User talk:Arosia


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Recent vandalism
No worries, I'm certainly finished. I'll help to rectify the damage in the end if you need it.

(Windamier)

You're very welcome for the help! I'm working on a check of my own as well, we should be able to catch any that may have been overlooked. And I'm sorry I'm so new to wikia sites that I'm rather horrible at figuring out how to properly format my responses on talk pages.

(Windamier)

No worries. Simply create a header such as the one above to begin a new conversation. To sign your posts, type four consecutive tildes (~), and it will automagically post your username, the date, and the time.

Moviebaby (talk) 08:34, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

I see, thank you very much! I will remember this for the future.

Windamier (talk) 08:36, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

A thank you would be nice
You know, saying stay away from the pages is harsh. You could at least thank me for the Karla bit. And the whole fighting style thing, though not the best, was what they can accomplish in combat. Plus I changed the whole "Slave and Master" thing to secondary partner and primary partner respectively. And I managed to get the localized names for each item in the game that we have articles for and resale prices for said items as well. I took out the question marks for the resale prices of Joke Weapons because you can't sell them. And I added localized descriptions for the artes in Xillia as well as their individual incantations.

All in all I'm glad that the Yume thing worked out and we get to keep the Gaius and Wingul articles. One member of the Chimeriad down, three to go. I leave the info gathering to Commandant.

You're welcome.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 16:46, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Why would I thank you for giving me more work to do? I will not play janitor like Mayu is forced to do so often. I don't mind you making minor fixes in regard to the things you mentioned, but you cannot seem to grasp to concept of proper article writing. You never fail to ignore the MoS, so don't bother.

Moviebaby (talk) 20:14, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for that But that is what I should do: fix minor things to get the workload off. You shouldn't feel like you have to bear everyone's responsibilities on your shoulders. Don't be afraid to ask for help now and then, and newbies are here to learn. And the only way they can learn is by making mistakes. Remember that, though I shouldn't have to tell you that. And for the record, I do not give you more work to do. I haven't done so since I got Xillia and I haven't written any new articles since I quit.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 21:31, August 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Stop trying to gather appreciation for your constant outflow of garbage. You keep treating your minor contributions as if they are vital when in fact they are worthless things that we would have preferred to see contributed from someone else. You are not wanted here. The irony is that you "quit" and yet you still exist on this site. When one quits, we never hear from that one ever again, as it should be with you.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:18, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

I consider myself patient. I follow rules to the letter. But apparently that's not good enough for you. I'm gonna stop this conversation before I say something I'll regret.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:50, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

You do not follow rules to the letter, and Mayu has a point. You have "quit", yet you never really go away.

Moviebaby (talk) 06:25, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

When have I ever not followed the rules, other than post English Voice actors without sources. BTW, Michelle Ruff IS Rita Mordio in the Tales of Vesperia game. And I had made a Presa article with little to no actual info. And I just check up to see how you guys are doing without me is all, fixing little things like spelling mistakes. I'm sure with Yume here you guys will have the remaining Xillia 1 stuff done in a month or two.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:47, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

You answered your own question. No voice actor is listed unless it comes from a certified source. Checking up to see how we're doing without you? You never left.

Moviebaby (talk) 16:50, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Alright
Look, I'm not here to cause trouble. If I did something wrong, I understand. But if you looked at my conversation with Mayu a few months ago, I was being treated like some common vandal. I'd rather not turn this into an argument, so I'll simply apologize for adding something that was apparently against policy. Though, for the record, I see nothing in the MoS about a voice acting mistake. Unlike that Richter thing from a while back, this can actually be heard in the game.

Schiffy (T &#124; C ) 18:01, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

I never said you were here to cause trouble. The reason Mayu has little to no tolerance for these things anymore is because we're forced to deal with it so often. It's better to be straightforward in the beginning so that the same mistakes are not repeated. Taken from the MoS under "Glitches and Exploits":


 * Details regarding bugs, dummied information, and other things that are not available under intended gameplay should not be mentioned on articles.

I would classify what you added as unintended, meaning while it's obviously there and interesting to know, content of that matter is not necessary. This wiki isn't here to point out flaws in the game. This wiki is an encyclopedia and a translation resource.

Moviebaby (talk) 19:33, September 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright. I guess I understand where he's coming from. I've seen my share of serious vandals myself. Forgive my slight hostility.

Schiffy (T &#124; C ) 20:18, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Problem
I'm not sure what sort of contact you have with Mayu outside of wikia if any, but a vandal followed me here from Bleach Wiki, I already have been undoing all of his page blanks and sent a request to VSTF, but I can only do so much.

Schiffy (T &#124; C ) 03:50, September 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Scratch that, VSTF got him.

Schiffy (T &#124; C ) 03:53, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for reverting his edits.

Moviebaby (talk) 04:12, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Muzet
why did you delete my Muzet work page?????

(15sok)

Because I don't feel like cleaning up all your mistakes. Read our Manual of Style.

Moviebaby (talk) 03:08, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Well i would love to see your version :P are you the admin.

(15sok)

Post that crap again without reading the MoS, and there will be consequences. Also, sign your fucking posts.

Moviebaby (talk) 04:37, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Jesus what the matter with you :P why do you hate this thing so much, and do you even have rights to delete it, i see no admin rights for you.

(15sok)

You're not signing them right. Use four consecutive tildes (~) to sign your posts. Your contributions violate our MoS, which you refuse to read, and yes, I have every right to revert your edits.

