User talk:Mayu Miyuki


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Deprecated HTML script in MediaWiki 1.19
This is mostly applicable to list-type resource pages, but it should be kept in mind regardless for those who don't work with these pages anyway. I just received a notice from Wikia Central concerning an upgrade to the latest MediaWiki software version, which is coded based on HTML5 compliance. This means that many aspects of the wikiscript will now have to be written in CSS rather than in HTML, as some tags are now deprecated and will not function. Among these is the  attribute used as a table parameter, the   tag in general, the   attribute, among others listed here. Basically, anything that uses these elements will have to be changed to use the  tag so that CSS code can be applied.

Concerning the  attribute, the upgraded MediaWiki software will automatically render any instances of this code as   when a given page is loading. But the change should still be made manually because it is a deprecated aspect of HTML coding which should be removed. Furthermore, this code will only apply when the text-align is focused on a single cell, and not for a whole table. I do not know if it applies to a whole row of content, which is our usual use of the attribute.

I do not know when the upgrade will occur, but once it does, we may see some of our table-based content become malformatted in some way, hopefully limited to the alignment of text within each cell. But I cannot guarantee that this will be the only problem. So, if anyone plans to dabble with the list-type pages, make sure to make appropriate changes to the code; it would require -another- total sweep of each of these pages for no change in visual output, at least not yet, but it is better to deal with this somewhat early since we have this early warning.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:10, July 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I need to bump this message for the sake of awareness. I'm not sure how many of you have noticed, but Wikia has made some changes to the way Javascript loads when opening a page. This affects the collapsing function of the Recent Changes log, which aggravates me a lot, and it also causes sorting problems on pages with sortable functionality when the column headers involve colspans. I don't think anything else has been affected yet, but I also need to point out another old change in which the curved corners of several of our templates no longer appear due to the apparent removal of certain attributes like those prefixed with "-moz-". Basically, much of the code on our templates and list-type resource pages needs to be cleaned up to accomodate whatever changes are being made... and at the same time, fixed widths should also be implemented on tables which do not already have this done, to make pages more viewable on the "new look" skin. I will look into some pages soon so that I can provide an example of what needs to be fixed and how, but I truly wish there is some sort of bot which would automate these kinds of tasks.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:55, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * And Wikia decides to change something tangential that ends up bothering me a lot. Redirects will no longer show up as links at the top of a redirected page. Rather, it will go directly to that page name itself, making it very difficult to alter redirects in the future. The only workaround I have been able to discover is to write the redirect page URL into the address bar of one's browser in order to view the redirect directly and then edit it as needed. As minor of a change as this is, of course few people would notice or care, but then I am one of the few people indeed, and Wikia keeps ruining every single thing, starting with the gallery system and eventually the default skin of every wiki, and the actual site admins have no say in the matter, even if we -do- say, LOUDLY so, whenever plans for new changes pop up. In fact, our say was removed when Wikia changed the Terms of Service with the express intent of removing so many admin rights like access to the wiki's internal CSS files. Anyway, I actually forgot about this previous thing with deprecated HTML code, so I will consider how to integrate CSS styles into the page I created last night, just to provide an example for those who would work on such pages.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:34, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that this only affects the search function, based on their own changes to the wiki search capabilities. When I click on internal wiki links, I get the link at the top. Still annoying though. Lanate (talk) 03:11, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Byrocks
Weird they would come up with a gemstone nomenclature for everyone except him. I guess it's no weirder than calling a bird monster Moon Rocks. Letdragon 00:51, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Why wouldn't he be named after a rock? Shing's "gemstone" is a meteorite, while his first name derives from "shingu" which means "heart tool" according to the developers' blog. This is Japan, nothing really has to make sense or be perfectly consistent, as much as I dislike inconsistencies. The Phantasiaverse is rife with it.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:26, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * All I could come up with was rock hole and his last name Burrows made me think of burrowing in a hole, so I thought that would fit the mineral theme for him. I wish I had proof this was accurate because to me it sounds plausible. Letdragon 01:32, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Edits
Excuse me. I was trying to help out in creating some missing pages and I got scolded by MovieBaby because of ill mistakes I made. Is there something wrong with what I am doing? (BurningFlameHaze)

Yes, there were things you were doing wrong, and you would've been "scolded" worse had Mayu caught these edits first. Again, refer to the Manual of Style. You didn't link a single thing in those articles. Also, separate sections when commenting on user talk pages so they don't all clutter together, and sign by typing four tildes. Moviebaby 05:00, July 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, I likely would have just deleted the pages and then call it a day. I haven't been devoting much time to lurking on this wiki lately, and it's bad enough that one of the most notoriously grammar-deficient users is becoming -more- active during this same time I have to cut back on my activity here. In regards to "something wrong", always defer to the MoS and style/format your writing accordingly. Any new pages that do not exist should stay as red links unless someone is able to write enough content to warrant a new page. If this is not possible, then focus on the existing pages and flesh -them- out instead of giving us more pages that are in need of expansion. If anything, someone needs to go to every single edit JuanMa made in the past month and rewrite all of it (ie: how can a statement slap Zelos?); we don't need another user to edit-stalk for other assorted problems.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:44, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, I will no longer be making anymore edits. My grammar and organization skills are imperfect so I will leave the site. I'm sorry. ~BurningFlameHaze

Casey/Canary
All right, chill, chill. There's no need to get mad. It just doesn't seem right to me that you only mention her English edited name, when her original Japanese name, Canary, has metaphorical value to Raven.

