User talk:Lanate

Tales of the World: Reve Unitia Arte Pages
So I found a Japanese Wiki which lists TotW:TU's character artes and made base for the arte list for Cress: link I'd like your input on it since we should get arte lists for that game at some point.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:36, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Just pointing out that Lanate is on vacation and will not be back until the end of the month.

Arosia (talk) 02:44, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, didn't know that. Thanks for mentioning that. Maybe you have something you'd like to say about the WIP arte page, Arosia?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:09, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

That's Lanate's jurisdiction, so I'm fine with whatever input he has or decisions he makes in that regard.

Arosia (talk) 03:08, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it looks fine, but I'd move the AP Cost to the outside. When we design column-type pages, we typically put information related to requirements (costs, level) at the outer edge of the table. I think ToP SFC - Cress Albane: Artes has the closest column sorting to this. Lanate (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * All right I made the suggested change: link is this fine? If so, I'll gradually add arte lists for TotW:RU.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 00:06, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that's fine, though I believe that Reve Unitia should share a template with Tactics Union. Lanate (talk) 03:55, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Arte categories
When you get back, I'd like your help in outlining what constitutes an arte being categorized in a particular arte category. Some can be vague, and I want all users to clearly be able to understand how they should categorize arte pages. This will also be useful for when we need to reference such criteria easily, either for other users or our own benefit (me, mainly).

Arosia (talk) 19:54, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Back, but kind of groggy. Basically we have a bunch of defined categories listed on Aselia:Arte Category Order, and if an arte can fit in them, then we add them. We don't include a category if it fits within a subcategory, but it can fit into as many subcategories as necessary. We also tend to lump together if they're very close to each other in all but name.


 * Hm, I'd argue that the Seraphic Artes category is more equivalent to the spells category than a subset, and its offensive and healing versions are actually clearly delineated within the game (they have different casting markers). You could argue the same with Force magic artes:
 * Force Sorcery would be Offensive
 * Force Ritual would be Support
 * Fusionic Force Sorcery would be both Offensive and Arcane
 * Fusionic Force Climate would be both Support and Arcane


 * Lanate (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. You can feel free to change that list based on what you think is best. I trust your reasoning when it comes to artes. We should have everything clearly defined so that it's easier for me and other users to categorize arte pages appropriately.

Arosia (talk) 04:57, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Edit monitoring
Out of curiosity, were there any edits between last night's activity and your activity this morning? Even loading the past 500 edits doesn't show me lol.

Arosia (talk) 18:29, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * This, this, and the creation of User:Crystal Tear/History of Tales: Part 2 - Pop Goes Tales. Thankfully, I can hide my own edits. Lanate (talk) 18:31, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Lol okay, thanks. Sorry to bother.

Arosia (talk) 18:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Trying to avoid creating too many conversations on your talk page. I'm done. Are you going to do the ToD2 arte list pages, or do you want me to do them?

Arosia (talk) 06:07, December 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Lol, you caught me pretty much when I quit for the night. You can go ahead with them if you want. Lanate (talk) 02:14, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'll do them. Lanate (talk) 02:22, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

So
I'm really impressed with the amount of work that has been done between the two of us recently, and I'm really liking how good the wiki is looking. Thanks for all the work you've done with the templates and arte list pages.

Arosia (talk) 04:48, December 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * And thanks to you too for the work on the images, templates, new arte pages, and general maintenance. Lanate (talk) 05:49, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Question. Do you know who this is official artwork of? I was thinking maybe Leianna, but I find it strange that she would have artwork and others like Fayte and Ilene wouldn't.

Arosia (talk) 01:30, December 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * No clue. I can confirm it's from a Mutsumi Inomata Tales of Destiny page though. Lanate (talk)

It has to be Leianna lol. There's no one else! ...but in all seriousness, the hair color matches, and she's like royalty or something, if I remember correctly. I dunno. I'm currently playing through the game again.

Arosia (talk) 03:19, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Possibly taken from this.

Arosia (talk) 03:24, December 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * It is from it. If you reverse image search it on google, it'll show the full page, except with zero context past the fact that she's from Tales of Destiny. Lanate (talk) 03:25, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I found the page. This and this are the only decent views I can get of her. Oh well.

Arosia (talk) 03:44, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

I thought we only created romanized redirects for artes that are unlocalized in some games, meaning they can be found listed on tables under their romanized names instead of localized names. I'm still learning about arte pages, but yeah, that's why I didn't create redirects for those two—they only appear in ToV. I've probably overlooked that on a few other occasions as well.

Also, do you have any other favorite characters in the series besides Jude (I'm assuming)? I wanted to update the Staff page.

Arosia (talk) 04:16, December 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's more future-proofing than anything else. If a future title uses it, it's a good way to catch it, and there's no real harm there. More just-in-case than anything else.


 * And for favorite characters, I'm just going to toss Sorey, Ludger, Guy, and Cress out there. Lanate (talk) 08:16, December 13, 2015 (UTC)

Untitled
Hello. Can you give me some tips on how to get my Ladle page to look like the other item pages? I'm not very tech-savvy and I thought that with your message that you left me that you could help. And thank you for your offer by the way.

