User talk:Winxfan1

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Aselia! Thanks for your edit to the ToS:DotNW - Filifolia family: Evolutions page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Mayu Miyuki (Talk) 16:38, 2011 November 23

Your recent contributions
With all due respect, we will not be using your format for our pages at all. "General information" regarding monsters must be displayed in a table format using our standard list page design. An example of such a page can be found on ToS - Monster Book. Data is displayed most clearly in this way, and it can be organized according to user preference due to sortable column functionality.

Your method of display is not just wordy and inconsistent with our existing pages, it also makes inefficient use of space, creating a lot of whitespace areas when viewing the page using the NOT "Wikia New Look" skin, the always superior Monobook skin which is the only skin that we will support on this wiki (because **** that Oasis skin and all the garbage and page width limitations it adds to pages for the sake of social nonsense).

Unfortunately, since I do not want these pages to be propogated any further, I will have to delete them. I will give you an opportunity to save your data for your continued private use, but the pages will be deleted by the end of this week, guaranteed. In other words, do not waste your efforts to make more of these kinds of pages, or even to edit the ones that you had already published. Instead, it would be great if you revise and collate the information onto a single page using the format I have provided through that Monster Book page from the prequel game, and if you do not have enough knowledge about how to manipulate MediaWiki source code to make the pages fit the kind of information you want to display, just do your best by editing the existing source code on that page. Of course, you may continue to ask for my help on anything you might need. I will probably clean up the pages myself anyway once they are published, since certain aspects like the necessary Japanese text are always required in my view, even if you don't have access to that knowledge.

Furthermore, these tables will only list the default statistical data of the creatures under the "Normal" difficulty setting and without experience modifiers of any kind. Any alterations to those stats on higher difficulties or whatever other conditions are usually proportionally increased, and the multipliers themselves should be listed on a completely different page for which we still have no working format at this time - the page that should take up the "System" link on the navigation templates for every game. In other words, the stats of different difficulties and whatnot are too extraneous to list, and it is better to omit them entirely. Only the base values are relevant and needed.

Oh and, welcome to the wiki and all that, please disregard the welcome message bot which I hate and cannot disable, and please review the rules ennumerated on the Manual of Style and take note of our priorities. I'm starting to feel more and more like that useless bot every time I say this. :'(

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 05:26, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

I forgot to mention this. Regarding individual images for specific monsters, this is instantly denied. We will not be creating individual pages for any monster or family of monsters, as this is an extensive project which would only serve to inundate this wiki with even MORE stubs and effectively useless pages on top of those which we already have. Don't be idealistic about it by thinking you can do everything on your own - that's how I made the first 500+ pages for individual artes before I realized that this wiki has more important things to deal with, and I probably would have banned myself for making those many pages and helping to expand a bad trend if I had the powers and attitude I have now.

Therefore, images related to individual creatures become largely pointless, as there will be no article which would display those images efficiently. Again, all data must be displayed in a table format, and images are simply not allowed in these tables due to formatting concerns and the workarounds we have to do to make the information fully visible on that terrible "Wikia New Look" skin which no one should be using anyway. Pictures add more weight to the tables, as well as contributing to increased loading time for people with slower net connections, including myself due to where I now live. So pictures of the monsters themselves are not a worthy project to invest in, and that effort is better spent dealing with other priorities instead.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 05:37, November 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * By 'saving for private use', I meant that if you need to preserve the data you posted on your computer (if you haven't already), I am giving you a chance to do so. If you don't need to do that, then just tell me if I can delete those pages right away.


 * As for some minor semantics - do keep in mind that since this is a monster book, it should display all enemies, not just the capturable ones, but also the bosses, the humans and half-elves in particular. Just like with the first Symphonia's monster book page, the boss enemies will belong in their own section. What does -not- need its own section are separations for each family of creature - that is the entire point of the "Family" column of the table. If you separate everything into different sections based on family, the sortable functions won't work. And the Japanese text -is- required. If you don't know where to get the Japanese text, I will do it myself. But we will not make pages "without them" because they are absolutely necessary on any and all of our list-type pages, as those pages serve as a translation resource.


 * And finally, there is no "you" on this wiki. All articles must be written in a third person context; words such as "you" and "I" are forbidden outright. It is not "you" who does things in the game, it is the party. And in this case, since this monster list is universal and applies to all enemies regardless of if they can be captured or not, that sentence does not need to be there at all.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:32, November 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * I provided a basic design for the columns to be used. If there is any more data that should be described, please let me know, but I think I provided a space for everything important.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:35, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

>[...] but there's also the odds of making a pact with them
 * It's on the page already.

>how much Exp they're worth (no multipliers involved)
 * It's on the page already.

>their max level
 * It's on the page already.

>the levels they evolve at
 * The minimum levels are listed within the Previous Evolution column. (It's on the page already.)