In my opinion, it's good to have even a little bit of information. I didn't know who Casey/Canary was or what she looked like because there was a red link here, so I went looking on the Japanese Wikipedia and then Amazon. Even if you or the staff do not have time, contributors are free to help you. I understand there are malicious contributors, and you catch them (trust me, I run a Wiki too), but a little information can be changed into a lot within not too much time if you give it a chance. But that's my opinion.

But whatever. I'll go back to playing Xillia for a second round.

Mewpudding101 (talk) 21:35, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

First of all, please separate sections when commenting so they don't all clutter together. She's not mad, and neither am I. There is just a certain, proper way we do things on this wiki in order to maintain it. As for her name, we always use the Romanized translation on this wiki if one exists. Japanese characters/katana and names are usually listed in parenthesis, one of the few instances where parentheticals are allowed. The issue with single-paragraph articles is that it adds to the impressive list of articles in need of expansion. It's better left as a red link unless someone can properly flesh the article out, leaving little to no work for us. Not to mention, there is information about Casey, and even an image of her, on existing articles (Raven and Great War I believe). Moviebaby (talk) 22:50, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry >W<
I am really sorry about posting those copyrighted pictures, and thank you for deleting them. I am new to this wikia stuff and I didn't know what I was doing ^^'. So again, I am very sorry.--~ ♥Rose♥ (talk) 16:28, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Partnership?
H! I am currently the sole admin/bureaucrat for the Eternal Sonata Wiki and I was wondering if you might be interested in partnering with my wiki. I'm afraid I've never played the Tales series, though after playing Eternal Sonata, it's definitely on my radar. Eternal Sonata and the Tales series are both by Bandai Namco Games, so I think there would be a fair few contributors who would be interested in both. If this sounds good to you, just let me know, and we can go ahead and get it set up. ProfessorTofty (talk) 03:40, August 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. I have never played Trusty Bell myself, but I have heard of good things, and its watercolor/pastel environments can be said to have inspired the artwork direction for Tales of Vesperia. Some further (contrived) connections can be formed by the fact that the creators of the game, tri-Crescendo, are derived from a group that split from tri-Ace, among whom include the original people who worked as part of Wolfteam in creating Tales of Phantasia, although this particular history is not a positive one on Namco's part.


 * I see that you have already added Aselia under the "Other Gaming Wikis" thing at the bottom of the main page, and I will do the same on our own main page shortly. Are there additional terms of affiliation that you are interested in pursuing?


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:59, August 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, the Eternal Sonata Wiki also has a partner page which can be found here. If you don't have something similar and don't want to create it, that's fine, but I'd be happy to add this wiki to the page at the Eternal Sonata Wiki if you have a description and/or logo you'd like to provide for it. It looks like you also have something on the homepage that says "Related Wikia Groups." If the Eternal Sonata Wiki could be added there as well, that would be great! ProfessorTofty (talk) 15:16, August 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done, though I should note that the "Related Wikia Groups" section is really meant to list things which the Tales series is directly involved with beyond mere cameos, such as the Keroro Gunsou series which has a game (Keroro RPG) developed with oversight from Namco Tales Studio, using its trademarked (explicitly for this purpose) Linear Motion Battle System. But I guess it doesn't matter too much. We don't have any descriptions/logos/widgets so that sort of thing is unnecessary for you to provide unless you want to do so.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:51, August 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. Would you like to provide something for me to post on the Eternal Sonata Wiki about this one? Because if not, I'm just going to write up a description myself. ProfessorTofty (talk) 03:13, August 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Go for it. I'll let you know if something should be changed.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:40, August 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, it should be up later today! ProfessorTofty (talk) 21:04, August 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's up! It should be good to go, but let me know if you see anything that needs changing or improving, or feel free to just edit it yourself. ProfessorTofty (talk) 03:31, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Response
Sorry. That's just how I've seen it, but I understand where you're coming from. --LolX3D (talk) 19:53, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Believe me, I have.
I post my fanfictions on Deviantart in parts and the NamcoTales forum as a whole, yet no one replies to them. And I apologize for not telling you. The fanfiction itself is a work in progress. I'm only on Chapter 2.

If you're interested, how about a page on the Radiants? The 10 legendary heroes which you can get the best equipment from.

This is me talking. We can at least have a civilized conversation. I haven't beaten Radiant Mythology yet. I'm working on leveling up my characters to level 40 to use the Radiant's equipment. So far I beat Radiant Thief, Radiant Wizard, Radiant Fencer and Radiant Warrior. I'm currently working on my Priest, so can battle the Radiant Version.

