etc Demon Fang. And an HD remaster of Symphonia/DotNW may be the better option to his original quoted statement that he wanted Symphonia to receive the next reimagination! And we all know how those demakes turned out.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:42, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Trivia for artes
I know that we're not allowed to include trivia in the artes pages, but what about if we want to talk the etymology/origin of an arte's name. For instance, Ragnarök, which is the name of a Mystic Arte in Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, is the final battle that takes in Norse Mythology. Another example is Big Bang, the name of a recurring Mystic Arte in several Tales games, which is the scientific theory of how the universe was created. Agarfinkel (talk) 17:37, May 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * That does not belong on arte pages. If it is a character-specific arte, put it on the character's page. Otherwise it becomes unnecessary since the arte pages, besides being a dead project that should stay dead, should detail info specifically on the artes.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:42, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Enabled Effects
Is the enabled effects section something that should be rolled into future arte pages as opposed to the separate knockdown, aerial, etc. columns we've been using so far? Lanate (talk) 17:38, May 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yep. It actually never occured to me to do this until I saw that it was done for the JP data for Hearts R, and I figure that it works out better to reduce the strain of table widths by doing so. The "inflicts [...] ailment on all enemies damaged etc" thing should also be combined into this column so it does not need to be stated in so many words. In some cases it means the nested rows can be removed. I am also trying to make a distinction between Knockdown and Knockback, the latter being those artes that force enemies away and may or may not down the target. I don't have any good one or two-word terms to use for effects that damage downed enemies or force them back up, or artes that can be used to start aerial combos even if they are not aerial themselves, so there's no choice but to keep them as nested rows.


 * As for the hover thing, any info that relates to changing data based on inputs/skills/usage should still be listed in nested rows, both to explain the information and to provide accessibility, since some users may not have Javascript enabled for hover text to appear. The text wouldn't appear anyway if the pages are printed.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:02, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Xillia
I know I'm not supposed to be here anymore, but I just have to say I am impressed of how much you knew about Negative Gate and Bloody Howling.

You have your schedule, and you already know that Undine, Sylph, Efreet and Gnome are in Tales of Xillia as are Celsius and Volt (Even though the latter are artificial spirits). It's little details people don't add that urk me, like when the Relationships section of Sheena's article were gone, or the fact that here English VA's can't be added without proof, like for instance, Mona Marshall, the woman who was the voice of Belius in Tales of Vesperia was Undine in the same game, but without proof it can't be added.

I'm not giving you a hard time on the matter, I mean I know when I'm beat. Just thought I'd throw in my two cents on the matter.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:16, May 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Even though you are intentionally forgetting that replies belong ON THE PAGE the conversation is posted and NEVER on other pages so that the entire conversation can be seen at once, preventing people from having to switch between pages to read the whole thing, I can't say I am surprised. But let me emphasize yet again that your ideas of who voiced whom are not welcome here, and I would appreciate it if you stop posting your speculation here. These are not facts, stop treating them as if they are, and stop acting like the VA identities matter in the slightest. The VA people themselves don't even care who or what they voice as long as they are getting paid. We don't need to see you inserting these comments literally EVERYWHERE, and you are going to stop. This is not negotiable.


 * By the way, no one is commenting on your Graces thread because it's unashamedly fanfiction material. You are inventing characterizations that don't exist, and while that's fine since you have creative liberty to do so, you have to do this sort of thing where it belongs, hidden from view in the fanfiction section or on some other site where we don't have to see your work ever again. No one is posting because no one wants it to be bumped to the top of the section, and people are trying to wait for it to be hidden from view on the second page, since Papa Lunar hasn't moved the thread where it belongs. Just fyi.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:56, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

All right. It's just I didn't want to clutter the Negative Gate talk page with info that was off topic. Like the VAs, even though you don't want to hear about it they should at the very least take credit where credit is due. Like how Karen Strassman was Fourier in Graces and Graces F, and Sam (Jude Mathis) was Reid Hershel in Radiant Mythology. But enough about that.