>what they evolve into and what they evolved from
 * What they evolve from is on the page already. What they evolve to can be discovered with a bit of searching, so that's mostly repetitive info.

>a little description about each monster wouldn't hurt either
 * It hurts a lot. There is no more space on the page, and description content really cannot fit anywhere, on any of our list type pages. I did propose a solution for that before, but with the effort it would take to implement it on all pages (technically creating new pages that mirror each and every list-type page that exists), it's just too much of a problem to worry about in the near (or far) future.

>Also, I bet you played ToS:DotNW so you must know the levels at which a monster evolves (or de-evolves) into it's starter form.
 * I did play the game. But it was so long ago, so I don't remember details like that. I can't check the game for that sort of thing on my own either, since I left behind all of my games and consoles in the US when I moved overseas. Besides, DotNW is not exactly a game I found to be memorable when compared to other titles in the series. I don't even consider myself to be a fan of the Tales series these days, but no one cares about my ranting about the Tales Cycle on the official forums so...

>BTW, would the ten statues in ToS:DotNW be classified as equipment or other.
 * I don't even remember anything about statues. Sorry.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:07, November 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well actually, the evolution levels you were asking about are listed on the Japanese source that was added to the References section of that page. Since the info is there, you don't have to test everything on your own unless you really want to. I can fill in the missing data since I can read Japanese, so you can omit anything you need to. The same applies to the Japanese text for the creature names. As for the statue thing, okay, now I kinda remember what those were used for, and I changed the way the previous evolutions are displayed on that table to allow the statue things to be mentioned when they are required.


 * The only data that is not recorded elsewhere, as far as I can tell, is the base stat data. I know that the stats can change due to herbs and level ups and repeated evolutions back to the starter form, but what I want are the stats that the creatures start with when they are caught for the first time in the wild. Oh, and I just remembered that DotNW has a different stat system from earlier games in the series like Symphonia, so I'm going to make one quick change before I go to sleep. Different time zones and all that.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:30, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Statues are equipment. If I remember correctly, they are accessories. Lanate (talk) 20:06, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, warning time. You will not use other people's talk pages as a dump site for information that I already told you I do not want on this wiki. If I wanted to make the page for you, I would have done so by now, using MY preferred resources, which are almost entirely Japanese in origin since I absolutely do not care about the localization status of ANY of the Tales games, other than the arte names that such localizations create. If you didn't already realize it, my talk page is MASSIVE as it is, and it is actually separated into five different pages already, four of which are archives of previous years which are linked at the top of my talk page. I do not need 13,000 additional text characters to be added to the current version of that talk page, especially with content formatted in a way that I already told you is terrible and why it is. Keep it for your own records, and format it in the way that this wiki requires if you choose to publish it here (by "here" I mean on the correct page, and not someone else's own talk page), or don't post it at all.

I have deleted that entire block of text. No, I will not be using your information, because I have more important things to worry about. I just got home from some important real life matters, and this is NOT what I needed to see when I refreshed the Recent Changes page just a few minutes ago. It's your job (or whoever else is up to the task) to complete the table. I only provided the basics so that you know what to do and how to format things. And that's why I find it absolutely puzzling why you would delete the "Puchipuri" bit that was already on the page. That is what the Japanese text says. If you read through the Manual of Style link I already provided to you yesterday, you would see that not only is the Japanese text always required, their transliterations must also be listed if the localized name happens to be different in any way, even if it's anything as basic as tense or plurality for things written in katakana. I added what you deleted from that page back in, and I also added "Fungal", because again, that is the Japanese name of the creature, which must be displayed because we are a translation resource.

I'm sorry if I seem more than irritable right now, but I really don't want to care about this whole thing. Again, DotNW is a game I'd rather forget, and while there are worse games, even in the Tales series, that does not make it any more favorable in my mind. Add to this the fact that I haven't eaten in over 30 hours, I'm on a deadline for something that must be completed tomorrow (should have been yesterday), and that I just want to vent some anger right now. I apologize if my attitude is scaring you off, but really, this is how I act around here normally - you simply got to meet the more appreciative and open-minded version of myself yesterday.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:54, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

>For accessories, uhhh, you work on the chart for that, I'll stick to finding info.
 * No. I already told you I'm busy with other things, both on this wiki and outside of it. Now that I see the sudden flood of edits that another two users just happened to make while I have been away from the net during this whole day, it looks like I have to resume my usual wiki janitor duties to wade through the potential [janitor analogy goes here] and clean all of it up if necessary (and it usually is). I mean, you yourself are making pages that are pointless to have if you won't bother to finish them to a state of near completion. If you won't take that effort, then you should not create the page, because instead of doing the work you set aside the time to complete, you are instead making YET ANOTHER pointless stub on this wiki that someone else has to complete for you, like one other user had the unfortunate task of doing to your newly created page for mittens. You added ONE ENTRY to that page - you may as well not have made a page at all, and left it as a red link. I find myself saying this so many times to many different people, but I would rather have red links than pages with so little info that they may as well be red links to begin with!