I know Talk Pages aren't blogs and I will get rid of the fanfiction here, but wouldn't that be messing with another person's talk page, which is against the rules as well?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 16:46, August 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * You just said you will get rid of the fanfiction, then you commit one of the most heinous of crimes on this wiki which opposes Wikia social functions which are not present in default MediaWikia software: using the blog function instead of talk pages. Do not even attempt to try this again. I don't care what kind of content is on this kind of blog post or whoever makes it - I repeat: THIS WIKI IS NOT, HAS NEVER BEEN, AND WILL NEVER BE A BLOG. You can (and should) delete your own user/talk/blog pages under your own will by simply clearing the content and never restoring it for ANY reason, unlike what you reverted when you claimed to leave this wiki then came back. I open my mouth just to talk to you and I find myself sucked into your spiral of mischief once more, instead of staying happy just ignoring you since you kept your space-wasting content confined to a small part of the wiki, BUT THE CANCER IS SPREADING AGAIN. If you want a blog, PUT IT ON ANOTHER SITE AND RID US OF YOUR NONSENSE HERE. If you want comments, LOOK FOR IT ON ANOTHER SITE AND LEAVE THE USERS HERE FREE TO DO MORE CONSTRUCTIVE THINGS WITH THEIR TIME THAN READ FAN-RELATED ANYTHINGS ON A FACT-BASED WIKI.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:23, August 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * And what is this crap about apologizing about not telling me? Not telling me what exactly, that you were posting fanfiction on the wiki, even if it is on talk pages? I just told you that I know everything that happens on this wiki. You don't have to tell me anything. I DON'T WANT YOU TO TELL ME ANYTHING. THIS WIKI IS NOT A BLOG. DON'T NARRATE YOUR ACTIONS TO OTHERS WHEN YOUR EDIT CONTRIBUTION HISTORY SHOWS IT CLEARLY. Not only is it redundant, it wastes time and space for you to do so, and then it wastes my time and space for me to tell you this.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:28, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

New Arte Page Request
Hello, just posting to request your permission to create one new arte page for BLUE EARTH? I have enough information from Tales of Eternia and Graces F. --水のウォーリー (talk) 22:49, August 16, 2012 (UTC)水のウォーリー

I can't speak for Mayu, but if you have enough information to create a page that's thorough and informative, just do it. We'll fix any errors there are. I know our priority right now is fixing the pages we already have, but we've been doing that a lot lately, so you can go ahead and create that page if it's good enough. (MabiEditor)

UCHUU KITAAA
Hi Mayu. I don't know if you remember, but at one point you showed me a 4chan thread about the catch phrase "Uchuu kita!". Funny story, I actually ran into that catch phrase again, recently, since it was referenced in an anime I was watching, "Haiyore! Nyaruko-san". I was reminded of the thread you showed me and got a nice kick out of it, again. Fortunately for me, by now TV-Nihon has changed their translation of the phrase to "Space is awesome!", which more or less flies and is an actual translation, ha ha. Lig0schndr (talk) 02:23, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I dunno, I kinda enjoyed the raw stupidity of SPACE KITAAAA and Nyan Cat/Space Personality Sphere/Gurren Lagann spinoffs thereof. Really, the point is that TV-N is known for the most absurd excuse of "translations" ever, and their arguments to defend what they [don't] translate are as exemplary as a blind donkey. There are other classic examples from other groups, sometimes deliberate, ie. "All according to keikaku. [Translator's note: Keikaku means plan.]" In fact, I highly recommend this one particular fansub of Celestial Being: The Movie, a movie within the Gundam 00 movie proper.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:49, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Haha, admittedly "SPACE KITAAA" is pretty funny, but for what I was doing, I appreciated a more normal translation.


 * Oh wow, "All according to keikaku" was a part of a real sub? I always thought that was a fake screen shot. I might need to check out this sub some time... A friend of mine actually showed me that Gundam 00 video a little while ago. I was in stitches, hahaha. Though I appreciated the note for "Gundam-tachi!", since I didn't actually know the origin of the word "Gundam".


 * Lig0schndr (talk) 16:52, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't Nanaly Fletch be renamed to "Nanaly Fletcher"?
In an English Tales of Graces f skit, Asbel mentions her full name as being Nanaly Fletcher, so her name should probably be changed on this wiki to reflect that. Just letting you know. Here's the skit for proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yrCsqXVhT8&list=PL628EE0B60AAD6F20&index=49&feature=plpp_video

And did they ever mention her last name in Radiant Mythology 1? I don't remember if they did. If it was, then the Graces f mention could just be a slight mishap. Kinda like Asbel pronouncing Anise differently in Graces than in TotA.