It was a Negative Gate talk page therefore it should focus on Negative Gate more or less. Now I am impressed how you and Moviebaby are cleaning things up here. Keep up the good work, but there is one thing I would like you to do when you have time: Add more detail to the Zaude article. Also, Juan Ma has two pics of Agarte from Tales of Rebirth uploaded but no article for them. What's up with that? Is he planning to make the article or something? Abd my graces threads:

1. The Va's thing was just for confirmation, though they'll never post it on their official sites.

2. You can get rid of the "Little Blurbs" and "100-hit Combo Titles" threads. I just moved the former to the Fanfiction section and I bought the Demon Fighter title set, though I did get Hubert's Combo Kaiser title.

3. The Major Victoria and Eleth Mixer threads stay. I think it would be nice for fans to know the color scheme of the eleth mixer. I was kinda stuck with a bronze mixer until I got to get it to use 4750 units of Eleth for anything.

It's rather nice to have a conversation where we're not at each other's throats. Just saying. Also, for the Efreet, Gnome, Sylph, Undine, Maxwell, Volt and Celsius articles, when will Tales of Xillia be in the games section of their infoboxes?

Finally, I haven't posted any VA speculation since you told me not to.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 11:41, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Individual Arte Pages
Reposting a comment from Old Man Lunar at the TSF after I sperged out over Staff Rain yesterday:


 * All that being said, this is going to become even more of an issue for arte name tracking if Xillia 2 is localized since Tide Bullet could potentially have two different names in the same game. I honestly think that enough games have been localized that it might be time to consider handling tracking a bit differently, Moekaze. Perhaps you need a more unified table of recurring artes and their localized names instead of spreading everything out in individual arte pages. They take so much effort to maintain, and unless they're artes that have a real history like Majinken/Demon Fang, many of those pages amount to little more than stubs, nor can they ever be much more than stubs because they're one-offs. Both the proliferation of specialty one-off themed arte trees in Japan and the constant shift in localization practices in the west are contributing to the increasing irrelevance of cataloguing artes in such a way ... Maybe it's time to adapt the process since the series itself is evolving in a way that conflicts with what we're doing now.

I am trying to consider how to do this, because I agree that many of these pages are pretty much worthless since very little can be said about some attacks, and others appear so rarely or are only ever associated with one character that all related attacks might as well be grouped together. Examples would include many of the "Tiger" artes that invoke "mokou/souhazan/kouhazan/gouhazan" in the JP name, or all of Richter's artes which are based on the Chinese lunar calendar's roll of years, and similar groupings. Basically, we would be creating pages for arte families rather than individual attacks, since Namdai JP has no intention of stopping their endless creation of unique attacks that are only ever used by one char but are designed in reference to other past artes (Slash Rain/Raining Fangs/Icicle Epee, Shishisenkou/Manbousenkou/Resshinkohou, Majinken/-ken/-ken/Majin'en/Majinpan). It might end up being easier to manage and track localized name changes by doing this, and it's certainly better than having hundreds of worthless stubs and people who keep creating more of them. Naturally, the artes that are already significant like Majinken itself should retain their individual pages, but a page devoted to the Majinken arte tree can be created alongside it to detail the statistics of those other attacks.

For the listing of localized names, I think a tabular format might be easier on the eyes than having several subsections that extend page lengths by quite a lot, but this is only practical for arte families that have not received many changes in the way that they are named. As for compound artes in general, these would be listed on the pages of both arte families that they combine, but then a problem occurs in providing a page link to one or the other family... I don't like to consider this, but the only solution might be to link each word in the name to its associated family. That won't always be possible. And distinctions have to be made for certain artes that differ by a small kanji or radical and represent very different attacks, like the "Raging [...]" and "[...] Rage" artes that grab and knock enemies down, and the "Raging [...]" and "[...] Rage" artes that create cross-slash movements.

For spells, there is simply no way to establish "families" among each elemental type, since the spell rankings and relative powers are always variable and the elemental systems of each game always change. Besides, each spell has its own set of incantations, which should be kept separate from every other spell to avoid confusion. So nothing should change with respect to magic.