>Everyone has to contribute. I feel like Emil in so many ways.
 * Contribute by working on one thing at a time. You said you would be working on the monster list. Do the monster list. Don't spread your efforts around and do not publish your half-efforts for everything in sight, because then everything becomes a half-effort instead of a few fully complete pages and a few red links. I hate doing work for others, or forcing others to do that same work instead of the person who starts something and then vanishes for whatever reason. For instance, several of those pages for Tales of Innocence were started by one guy who actually waits several months before making some other edit. The pages he created simply amounted to one section or a few entries out of several, and finally I got so fed up with it that I rushed everything that needed to be done in those pages within a day or two, complaining the entire way through. If you continue this, it would be as if I made the monster list and everything else, just like I had to do with those Innocence pages, and your contributions become practically nothing.


 * So please, by all means, finish what you start. Do not branch off into other things, or you are wasting not your own time, but my time and that of others who share my view. Leave the red links alone until you can commit to completing the pages on their own merit. Ideally, you should not even publish anything until it is at a near-complete state, if not already perfection incarnate (which requires Japanese text and romanizations, and fixed width mods to override the useless features of the "Wikia New Look" skin). Otherwise, everyone -is- contributing, except for you, unless you consider stubs to be a contribution. I do not. In fact, I see stubs as a negative contribution, which, again, means that I'd rather have the "zero", the red links themselves.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:37, November 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * First of all, I don't really care to read about your thoughts of your own progress. Anyone can see your progress at any time by viewing the Recent Changes page. And looking at that page, you still are not focusing on the ONE thing you said you would commit yourself to. While I don't mind if you are filling in unknown numbers on pages that are already complete, you are -still- adding things to that page for Accessories, and those things you added are -still- incomplete. I do not want one or two entries of a single type of item in a section. I want the whole section filled, or nothing at all. In fact, if you create the page, make sure all sections the whole page are filled or close to it when the page is created. Otherwise, leave it alone (which is easier if you never created those other pages in the first place) and focus on filling the one page you started first, so that someone who deserves the credit can finish those other pages in a single, complete edit instead of having twenty or more of your fragmented edits which are still far from complete.


 * Let me repeat. Work on the monster list. Finish the whole thing. Everything. Don't start on anything else. Anything else you did already start on, leave it alone so that you can get to it after you complete the first thing, or so that someone else can complete it all for you during that intervening time, like Zolo has been trying to do. If you don't focus on completing a single thing to a state of near-perfection, you are just spreading your focus too thin on everything, and we are left with everything being useless stubs instead of glorious complete pages plus red links.


 * Now about those additional columns you placed on the monster list page, you apparently are not aware that those synch abilities are randomly chosen out of the entire pool of abilities for every creature, at the moment they are captured. In other words, any Filifolia can have any of the synch abilities possible. So this is not something that can be listed on any table. As for the chapter in which plot enemies appear, don't add it at all. It's extraneous information that no one needs. Later boss battles with the same character are shown with the number placed beside the character's name.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 06:58, November 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, it's clear that you are not even paying attention to what I've been telling you this whole time, and at this point I am rather fed up with all of this. As I said before, on this very page, we will NOT have separate sections for monster types or families, since it ruins the sortable column functionality. That information is already included in the tables, so it is redundant to make such sections in the first place. I hate having to repeat myself, and it's bad enough that I must do so every time a new user appears. Having to repeat the same things to the same person is simply maddening no matter how I look at it.


 * As for that question that you asked on my talk page regarding going back to the pages you started without making sure they were relatively complete upon the very first edit, it seems you never went back to that page to see my response, or perhaps you are unclear about my answer, which I will now repeat for simplicity's sake: NO. You are just adding more **** sections to that page for accessories instead of COMPLETING the sections you started already, which is exactly what I've been telling you NOT TO DO. It is not a badge of honor for your contributions to have those disgusting stub tags littering the pages. I hate them. Admittedly they are not as bad now that the animated gif was removed, but even having ONE stub tag on a single page is a bad thing. I do not want to see TWENTY of them at once. You will make NO MORE new pages. You will make NO MORE new sections on the pages you already created. You will complete what you have started, or I or someone else will do it for you against our own wills, meaning you might as well not even be present on this wiki if it comes to that.