Moviebaby (talk) 05:17, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Okay sorry then :P i'm VERY sorry to try and help you, but can you at least don't delete the page, leave it like that for someone else to edit it. beside where do i put those "~" anyway.

(15sok)

Put them at the end of your message. If I have time, I'll fix it, but I'm not sure which parts are credible since I haven't played the game.

Moviebaby (talk) 05:28, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Okay but if you hadn't played the game yet, then i don't want to spoiled it for you, why not let the admin do that install, maybe he had played the game.

(15sok)

She hasn't played the game either, and you're still not signing your posts correctly. Stop copying and pasting my signature. Type four consecutive tildes (~) at the end of your message. If that's too difficult for you to understand, hold shift, press "~", now press it again, and again, and again. Magic.

Moviebaby (talk) 07:16, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I'm a bit skeptic about Muzet's weapon of choice being hairpins. I mean I could see poential with it. Since Muzet extends her hair, she could put the hairpins at the tips and stab her enemies with them.

Mr 15sok, please refrain from making Moviebaby mad.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 13:54, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Quotes on Character pages
I believe that on each character page, at the top of the page, there should be one quote either said by that person or that describes them. This is something I've seen on various wiki sites, including those for Star Ocean and Fire Emblem. The quotes should be something they are known to say or something that helps describe them. For instance, for Yuri Lowell, it could something like the quote he says to Flynn when Flynn asks him back in Mantaic after he kills Cumore: "Intend to? I already have." For Barbatos Goetia, it could be the "No Items Ever" quote he has been known to say.

Signed, Agarfinkel. Agarfinkel 21:18, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's an interesting idea and see no problem with it, but you'll have to run it by Mayu before anything is official. However, I guarantee she will perpetuate something to be wrong or unprofessional with the notion, but it's worth a shot. Good luck.

Moviebaby (talk) 08:14, November 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I honestly never liked this sort of thing at all. How shocking. Which quotes truly symbolize a character to begin with? This is fully subjective, and taken out of context, the quotes become simple memes that get old when repeated constantly all over the armpits of the internet. Item nazo)ry is a perfect example of this, and I have zero doubts as to what most people think Veigue should say at the top of any page.


 * With that said, democracy. If there is some sort of overwhelming support for this sort of thing, I'll just ignore the end result as much as I can while you people go wild. But honestly, relevant and story-driven quotations should just be part of the narrative when it will add something to the article, while awkward attempts at quotation humor should be better left for Wikiquotes.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:15, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

I agree that distinguishing which quotes best symbolize a character will be a debatable task, and I also agree that I do not want to see awkward attempts at quotation humor at the top of every character page. Anyway, the idea is out. Perhaps others can provide input, or Agarfinkel could add some support to his argument in favor of adding them.

Moviebaby (talk) 20:49, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Another Shot at Editing
I would like a second shot at editing this wiki. I know I was awful following the Manual of Style back then with the "Absorption Gate" mess but now I feel I have it all down. I have improved on my grammar since then and learned to post links from my experience at other wiki sites. So if you like, mind if I edit some of the pages on this wiki? I want to put my editing skills to the ultimate test here.

However should I decide to make a new page or article, I will be asking permission from either you or Mayu. I don't want to replicate another Absorption Gate mess. How's that sound?

BurningFlameHaze (talk) 14:49, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Certainly nothing is stopping you. We want users to contribute to this wiki, albeit in a constructive way that does not require our extensive effort in fixing it. By all means, edit away and abide by the MoS. Any mistakes can be easily fixed. In regard to creating new pages, right now our focus is fleshing out existing pages, so unless the new page can be created full, i.e., not fragmented, it would be best to start with what we have.

Moviebaby (talk) 21:12, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Understood. Thank you.

BurningFlameHaze (talk) 14:14, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Changing "Party" to "Group"
I've noticed that a majority of Abyss and Vesperia pages have the word "party" written in them to refer to the protagonists. Since the word party, in RPG standards, refers to the formation of the protagonists based off the player's perspective, I think a more logical term to refer to the protagonists with general info on their actions and whereabouts is the word "group". I'll be making those corrections if that is ok with you?

BurningFlameHaze (talk) 23:28, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

That's fine. It's not a big deal, but I do prefer "group".

Moviebaby (talk) 03:35, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Just here to talk.
I'm not here to cause trouble. I'm just here to talk. Thank you for accepting the Agria article that was not written by me. Now that makes two Chimeriad articles.

Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 05:01, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you again.
Thank you again for accepting the Saleh article, even though it does not have his bio from Rebirth. That would have been good.

Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 13:36, January 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * Every single post you make causes it to become more deletion-worthy. If you are going to "leave", kindly stop posting on this site.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:44, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Heart of Chaos
okay so maybe the lover part was pure speculation, however I am pretty sure that it was the Asgard crown that held the memories for Raine and not the HoC.

Zaiaku666 (talk) 01:54, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

You are correct. It has been fixed.

Moviebaby (talk) 05:16, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

Werites Beacon
In regards to the Werites Beacon reset, I just wanted to try and fill in some more info. Could you maybe give some advice on how I could make it better? I only wanted help out, that's all.

--XZone (talk) 21:26, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

I will try to find time to fix it tonight.

Moviebaby (talk) 01:13, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Well, things came up, and I wasn't able to work on it that night. However, I did sit down about an hour ago to work on it. Was almost finished when I accidentally hit something on my keyboard and closed the window. I'm so fucking pissed right now that I'm not going to work on it for the time being. Sorry, but we do have guidelines to follow on this wiki. I really didn't mind fixing it, but after having everything I did go away, I just can't be fucked to do anymore right now. The information and images are still in the history. They will be added back and edited in due time.

