User talk:Mayu Miyuki


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Partnership with the Tales of Wiki?
Hi there, my Name is Akemi, and I'm the Admin of the Tales of wiki. I wantet to ask you if you would like to have a partnership with the Tales of Wiki. I would add Aselia to our partnerlist aswell - of cause. I adopted this wiki about 2 years ago and helped it grow bigger. It's a German wiki wich is till growing, but I think the main cause of Wikia is sharing and spreading information, so I thought it'd be a good thing.

I've seen you have alredy interlangual-links for German on some pages, but I couldn't find it on articles like "Artes" - the Tales of Wiki does have some articles on artes, so we could of cause also use them with our wikis too. I'd concider it a good Idea to share our information ;). As for the artes - because of the variation (regarding their names) in German Tales Games and the fact that e.g. Tales of the Abyss was only released in English - their names are all in Enlgish, so you shouldn't have a problem to find them. But feel free to also have a look on the characters, or Dungeons/Towns (--> Orte) if you like. We'd be happy to start a partnership with Aselia.

Best Regards and a happy New Year: Akemi-tama 09:46, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Mayu is currently not active. I don't mind establishing another partnership, so feel free to add our name somewhere. I will do the same on our main page. Thanks.

Arosia (talk) 01:16, January 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * I know it's actually none if my business but it sounds like Akemi-tama is talking about using Interwiki-links for Artes. Well, that wouldn't work because you can only have one interwiki-partner for one language (we will have articles for Artes soon too). You can add links to each others articles but that won't look like interwiki-links.
 * And a normal partnership among your wikis is possible of course :)


 * By the way our Wiki, Pfotenballenklub, is the project of the month January 2015 in the german Wikia-Community :)


 * Kind regards
 * ~ Vanyar21 ~ (talk) 21:39, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

I sort of just ignored that part of his message, but yes, you are correct. Seeing as how you were the first German wiki to establish a partnership with us, the interwiki link priority for this language belongs to you. Our partnership with the Tales of Wiki is simply a normal one. Congrats on project of the month.

Arosia (talk) 22:08, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah so.
I haven't really "returned" btw. I know it was an abrupt absence, but I had to deal with a sudden lifestyle change now that I have someone new to care for. I really doubt I could be active on any sort of regular basis, though I do have a lot of stuff saved on my computer which really should be cleaned up and posted just to get the weight off my shoulders. I randomly check back on this place, and rather than reply to certain issues I've seen, I merely waited to see what the reactions of others would be. While things are going well, there were some things I somewhat disagreed with, but I'm leaving things up to the current set of active users to handle things based on their own interpretations and interests rather than enforce the things I have always preferred.


 * ''>goes back to roleplaying as Shizune
 * >because ...

Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 00:24, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

You had a baby! It would be great if you could post the stuff you have saved; I vaguely recall you mentioning a decent Keele article you had saved. Also, I'd actually like to hear what things you disagree with, as well as why. I think it's helpful to view things from different perspectives. I have a feeling that one is the location compilation project, which I knew before I even started it would raise some concern. It's the content nuke that's troubling, but the information is still there for a future redesign. Most of the content was shit writing, however, and red links were becoming a serious problem with locations. I think the wiki is doing well also. Lanate and I have our individual projects, and users poke their heads in every now and then. Fortunately, no more plagues like Winxfan and Kikonu *knock on wood*.

Arosia (talk) 00:38, May 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * For the things that I can recall right now, I wouldn't want to fudge the rules on English voice actors for Abyss, even if they seem to be recognizable. I prefer to keep things strictly no-citation-no-entry for non-credited voices. For the listing of let's plays, I would rather not have this wiki show "support" by recognizing certain LPers over others. I'd rather not have them listed since LPs in general are walkthrough oriented gameplays. And not every LP is of a comparable quality. For instance, MasaeAnela's Vesperia LP, Villene (CreationStationCA)'s Symphonia LP, and others from their circle of friends have a very different style compared to omegaevolution's LPs in general. And omega was a regular user on the old TSF. And Chuggaaconroy's Xenoblade LP might blow everything away as the pinnacle of LPing if you can handle his obnoxious puns. Incidentally, a lot of Chuggaa's LPs are treated as official walkthroughs for some wiki sites, particularly his Zelda videos, but I don't want to make that kind of partnership for this site.