 * If this is the sort of thing I come back to whenever I have network troubles for a few days, and no one else raises a comment about it in the intervening time, just imagine the other failures that will occur when people like you come through here during those days when I am gone for an even longer period of time.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:41, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reminder Page
This is so I don't forget about what to add when the time comes: Lake Sinoa Cave: Box 1: Life bottle. Category: Consumables Box 2: 300 Gald Box 3: Mittens. Category: Mittens Box 4: Cape. Category: Accessories Box 5: Apple Gel. Category: Consumables Box 6: Bandanna. Category: Bandannas

Tower of Mana: Box 1: Cocoon. Category: Synthesis Materials Box 2: Red Ribbon. Category: Ribbons

Underground Ruins: Box 1: Poison Charm Box 2: Sage Box 3: Slough Box 4: Opal Box 5: Silk Cloak Box 6: Ink Box 7: Seal Charm

Dynasty Ruins: Box 1: Thunder Cape Box 2: Lizard Skin Box 3: White Mittens Box 4: Long Sword Box 5: Life Bottle Box 6: 2500 Gald Box 7: Leather Cape Box 8: Gothic Spinner Box 9: Sturdy Bandanna

Iselia Human Ranch: Box 1: 3000 Gald Box 2: Melange Gel Box 3: Wind Cape Box 4: Scale Gauntlets Box 5: Flower Petals Box 6: Pineapple Gel Box 7: Lizard Skin Box 8: White Mittens Box 9: Chamomile Box 10: Silver Cloak Box 11: Silver Spinner Box 12: Silver Plate Box 13: White Ribbon

Triet Ruins: Box 1: Pineapple Gel Box 2: Water Cape Box 3: Half Gauntlets Box 4: Black Ribbon Box 5: Broadsword Box 6: Stone Block

Balacruf Mausoleum: Box 1: Blue Lavender Box 2: Mystic Mark Box 3: Heal Mark Box 4: Blue Chamomile Box 5: Thief's Cape Box 6: All-Divide Box 7: Boots

Camberto Caves: Box 1: Hunting Sword Box 2: Demonic Spinner Box 3: Mystic Cloak Box 4: Battle Gauntlets

Camberto Caves (Herbs): Herb 1: Lavender Herb 2: Aquamarine Herb 3: Tomato Herb 4: Mushroom Herb 5: Lettuce Herb 6: Verbena Herb 7: Radish Herb 8: Carrot Herb 9: Bell Pepper Herb 10: Onion Herb 11: Cucumber Herb 12: Bell Pepper Herb 13: Basil Herb 14: Onion Herb 15: Lettuce Herb 16: Potato

Temple of Ice: Box 1: White Manuscript Box 2: Fire Cape Box 3: Mystic Cloak Box 4: Light Gauntlets Box 5: Light Plate Box 6: 3000 Gald Box 7: Gold Spinner Box 8: Melange Gel

Temple of Darkness: Box 1: Melange Gel Box 2: 3000 Gald Box 3: Lamia's Hair Tie Box 4: Lemon Gel Box 5: Mimic Fragment Box 6: Life Bottle Box 7: Quality Stone Box 8: Life Bottle Box 9: Weak Charm Box 10: 2500 Gald Box 11: Pineapple Gel

Cape Fortress: Box 1: Fragrant Wood Box 2: Animus Box 3: Light Bandanna Box 4: Holy Cloak Box 5: 3000 Gald Box 6: Stone Charm Box 7: Black Spinner Box 8: Witch Mittens Box 9: Pineapple Gel Box 10: Philosopher's Stone Box 11: Twisted Horn Box 12: Virus Charm

Temple of Lightning: Box 1: 3000 Gald Box 2: Mirage Mittens Box 3: Quality Stone Box 4: Earth Cape Box 5: Shock Charm Box 6: Striped Ribbon Box 7: Holy Mark Box 8: Topaz Box 9: Red Basil Box 10: Red Basil Box 11: Virus Charm Box 12: Black Sword

Temple of Earth: Box 1: Wind Cape Box 2: 2000 Gald Box 3: Ogre's Blood Box 4: Wyvern's Wing Box 5: Melange Gel Box 6: Lemon Gel Box 7: Insect Fluid Box 8: Stone Charm Box 9: Chicken Bones Box 10: Ruby Box 11: Royal Gauntlets Box 12: Mirage Mittens Box 13: Treat Box 14: Pineapple Gel Box 15: 3000 Gald Box 16: Melange Gel Box 17: Blue Savory Box 18: Specific

Special Box: Dragon Spinner

Toize Valley Mine: Box 1: Light Bandanna Box 2: Life Bottle Box 3: Elemental Fragment Box 4: 2000 Gald Box 5: Lemon Gel Box 6: Sapphire Box 7: Amethyst Box 8: Quality Stone Box 9: Dastard Sword Box 10: Animus Box 11: Garnet Box 12: Anima Box 13: Mirage Cloak

Building Number Two: Box 1: Mystic Symbol Box 2: Mythril Mittens Box 3: Dark Cape Box 4: Dusk Bandanna Box 5: Mythril Plate Box 6: Red Sage Box 7: Orichalcum Box 8: Light Cape Box 9: Sardonyx Box 10: Mythril Spinner Box 11: Red Savory Box 12: Mythril Gauntlets Box 13: Mythril Sword