Moviebaby (talk) 02:03, April 17, 2014 (UTC)

I understand. That can be VERY frustrating. The reason I'm doing this particular article is because I've been playing Legendia recently, and there is a TON of story events centered around this area. If you want, maybe I could fill in (at least) some of the blanks around there. Just reply back if you have a response.

--XZone (talk) 03:16, April 17, 2014 (UTC)

I'll tackle it again here in maybe a day or so. Just was really mad when that happened lol. You're free to add whatever. I was taking the information from all your edits and fixing/organizing the article. I'll do the same if you add new information.

Moviebaby (talk) 03:32, April 17, 2014 (UTC)

Sure. I was nearly done with the Main Quest scenarios and was about to go into the Character Quest ones (which has a lot of events there). So once you're done, I'll be sure to add the new info when time permits. BTW, I also intend to try and fill in the remaining ToL locales when I get the chance.

--XZone (talk) 03:45, April 17, 2014 (UTC)

Finished.

Moviebaby (talk) 06:56, April 18, 2014 (UTC)

I guess I'm kind of an idiot that way. Anyway, I'll keep your advice in mind the next time I'm writing up more articles. And...sorry if I've caused any inconvenience, I'm just trying to get more info out any way I can.

--XZone (talk) 03:42, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

That's fine, and I may take the time to edit it if I have the time. After all, it's still in the edit history.

Moviebaby (talk) 06:38, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Forgot to mention that I did end up editing and publishing it. The article is looking pretty fleshed out now. Thanks for contributing.

Moviebaby (talk) 00:00, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Plagarization and other stuff
Hi.

Sorry if I got you in trouble. You should have told me about the plagarization issue on my talk page. We could have talked about it there. I feel so violated that someone else was using my work and passing them off as my own. I hate that. Not to worry, I deleted them all personally, but it was a pain to try and find, with this wiki having all the info. While we're on the subject, I know Mayu thinks they're crud, but as a Fellow Vesperia fan, what did you think? Too much detail?

Also, if you had played Xillia, which female character would you pick? Milla, Elize or Leia? And, here:

http://talesreserve.forumotion.net/

A new forum site for Tales fans. This should serve as a replacement for

tales.namco.com/forums/index since that site is pretty much dead.

Well, gotta go, gotta redo the Xillia Food chart in accordance to Mayu's specs. This'll be fun.

Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 15:35, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

You didn't get me in trouble. I casually mentioned the issue to you because it suddenly came to mind as I was responding to Mayu's post.

Moviebaby (talk) 01:40, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, well I'm glad. Well, I revamped the Xillia food chart. Looks better than it did before. Also, did you check out the new forum?

Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 01:51, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

No, I haven't had the time. I'm sure I will check it eventually. Can you post your support at the Help desk for me becoming an admin?

Moviebaby (talk) 02:17, April 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * I was trying to hide that site from Winxfan for the longest time. It was a sort of private playground back when the NTS forums sputtered on and off even before the great rollback and subsequent death. All da kewl kids etc. I'm disappointed that Winxfan found it, though I'd argue that most of the old members migrated to Abby's forums instead. I'd appreciate if that link won't get blogged out too, but I know I can't expect any better. I don't know how the old Nightly Tales General threads have evolved ever since /vg/ popped up but I'm not about to visit that hole again. I already have all the good Tales crossdressing shota pics anyway.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 11:27, April 29, 2014 (UTC)

Adoption
Hi. I've given you admin rights on this wikia as you requested. You now have the tools you need to clean up, customize and maintain the wikia.


 * Check out Wiki Features to see which features you can enable (or disable) on your wikia, including chat, forum, and many more. If you have adopted an older wikia with talk pages you can also enable message walls and article comments here.
 * Customize your wikia's look by visiting the Theme Designer, where you can add color and style to your background and wordmark.
 * Stop by Community Central to stay informed through our staff blog, ask questions on our community forum, or chat with fellow Wikians.
 * Lastly, visit our help pages to learn the ins and outs of using Wikia, including tips for managing your community and how to attract contributors.

Check out your Admin Dashboard, which can by found by clicking "Admin" on the bottom toolbar -- it has links to all your new tools.

In terms of not allowing anonymous users to rename pages, that should be requested through Special:Contact. It will help if you can include a link to the vandal who caused you trouble with it. We can also turn off anonymous editing altogether if you request it, but we would ask that you hold a community discussion to make sure everybody agrees to the change. The main drawback is that it can make it harder to build a community as many people prefer to try editing as an IP before they decide to create an account.

Please let me know if you have any questions, and good luck with your new (old) wikia! -- Wendy (talk ) 04:37, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I look forward to all the opportunities this promotion offers, and I will continute to edit this wiki with the upmost of diligence. Also, thank you for adressing the anonymous users renaming pages issue. I'm sure Mayu will be interested in knowing this.

Moviebaby (talk) 07:28, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

For my records, here is community support of the wiki for my promotion, and here is the actual request at Wikia Central.

Moviebaby (talk) 04:10, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Spam
You're welcome, Moviebaby! What color are Cless Avein's eyes?

(Arringtastic1)

I'm sure their color varies from game to game. I don't know.