I also have one last question. Whenever I post messages, my name and message log that's supposed to follow the message never shows up. How can I get it to appear? (MabiEditor)

I don't think we should change it based on one skit. It could have just been an oversight in translation. After all, isn't she referred to as "Nanaly Fletch" in all other appearances, TotA being one? Also, to sign when posting, simply type four tildes (~) at the end of your message. Moviebaby (talk) 00:43, August 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I was trying to pretend this name change did not occur, but yes our policy is that we should always use the most recent localized rendering of the name. Other spelling changes have happened in the past, notably Philia Philis/Felice and Mint Adnade/Adenade, both of whom exhibited spelling changes in Abyss and again in RadiMai. I agree that it may be an oversight, but it could just as easily be an intentional retcon of her name, considering that this is the game with other newly spawned names like "Illia" and "Jadeite". It is official and should be used here alongside other official spellings unless they are blatant auto-spellcheck errors like Phantasia's Kangaroo War (**** that noise). I just didn't want to have to change the category/template/pagename infrastructure to reflect this change in Nanaly's name... even though I really should.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:21, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

English voice actor of cameo bosses for ToV
In an English version of Tales of Vesperia for the Xbox 360, All of characters have been voiced by English. Also Dhaos, Shizel, Barbatos have an English voices. Here's the voice for that proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bvlqOgqRzc Tales of Destiny 2 has never been released in North America. But, every characters have new voice in Tales of Vesperia? Themanasword (talk) 12:40, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * What's your point? Vesperia has English voices due to being localized. Destiny 2 does not.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:25, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * All of cameo bosses have English voice in Tales of Vesperia? Themanasword (talk) 13:31, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course they do. Shizel's voice is new because her Eternia voice actress died already. This is Barbie's first time being voiced in English. Dhaos is probably voiced by the same guy who did his voice in the Phantasia OVA. Kratos is obvious but we would still need valid a valid source for it.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:37, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Er, scratch what I said about Shizel's VA being dead - I must have confused it with someone else like Dhaos or Nanaly's JP seiyuu. No one even knows who old-Shizel's VA was, and there is no point in speculating her new one either.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:55, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Mayu's right. Though I knew right off the bat that Cam Clarke was Kratos (Traitor to Heaven) in Vesperia, I can't make that edit without proof.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 20:30, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

What the heck?
You have reverted almost of my edits. My first edits are changed unofficial name into fan-translated name. but, this is an inappropriate editing behavior. My second edits are changed necessary edit in character template. Radiant Mythology series have non-playable appearances. but, why removing non-playable appearances? And Other games for template having non-playable characters. Tales of Destiny 2 had non-playable characters like Barbatos and Elraine. Why reverting this edit? Themanasword (talk) 15:58, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * The game navigation templates are supposed to show characters who join the party, or are otherwise playable. Such listings must show the names as they appear within status menus or whatever other means which show their names as known by the party during their time within the party itself. Thus, character names like Mithos/Ras/Estelle/Raven are written as such, not using their full names or real names. Any chars who are listed but are not playable are chars who join the party, and all of the chars in the RadiMai games who are listed are those who join Ad Libitum. Likewise, we list other non-playable chars like Ion/Claire/Richea/Emeraude and the various mascots/pets because they join the party even if they do not fight at all.


 * As for individual character templates, these should only list their playable appearances. It would be irrelevant to show non-playable appearances since no data can be attached to them through our resource-type list pages.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 16:09, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Why removed Shizel, Barbatos templates for Tales of Vesperia? and Non-playable and NOT join the party characters like Claire, Agarte have writen in Tales of Rebirth template. Why wrote abusing messages in my talk page? Oh, sh*t.


 * Did you read what I said? Shizel and Barbie never join Yuri's party in Vesperia. Claire and Agarte are very important party members in Veigue's group, and even Milhaust joins the party for the final dungeon. All three of these non-playable characters are shown on the save screen as part of the party, they participate in skits, they travel with the party wherever it goes while they are part of the group, and Claire/Agarte even gain titles throughout the story. They DO join the party. Shizel and Barbie DO NOT.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 16:29, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Found something new.
It would appear that Rowen and Elise will be in Xillia 2 as well. Here's the proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmNgXsDxTNg

It would appear that Rowen now has retired from being King Daius' new general and Elise is attending school. In this trailer, you can tell it's her because Tipo is still with her. Just thought you should know.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:36, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sigh. You didn't even read what I replied when you said THE SAME THING elsewhere. This information is already known for WEEKS and has already been widely disseminated on so many places. This is not new. Do us a favor and stop posting "news", since we already know the news at the time it is actually new. More importantly, stop duplicating your posts on multiple places on this wiki, because you are wasting space and wiki resources. Most importantly, stop thinking as if you are being helpful.


