User talk:Winxfan1

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Aselia! Thanks for your edit to the ToS:DotNW - Filifolia family: Evolutions page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Mayu Miyuki (Talk) 16:38, 2011 November 23

Your recent contributions
With all due respect, we will not be using your format for our pages at all. "General information" regarding monsters must be displayed in a table format using our standard list page design. An example of such a page can be found on ToS - Monster Book. Data is displayed most clearly in this way, and it can be organized according to user preference due to sortable column functionality.

Your method of display is not just wordy and inconsistent with our existing pages, it also makes inefficient use of space, creating a lot of whitespace areas when viewing the page using the NOT "Wikia New Look" skin, the always superior Monobook skin which is the only skin that we will support on this wiki (because **** that Oasis skin and all the garbage and page width limitations it adds to pages for the sake of social nonsense).

Unfortunately, since I do not want these pages to be propogated any further, I will have to delete them. I will give you an opportunity to save your data for your continued private use, but the pages will be deleted by the end of this week, guaranteed. In other words, do not waste your efforts to make more of these kinds of pages, or even to edit the ones that you had already published. Instead, it would be great if you revise and collate the information onto a single page using the format I have provided through that Monster Book page from the prequel game, and if you do not have enough knowledge about how to manipulate MediaWiki source code to make the pages fit the kind of information you want to display, just do your best by editing the existing source code on that page. Of course, you may continue to ask for my help on anything you might need. I will probably clean up the pages myself anyway once they are published, since certain aspects like the necessary Japanese text are always required in my view, even if you don't have access to that knowledge.

Furthermore, these tables will only list the default statistical data of the creatures under the "Normal" difficulty setting and without experience modifiers of any kind. Any alterations to those stats on higher difficulties or whatever other conditions are usually proportionally increased, and the multipliers themselves should be listed on a completely different page for which we still have no working format at this time - the page that should take up the "System" link on the navigation templates for every game. In other words, the stats of different difficulties and whatnot are too extraneous to list, and it is better to omit them entirely. Only the base values are relevant and needed.

Oh and, welcome to the wiki and all that, please disregard the welcome message bot which I hate and cannot disable, and please review the rules ennumerated on the Manual of Style and take note of our priorities. I'm starting to feel more and more like that useless bot every time I say this. :'(

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 05:26, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

I forgot to mention this. Regarding individual images for specific monsters, this is instantly denied. We will not be creating individual pages for any monster or family of monsters, as this is an extensive project which would only serve to inundate this wiki with even MORE stubs and effectively useless pages on top of those which we already have. Don't be idealistic about it by thinking you can do everything on your own - that's how I made the first 500+ pages for individual artes before I realized that this wiki has more important things to deal with, and I probably would have banned myself for making those many pages and helping to expand a bad trend if I had the powers and attitude I have now.

Therefore, images related to individual creatures become largely pointless, as there will be no article which would display those images efficiently. Again, all data must be displayed in a table format, and images are simply not allowed in these tables due to formatting concerns and the workarounds we have to do to make the information fully visible on that terrible "Wikia New Look" skin which no one should be using anyway. Pictures add more weight to the tables, as well as contributing to increased loading time for people with slower net connections, including myself due to where I now live. So pictures of the monsters themselves are not a worthy project to invest in, and that effort is better spent dealing with other priorities instead.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 05:37, November 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * By 'saving for private use', I meant that if you need to preserve the data you posted on your computer (if you haven't already), I am giving you a chance to do so. If you don't need to do that, then just tell me if I can delete those pages right away.


 * As for some minor semantics - do keep in mind that since this is a monster book, it should display all enemies, not just the capturable ones, but also the bosses, the humans and half-elves in particular. Just like with the first Symphonia's monster book page, the boss enemies will belong in their own section. What does -not- need its own section are separations for each family of creature - that is the entire point of the "Family" column of the table. If you separate everything into different sections based on family, the sortable functions won't work. And the Japanese text -is- required. If you don't know where to get the Japanese text, I will do it myself. But we will not make pages "without them" because they are absolutely necessary on any and all of our list-type pages, as those pages serve as a translation resource.


 * And finally, there is no "you" on this wiki. All articles must be written in a third person context; words such as "you" and "I" are forbidden outright. It is not "you" who does things in the game, it is the party. And in this case, since this monster list is universal and applies to all enemies regardless of if they can be captured or not, that sentence does not need to be there at all.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:32, November 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * I provided a basic design for the columns to be used. If there is any more data that should be described, please let me know, but I think I provided a space for everything important.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:35, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

>[...] but there's also the odds of making a pact with them
 * It's on the page already.