Moviebaby (talk) 00:53, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

New look for Wikia layout users
For those using the Wikia layout, I have adjusted its appearance. Mayu uses the MonoBook layout, so she may not have been aware of how dull the wiki appeared in the Wikia layout. Since I use the Wikia layout (not only due to personal preference, but also because it's better for administration to be aware of how the wiki appears in all layouts), I felt it required a more fitting appearance. I have chosen the Jade theme for an earthy feel (accompanies the wiki's name well), as opposed to the blue Oasis theme, and I have chosen the moon/starry sky graphic (also accompanies the wiki's name), as opposed to the awkward bubble one. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please post them here.

Moviebaby (talk) 04:41, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Edit: I went back to the blue Oasis theme for the sake of matching our templates. I was under the impression that they would also change, but this was not the case. However, I have kept the moon/starry sky graphic, as it accompanies the wiki's name fittingly, as well as provides a more appealing and better aesthetic quality to the Wikia layout. The awkward bubble graphic was unpleasant and, more importantly, unfitting. The moon/starry sky graphic ties in with the Tales series' use of universes and planets in these universes.

Moviebaby (talk) 05:01, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

-sigh- I've gone back to the awkward bubbles, primarily due to the fact that having looked around the main page and the rest of the wiki, everything was designed to match it. I'm actually not sure if this was intentional or not. Regardless, I will continue to ensure that the Wikia layout's appearance is suitable on this wiki.

Moviebaby (talk) 05:23, May 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, everything was designed with the old Monaco skin/themeset in mind. This was the default skin throughout Wikia prior to the change to their "new look" Oasis skin, at which point they deleted Monaco from the list without caring about the outcry against the change from several wiki communities. That's why I flipped out over the layout change and demanded that we stick by Monobook (MediaWiki default), because it is a blank canvass without the many useless widgets and other things that consume space on the sidebars while shrinking the editable space for articles. Most of everything in terms of appearance is hardcoded on our pages because CSS editing is no longer available to us, again due to Wikia's stealth changes to their Terms of Service which explicitly removes our ability to change the actual design of the skins. This is why Touhouwiki and WoWpedia left the Wikia network, and we were meant to do the same had it not been for hiccups in communication between myself and our intended host a couple of years back, and Wikia Central's insistence on a "fork" which I will not agree to. Granted, it might be possible to change CSS files now, based on what Kaimi was saying recently, but I haven't looked into it.


 * Edit - So if it wasn't clear, any matches in theme or style to the Oasis skin is completely unintentional, as I've been working against conforming to it since day one. RIP Monaco skin. ;_;


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 06:47, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

I see, haha. What a strange coincidence, because the more I observed the colors, the more I found the Oasis skin (as much as I loathe its appearance) compliments our colors quite well. That's unfortunate that the new look was shoved down the community's throats, with no option to stick with a previous skin (which a wiki may have been specifically designed to accompany, as such in this case). I have to admit that I prefer the look of MonoBook, but I've grown accustomed to the Wikia layout, and I feel we should ensure that all layouts appear acceptable. MonoBook is much more suitable for an encylopedia website. The new Wikia layout does indeed cram useless features into a condensed space, distracting from the article itself in a desperate attempt to socialize an information source (why).

I've been attempting to familiarize myself with the admin tools, should I ever need to use them or simply would like to change/improve something (always informing you and ensuring I have your consent, of course). Apart from the layout (which I desperately wanted to change, but nothing else seems to look nice either), I can't really think of anything. Are there any projects you would like me to focus on, besides the usual monitoring? What are your plans in regard to the big image sweep you mentioned a while back? Any other plans besides this? I'm speaking long-term, not necessarily soon.

Moviebaby (talk) 07:03, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Edit: Also, not sure if you noticed this or not:

''In terms of not allowing anonymous users to rename pages, that should be requested through Special:Contact. It will help if you can include a link to the vandal who caused you trouble with it. We can also turn off anonymous editing altogether if you request it, but we would ask that you hold a community discussion to make sure everybody agrees to the change. The main drawback is that it can make it harder to build a community as many people prefer to try editing as an IP before they decide to create an account.''

Moviebaby (talk) 07:53, May 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * The one who replied about anonymous editing misunderstood what was being said. Anonymous editing has been disabled for years now, even before I got admin powers, because every past vandalism spree prior to that had been done by unregistered users. That is why we went on to require autoconfirmed status (basically email confirmation) so bots created using throwaway emails can no longer be used for spamming. What needs to be changed is the ability of non-sysop-and-above users to rename pages. I'm still confused as to why, or even when, Wikia decided to open this power to standard users. Though yeah, it probably should be requested directly to Wikia itself to have the power removed.


 * With regard to the image project, oh gods that will be a headache and a half. At the time I was emphasizing this project, I had been the only user who could rename pages, meaning image file names are included. I briefly started with the game logos before, ensuring each image had a uniform naming scheme and that the image summary follows some sort of uniform format. Many of the character images for older games already have this format, but the file names were not yet changed because it would require every page that uses the image to direct to the proper name. Redirects on image files does not work, iirc. Juan Ma has been diligent about maintaining image categories, but the summary descriptions are always lacking.


 * But my biggest concern is always the source of the images. They should come directly from the official websites, particularly the JP Tales Channel sites, or from game screenshots of our own users to avoid duplicating images that exist via blogs and let's plays. If permission exists from the creators of those blogs or LPs, then every image derived from that work should say so to prevent any contest. So my intention was to dig through every image and at the same time fulfill multiple objectives: renaming them to a uniform naming scheme, fixing their image summaries, and identifying those images which come from non-official sources and lack permissions. For the images that fail to provide sourcing, I intended to grab images from those official sources like Teichan and reupload them myself, or obtain permission where none was given, or delete them entirely and maybe replace them with something that meets the previous criteria, if it is convenient to find a replacement. Of course, anything like screenshots of YouTube, camera photos of television/handheld console screens, and other images of low quality or with watermarks will be deleted immediately.