Honestly, I don't want to have to care about this, but these existing pages are an eyesore and a disorganized mess. It needs to be cleaned up rather than cut into seventeen pieces. I've just been leaving them there and telling everyone to pretend they don't exist, and while I would like to continue that, people like the one who posted on this page previously won't leave them alone.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:34, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Tales Festival starting soon
As in two minutes from now. The TalesFes stream is timing out even in Japan due to so much web traffic. Brace for impact from Symphonia HD/reimagination announcement or whatever is about to be revealed. Moontube apparently works: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv139947552 (login obv) or another stream here: http://ja.justin.tv/puchi2nd#/w/5802015680/2

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:21, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA PS3 TOS AND DOTNW

TALES OF SYMPHONIA: UNISONANT PACK

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:28, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Being localized as "Tales of Symphonia Chronicles" via the fastest localization announcement in Tales history.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:08, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I for one am excited despite my ambivalence toward Dawn of the New World.

Moviebaby (talk) 19:26, June 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * According to the latest event that Bababababa attended in France (along with Lloyd's JP seiyuu), the localized game will get dual audio. Watch this thing sell billions of copies now. Also brace for possible bad edits regarding this reveal.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:50, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Request
[deleted] I know you may be busy with other things, but while I was categorizing several images which has no categorization I came across with this file involving Berselius. Could you please translate the content for me since I can't read japanese? That's all --Juan Ma (talk) 04:59, June 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I saved you the effort. Now, instead of dealing with only categorizing images, it is a better use of time to identify which of these images need sources and/or descriptions, so that these can be added in at the same time as any necessary categories. If you are unable to insert these sources and descriptions, ideally by finding replacement images uploaded to the same file name and detailing all information exactly as I have done in the past, then the images should be deleted rather than categorized. I have not done any of this deletion simply because I don't care to deal with doing so, but it bothers me that you frequently ignore my requirement that every single image must have citation info and a technical description. Anything that lacks this should be replaced or deleted.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:51, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Curious
No hard feelings, but what proof do you have that Xillia 2 is going to be localized? So far, I only heard Xillia 1's localization, no Xillia 2.

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 06:49, June 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, slip of the mind, thinking of Xill1. Doesn't matter anyway, spoilers shouldn't be thrown about everywhere except where it is particularly relevant. While a bit of what you said on M's talk page answered the question that was asked, you went ahead and spoiled all but two of the endings in a wholly unwarranted way. gg dude. Even putting that aside, this is -not- trivia, it is spoiler content that goes in the history section as part of the narrative, revealed at the same point the character experiences the event.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:45, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

So spoilers' a no... Then what kind of information I can enter anyway?

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 13:20, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

The kind that doesn't require another user to clean up afterward, please and thank you.

Moviebaby (talk) 15:20, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Contributions
Thanks so very much for pointing out the specific set of rules that pertains to images and videos. Have an absolutely wonderful day! Raylan13 ( talk ) 22:21, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

LOL I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

Moviebaby (talk) 05:06, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Just checking up.
Hey Mayu. Just thought I'd check up on you. Looks like you guys are doing well. I guess you guys heard from Facebook and abyssal chronicles about some info on Gaius and the Chimeraid (Fauves). though Yume Hanabi's info is more detailed. I'm not saying you should make articles for them. I'm just giving my opinion on the matter. Oh and I gave my thanks to Lanate for completing the artes and skill sets for the rest of the obtainable monsters from Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World. Never got back to me. So anyway, I am not here to add blurbs. I just came by to see how things have been going. The Zaude article still needs work but that's nothing new. Well, good luck.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 15:05, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, me again.