 * If there are things that I "should know", I would find out about them at the same time as everyone else in the community - in fact, I am sometimes the one who -announces- these things as news on the TSF. So no, there is very little I would not know about upcoming games or anything else that is publically known and distributed as news through the usual means, as posts on the TSF or on Abyssal Chronicles. You are wasting your time, and my time for needing to reply to you TWICE (!!), and also my space on this talk page.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:46, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Edit - Who is in favor of making it a bannable offense for a single user to start the same topic on multiple places on this wiki, be it on different talk pages, forums, the Wikia blog garbage, or wherever else, forcing conversations to be spread on multiple places at once? Topics should be confined to one page and one section, not reposted everywhere as if it wouldn't be noticed if it is not done. It's practically spam, nay it -is- spam, and I'm tired of seeing Winxfan perpetrate this constantly. Likewise, replies should always be on the same page for the sake of enabling future readers to follow conversations, and most certainly -not- alternating between two or more pages like every dialogue that occurs between Winxfan and anyone else.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:53, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to be helpful. But apparently there are no spelling errors on any pages. And I'm sorry. I didn't know you already knew of this.

I think it's time you archived this page to save space.

Also, If we can't work on new pages, we should work on ones that already exist. We should start by getting rid of all red links since we aren't going to make pages that will link to them. That is, until it's time to make said links.

And I have been learning from my mistakes. But where else am I supposed to make rough drafts for my articles other than here? And besides, I need more experienced editors like you or Moviebaby to look over them to point out where I went wrong before I publish them. It may be adding work for you but I have to adapt to this wiki's standards and make sure it goes by the MoS. I'm making sure I make the articles neutral third person, check for spelling, punctuation and grammar, I don't even use contradictions on this wiki anymore.

I just want you to be my friend. Is that so hard?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:38, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

No, red links should remain where they are as indicators of absent articles. They will be created in due time when someone is willing to put in the effort - the FULL effort, not some half-assed "he/she said this, then did this, then left". As for your own personal rough drafts, if you have a computer (which obviously you do), I'm sure it has some means of storing text-based data. Also, since Mayu brought it up, I'm going to elaborate. Your conversations which hop back and forth between user talk pages is uncalled for. These conversations should be condensed in one place so that no one has to wonder where the responses are when reading it, and yes, I assure you other people read it. Talk pages are not private messages by any means. They are there for all users to read and make note of incase important things are discussed. Idle conversation not pertaining to the wiki or its contents should be avoided. Moviebaby (talk) 08:16, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, usually, on Pokemon Wikia, I leave a message on a person I want to talk to on their talk page and they respond to me on my talk page, but I guess not all Wiki's are like that. Anyway, I'll get rid of the Tales Fan-fiction I made here along with the Presa article prototype on your talk page.

If it's help you guys need, maybe I can ask some people from Pokemon Wikia and Winx Wikia. I'm sure there are fans of all three series on the net. And I'm sure they'll be glad to help. Maybe some people from Youtube who played the Japanese games can help with other characters. But I guess we should work with what we have first. There is more info, but without translators we can't post it.

And we should update the news section on the main page more often. Otherwise everyone will be in the dark about what's happening in the Tales series.

So, you guys go ahead and get rid of the Blog function. I have a feeling I won't need it anymore.

And thanks for pointing out my faults.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:32, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Wtf?
You also changed Shizel, Barbatos, Elraine, Mithos Yggdrasill templates. Why do not think about Dhaos template? If you should going same MoS and sending abusing messages. I'm should not using this wiki again. Themanasword (talk) 10:24, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

images about legendia
Hi! I saw the Tales of Legendia images that you uploaded few days ago, very interesting indeed. I was wondering if you know where can I find a translated one, or the text at the very least, since i don't speak Japanese --Juan Ma (talk) 07:12, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

News
You're very welcome regarding the news updates, I just it looked so empty there and and the lastest news was just the very existence of Tales of graces f so I thought it needed a dust-off :E It's great to meet other Tales series fans as well, I think its on the rise everywhere right now considering the extra promotion and localization efforts namcobandai are putting into it right now. If you'd like I could handle the news section when I'm not busy? (Duaru)

What you saw on your user talk page is an automated welcome message bot. Nonetheless, the news section on the main page is rarely used, and should probably be deleted, but if someone could update it frequently with accurate information then I don't see a problem with keeping it. Honestly, I think we should just connect it with a legitimate Tales news website so we don't have to worry about updating it. Also, please separate comment sections so they don't all clutter together, and be sure to sign your posts using four tildes (~). Moviebaby (talk) 16:31, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Plus, what Duaru wrote for the News section was pretty horribly written. Somebody ought to correct it and rewrite it. I'd do it myself, but I don't think I have the ability to salvage it.