>how much Exp they're worth (no multipliers involved)
 * It's on the page already.

>their max level
 * It's on the page already.

>the levels they evolve at
 * The minimum levels are listed within the Previous Evolution column. (It's on the page already.)

>what they evolve into and what they evolved from
 * What they evolve from is on the page already. What they evolve to can be discovered with a bit of searching, so that's mostly repetitive info.

>a little description about each monster wouldn't hurt either
 * It hurts a lot. There is no more space on the page, and description content really cannot fit anywhere, on any of our list type pages. I did propose a solution for that before, but with the effort it would take to implement it on all pages (technically creating new pages that mirror each and every list-type page that exists), it's just too much of a problem to worry about in the near (or far) future.

>Also, I bet you played ToS:DotNW so you must know the levels at which a monster evolves (or de-evolves) into it's starter form.
 * I did play the game. But it was so long ago, so I don't remember details like that. I can't check the game for that sort of thing on my own either, since I left behind all of my games and consoles in the US when I moved overseas. Besides, DotNW is not exactly a game I found to be memorable when compared to other titles in the series. I don't even consider myself to be a fan of the Tales series these days, but no one cares about my ranting about the Tales Cycle on the official forums so...

>BTW, would the ten statues in ToS:DotNW be classified as equipment or other.
 * I don't even remember anything about statues. Sorry.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:07, November 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well actually, the evolution levels you were asking about are listed on the Japanese source that was added to the References section of that page. Since the info is there, you don't have to test everything on your own unless you really want to. I can fill in the missing data since I can read Japanese, so you can omit anything you need to. The same applies to the Japanese text for the creature names. As for the statue thing, okay, now I kinda remember what those were used for, and I changed the way the previous evolutions are displayed on that table to allow the statue things to be mentioned when they are required.


 * The only data that is not recorded elsewhere, as far as I can tell, is the base stat data. I know that the stats can change due to herbs and level ups and repeated evolutions back to the starter form, but what I want are the stats that the creatures start with when they are caught for the first time in the wild. Oh, and I just remembered that DotNW has a different stat system from earlier games in the series like Symphonia, so I'm going to make one quick change before I go to sleep. Different time zones and all that.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:30, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Statues are equipment. If I remember correctly, they are accessories. Lanate (talk) 20:06, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, warning time. You will not use other people's talk pages as a dump site for information that I already told you I do not want on this wiki. If I wanted to make the page for you, I would have done so by now, using MY preferred resources, which are almost entirely Japanese in origin since I absolutely do not care about the localization status of ANY of the Tales games, other than the arte names that such localizations create. If you didn't already realize it, my talk page is MASSIVE as it is, and it is actually separated into five different pages already, four of which are archives of previous years which are linked at the top of my talk page. I do not need 13,000 additional text characters to be added to the current version of that talk page, especially with content formatted in a way that I already told you is terrible and why it is. Keep it for your own records, and format it in the way that this wiki requires if you choose to publish it here (by "here" I mean on the correct page, and not someone else's own talk page), or don't post it at all.

I have deleted that entire block of text. No, I will not be using your information, because I have more important things to worry about. I just got home from some important real life matters, and this is NOT what I needed to see when I refreshed the Recent Changes page just a few minutes ago. It's your job (or whoever else is up to the task) to complete the table. I only provided the basics so that you know what to do and how to format things. And that's why I find it absolutely puzzling why you would delete the "Puchipuri" bit that was already on the page. That is what the Japanese text says. If you read through the Manual of Style link I already provided to you yesterday, you would see that not only is the Japanese text always required, their transliterations must also be listed if the localized name happens to be different in any way, even if it's anything as basic as tense or plurality for things written in katakana. I added what you deleted from that page back in, and I also added "Fungal", because again, that is the Japanese name of the creature, which must be displayed because we are a translation resource.