 * As you can understand, there are thousands of images to screen through, and I was never in the sort of mood to start this process because of how massive of an undertaking it would be. And to be honest, I sometimes turned a blind eye so I could do whatever else I wanted to do instead. The reason I have to be so strict regarding image citation is that there are people who do not want their own image content reproduced, and some of these include the spriting community. There's a lot of background on this particular issue, much of it lost with the official English Tales forums, and we must respect their intellectual property.


 * With regard to the uniform naming scheme for images, I never fully decided on how I wanted the names to appear. This is a topic for discussion among those who are interested. My goal is to be intuitive but concise - the names should show at least the main focus/usage of the image, meaning we won't be using random numbers or variables. But the names should not be excessively long, of course.


 * Oh, and for the skin design, I'll leave the creative design up to you. We can change the appearance of the main page and other parts of the site, since an upgrade is probably long overdue. But mind the ambition of starting too many projects and the risk of leaving them half-finished when other problems pop up.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 09:59, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I see now. In regard to the image sweep/organization, I can wait until you have some sort of methodology as to how it should be done, and then you could inform me of what exactly I need to do. It certainly is a big project, and it by no means will be able to be done in a day - or even in the near future, for that matter. It could be a slow, progressive project that I wouldn't mind at all working on in my spare time. Once this school semester finishes, I'll only be working throughout the summer, and only certain days, so I'll have more free time than I've had lately. As for the skin design, I'm not too concerned with it. Like I said, I was just playing around with different looks in an attempt to change things up a bit and make the wiki more aesthetically pleasing overall (for users who use the Wikia layout, of course).

I would like to see some change in appearance eventually for the sake of organization, since like you said, an upgrade is probably long overdue. I definitely do not like leaving projects half-finished, so I will keep that in mind, should I ever decide to change anything. I'm still attempting to familiarize myself with the admin tools, as well as with other technical areas, which have never really been my speciality. However, I can always learn or simply teach myself. I'm open to ideas - from any users, for that matter. However, if one thing is changed, I would like to ensure that it looks acceptable in both layouts, as well as compliments other areas of the site. The problem I encountered with altering the theme and graphic was that it clashed with our colors/borders/templates/etc., so this needs to be kept in mind when improving any type of appearance.

Moviebaby (talk) 16:19, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Username change
For the record, I have changed my username from Moviebaby to Arosia. The change is complete, and everything has adjusted accordingly. The one thing that does not change is previous signatures, so please keep this in mind.

Arosia (talk) 17:59, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot
First, let me say thank you for allowing the ToX - Food article to remain on the wiki. It probably was something that could have been deleted but instead you guys kept it on. And I would also like to thank Mayu for her suggestion of the chart structure, it looks great.

Second, I noticed that the article count was 2791 last time I was here, now it's at 2772. Were there newbies trying to pass off articles, plagiarized or otherwise, as their own? I count 19 were removed. Probably Locations that they never put much thought into.

Third, Two articles have to be redone so they don't look like we copied them from Wikipedia: Tales of the Abyss: The Animation and Tales of Vesperia: The First Strike. This can be done in due time.

Fourth, Thanks for accepting the author's Muzet article. About darn time too. One thing still bugs me: How will her present history be done? I mean, in the game, she is fought as a boss five times: In Jude's story she's fought on a boat and with Gaius as the tag-team final boss. Milla's side, she's fought in the spirit world, the crossroads and the aforementioned final boss. The point is how could she be in the physical and spirit worlds at the same time?

Keep up the good work guys.

Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 02:22, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

It was actually -probably- just pages I deleted because they were posted for deletion anyway. I've been cleaning most new pages being created lately, albeit reluctantly, and I informed one particular user that his page creations were becoming a distraction for me, seeing as how I have to ensure each of them abides by the MoS (they never do, at least not entirely). As for those particular animation pages, I'd rather just see them deleted and written from scratch. There's little to no use for the Wikipedia copy template. As for Muzet, I don't know. I still haven't played the game. If I had, I would've already created Tales of Xillia pages and fleshed out the existing ones, especially now that we have that timeline. Until I do play it, which may be this summer, those pages will most likely remain bland.

Arosia (talk) 03:58, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

That's understandable. Can't have pages with little to no info. And wish granted, the two animation pages are marked for deletion. Though it was a pain to try and find an official source for the English va's of First Strike. And the old me may have gone on a rant on how you guys deleted Michelle Ruff's name from the Rita Mordio English VA section but since there is no official source, also understandable. As for Muset, I have beaten the game once, and it was on Jude's side, but it's been a while so I probably don't remember much. Most of the info is spot on, for a start. Gamestop has it, unless you don't live in America, in which case you can order it online, and from the roster of characters on your user page, if I have to guess, your favorite characters from Xillia would be Milla Maxwell and Presa. Also, the original author only talked about her outfit from Xillia 2, he didn't even mention her outfit from Xillia 1. Just something that is brought up. As for fighting style this will relate to her boss battles until Xillia 2. Finally personality. Muset is not only harmless, but kind and a bit oblivious. This is revealed in two skits with her, Jude and Milla when she talks about "direct tethering". After Milla's death, she not only goes on a killing spree, she becomes... psychotic, not evil, just desperate. After the Schism is dispelled, Muset loses her only purpose, but Milla offers her a home in the spirit world and is happy she is finally free from the burden of relying on others. Might be why she's a playable character in Xillia 2, to prove she can stand on her own two feet. Ironic cause she can float.