MabiEditor (talk) 16:46, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Is there any particular page that needs immediate attention?
Seems like everyone is handling things pretty well here. Any page that is not being immediately addressed that I could handle? Letdragon (talk) 19:33, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Category:Stubs. You might want to ignore the arte pages because that should be a dead project, but if you can get rid of the stub tags by adding content and redesigning the pages to fit the proper format, that's fine. But the miscellaneous pages for chars/locations/terms which remain as stubs should be dealt with first and foremost.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:13, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Such as the characters whose pages have little information about them? Letdragon (talk) 00:53, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yush. Try to focus on the ones which are relatively important in the story and avoid working on pages devoted to one-shot characters with a short exposure within the plot, though you can do so if you have something sizeable enough to add.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:46, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I did manage to learn more about the mobile phone Tales characters. I will add something to their profiles when I manage to learn full stories for each of them, so they are not all just one paragraph each with little blurbs. Letdragon (talk) 13:46, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

image request
Abyssal Chronicles here have some scans of the Tales of Vesperia Japanese Official Complete guide in his gallery and i am interested in the Don Whitehorse and Clint images. Can I use those images as long as I cite the source? Only if you authorize this request. Is up to you --Juan Ma (talk) 20:33, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * If it's cited, it's fine. Abby's site is one of our affiliates, so we should be doing more cross-website stuff. We were supposed to move onto her servers in order to escape Wikia's horrid changes to the MediaWiki software's basic functions, but that plan sorta fell by the wayside a year or two ago due to Wikia's intention to keep this wiki as a fork, resulting in duplicate content the likes of which is being experienced even now by the two World of Warcraft and the two Touhou Project wiki sites.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:05, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

I forgot one last thing. If I crop, change the brightness or contrast levels or even change its size, would that be a copyright violation even if the image is cited? --Juan Ma (talk) 03:07, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * In the image upload summary, you must say that it "has been modified from the original image at [insert source here]".


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:44, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

how can I delete an image?
I made a mistake while uploading an image so how can i delete that image? the one i am trying to delete is Duke.jpg --Juan Ma (talk) 22:33, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Only Mayu can delete images. Moviebaby (talk) 22:59, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

the "transportation" category
For the record, i wasn't the one who added the transportation category in the Rheairds article, I just added the Tales of Phantasia category. That transportation category was published by Pictomancer in 2009 (you can check the history). Since that category was on that page for so long, I thought it was an approved categorization when I edited the Tartarus, Albiore, and Fiertia a long time ago. That's why we had the issue about the transportation category in the past regarding those vehicle theme pages. I hope this make clear the misunderstanding about the unofficial transportation category. --Juan Ma (talk) 08:00, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Mayu can see exactly who added that and when it was added. The "Edit Summary" boxes are for general statements and clarifications to all users. Unless you see your username in one of them, it most likely isn't directed toward you. Moviebaby (talk) 18:59, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

I just wanted to clarify that problem since it showed when I edited the Rheairds page, cause I had the same issue when i edited the fiertia and the other pages in the past. Thats all. --Juan Ma (talk) 19:56, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Redirection of the fan-translated arte names
You have deleted the Regal Phoenix (Kouou Tenshouyoku), Celestial Blade (Zankuu Tenshouken). These names are fan-translated names. But Psion Bolt has redirected to be Demon Fang. Add yet pages have Infernal Overlord (Maou Shakumetsujin), Sundering Light (Shinretsu Senkouzan), etc. Redirection add please. I should not move fan-translated names, but redirection has necessary. Themanasword (talk) 10:05, October 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for telling me. I will now DELETE all fan-translated arte names you have mentioned to me and anything else I come across, because we will not recognize their use on this wiki. Have a nice day.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:07, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Images
If you're willing to work with me, I'm willing to assist you in the image sweep you keep referring to. I don't mind putting in the effort when I can if I have someone else who knows what they're doing assisting me. If you explain what I need to do, I can work on it whenever I have time. Moviebaby (talk) 15:38, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

images' explanation
Sorry for not responding in time. Regarding the images from Iparchive, the creator of the LP regarding the games Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World,wdarkk, gave permissions under the Fair Use of of the Copyrights Laws from the U.S.A. These are the emails that i send him a while ago:   and  you can check the confirmation. Fell free to read it. I hope this is just a big misunderstanding. I should have published it on my talk page. There are some image such as the Aionis and Brute (not the artwork) that are solely mine and those weren't taken from Iparchive.com. So what is gonna be boss? --Juan Ma (talk) 00:24, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Hey!!!Thanks for the message!XD If there's anything you want,you can talk to me!!!! (Tales of Wikia)

You surprised me.
Hi. I just came by to tell you something: Just when I had you figured out you surprised me. You deleted pictures Juan Ma uploaded, but after reading his complaint, you decided that they should be put back. My question is why the change of heart?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:22, October 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Mayu thought I committed copyrights violations with the images on Iparchive.com, but it turns out I had the permission granted by the owner (wdarkk). It was just a big misunderstanding. Even Mayu can make mistakes like everyone. --Juan Ma (talk) 00:02, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Juan. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:46, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Correction: Juan Ma failed to provide sources for the images he uploaded, leading Mayu to believe they were in copyright violation. She had already explained the providing a source rule to him several times, but it somehow flew past him. Regardless, though permission was granted for use of the images, clarification needs to be stated to prevent a repeat of this situation in the future. That was a lot of work on Mayu's part when it technically was not her fault, but Juan Ma's. And for Christ's sake, Winxfan, would it kill you to condense your comments? Double-spacing after every sentence is completely unnecessary. Every time I spot it, I'll take the liberty myself. Moviebaby (talk) 23:27, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Legitimate Sources
It's been a while after I talked to you. Anyway, skip the introductions, I want to know the examples of legitimate sources that are on the internet. I mean, sure we need a convincing site in order to provide information, but I wanna know the examples of them. Is Abyssal Chronicles good enough? Or is there anything else?