Underground Ruins Extra (Balacruf Symbol Required): Box 1: Retribution Box 2: Rain Maker Box 3: 30,000 Gald Box 4: Soul Blast Box 5: Strange Blue

Martel Temple: Box 1: 4000 Gald Box 2: Elven Cape Box 3: Holy Symbol Box 4: Miracle Gel Box 5: Special Gel Box 6: All-Divide

Ginnungagap: Box 1: Blood Lust Box 2: Red Lavender Box 3: Millstone Box 4: Mind Slicer Box 5: Red Verbena Box 6: Angel Dust Box 7: Red Basil

Plants strengthen pacts with insects, Insects strengthen pacts with birds, Beasts strengthen pacts with Aquatics, Aquatics strengthen pacts with Plants, Birds strengthen pacts with beasts.

My opinion
My opinion, no source, but straight from the horse's mouth, the game itself, plus my own knowledge. This info I'll keep to myself unless verified:

Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World
Seles appears in the sequel when she is kidnapped by Lloyd, to get Centurion Glacies's Core. Zelos goes with Emil and Marta to the Vanguard's base at Cape Fortress to rescue her. They discover Decus was impersonating Lloyd, defeat him, chase off Alice, and recover Seles. After they return to Meltokio, Seles gives Emil and Marta Glacies's core. The two both clearly care for each other greatly, indicating that they reconciled between the two games. It is also mentioned that her health has deteriorated since she gave up her Exsphere, which deeply concerns Zelos. Debi Derriberry did not reprise her role as Seles in the sequel, but instead (Like Genis) she is voiced by Tara Sands.

Thank you for all your contributions to Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World! Anytime you need something checked for grammar mistakes, feel free to ask me. Moviebaby 02:41, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Anime News Network is not a trusted source of voice actor names
Nor has it ever been one. All voice actor name aggregate sites, like IMDB and ANN, cannot and will never be accepted as sources on this wiki. I have noticed that one page that you cited from ANN, specifically on the article for the movie itself, actually contains a link to a proper and valid source. USE THAT. Always cite articles as close to the source material as possible. Funimation counts as an associated party to the voice actors in question, and therefore anything Funimation says on its website is far more trustworthy than whatever things are said on places that may claim it as a source but often insert things which are erroneous due to any number of situations, including bias and human error. That's why there is a distinction between first and third party sources.

Now I cannot personally examine the validity of that Funimation source because the website will only load a page which states that the content is not viewable in my country, given how I now live on the other side of the ocean. So for now, I have reverted the edits instead of putting the correct link, since I am relying on some other user to do the verification for me. Remember, ANN, just like Wikipedia, can never be considered to be a trustworthy source, but any source that they dictate should be reviewed to determine if they are indeed relevant, so that those links/books/materials, not the ANN/Wikipedia/whatever pages, are the ones which will be cited in any future research papers and whatnot.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:28, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

"I'm just trying to help" does not cut it as a reason to cause problems here
If you really want to help around here, then please, by all means, stop trying to force us to fix your mistakes on every possible page that you create. If things do not exist, they will eventually be created the right way the first time on our own time, based on our interests and priorities. You... you really have no place in this at this point. Looking at your attempted table on this very page before you deleted the code, you do not understand the basics of coding and syntax, which is understandable by itself, but I already told you that if I'm going to be the one to make that page, I will do -everything-, and correctly so, whenever I can be asked to do it. What's the point of working on it yourself at the same time, other than give us another situation of overlap of effort, at which someone has to cease and desist, and it might as well be the one who has a lesser grasp on how to make pages on this wiki.

Even ignoring that, I must address the problem of you still trying to make incremental edits, as if the "Publish" button is the only way you know what your edits will do to page output. Guess what, there's another button right next to that called "Preview", which does the same thing but does not save the page, so that when you finally do publish it, it is complete and formatted correctly upon the first edit. If you can't finish a page and publish it in a passable state, then SAVE THE CODE OFFLINE, like on your computer. Don't turn this page or that page into your personal sandbox. So basically, just use the "Preview" button when editing the page, and never even think about touching the "Publish" button unless it is actually complete. This applies to the table which you attempted to create on this very page, and to the list of artes/skills of one monster family. And that page will have to be cleaned up in due time since there are errors of coding consistency which you introduced to the page, which must be eliminated. We would have been better off without that page being created.