I'm sorry if I seem more than irritable right now, but I really don't want to care about this whole thing. Again, DotNW is a game I'd rather forget, and while there are worse games, even in the Tales series, that does not make it any more favorable in my mind. Add to this the fact that I haven't eaten in over 30 hours, I'm on a deadline for something that must be completed tomorrow (should have been yesterday), and that I just want to vent some anger right now. I apologize if my attitude is scaring you off, but really, this is how I act around here normally - you simply got to meet the more appreciative and open-minded version of myself yesterday.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:54, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

>For accessories, uhhh, you work on the chart for that, I'll stick to finding info.
 * No. I already told you I'm busy with other things, both on this wiki and outside of it. Now that I see the sudden flood of edits that another two users just happened to make while I have been away from the net during this whole day, it looks like I have to resume my usual wiki janitor duties to wade through the potential [janitor analogy goes here] and clean all of it up if necessary (and it usually is). I mean, you yourself are making pages that are pointless to have if you won't bother to finish them to a state of near completion. If you won't take that effort, then you should not create the page, because instead of doing the work you set aside the time to complete, you are instead making YET ANOTHER pointless stub on this wiki that someone else has to complete for you, like one other user had the unfortunate task of doing to your newly created page for mittens. You added ONE ENTRY to that page - you may as well not have made a page at all, and left it as a red link. I find myself saying this so many times to many different people, but I would rather have red links than pages with so little info that they may as well be red links to begin with!

>Everyone has to contribute. I feel like Emil in so many ways.
 * Contribute by working on one thing at a time. You said you would be working on the monster list. Do the monster list. Don't spread your efforts around and do not publish your half-efforts for everything in sight, because then everything becomes a half-effort instead of a few fully complete pages and a few red links. I hate doing work for others, or forcing others to do that same work instead of the person who starts something and then vanishes for whatever reason. For instance, several of those pages for Tales of Innocence were started by one guy who actually waits several months before making some other edit. The pages he created simply amounted to one section or a few entries out of several, and finally I got so fed up with it that I rushed everything that needed to be done in those pages within a day or two, complaining the entire way through. If you continue this, it would be as if I made the monster list and everything else, just like I had to do with those Innocence pages, and your contributions become practically nothing.


 * So please, by all means, finish what you start. Do not branch off into other things, or you are wasting not your own time, but my time and that of others who share my view. Leave the red links alone until you can commit to completing the pages on their own merit. Ideally, you should not even publish anything until it is at a near-complete state, if not already perfection incarnate (which requires Japanese text and romanizations, and fixed width mods to override the useless features of the "Wikia New Look" skin). Otherwise, everyone -is- contributing, except for you, unless you consider stubs to be a contribution. I do not. In fact, I see stubs as a negative contribution, which, again, means that I'd rather have the "zero", the red links themselves.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:37, November 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * First of all, I don't really care to read about your thoughts of your own progress. Anyone can see your progress at any time by viewing the Recent Changes page. And looking at that page, you still are not focusing on the ONE thing you said you would commit yourself to. While I don't mind if you are filling in unknown numbers on pages that are already complete, you are -still- adding things to that page for Accessories, and those things you added are -still- incomplete. I do not want one or two entries of a single type of item in a section. I want the whole section filled, or nothing at all. In fact, if you create the page, make sure all sections the whole page are filled or close to it when the page is created. Otherwise, leave it alone (which is easier if you never created those other pages in the first place) and focus on filling the one page you started first, so that someone who deserves the credit can finish those other pages in a single, complete edit instead of having twenty or more of your fragmented edits which are still far from complete.


 * Let me repeat. Work on the monster list. Finish the whole thing. Everything. Don't start on anything else. Anything else you did already start on, leave it alone so that you can get to it after you complete the first thing, or so that someone else can complete it all for you during that intervening time, like Zolo has been trying to do. If you don't focus on completing a single thing to a state of near-perfection, you are just spreading your focus too thin on everything, and we are left with everything being useless stubs instead of glorious complete pages plus red links.


 * Now about those additional columns you placed on the monster list page, you apparently are not aware that those synch abilities are randomly chosen out of the entire pool of abilities for every creature, at the moment they are captured. In other words, any Filifolia can have any of the synch abilities possible. So this is not something that can be listed on any table. As for the chapter in which plot enemies appear, don't add it at all. It's extraneous information that no one needs. Later boss battles with the same character are shown with the number placed beside the character's name.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 06:58, November 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, it's clear that you are not even paying attention to what I've been telling you this whole time, and at this point I am rather fed up with all of this. As I said before, on this very page, we will NOT have separate sections for monster types or families, since it ruins the sortable column functionality. That information is already included in the tables, so it is redundant to make such sections in the first place. I hate having to repeat myself, and it's bad enough that I must do so every time a new user appears. Having to repeat the same things to the same person is simply maddening no matter how I look at it.