 * For location compilations, I actually wanted to do this a long time ago, but I never tried to do it myself because I wanted to have each city/locale to have a fairly sizeable blurb to describe them, if they are worth more than a single sentence. As for the removal of individual location pages, while I agree that a lot of it had to be purged, there are cases where some pages can remain separated from the compilations because they may have enough content as is. Basically, the compilation pages would still have an entry for those locations, but there should be links that point to those pages where detail is provided in full, if they exist. The templates will not need to be modified since users who are interested in a particular location will click on that link, leading to the full page automagically, or the redirected section in the compilation page if the full page does not exist. I noticed a comment you made where you wanted the individual location articles for each game to be made all at once, and that is rather unreasonable for an expectation. The pages themselves should be as complete as possible on creation, sure, but having 30 of them done at once before uploading them is rather extreme. I couldn't even do that. It is a lot more flexible to allow pages as they are made, provided they meet quality standards, with the compilation pages updated with links to the appropriate full pages as they are created.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 02:14, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

It was my intention to attempt to cite them myself, but I forgot about it. I try my best not to deter random user edits, but citation for English VA is one of our rules—for good reason, too. I'll remove them and work on that some other time. I never understood the fascination some people have with voice actors. As for the Let's Plays and other infrastructural similarities, my goal has been to gradually make this wiki an encyclopedia-oriented database that also serves as a sort of hub for the Tales community. I don't mean injecting social media, but I feel as if pages such as those are both convenient and helpful. I do see your point, however, but it was never my intention to privilege certain LPers over others. I simply don't know of any others. I'm also not looking for partnerships, but I have been contacting LPers on lparchive for permission to use their screenshots on the wiki. It's difficult to contact some, but I've had nothing but success so far with the ones I have been able to contact. I like LPs, and I think all of the ones on lparchive are excellent. Are the LPs you're referring to on YouTube? I haven't investigated, but I would like to comprise a stronger list if you're willing to provide links. There's also the Something Awful forums, which, to my understanding, is where lparchive derives.

From what I purged, I found little information to be worthwhile—and I'm considering this in terms of content and writing. In other words, the information was either too walkthrough-oriented or poorly written. Note that Winxfan, Juan Ma, and XZone were primarily responsible for the ToV, TotA, and ToL location pages (somewhat respectively). The only reason most of them have survived this long is due to my proofing and editing them. I agree that certain locations should have their own pages, but I'm inclined to say that these should only be city/town/village locations, leaving dungeons to remain on the world/country pages. That comment I made was a bit bold, and my opinion changed after completing (for the most part) the project. What I don't want is for oddball pages such as Cape Fortress (ToE) to have its own page while none of the major locations in the game have any. Granted, I'm not concerned with this at all, as I know no one will ever create any such location page again—unless it's me, Lanate, or possibly even you. I know this wiki's glory editing days are gone, but it's still a substantial wiki. I track our stats on Wikia often. Ideally, locations will take a direction in a similar fashion to the existing ToP location pages, which Lanate did. The significance of the location should exceed beyond the protagonists' actions and cite the location's geography, shop names, etc. If a location page can't manage to do these things, it's probably doesn't need to exist in the first place. Also, with those pages, there's a nice blend of compilation and independent pages, which I think works best.

Arosia (talk) 02:59, May 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll go by your judgment for the location stuffs then. The reason there were so many red links on the templates was because a certain user was practically demanding to have templates for locations, and I scrapped those original attempts and created one for most of the games to deter other efforts to do the same. That is why some things were sorted as they were, and it really annoys me that the same user went back to one of those templates to "fix" the unaffiliated locations, which as far as I was concerned, fit perfectly fine where they were. But the actual means of grouping everything ultimately doesn't matter to me. As for a hub for Tales stuffs, I already value Abyssal Chronicles as precisely that, even before the time that the community got fragmented by the loss of TSF. If that's your goal, then it's up to you. I don't really pay much attention to LPs and I just happen to know those which I listed because I see them mentioned somewhat often when they stream on Twitch.


 * One more thing I remember is that you were deleting a lot of redirects, particularly those which were misspelled. I kept those there so people that search using those wrong spellings can go to the correct page, rather than lead them to believe there is no page for the topic and then create it themselves. It was a problem before with Aifread and some other pages. It doesn't really encourage wrong spelling so much as it corrects the error for them by redirecting them to the real thing. I'm certainly not going to remember that there is a dash in God-Generals when I search for it. And some of these "misspellings" were official Japanese spellings using English letters (Amy Burklight), or legitimate translations used in some fan trans patches (Luca Milda, even if I don't agree with it). There were also some redirects that I kept because some posts on other sites linked to our pages using older page titles. This reason is mostly obsolete, however, with the loss of the TSF and the years that have passed since some of these renamings. Some are also related terms for the given topic, like extended titles to names/countries, which might as well remain as redirects so that the full titles can be written and linked in other pages if relevant. As Lanate mentioned before, redirects are cheap. It's fine to have a lot of them as long as we don't have one for every possible misspelling of every word, since they are handled by MediaWiki behind the scenes. But don't go out of your way to bring them back just because I prefer to have them, since I didn't speak up at that time and my opinion isn't really vital anymore.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 04:06, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