Also, somehow, Behind the voice actors got info for a few english va's: Josh Grelle will be Ludger (Even though he's mute) and Victor, Brina Palencia is Elle, Man, is Funimation buying out Namdai? J Michael Tatum is Julius and Michelle Ruff returns as Vel. Just a heads up, but no legitimacy, no puty ony.

Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 09:42, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

As you can see here, I'm offering a discussion on the matter, and I would like to hear from others (particularly Mayu) before we make a final decision. If we want something original, then yes, I'm all for deleting the pages and waiting until someone writes them from scratch (like that will ever happen). I just don't like the idea of having a template that blatantly informs the reader that something they're reading on this wiki isn't exactly ours. If that's the case and we're indeed aiming for originality, then it does need to be deleted and written from scratch. However, I'm indifferent on the matter, as I'd like to see the information remain, with a small reference at the bottom of the page that indicates much of the generic information derives directly from the respective Wikipedia articles. Like I said though, I want to hear from others on the matter first.

Arosia (talk) 19:53, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. Thought I could cut out the middle man. But we do need the middle man for their opinion on the matter. Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 03:30, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

To Err Is Human...
I'll admit I've been somewhat aloof over some of the guidelines and I may have ignored it a few times, but everyone makes mistakes (a fact of life) and we learn from them. I just have a few personal problems (not with you or the wiki, mind you) with myself for being an idiot for not paying attention.

I have nothing but honest intentions for this place, and I'll try and be extra careful from now on. But there will be times when I will slip up now and then, so I'm not looking for forgiveness, but just some pointers so such things won't happen in the near future.

--XZone (talk) 19:13, May 11, 2014 (UTC)XZone

Good.

Arosia (talk) 19:54, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Nonsense
To test my "wiki grammar," I will edit Jude Mathis. Ok? Ludger 12:25, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Use headers when creating a new discussion.

Arosia (talk) 18:52, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Bad Edit?
What happened to Lloyd Irving? http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljmxyiARtJ1qdd3hm.gif Zelos Wilder 12:23, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Your grammar mechanics. I'm not going to fix each and every one of your edits.

Arosia (talk) 17:42, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

I can't see anything wrong, Moviebaby. Zelos Wilder 19:19, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Of course you can't. You wouldn't be able to tell it was wrong even if you did see it. Stop giving me more work to do.

Arosia (talk) 21:25, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

What I meant by I can't see it, is that there is no flaws in it. Also, what is your problem, Moviebaby. Zelos Wilder 21:29, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

I don't have a problem, but you're quickly becoming one. Don't call me Moviebaby. Stop posting on my talk page with this nonsense, which is borderline spam. If I revert any of your edits in the future, you better suck it up and deal with it is all I can say. I can only stress the MoS and proper grammar mechanics to an extent.

Arosia (talk) 21:36, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

The card images
These are part of the cellphone game "Tales of Card Evolve" (official site). There is actually an existing category for these images here, though it should be renamed to "Tales of Card Evolve Images" for the correct title and removal of redundancy.

There is also a real life Tales trading card game known as "Tales of My Shuffle" (official site).

Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 21:59, May 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Just a reminder, in light of a certain someone who just uploaded a Zelos card, all because I gave him a new search key. Get the images from official sources, or even our affiliate sites if necessary. If you are going to search for pics via Google Image Search, it should be deleted and replaced by something that is not used on someone's personal site. The filename is a blatant indication that it was taken from somewhere other than a place where permission exists for its use. And again, CITE the images that are uploaded so there would be no question as to the source, and so we can identify stolen images and ban you as needed.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 22:15, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

When I try to save an image, it says the name that I put down.
 * Zelos Wilder (talk) 22:26, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not seeing an option to rename the category. Does an entirely new one have to be created?

Arosia (talk) 23:31, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Also, images that have been given categories are still appearing on the uncategorized photos page. Does it just take a while to update?

Arosia (talk) 23:37, May 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * You would have to change the category name on each of the images/pages. The wiki will automagically sort them under the new name. But it does take time to update due to server caching. Just wait several hours and everything will be reflected eventually.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 23:42, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Gotcha. Thanks!

Arosia (talk) 23:44, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Ignore this
I'm sorry, Arosia. Don't block me please. I was asking you my questions. I'm not going to spam. --Arrimas 01:36, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

A plot
I've thought to come for you, (seeing your previous edits about categories and such,) for finding a purpose. Mayu hates Anonymous users, and I might have been making bad posts, so I wanted to ask you to give me a job for this wiki. Kikonu 23:44, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

I don't care what you do, so long as it doesn't provide me or anyone else with more work. However, this wiki does have priorities, which primarily involve fleshing out existing articles, as opposed to creating new ones and adding to the workload. As for what I'm doing, don't bother because I have my own system going. Essentially, I don't have a job for you, as we don't hand out jobs around here. You choose your own jobs/projects/goals, and as long as they don't clash with the MoS or require for someone else to monitor your edits, I'm fine with anything.

Arosia (talk) 02:40, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Tales of Xillia
How much do you know about Tales of Xillia?

Kikonu (Talk) 20:38, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Not much because I haven't yet played the game.

Arosia (talk) 00:11, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

I'll have to make my edits for ToX perfect then. (To avoid spoilers for you.)