 * As for that question that you asked on my talk page regarding going back to the pages you started without making sure they were relatively complete upon the very first edit, it seems you never went back to that page to see my response, or perhaps you are unclear about my answer, which I will now repeat for simplicity's sake: NO. You are just adding more **** sections to that page for accessories instead of COMPLETING the sections you started already, which is exactly what I've been telling you NOT TO DO. It is not a badge of honor for your contributions to have those disgusting stub tags littering the pages. I hate them. Admittedly they are not as bad now that the animated gif was removed, but even having ONE stub tag on a single page is a bad thing. I do not want to see TWENTY of them at once. You will make NO MORE new pages. You will make NO MORE new sections on the pages you already created. You will complete what you have started, or I or someone else will do it for you against our own wills, meaning you might as well not even be present on this wiki if it comes to that.


 * If this is the sort of thing I come back to whenever I have network troubles for a few days, and no one else raises a comment about it in the intervening time, just imagine the other failures that will occur when people like you come through here during those days when I am gone for an even longer period of time.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:41, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reminder Page
This is so I don't forget about what to add when the time comes: Lake Sinoa Cave: Box 1: Life bottle. Category: Consumables Box 2: 300 Gald Box 3: Mittens. Category: Mittens Box 4: Cape. Category: Accessories Box 5: Apple Gel. Category: Consumables Box 6: Bandanna. Category: Bandannas

Tower of Mana: Box 1: Cocoon. Category: Synthesis Materials Box 2: Red Ribbon. Category: Ribbons

Underground Ruins: Box 1: Poison Charm Box 2: Sage Box 3: Slough Box 4: Opal Box 5: Silk Cloak Box 6: Ink Box 7: Seal Charm

Dynasty Ruins: Box 1: Thunder Cape Box 2: Lizard Skin Box 3: White Mittens Box 4: Long Sword Box 5: Life Bottle Box 6: 2500 Gald Box 7: Leather Cape Box 8: Gothic Spinner Box 9: Sturdy Bandanna

Iselia Human Ranch: Box 1: 3000 Gald Box 2: Melange Gel Box 3: Wind Cape Box 4: Scale Gauntlets Box 5: Flower Petals Box 6: Pineapple Gel Box 7: Lizard Skin Box 8: White Mittens Box 9: Chamomile Box 10: Silver Cloak Box 11: Silver Spinner Box 12: Silver Plate Box 13: White Ribbon

Triet Ruins: Box 1: Pineapple Gel Box 2: Water Cape Box 3: Half Gauntlets Box 4: Black Ribbon Box 5: Broadsword Box 6: Stone Block

Balacruf Mausoleum: Box 1: Blue Lavender Box 2: Mystic Mark Box 3: Heal Mark Box 4: Blue Chamomile Box 5: Thief's Cape Box 6: All-Divide Box 7: Boots

Camberto Caves: Box 1: Hunting Sword Box 2: Demonic Spinner Box 3: Mystic Cloak Box 4: Battle Gauntlets

Camberto Caves (Herbs): Herb 1: Lavender Herb 2: Aquamarine Herb 3: Tomato Herb 4: Mushroom Herb 5: Lettuce Herb 6: Verbena Herb 7: Radish Herb 8: Carrot Herb 9: Bell Pepper Herb 10: Onion Herb 11: Cucumber Herb 12: Bell Pepper Herb 13: Basil Herb 14: Onion Herb 15: Lettuce Herb 16: Potato

Temple of Ice: Box 1: White Manuscript Box 2: Fire Cape Box 3: Mystic Cloak Box 4: Light Gauntlets Box 5: Light Plate Box 6: 3000 Gald Box 7: Gold Spinner Box 8: Melange Gel

Temple of Darkness: Box 1: Melange Gel Box 2: 3000 Gald Box 3: Lamia's Hair Tie Box 4: Lemon Gel Box 5: Mimic Fragment Box 6: Life Bottle Box 7: Quality Stone Box 8: Life Bottle Box 9: Weak Charm Box 10: 2500 Gald Box 11: Pineapple Gel

Cape Fortress: Box 1: Fragrant Wood Box 2: Animus Box 3: Light Bandanna Box 4: Holy Cloak Box 5: 3000 Gald Box 6: Stone Charm Box 7: Black Spinner Box 8: Witch Mittens Box 9: Pineapple Gel Box 10: Philosopher's Stone Box 11: Twisted Horn Box 12: Virus Charm