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 02:06, October 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. Official sources such as Namdai itself, Namco Bandai Studios which was formed by officially closing down Namco Tales Studio earlier this year, affiliated groups like Production I.G/Ufotable/Cup of Tea Productions/8-4 Ltd./etc., and the games and media themselves, always hold highest priority. Youtube videos of official trailers/commercials are valid provided that they are just links and not embedded videos which will not be allowed. If you can get info/images/whatever from these places, cite them and forget about everything else unless additional info is found elsewhere. The "elsewhere" includes magazine and artbook scans, or news posts from respected blog sites that get info directly from these magazine and artbook scans and official trailers, ideally the Japanese sites handled by Nore139 or Jaysonic, or English sites like Abyssal Chronicles and Tales Union... and note that we are affiliates with them for -precisely- the reason that they are reliable, accurate, and always try to get info from as close to the primary source as possible to avoid spreading misinformation, although it does happen (see Narikiri Dungeon 4).


 * That is what we should be doing here as well, and if there is info on Abby's site that was found on one of the JP blogs, cite that instead. Following after these places, any site or work which features specific data again not found in any of the above places such as guides with specific numbers should be noted, but any JP source must be considered for verification if possible, such as an atwiki or similar site which will often have the same info and more, and I rank JP sources higher than English ones. If no cross-verification can be found for data on English guides, then if it is a published strategy guide, it can be cited as normal. If it is an online guide published on GameFAQs/IGN/Neoseeker, permission must be sought from the writer to use it here, as I have done a couple of times, or it must be cross-checked through your own game. Any minor edits made to list-type pages after being uploaded are usually the work of people who checked their own game, so they do not need to be bound to a specific source since it means the existing sources were incomplete or wrong. The least ideal place to get things from are people who are posting whatever it is online for personal entertainment (let's plays, RP blogs) but are providing it to the wiki -with permission-. If possible, get your own content from the games.


 * Anything that is unconditionally disallowed includes images that are "claimed" (whether they are legally valid claims is irrelevant) by using watermarks or "copyrighted by...", or images containing additional text overlays (meaning subbed images should not be allowed - get screenshots from the raws instead), or altered images that merge/splice things which are not part of the original (imagine Stahn's face pasted on Mr. Ending in Abyss to show his true identity as Red-Haired Stahn). Anything gathered from sites where contributor information is intentionally obfuscated like the ***boorus or imageboards like 2ch and /v/ should be avoided completely. And of course, determine the difference between what is official and what are rumors/lies/assumptions/interpretations.


 * This is probably more information than necessary, but this is the same framework for finding sources for news, data for list-type pages, images, even literal translations for arte quotes if they are not done by yourself. Prioritize sources that are as close to the primary source as possible, and the farther away it is from that, the more necessary it is to request permission. That is why no permission is necessary when you get things from your own games, because the games are as official as they can be, provided that you have enough time on hand to look through them and get what you need.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:30, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Literal and Localized
Just wanted to ask, if the literal translation is already there and localized is available, if they are similar do we just leave them, or can we add them? e.g. I made a page for Supreme Elements and so far the literal translation exists. But, when Tales of Xillia becomes localized, the localized incantation will be available. Does that mean that I can put it in but delete the Literal, if you know what I mean? Oh, and 'thou heart' was meant to be 'thine', my bad. I was going to change it some time but it seems that you got to it before I did.

Thanks. --水のウォーリー (talk) 10:52, October 22, 2012 (UTC)水のウォーリー


 * If they are essentially identical, add the localized and remove the literal. Synonyms and rewordings do not change the meaning of the sentences most of the time, and the intention behind showing literal translations is to point out what the differences actually are, especially in situations where the localized thing is missing a certain phrase or concept that is mentioned in the original language. It is wildly redundant to pretend that the Japanese text is somehow different when you replace certain words as if you think they are more valid as a translation for a given kanji compound when it makes no difference. Believe me when I say you are not the first one who did this, which is part of why I eternally insist that arte pages are a dead project and character/location/term articles are always something that need to be focused on in order to get rid of the stubs once and for all.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:02, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Majin Rengokusatsu
ToD2 - Judas: Artes article shown as Infernal Suffering. Its kanji has 真神煉獄刹, not 魔神煉獄殺. 真神煉獄刹 is not have a localized name. Fix request. Themanasword (talk) 18:36, October 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * But you're the horrible person who changed it to "Transcendant Penance" on August 19, 2012. I will remove the localized name in accordance with our policies, but your fan-translated names are never welcome on the arte list pages. You will also note that people on the official Tales forums also dislike your attempt to pretend that fan-translated nams are official, as seen on the topic you created in the RadiMai subforum which has no one contributing to your thread because it is unofficial garbage.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:30, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Archiving talk page comments
Due to certain users, my talk page has become quite overloaded, so I was wondering how to archive the comments like you have done. Just an simple explanation will be greatly appreciated. Moviebaby (talk) 00:00, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just copy (ctrl+C) the content that you want to archive, then create a page entitled User talk:Moviebaby/Archive 1. In fact you can just click on this red link and create it that way. Paste (ctrl+V) what you have copied, add some notifications at the top of both this page and your base talk page, as well as a link to the archive on your talk page. The archive will automatically have a back-link at the top of the page, immediately below the title. Then you can delete from the base talk page what has already been archived. It's entirely a manual process of ko-pi-pe, that's all.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:16, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the Zaphias article...
You don't have to be so mean about it.