Just letting you guys know that even though Ivar's name stays the same, Musee's name has changed to Muzét, but you read Abyssal chronicles so you probably know that already. I'm just saying when you have time, update the Xillia and Xillia 2 templates with this.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:23, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Help for Xillia 2?
Hey there, Mayu Miyuki! My name is Doug and I'm a member of Wikia's Community Development Team! I was just stopping by to ask if you would like any help around the wiki prior to the launch of Xillia 2, whether it's writing content, re-organizing categories, or what have you. I'm a big JRPG and Tales fan, so I'd be happy to provide any support you might need.

If you're interested in drafting up a community project to time up with Xillia's release, I'm available to help as well. Just let me know if you'd like the support. Have a good one! : D

Doug (profile)•(talk)•(email) 01:00, July 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * While I appreciate the desire to help, our vital content regarding Xillia 2 has already been completed, particularly through our list-type resource pages for translation of artes and skills in the Japanese version. While more content on characters and locations is worthwhile, I prefer to see focus dedicated toward existing pages rather than the creation of new ones that might be minimalist in actual content. Granted, if there is a lot to say about a particular topic, then it's fine to post it already as long as our format requirements are respected.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:23, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

Edits
Why did you remove my edits? They are the official confirmed english voice actors.

(ORaven)


 * Because the game is not yet released in localized form, thus there no English voice actors to begin with. Changes of this nature and other fixes regarding localization of terms and names will be made through sweep edits that happen all at once upon release of the game. It will not happen any sooner than this, and especially not by users who think it's okay to just input names, officially confirmed or not, without citation. But again, regardless of that citation, for now these names will not be recognized until the game proper gets its release.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 05:48, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Upon release do I have the permission to edit in the english VA then?

(ORaven)

One series per month
This may seem stupid coming from me but we're trying to complete and perfect articles that already exist right? So, instead of spreading our focus on all the articles, why not focus on one Tales series per month? This way you can get all the info needed and still maintain the steady pace. Think about it:

You can work on one Tales series one month like Phantasia and focus only on articles relating to it and the next month you can focus on articles relating only to Symphonia.

This is just an example but I think you get the point.

Just give this some thought. That's all I ask.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 13:16, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

We work on what we can when we can. The same goes for everyone else.

Moviebaby (talk) 17:31, August 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed with Moviebaby. What you are suggesting is precisely what we don't want, "spreading our focus on all the articles" by handling ALL articles for a given game on a per-month cycle. Get it in your head that we prioritize what is relevant, and you won't be the one to decide that for us. In other words, DENIED.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:36, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

It just seemed like a good idea.

Content is first? I wrote articles on locations but stopped around Chesedonia for Abyss and Phaeroh's Crag for Vesperia, and let's not forget the Presa article I wrote which I recently updated to include her kanji. But you have a point. We need to work on what we have before working on anything else, and with over 2,700 articles that's a lot of ground to cover. Ever thought of making your own list seperating articles that are perfectly complete and ones that still need work? then again that in itself is work. Never mind.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:43, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Video Policy
Hey Mayu, it's Doug from Wikia again. Could you tell me a bit about Aselia's video policy? Are videos allowed on article pages, blog posts, etc? We may be getting some licensed premium videos for Xillia 2 and we'd love to know if the community would be interested in hosting them somewhere on the wiki. What do you think?

We have a category already for Xillia 1 here, that can also be used if interested. Would love to hear your input, thanks!


 * We don't accept videos on the basis that they are copyrighted content that belongs to the uploader on whatever video aggregate site they are uploaded to, disclaimers nonwithstanding, since they usually defer copyright to some other source but the copyright is still there in the form of intellectual content as in "let's plays". And like images, explicit permission must be provided to use them here. For the sake of simplicity, videos are not allowed outright. Besides, they cause an increase in bandwidth usage during page loading, which is actually somewhat relevant on my side of the world. Basically, if it's not an image, don't upload it. Other sites exist for that purpose.


 * Besides, any "premium videos" are best posted on the official Nico Nico Douga and/or Youtube channels, if not the main websites for the games themselves, like Tales Channel.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:42, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

It's Come! Oh ma gawd...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp25BbxyLQ8 (見て見て)

Someone in the US has it, and completed it. I can't hear the incantations because of the music but I won't be on for a while due to examinations. However, I will try my best to update. I think Elemental Mastery Supreme Elements has a different incant but Elise's is the same if not, very similar.