Kikonu (Talk) 00:33, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Don't bother avoiding spoilers. I won't be affected either way. In fact, I've edited many ToX articles in the past, and I can honestly tell you I still have little to no clue what the game is about or what happens in the story. This is an encyclopedia and a translation source. No details should be left omitted due to spoilers. That's what the disclaimer on the main page is for.

Arosia (talk) 02:49, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

By the way, do I remind you of this "Winxfan" guy? Kikonu (Talk) 00:27, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, very much.

Arosia (talk) 01:07, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Is he still here?

Kikonu (Talk) 12:33, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

He never really leaves.

Arosia (talk) 19:37, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Apology
Sorry I was being dumb and shitty. I was kind of mad, but I didn't need to interrupt the process of doing things on this wiki. As punishment, I will stay off for a week. Hope you accept apology.

Kikonu (Talk) 21:58, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

Alicia Link
I originally put the link as Princess Alicia instead of Alicia because there are two of them. Just having Alicia takes the user to a character in Tales of Symphonia not the one in Tales of Zestiria.

Orangeglass (User_talk:Orangeglass)

That's a mistake on my part. I'll fix it.

Arosia (talk) 02:49, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Asch
This may be a LOT to ask, considering how I get in your way, (Not intentional,) But can you PLEASE help expand Asch's articles?

Kikonu (Talk) 16:46, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

No, I have my own priorities, as well as everyone else who edits this wiki. Do not seek out others to do work for you.

Arosia (talk) 22:19, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

I'll get to it after I finish Lloyd then. And I'll try my best to follow in your footsteps.

Kikonu (Talk) 22:30, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

E3 videos
Hiya :) Just wondering if you would mind us putting some E3 videos on the Tales of Xillia 2 page?  These videos have all been fully licensed and therefore adhere to your local policies regarding copyrighted material. Indeed, these new videos — fresh from the floor of the E3 convention — are already appearing in your right rail, under the "Must Watch" banner.  Believe me, as an administrator at tardis, I understand your fight against the ill-advised use of copyrighted material, and have to police my own video collection often. But the benefits, in terms of how long people stay on a particular page and then are inclined to click around the site afterwards, are pretty profound.  So lemme know what you think!  And — great job with this site so far! — CzechOut
 * Oh you might be interested to know a little bit about the way we handle video at tardis, since it could be helpful to you here. We have a rule where we say that only admin can upload videos, and that anyone who disobeys that rule will almost certainly be blocked for a very long time.  But then we allow the community to still participate in the video upload process by creating a video request page.  That way, the admin staff can vet the videos and make sure they come from the copyright holders (in our case, the BBC).  This method has allowed us to emplace over a thousand videos on our site — all of them copyright-okay. — CzechOut


 * Actually, videos are expressly not allowed per our rules on uploading image content, seen here. This is our actual listing of rules and policies, and that Policy page you linked to is a legacy page that was never updated since 7 years ago, by an admin who no longer participates here. I forgot that the page exists. Our rationale for not allowing video uploads is to avoid not just copyright concerns, but also to ensure that the content on our pages pertains to the topic itself (in this case, the story of the game) and not advertising trailers or localization conferences, and also to reduce bandwidth issues for users who may have such limitations on their online browsing, given that they already have to load several images for any given page. Not just that, if the right sidebar thing on the default skin already shows such videos, then it is not needed for us to put it on our pages in the first place... and I have never supported the change to this new default skin anyway. I miss Monaco, and I always recommend the use of Monobook, which is the only other alternative now, so I am forced to use it myself because I don't want to see that right sidebar stuff invading the editable width space. I accept that not everyone agrees with my preference since everyone else on Wikia either adjusted or departed (and Aselia was almost one of those who departed), but videos are out of the question because of how abusable it is for users to put up unlicensed content, and because anything that might come up in videos that is noteworthy can simply be written directly on the pages instead.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 22:54, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Wallpaper
Could you change this wallpaper of this wiki to look more like it really is from the Tales series?

Kikonu (Talk) 16:19, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

This would be a large task, seeing as how someone would have to create the wallpaper itself and ensure that it compliments the existing color scheme of the wiki. I played around with the wiki's layout before, but I found the current bubble graphic (as awkward and unrelated as it may be) to be the most suitable in terms of appearance, as it compliments the Oasis theme, among other things. A graphical update for the wiki is long overdue, however. We just need to ensure that everything appears acceptable in the overall scheme of things. In other words, I'm open to ideas and perfectly willing to allow someone with an adequate level of know-how design something.

Arosia (talk) 00:40, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Edit: I tweaked the appearance. I went back to the moon/starry sky graphic I had considered before, as well as went with the Blue Steel theme, which is darker and more accompanying with the moon/starry sky graphic than the Oasis theme was. Like I said, I've played around with the wiki's layout before, but the problem I encountered was our templates, of which many (ironically, seeing as how it wasn't intentional) compliment the Oasis theme/bubble graphic pretty well. I find the moon/starry sky graphic far more appealing (not to mention semi-related), but I would really prefer a professional-looking Tales wallpaper. We could always adjust the theme accordingly, but many templates may require an update in appearance if this were the case.

Arosia (talk) 00:53, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Arosia! Also, can I redo Zelos's entire page? It looks really mixed up.

Kikonu (Talk) 13:23, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Citation
I see lots of pages without citation. Why is this?

Kikonu (Talk) 00:28, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

What type of citation? Not everything has to be cited - only information sources.