Likewise with that page for Magnar. Even a simple cursory glance of our Manual of Style will reveal many problems in your writing style which needed to be purged. Read it. Then stop creating new pages since you probably won't follow it anyway. Things like "you" and contractions are unforgivable on what should be pages that are written in an encyclopedic style. All names must always be written in full at first mention, and linked in those same instances, otherwise the page will be floating in the middle of nowhere with no outbound links. The "Information" section that you added is not present in our Manual of Style, therefore it has been deleted. Besides, it consists of a single sentence, which according to our MoS is always considered to be a bad thing. And the sentence itself is a comparison to another character, rather than a description of the self on his own merits and demerits. The "Story" section lacks context, like -why- Emil and Marta were trying to escape from Hawk. Without context, the content simply cannot be understood. All content pages must always have full detail about the events that are relevant to the topic, in order to allow a page to be fleshed out as an actual essay. Overall, the entire page needs to be rewritten, and probably completely reworded at that, but at least the entire page is not a single sentence that states the obvious. That is its only saving grace at this point.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:26, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Chart Info
White Grimories (Healing Artes):
 * Aska's Embrace: Resist
 * Efreet's Help: Sharpness
 * Gnome's Dust: Barrier
 * Gnome's Flip Out: Dispel
 * Shadow's Language: Scare Shot
 * Sylph's Circle: Healing Circle
 * Undine's Affection: Heal. Alice (1)
 * Undine's Charity: Recover. Siren
 * Undine's Whisper: First Aid
 * Volt's Whim: Charge

Black Grimories (Magic Artes):
 * Celsius' Sigh: Icicle Rain
 * Efreet's Anger: Meteor Storm
 * Efreet's Hammer: Eruption
 * Gnome's Dance: Stalagmite
 * Gnome's Frustration: Gravity Well
 * Luna's Punishment: Prism Sword. Pyanopsion
 * Shadow's Walk: Negative Gate
 * Sylph's Mischief: Turbulence. Wind Master Prime, Synthesis
 * Undine's Tears: Splash
 * Volt's Melancholy: Thunder Blade

Green Grimories (Messages):
 * Message: Artist: DEX Increase 2
 * Message: Fatal Blow: Critical 2
 * Message: Fortress: A. DEF Increase 2
 * Message: Hawkeye: Item Finder 2. Thargelion
 * Message: Mental: TP Increase 2
 * Message: Near Death: Resurrect. Hawk(2)
 * Message: Sage: A. ATK Increase 2
 * Message: Strength: HP Increase 2
 * Message: Stronghold: P. DEF Increase 2. Anthesterion
 * Message: Warlord: P. ATK Increase 2

Red Grimories (EXP increase):
 * Grey Manuscript: 500. Hirsuta
 * White Manuscript: 1,000
 * Yellow Manuscript: 3,000. Gamelion, Mounychion
 * Peach Manuscript: 5,000. Elaphebolion, Skirophorion
 * Scarlet Manuscript: 8,000. Hekatombaion
 * Azure Manuscript: 15,000. Metageitnion
 * Purple Manuscript: 30,000. Maimakterion
 * Silver Manuscript: 50,000. Boedromion
 * Gold Manuscript: 70,000
 * Rainbow Manuscript: 100,000. Poseideon, Magnar (2) Steal

I understand
Don't worry, I've had my run-ins with her as well. Really, I think it's just because she's a perfectionist, which I am too, but often times she may come off as rude. She could stand to be a little more open and allow others to help out on the site (because it always needs work), but who knows if that will happen.

You should try talking to her and letting her know how you feel. If you know you're right, just go for it. Hope this helps. Moviebaby 04:46, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Details about Tales of Xillia may still be a little unclear, but if you can find some good sources, go for it.

And yes, I do have an e-mail. Moviebaby 17:58, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'll see if I can. Moviebaby 18:20, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Meltokio
I guess this bears repeating AGAINAGAINAGAINAGAIN.


 * Do not use parentheticals. Explanation on the Manual of Style.
 * Do not use contractions. Explanation on the Manual of Style.
 * Do not write in a conversational style. Word things in a way that you would expect an encyclopedia to be written. Characters do not "go off", they "leave" or "depart". Characters do not "head over", they "visit". Characters do not "run into", they "encounter" or "meet". Basically, stop using colloquial phrases, and word things in plain and proper and correct English for the sake of those who are not as capable with the language. Why should a body part such as a "head" be a verb? I just summarized this section of the Manual of Style for you, but read it anyway. Manual of Style.
 * Always display the full name of a character at first mention, and make it a link to that char's page. Explanation on the Manual of Style.
 * Did you read the Manual of Style yet? No? Then STOP EDITING PAGES until you learn how to follow the rules.
 * And since you don't like rules, therein lies an ultimatum.
 * Hint: Stop. Editing. Pages.
 * I thought I never have to see you make another edit on this site again. Why are you still here? No nevermind, don't answer, I still don't want to see another edit from you.

I know I have explained these things before, but seeing how you willfully ignore them and force me to edit your pages to a point that it might as well have been me who added the content in the first place, I would rather have nothing from you. If I have to fix your edits, you did not make a positive contribution. You made a negative one, and basic mathematics can show you that a null edit, or no contribution, is better than a negative contribution. I must make my own positive contribution to cancel out your negative, and then we are left with the same zero we had before. Why not just keep it at zero in the first place?