What irks me is that I can't view all the wiki's redirects, as it limits the cache to the first alphabetical 1,000. Some I felt were unnecessary, and others I deleted because I felt the wiki had an overload of them. I was worried about hitting a limit, but after some research, I realized I was worrying about nothing. It's good to know they're cheap because they can be super useful. I'll review the deleted ones and restore some. I think your opinion is vital, which is why I wanted to hear it and will be taking it into consideration.

Arosia (talk) 04:48, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Translations
Sorry if I've been doing stupid edits that are needing to be undone :P It's a very bad habit of mine somehow during my times of wikia editing >_>;;; Thing is, I've gotten a lot of my Japanese translations from tangorin a lot ever since around my high school years. Even if my translations are going to start a war, I've noticed a ton of them seem to be very inconsistent as some artes with the same kanji have been translated very differently. But to compromise as with Street Fighter Wiki, I've decided to leave those original translations by the FAQ untouched to credit the original translator while also having my revised translation alongside it. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 01:13, June 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Shrug. I've been using Kanjidic and Kotobank for over a decade. But I don't claim to be very proficient with the language, and some of your translations are good. Still, these minor differences that you are adding into the translations really don't do much to change the overall meanings in the translations that presently exist. It became redundant very quickly, and with minimal gain on the content of these pages. Besides, everyone has different opinions when it comes to how to translate certain words or phrases, and much of the English Tales community supports "localizing" the translations of Japanese text so that equivalent phrases are used to preserve the general concept and meaning, rather than literal word-for-word translations which sound mechanically awkward in English, or even that obnoxious mix of English embellished with key words in Japanese combined with annotations that TV-Nihon is known for. Namdai NA's actual current localization theory is to scrap the original meanings outright and completely change the dialogue and personalities of the characters in the games they bother to localize, not to mention how much they mistreat the English fanbase in the first place. All according to keikaku indeed.


 * In any case, if you think your version of the translations are significantly different enough to be worth pointing out in such an emphatic way, as redundant as it is given what already exists on these pages, then it's fine as long as Kyo's translations are still cited and unchanged where they exist. As long as no one adds obvious Google Translate dumps like previous users have done in the past, I don't actually care that much. My more recent revisions to what you had added actually relate to your use of mythological entities in the translations, which steps beyond what these arte names most likely represent aside from being cool words to attach to these fancy attack animations. While this is another type of translation liberty like those I mentioned, it is certainly not the intent of the game devs from the early games, although past localizations have inserted mythological entities into arte names where they never existed, like Cerberus Strike (which is still superior to Triple Kick done with hands).


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 03:19, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Character Designer
Sorry, Mayu, but I don't actually know anything about the character designers. Is there a cheatsheet I can refer to? Lanate (talk) 01:59, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Charinfo Template
Hi! Thanks for merging/adding the tabber with the Charinfo templates. To be honest, that tabber was used only for the Tales of Xillia characters as an experiment because it's primarily used on Kamen Rider Wiki, where it's also implemented and used. Though another admin seems to have messed up the code for that and it was a shoddy copy and paste that never really was fixed by me on Aselia to see if using a tabber in the infobox would even be a viable option. >-<

But it seems like all the pages are broken right now and looks really strange. Hope that gets fixed soon. Ryousha (talk) 03:07, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * It was something that I was also trying to add in the past but never got it to work, so I appreciate that you were able to show that it is possible. But it's better to maintain a single template, so we decided to merge them together and convert certain other things accordingly. We are in the process of changing something unrelated on the templates now, as in literally this hour, so things will not render correctly until we finish our transition, which could still take a while.


 * Audrey Belrose is my spirit animal. (talk) 03:14, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * I can try to help out with the template and correct it so it doesnt show the (image):


 * Ryousha (talk) 03:19, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what we are changing. The full details are on Template talk:CharInfo. It's better to just wait because we are already doing what needs to be done, and I'm spending more time replying to things than actually working on the transition so that it can be done quickly enough for people to not have to question it.