Arosia (talk) 00:47, June 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * If this is about voice actors, if they are listed in credits of the game/anime, citation is unnecessary since the source is already the game itself. This is the case for all Japanese seiyuu in every type of media ever (since the seiyuu are one of the keystones of popularity for Tales in Japan, starting with Destiny's two Gundam lead character voices), and for English voice actors in Symphonia GCN and Phantasia OVA. Destiny PSX has no English voice actors, using JP audio only.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 01:20, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

I plan to Pre-order Tales of Xillia 2, which means lot's of articles will have to be created and edited. This wiki lacks the use of Tales of Xillia articles, probably because it is the newest game.

Kikonu (Talk) 13:07, June 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * Many articles do not exist because they are topics that people do not want to prioritize, due to lack of interest, or more dedication being focused toward other pages and tasks. In fact, I will always emphasize that new pages should not be created unless existing articles, particularly those which are currently stubs, should be fleshed out to become actual pages worth maintaining on this site, rather than creating even more stubs and spreading our attention even thinner. There is no need to create new pages just because they don't exist, and if you fall into this mindset, I'll delete those new pages if they fail to qualify as actual articles. Other topics need more love as it is, especially the content articles for older games from the pre-Abyss era, though again, any contributions that are made here are based on the actual interests of the users involved.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 13:34, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Should I edit stubs, or finish the half story articles?

Kikonu (Talk) 14:53, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Work
Arosia, am I still giving you work to do? Should I leave this wiki?

Kikonu (Talk) 23:57, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Category
When you edit a page, does it edit categories?

Kikonu (Talk) 12:44, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

No, you do it manually.

Arosia (talk) 19:08, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

It seems that every time I edit a page that I don't follow, I mess the category up. The recent changes said something about me being banned.

Kikonu (Talk) 22:47, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

That's because you were banned, for three days. Cease and desist messing with categories.

Arosia (talk) 23:21, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Consider that one a warning ban. If problems persist in the future, it will be Mayu's ban system: one week, one month, one year (pretty much permanent, as it will be renewed every year). I strongly suggest you keep this in mind.

Arosia (talk) 05:49, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Response
Ahh ok, thanks for the info. I'll keep that in mind. I made the Belkend page for preparation really. I was playing the game earlier and took some screenshots of the town and made a starting entry for the Belkend page on the Wiki. I was planning to add more information later to it.

As for the images that I uploaded... I was just following the procedure that was used already on some older images. I wasn't aware more stuff was needed. :/ I honestly didn't see that part on the images that I already checked. I thought they were correct as they are right now, because I put as much info as I could about the actual screenshots (Location, name of the game, etc).

(The source of the images came from myself, I made them while playing Tales of the Abyss).

Ryudo300 (talk) 18:48, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

We recently performed an image sweep on the wiki and implemented a new categorization system. There are still many image files in need of updating, but this is a large task that will take time. However, any newly-uploaded image files should adhere to the refined system. If the source of the images is yourself, you need to state this. The licensing method of citing images is vague, and it leads to users applying it without even knowing what it means (or they simply lie and avoid taking responsibility altogether).

Arosia (talk) 18:55, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Gotcha. I'll keep that in mind for future image uploads.

This might be a stupid question though - I couldn't find this in the MoS... but how/where exactly do I put the source information for the images? I couldn't find this section on the upload page either. Maybe you can link me a to a proper image that was recently uploaded? So I can take a look at how to do it the correct way.

Ryudo300 (talk) 19:02, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Here is our uploading rules for images. I'm also about to adjust your recent uploads accordingly.

Arosia (talk) 19:13, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I noticed the changes you made to the uploads. I'll follow that format from now on. Sorry for the trouble with the previous uploads!

Ryudo300 (talk) 19:24, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Forgot to ask this yesterday, what size should we use for thumbnails? I noticed on some pages it's 250px, but then on other pages it's 300px again. Is 300px the recommended size to use?

Ryudo300 (talk) 06:13, June 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * 300px is an absolute maximum. Nothing should be larger than that size width. However, it's already quite large of a space to consume as a single image, and it is usually better to make the image smaller so it does not take up much of the page. The important content is the text. So images should be kept as small as possible while still allowing the essential content of each image to be clearly visible without requiring users to click on the image for a larger view. Basically, image thumb sizes on the articles are variable, and smaller is generally better if it does not sacrifice clarity.


 * Oh, and thank you for choosing to upload your own images taken directly from the game, and for saying so. But did you play the game on the console with the video feed upscaled to 1080p, or is it run through an emulator?


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 11:25, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Mayu (Shizune?). Thanks for that response. I guess it's generally better to use 250px then (seen that being used on a lot of pages, there was just a few that had 300px).

The screenshots were taken with an emulator yeah, pcsx2 to be exact. But they come from my own game as I use my own legit copy to emulate it. I figured the HD quality screenshots would be a nice addition to the Wiki. :)

Ryudo300 (talk) 12:10, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Abyss Locations
First off, thanks for getting some Abyss Location articles up and running. Looks like the wiki is running along smoothly. Second, noticed the new background. Love the full moon thing. A few details are missing after all I played the 3ds version twice now and last I checked I was in Chesedonia. Just saying. For example:

While checking out Mt. Roneal, Luke finds a pendant. This pendant belonged to Largo and I think inscribed was "To my beloved daughter Meryl". You probably know where this leads.

Signed, Winxfan1. (I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club) 13:47, June 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * >go away


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 13:50, June 24, 2014 (UTC)