Actually, from this vid, I can do Elise's incantation for Reverie-Go-Round, now known as 'Scary-Go-Round'. Hmmm, Final Fury, Jude says some things I can't pick up. He doesn't make noise, he SAYS stuff before he screams, FINAL FURY. Demons' Lance, again the interference with the music and Nachtical's voice being slightly too deep hinders me from picking up what he's saying. Meteor Storm by Maxwell, all I heard were, "blah blah blah (something)...Time and Space...Meteor Storm!" something like that.

Anyways, have a look when you have time. The point is, I want to update Elise's page now that US has gotten it but there's still time remaining until the EU get it; on the 9/8/13. Permission to edit, or would you like to since you're obviously better at page editing and scrutinizing than I am? I will get the game as soon as it releases in the EU and work on Localizing the Arte pages.

Regards, --水のウォーリー (talk) 06:03, August 6, 2013 (UTC)水のウォーリー

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2-VInA1M8M&feature=c4-overview&list=UUaCaJHJ9t6rai6m7aL3ZcHA

That's a reuploaded version of the mystic arte exhibition with lower music. Some things are still hard to make out though.

oRaven

Idea coming up: When you get the game, for Mystic Arte battles, turn the music all the way down and voice volume all the way up. Could be helpful.

Also, for Mayu, can we get rid of that Unlocalized tag on some of the Xillia pages?

And I'm gonna get my copy today, as soon as my sis gets home. The articles I'll write, but I won't post any of them here.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 12:13, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Most Recently Localized Arte Name

 * The content of this discussion has been moved to Template talk:LatestEnglish.

Tales Series Forums down
I've been having trouble getting on TSF all day yesterday. I keep getting an error message from phpBB no matter what computer in my household I use. The TSF holds the list of artes I've been compiling for Xillia, so I hope it'll come back up soon. Has anyone else been experiencing the same difficulty as well? It'll give me some relief to know I'm not alone.

MabiEditor (talk) 16:01, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I have.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 21:08, August 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * We have a private reserve forums that gets its use whenever TSF dies. I'm not sure if I should say where.


 * Flamfas posted: (Yesterday at 1:21 pm)
 * Clearly they are just restoring all our lost posts at the expense of all posts since November .... Right guys???!?


 * Then again that's the kind of awesome troll move that Hometek isn't capable of. But it would be a dramatic change from the public ignorance and comedy of the entire Bantegui fiasco. We have a new community manager already, J. Kartje, and people (Flamfas) have already poked him on Twitter about this latest forum downtime.


 * Regarding that arte name list on the TSF, I have it cached. I'm using it as a basis for converting our lists, but you know, I also work for a living and don't have a lot of free time. At least today is a holiday in my country so I can do some stuff now.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:04, August 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * By the way, I need confirmation for a couple of things. Does Rowen keep his "J"? What are the localized translations for Bushinwaza/Seireijutsu/Magi/Second Artes/Charge Waza/etc?


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:14, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Rowen keeps his J or not. I just met him on my first playthrough and he hasn't said his full name yet. As for the arte type names, I don't really know.

But I do know some of new artes that you can update the arte list with.

Pikohazan > Pow Blade Recover Heal > Recover Heal Pikorein > Hammer Rain Chiryuusenha > Terra Fissure Fairy Circle > Fairy Circle

MabiEditor (talk) 22:29, August 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * It doesn't translate those terms in the manual? And I saw that you changed Link Artes to Linked Artes - is this official? If so, I need to move the page for listing all link artes.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:46, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I never actually read the digital manual. I'll check it out later on. And yes, Linked Artes is the official name.

MabiEditor (talk) 23:48, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I can answer that question for you: yes Rowen does keep the J. in his name. I have the character book which came with my Limited Edition Xillia pre-order.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:18, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

From digging around in the game, here's how I think the arte styles are named.