 * Audrey Belrose is my spirit animal. (talk) 03:23, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * We are already doing what needs to be done.


 * Audrey Belrose is my spirit animal. (talk) 03:28, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay then. Seeing how I was originally working on the tabber system for the wiki, I would assume I could give you a hand. Good luck. Ryousha (talk) 03:31, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, so I can get back to work now. Cool beans.


 * Audrey Belrose is my spirit animal. (talk) 03:33, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Tales of Innocence?
Since you've played and completed ToI, do you suggest it? I'm not sure how well you read or understand Japanese, so even if you do suggest it, is that in terms of plot/characters or simply gameplay? As you can see, I added a script to the Sources page, and it seems decent enough (no worse than the ToD and ToD2 scripts I use). I would like to give it a play and work on its articles in the same manner as I did with ToR. Thoughts?

Arosia (talk) 03:18, July 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's definitely a good game, if we're talking about the DS version. The Vita reimagination changes things for the worse, just like the other one, although there are some people who prefer the Triverse remake and complain nonstop about the DS version's difficulty spike at Kelm Volcano and the general need for grinding. After all, it's still an Alfa System game, and their forte is the RadiMai series and its MMO-esque style, which transfers into the guild quest and grade mechanics of Innocence.


 * But yes, this game is worth playing through, but that is primarily for the unique gameplay aspects, which the Triverse version actually dilutes or cuts out. The story is decent and actually brings Tales to a more modern setting close to WW1 era technology. YMMV, but I didn't appreciate the story as much as many of the console games, although it certainly isn't bad. It's just that there were a lot of missed opportunities for a story with a grander scale, and in the end it just becomes (spoilz) a massive backstabbing betrayalfest of lol . And yes, I do understand enough Japanese to understand the story and dialogue, but it's been so long since I no longer work with Baka-Tsuki or Eidenyaku or other translation groups. I never actually looked at the translations that others use for this game, but I should point out that there is a fully complete translation patch by Throughhim on his Absolute Zero website. (The same goes for TotT, but no, I do not recommend that game at all unless you lower your expectations by a LOT, or if you are genuinely interested in what makes the game so bad.) If you know how to extract the data from the DS cart and attach the patch into the game using homebrew techniques, then I can recommend doing so, but I wouldn't know how since I never needed anything like that. You can also use emulation, but I will only support doing so if you buy the actual game first. I know that many have had good experiences with Throughhim's patch, though as usual, I disagree strongly with many of the translation conventions that he uses.


 * In terms of gameplay, the DS version is very innovative in that TP costs are now wholly irrelevant due to how small the costs are and how huge the chars' HP/TP pools are from the start of the game. This means that combos are encouraged, although they are still bound by tiers, but this can be bypassed easily by switching between battle party members instantly with a single button press, something that Destiny PS2 only allows after beating the game and inheriting the relevant option. Combine this with clever use of Infinity Jam, and you can get three-digit combos at the beginning of the game if you can find enemies that will survive that long. The style system allows you to customize any char to be proficient with physical attacks, spellcasting, tanking (which is normally not useful in a Tales game), or speed. And unlike Abyss, you actually have to choose your skills and evaluate which ones are best for the role you give to a character. The only annoyance is that you have to actively pick up item and gald drops during/after battle, or else you don't get any of it.


 * For the Vita version, all of that... nope.avi. Granted, I am biased to support the DS version since I was part of the Innocence hype train in 2007. I preordered the game before I even owned a DS. I even received the Voice Adventure omake, but like everything else, that was left behind when I crossed the ocean. It was great to finally be able to play it, but like many others, my experience was soured by Vesperia's existence, which proved that all of the "Tales DS Forever!" claims were an outright lie, exposed one week -before- the first "Mothership" game actually entered the DS console.


 * Audrey Belrose is my spirit animal. (talk) 06:49, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Yay! And yes, I am definitely talking about the DS version. I would love to use the translation patch, but unfortunately, I don't have that sort of know-how. I don't mind using a script, however, seeing as I've done it for three games now. I generally prefer home consoles over handheld ones because I get headaches easily while focusing on something in my hands, but I've watched some gameplay videos and pretty much determined that the game is decent enough to warrant a playthrough. Thanks for all the information!

Arosia (talk) 23:53, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Also, does this new Recent Changes layout bother you? I don't like it at all.

Arosia (talk) 01:29, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to spam, but these are examples of how the ToP game template appears with the new Wikia skin on an XL-screen desktop. The template extends midway through the "Story" section.

Arosia (talk) 01:51, July 23, 2015 (UTC)