I was simply showing Moviebaby a preview of the Zaphias artcle like I did the Presa article that will be worked on in the future when Xillia becomes localized. She said the content of that article was good, but my writing style needed work. I get the fact that we need to work on the existing pages by adding more detals, but they all looked so perfect. I even attempted to work on Cheria's article, but thought deeply on how you would react to it. For example, I wanted to add more details about how she got captured, or the names first mention, meaning I have to provide a link to a name of another character, in full, the first time it the name is written in the article. The only exception to this was Estelle, whose full name is pretty lengthy, and another name that's lengthy is Natalia's full name. Just some examples.

At pokemon wikia, which is expanding with new pages almost every day, with me contributing a new episode article every Thursday, let me just say You're not the only one who deals with a bad editor. Over the past few days I had to constantly deal with an editor whose contributor number is 67.250.74.212. Every time he/she does the stupid thing of answering the questions I write in my plots. They are meant to keep the reader in suspense, even if they are short. The reason is because we have had a couple of good plot writers but after a while they quit. The purpose was to make an original, fully detailed episode plot similar to those on bulbapedia or serebii but not exactly like them, and, as you are aware already, I am not good at such a thing. Back on topic, I try to tell him to stop but he/she doesn't do so and as a result I got banned for a week there by Jazzi. I probably deserved it, but I do work hard there if anything new comes up like an english dubbed version of the episode title.

I'm probably boring you with all this so I'll just stop here. I'm pretty much bored with Winx Wikia after I got my year badge, and I was hoping you would let me and Moviebaby be in charge of a Vesperia pages project, since we are playing the same game, though I'm not sure if we're both plaing the Xbox version or I play it and she's playing the PS3 version. We could collaborate on ideas, but first things first we have to make the articles here the best they can be. Meaning before we can add new pages, we must work on existing ones, no matter how minor they are. I may not know about japanese translation but I can work on an american end. All I ask is that you givve me two lists: one on articles that have been perfected and ones that need work. Of course you're going to tell me: "Figure it out on your own!" in which case I may have to.

Well, that's all I have to say about the topic. Wish me luck, or not. It's your choice.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:11, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well you're proving yourself to be a problem user everywhere, so I'm not surprised. There is no need for "suspense" in encyclopedia articles, just facts. Your idea of "working hard" is working to force others to work hard to undo your writings and then start from scratch. One can tell at a glance if an article needs work or not; just look at the details that are added. I already did provide you with examples of well-written pages through all of the edits I have made to most of the Eternia articles recently, and did I not mention how Ras and Max now have pages far more detailed and better than that of the main character Reid? I shouldn't even have to tell you to "Figure it out on your own!" because it is all common sense, unless one's quality expectations are as low as yours and you can't tell the difference between a good article and one that is "Nice huh?", which is already a synonym for utter trash.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:25, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Mithos or Mithos Yggdrasill?
ToS Template shown as Mithos. It has redirected Mithos Yggdrasill. I'm changed Mithos Yggdrasill instead of Mithos. But, you have reverted them and inserting abusing messages in my talk page. WHY? I don't know about differences of Mithos and Mithos Yggdrasill. Themanasword (talk) 10:31, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Because on game templates, we will always show their names as they are known to the party while they are -in- the party, always prefering what is written in the menus. Thus, we also have Ras and -not- Rassius Luine, and Estelle and -not- Estellise Sidos Heurassein, and Natalia L.K. Lanvaldear and -not- the full thing. Mithos is known as "Mithos" to the party while he is a member of the party. Therefore, our game navigation templates will comply with that. If you read our Manual of Style, discretion must be used when putting full names in the text of any content-based article to avoid spoilers, but full names should always be used if this is not an issue. WE HAVE POLICIES FOR THESE THINGS YOU KNOW. And I write abusive things on -everyone's- talk pages. Get over it dear, you're not special.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:39, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Young Mithos was playable in ToS? Same with Past-looks Shizel?
 * If he was playable, Arte info is necessary. Themanasword (talk) 10:44, October 24, 2012 (UTC)