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:08, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Might I add something? Please also avoid short, choppy sentences. Full, combined sentences provide sufficient amounts of information, as well as take up less space. Not to mention, they are easier to read and display a better writing style. Moviebaby 07:16, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Your first ban shall be active for a one-week duration
As discussed on this unrelated user's talk page, I am not going to give you any more undeserved leniency, nor will I play favorites by treating you as if you were a "good" criminal. I have been far too generous for my own good, and how have I been rewarded? You have proven your true colors, as a vandal. Therefore, you will be treated as you are and as you apparently want to be, as a vandal. Deletion of content in an attempt to subvert authority is a crime in ANY setting within the real world, and it shall be the same online. Your only saving grace is that I cannot find your IP and have you arrested for systems tampering or other related crimes, but you should know that you will be arrested if you pull this kind of **** in real life.

What makes this worse is that it only shows that you are not willing to learn, and yet you have the nerve to say that you don't know what it is I want. I keep telling you EXACTLY what I want but you don't listen, and you continue to do the same things I tell you not to do in the first place. As I thought, my efforts fall upon deaf ears, and since "enough was enough 20 enoughs ago"... 5 more enoughs ago, this is the last you will see of any attempt of mine to reason with you. You already know where to look for all of our formatting and writing style requirements, and you already know what you are doing wrong because I told you literally every time it happened before now. If you do something wrong, I'll just revert the edit and then let someone add the contribution the right way. And if you react in a similar vandal-esque way, you will go through the same punishment ladder, in which the second offense is a one-month ban, and the third offense is permanent, though technically limited to one-year intervals due to limitations in the wiki software.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 15:06, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

A Little Creativity
GamerGirlzPS2 gave me this idea while I was banned:

How to put pics in these charts is difficult. But they won't be used, just to ease Mayu's mind. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 18:42, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Timeline
By the way, refer to this timeline when typing information for Abyss pages. It contains a lot of information not mentioned in the game and can prove helpful when it comes to expansion purposes. Moviebaby 01:27, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Presa Page Prototype
A little something I'm getting to work on:

Presa is one of the major antagonists in Tales of Xillia. She serves as the spy for the Four Beast Blades and has the title of "Fang".

History
Before she was a Beast Blade, she had relationship with Alvin. When she was offered to become one of the Beast Blades she broke up with him.

She once trapped Milla Maxwell and was accompanied by Jao and Wingall.

She and Agria have one final confrontation with the heroes but she falls to her doom.

Appearance and Personality
Presa is a woman whose beauty can make men melt like putty. She wears glasses to appeal to intellectuals. She has long light blonde hair and pink eyes. She wears a skimpy outfit that reveals her cleavage. The kneecaps are designed like fox heads. She has an alluring personality and mocks her enemies. When Alvin is involve she tends to lose her cool because of the love-hate relationship they had.

Fighting Style
Presa has the ability to control spirits and uses a book as a weapon.

That's the basis. We really need to watch gameplay videos of Presa.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 16:48, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

There's just one problem
I don't exactly have a Facebook though. Letdragon 18:13, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Tales of Vesperia The First Strike English VA
Hey, look at this website. Does it help you to edit Vesperia's The First Strike's VA?

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/movies/Tales-of-Vesperia-The-First-Strike/

Just click the characters

GamerGirlzPS2 02:13, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

FanFiction
Yes, it's interesting. Don't put this too hard, but I think you should stop saying 'said's too much. I was similar to you, but then one of the readers commented on my Tales fanfic, about my writing style. When I looked over it once more, it's true that my writing style needs some fixing. I fix it, and it turns out better. When doing a dialogue, use new paragraph for each talk. Ex:

"xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" Lloyd said to Emil in a hard tone.

"odiownjdnsodbo" Emil started to get impatient and transformed to his Ratatosk Mode.

Sorry if it doesn't help. In case you want to know, my Tales fanfic is Returning Tales. :D

GamerGirlzPS2 03:27, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

It's a pain to write on my page, so I'm gonna write in your page. Yeah, I like it :). The 'said's are still too much though, but let's leave it at that. Just post it on the FanFiction already :). I'm busy with my other fanfic, so Returning Tales hasn't been updated for a very long time. Oh, and happy belated b'day!

GamerGirlzPS2 13:31, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, if they aren't bothered by it, it's fine. :)

GamerGirlzPS2 08:30, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, have you posted it in FanFiction, yet? And I think it's better now. If you have, then send me the link. Oh, and I haven't played Symphonia that long yet, so please bear with it.

GamerGirlzPS2 14:50, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's best to write the battle in detail. I mean, write like how the boss looks like, or his distinctive figure, something like that. Since FanFiction is like writing a novel, you will need to make the readers able to visualize the situation, be it tense, or playful. If you write it in detail, then it will be easier to understand and I'm sure readers will like it. Besides, readers these days like tense battles :D

GamerGirlzPS2 16:10, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, writing battles in detail is a pain. But that's how it is. Anyway, I think it's better 4 against one. if 12 people, it will be hard to remember who's who, and it's kinda unfair :(.