Temple of Lightning: Box 1: 3000 Gald Box 2: Mirage Mittens Box 3: Quality Stone Box 4: Earth Cape Box 5: Shock Charm Box 6: Striped Ribbon Box 7: Holy Mark Box 8: Topaz Box 9: Red Basil Box 10: Red Basil Box 11: Virus Charm Box 12: Black Sword

Temple of Earth: Box 1: Wind Cape Box 2: 2000 Gald Box 3: Ogre's Blood Box 4: Wyvern's Wing Box 5: Melange Gel Box 6: Lemon Gel Box 7: Insect Fluid Box 8: Stone Charm Box 9: Chicken Bones Box 10: Ruby Box 11: Royal Gauntlets Box 12: Mirage Mittens Box 13: Treat Box 14: Pineapple Gel Box 15: 3000 Gald Box 16: Melange Gel Box 17: Blue Savory Box 18: Specific

Special Box: Dragon Spinner

Toize Valley Mine: Box 1: Light Bandanna Box 2: Life Bottle Box 3: Elemental Fragment Box 4: 2000 Gald Box 5: Lemon Gel Box 6: Sapphire Box 7: Amethyst Box 8: Quality Stone Box 9: Dastard Sword Box 10: Animus Box 11: Garnet Box 12: Anima Box 13: Mirage Cloak

Building Number Two: Box 1: Mystic Symbol Box 2: Mythril Mittens Box 3: Dark Cape Box 4: Dusk Bandanna Box 5: Mythril Plate Box 6: Red Sage Box 7: Orichalcum Box 8: Light Cape Box 9: Sardonyx Box 10: Mythril Spinner Box 11: Red Savory Box 12: Mythril Gauntlets Box 13: Mythril Sword

Underground Ruins Extra (Balacruf Symbol Required): Box 1: Retribution Box 2: Rain Maker Box 3: 30,000 Gald Box 4: Soul Blast Box 5: Strange Blue

Martel Temple: Box 1: 4000 Gald Box 2: Elven Cape Box 3: Holy Symbol Box 4: Miracle Gel Box 5: Special Gel Box 6: All-Divide

Ginnungagap: Box 1: Blood Lust Box 2: Red Lavender Box 3: Millstone Box 4: Mind Slicer Box 5: Red Verbena Box 6: Angel Dust Box 7: Red Basil

Plants strengthen pacts with insects, Insects strengthen pacts with birds, Beasts strengthen pacts with Aquatics, Aquatics strengthen pacts with Plants, Birds strengthen pacts with beasts.

My opinion
My opinion, no source, but straight from the horse's mouth, the game itself, plus my own knowledge. This info I'll keep to myself unless verified:

Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World
Seles appears in the sequel when she is kidnapped by Lloyd, to get Centurion Glacies's Core. Zelos goes with Emil and Marta to the Vanguard's base at Cape Fortress to rescue her. They discover Decus was impersonating Lloyd, defeat him, chase off Alice, and recover Seles. After they return to Meltokio, Seles gives Emil and Marta Glacies's core. The two both clearly care for each other greatly, indicating that they reconciled between the two games. It is also mentioned that her health has deteriorated since she gave up her Exsphere, which deeply concerns Zelos. Debi Derriberry did not reprise her role as Seles in the sequel, but instead (Like Genis) she is voiced by Tara Sands.

Thank you for all your contributions to Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World! Anytime you need something checked for grammar mistakes, feel free to ask me. Moviebaby 02:41, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Anime News Network is not a trusted source of voice actor names
Nor has it ever been one. All voice actor name aggregate sites, like IMDB and ANN, cannot and will never be accepted as sources on this wiki. I have noticed that one page that you cited from ANN, specifically on the article for the movie itself, actually contains a link to a proper and valid source. USE THAT. Always cite articles as close to the source material as possible. Funimation counts as an associated party to the voice actors in question, and therefore anything Funimation says on its website is far more trustworthy than whatever things are said on places that may claim it as a source but often insert things which are erroneous due to any number of situations, including bias and human error. That's why there is a distinction between first and third party sources.

Now I cannot personally examine the validity of that Funimation source because the website will only load a page which states that the content is not viewable in my country, given how I now live on the other side of the ocean. So for now, I have reverted the edits instead of putting the correct link, since I am relying on some other user to do the verification for me. Remember, ANN, just like Wikipedia, can never be considered to be a trustworthy source, but any source that they dictate should be reviewed to determine if they are indeed relevant, so that those links/books/materials, not the ANN/Wikipedia/whatever pages, are the ones which will be cited in any future research papers and whatnot.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:28, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Chart
The Grimories chart:

White Cover Grimories