Bushinwaza > Martial Artes Seireijutsu > Spirit Artes Magi > Spirit Shifted Artes Charge Waza > Charged Artes

Second Artes I don't know.

Rats
The Garbage Corps. are called the Rats. Very fitting if you ask me since they're a spy organization, but not a fitting name for an organization with Presa in it. My opinion. Sorry but with the forums down due to maintenance or repairs where are we too-- I got it! You guys can use the Yugiohcardmaker.net forums until the tales forums come back.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:49, August 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Stop blogging. We don't care. And stop it with the "sorry" spam - if there's something to be sorry about in the first place, don't do it.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:43, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Trolleriffic
So I noticed this fool called OneFive008 keeps blanking wiki pages. I don't have the patience to go all-out edit war on 'em, so I figured I'd notify you. You're the fellow with the banhammer in his back pocket, after all. --Genowhirl (talk) 06:56, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

She must not be online. If she were, the perpetrator would have already been dealt with. In the meantime, simply ignore it. I've dealt with much more experienced vandals. This guy is an amateur.

Moviebaby (talk) 07:01, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Hi
You don't know how relieved I am to see you.

Moviebaby (talk) 09:21, August 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * If I'm not online when something like this happens, try to send a report to the Wikia Central people via Special:Contact/general.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:25, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

I did, but I noticed that after I sent the report, it gave me a message indicating the response could take up to two to three business days. Needless to say, once we thought he was gone, we were able to revert each page. I only edit-warred with him there at the end to see if it would make him stop. Anyway, everything looks fine now.

Moviebaby (talk) 09:33, August 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * For anything that may have been missed, crossreference with this edit log. 260 edits total, confirmed via Special:Editcount. Not all are page blankings, and some are repeated on the same pages. I will browse through everything myself, but you may wish do the same as well.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:40, August 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually there is no need to do so by now. I have checked the history of every single page that was edited, and I can confirm that every page has been reverted to its pre-vandalism state earlier today, without any unscrupulous additions or subtractions that would otherwise have been unnoticed. Everything is okay already, and anything else that can be done is already out of our hands. Just remain vigilant. Based on my observation of the pages that were edited, it was done by someone who just learned about Tales through Xillia's English release and reacted badly because of something related to it. The whole thing was too unsophisticated to be an effort by /v/, and I just checked the Tales thread there and it's just about waifus.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:14, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Tales of Link and Tales of Destiny - A Pachislot Called Fate
According to the most recent AbyssalChronicles articles (http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/), there are two new Tales games in the making/released in Japan. The first is "Tales of Link", which will be released on the smartphone in Japan this fall. The other is a remake of Tales of Destiny called "Tales of Destiny - A Pachislot Called Fate". As the name suggests, it is a Japanese slot machine.

--Agarfinkel (talk) 18:42, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

W...why...?

Moviebaby (talk) 01:54, August 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm already aware of these things, no worries.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:21, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Third-world country?
Off-topic: I saw somewhere you mentioned that you were living in a third-world country, and I know you have stated before that you formerly lived in the U.S. If it's not too prying or irrelevant, which country and why? Just curious, seeing as how your time zone is drastically different from mine.

Moviebaby (talk) 21:26, August 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm living in the same country as Abby from AC. :3c But yeah, every so often I get horrid problems with my internet connection that last for a whole week, or power outages that last up to 50 hours. The recent typhoons and storms have caused a lot of landslide issues around my area too.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:06, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea who Abby is or what AC is, but okay lol. Must be inconvenient. Are you there permanently or just temporarily?

Moviebaby (talk) 23:31, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Think we should add a Glitches/Bugs section?
Just a thought I had, but do you think we should have a page about the list of bugs and glitches from throughout the Tales series, in your opinion? Final Fantasy's wiki has one and it gave me the idea if we could do the same. I just thought it would be interesting since Tales games never seem to avoid having glitches in their final products. Letdragon (talk) 21:03, September 1, 2013 (UTC)