GamerGirlzPS2 00:24, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think that will depend on how your story will go. But, for the party members who are going to fight, I'll leave that to your liking. :)

GamerGirlzPS2 03:57, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

It's a nice idea to have your own mystic artes. It throws me off a bit :). Anyway, I think this is pretty nice. GamerGirlzPS2 08:09, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

About Vesperia
...Sorry to disappoint you, but I never played Vesperia in my life. I knew about the characters, the history, the story, plot, everything, are purely from watching the walkthroughs from YouTube. I came to love Yuri from those videos. If possible, I want to play Vesperia, but I need to buy XBOX 360 first. :(((((((((((( GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 15:55, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Haha. :D It's okay. Anyway, I saw about Secret Mission 17 beforehand. And it really is tough. The player in the YouTube seems to have a trouble with it. :) So, now you're pretty close to the end, huh? That's pretty fast. I heard that Vesperia's gameplay is pretty long. Give (spoiler) Duke the nice punch in the face! Good luck! Oh, and are you hunting for Fell Arms too? If so, then you can challenge the final boss to a whole new level. I heard that he is extremely hard.

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 13:38, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Ahh... I really want to play Vesperia now... *ahem* Anyway, congrats for finishing the game! Oh, and I haven't finished Radiant Mythology 1 too, but I have finished Radiant Mythology 3 though. Lately, I've been focusing on updating Tales of Xillia 2, since I pretty much created it to life, so I have to keep updating. I need to collect some more money to but XBOX... GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 09:40, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, and you were right. Radiant Winged One was super hard, especially with the equipment I had for it. I had to keep Estelle alive the entire. Xillia 2 is still in the works and Xillia 1 is going to be Localized. I'm at the Labyrinth of Memories and I'm about to face Traitor Man. At the very least I can finish the Monster Book. The Item book, for that I need Karolian Hammer +1 and without Karolian Hammer, that's not gonna happen.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 12:47, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Traitor Man... Oh, Kratos, huh? He's super hard too. He's an active hunter, unlike Nebilim in Tales of the Abyss who isn't. You need to be extra careful fighting him. Mind your distance, and always keep everyone alive. Bring strong magic users. I think you only need one physical attacker. So, the rest of your party are long-ranged. These are just my suggestions. You don't have to follow. Good luck! :D GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 14:11, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'll do my best. BTW, one more thing you should know: Yuri didn't kill Cumore. Technically he fell into a sandpit and was buried alive by the sand.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 14:57, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm? Oh, about that. Yeah. I realized it too. But, when I think about it, it was actually Raven who "killed" Cumore. He said, "The only cure for stupidity is death." That's what inspire Yuri to attack Cumore. If Raven didn't say that, then Cumore wouldn't die. But I actually glad he said that. I hated that Cumore bastard.

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 15:33, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Saved Trivia

 * After Princess Hilda is rescued during a sidequest, a dinner party is hosted in the building next to Zelos's mansion. During this scene, Lloyd and three other characters chosen by the player receive formal costumes in commemoration of the event.
 * In the manga, the party smashes right into Zelos's house and causes Zelos to suffer from some injuries. Sheena also seems to already know him.
 * Entering the slums later in the game also triggers a sidequest for Genis. Once the player completes it, Genis will earn a Katz outfit.
 * If the player visits the palace later in the game, one can see that the Wonder Chef is outside. Talking to him will trigger an event which ends with Regal receiving the "God of the Kitchen" title.
 * In Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, upon entering Meltokio for the first time, the ground in the area will have cracks on it caused by earthquakes due to the fact that Solum's Core was being used by the Vanguard which was found out in Chapter 6. After Solum's Core is hatched, the cracks simply vanish and the earthquakes stop.
 * One event takes place after Emil is back to normal and they listen in on Hawk in Sybak. When Emil and the others head to Zelos's manor, they find Magnar pushing his troops too hard. After that Emil and the others trigger another event in the back of Meltokio's item shop where they listen in on Hawk complain about Alice.
 * Another event in Meltokio can only be triggered if Emil and the others encounter a group of nobles in Asgard and Iselia. The nobles harass a Sylvaranti man because he was in Tethe'alla to look for a job. Emil, Marta and the heroes stop them and are joined not only by the poor people of Meltokio, but the middle class as well. Here, Emil and Marta learn that there are people in Tethe'alla who love Sylvarant and the other way around.

This is not trivia. It is walkthrough-based information, which is why it was removed. Trivia should consist of etymology and/or interesting facts about the particular character or place, not sidequests. These things can be listed in the main content as long as they don't mention the word sidequest, or begin with the awful If the player visits the palace later in the game... then it's fine. Moviebaby (talk) 18:53, July 28, 2012 (UTC)