Librat13 (talk) 05:54, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

First of all, that message on your wall from Lanate is auto-generated. He didn't actually post it himself. Second, you shouldn't have created that page if you didn't know how to properly because that leaves the job of formatting it correctly to someone else. If Lanate doesn't fix it for you, I will delete it.

Arosia (talk) 06:39, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * The general idea is to look at another page and just copy its formatting. Lanate (talk) 07:00, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Arte categories
Arte categories tend to be basic enough; as general rule, most categories except top-level categories are explicit categorizations rather than descriptive; some of the magic arte categories once were explicit as well but moved toward descriptive (and I'm still kind of iffy on that).
 * Category:Artes: General arte category. No individual arte should go here; there hasn't been a case where it hasn't been possible to classify something as either strike or magic.
 * Category:Physical Artes‎: Self-explanatory. Anything in here is a strike arte that hasn't been classified deeper.
 * Category:Standard Combo Artes: Contains the Base, Master, and Arcane arte categories; isn't used on it its own.
 * Category:Base Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Tokugi (特技), as well as Hissatsuwaza (必殺技) from Phantasia and Bushinwaza (武身技) from Xillia and Xillia 2.
 * Category:Master Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Higi (秘技), as well as Hissatsuwaza (必殺技) from Tempest
 * Category:Arcane Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Ougi (奥義)
 * Category:Elemental Physical Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as such in a game that includes the category; Jutsukengi (術剣技) and Jutsukyuugi (術弓技) in Destiny PS2 and Shinengi (思念技) in Hearts.
 * Category:Martial Combo Artes: Contains the martial combo artes as used by Farah and Regal.
 * Category:Ground Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Chijougi (地上技)
 * Category:Anti-Air Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Taikuugi (対空技)
 * Category:Midair Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Kuuchuugi (空中技)
 * Category:Special Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Tokushuwaza (特殊技). Is probably going to be moved up one based on Eternia Online and Narikiri Dungeon X.
 * Category:Power Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Kyoudawaza (強打技)
 * Category:Throws: Any strike arte that is derived from the throws in Legendia. Should really be moved up one.
 * Category:Spells: ‎Self-explanatory. Anything in here is a magic arte that hasn't been classified deeper.
 * Category:Novice Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as either Kakyuujutsu (下級術) or Shokyuujutsu (初級術)
 * Category:Intermediate Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as Chuukyuujutsu (中級術)
 * Category:Advanced Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as Joukyuujutsu (上級術)
 * Category:Arcane Magic Artes: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed Ougi (奥義); Xillia and Xillia 2 so far, but Fusionic Force Climate and Fusionic Force Sorcery can fit in here as well.
 * Category:Offensive Spells: Any magic arte with attacking properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Kougekijutsu (攻撃術) or in-game equivalent; Force Sorcery and Fusionic Force Sorcery seem to belong in here
 * Category:Healing Spells: Any magic arte with healing (curative) properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Chiyujutsu (治癒術), Kaifukujutsu (回復術), Kaifukugi (回復技), or in-game equivalent
 * Category:Support Spells: Any magic arte with support (not curative) properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Hojojutsu (補助術) or in-game equivalent
 * Category:Seal Spells: Any magic arte classed as Fujutsu (符術)
 * Category:Formation Artes: Any magic arte classed as Jinjutsu (陣術); originally Force Ritual and Fusionic Force Climate, but Radiant Mythology 3 introduced its own
 * Category:Mystic Artes: Any arte that has been classed a Hi Ougi (秘奥義) or its in-game equivalent like Blast Caliber.
 * Category:Summons: Any arte that summons another create; originally meant for the Spirits but expanded to Jiraiya and Blue Dragon
 * Category:Unique Arte Types: Anything arte class that doesn't fit above


 * Lanate (talk) 03:28, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.

Arosia (talk) 18:45, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

PSX
Hello~

I admit I have fixed the entry on Suzu-chan page a bit in rush (Suzu Fujibayashi). I have later noticed that the error of "PSX" writing is global. Since probably I don't have enough edit power to do it, I would like to leave the note here. PSX is NOT PlayStation ("1"), it's an exclusive PS2 edition with DVD player bundled in one big freaking box. I'm not sure who was silly enough to start that bad trend of calling PlayStation per PSX but it's wrong. The most correct name for first Sony (actually half Sony) console is just "PlayStation" not even PS1 or worse PSOne, just PlayStation. If someone doesn't believe it, here goes: [image file removed]. There is nice big "PSX" on top and... "PlayStation 2" on bottom left, oh and a remote gratis. I hope that solves whole confusion about PS and PSX.

Best regards and have a nice day~

ISubaru (talk) 03:39, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * We had a discussion on Talk:Suzu Fujibayashi. Thank you for your contribution, but the original PlayStation was abbreviated as the PSX in the English community for long enough that it's still in use at the moment. Additionally, the PlayStation X console does not have native games, so there's no confusion on that end. We acknowledge its existence but will continue to use PSX as the acronym for the original PlayStation. Lanate (talk) 04:23, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Please write in paragraphs. Removing broken file link.

Arosia (talk) 04:46, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * I know you've been editing historical comments, but refactoring someone's current talk page comments is a little too controlling, I feel. At least on my own talk page, I'd rather leave them unedited from the writer's styling. Lanate (talk) 04:57, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

No, I really haven't. I've been structuring them into a titled format to distinguish differing conversations. I rarely adjust a person's comment, but if I do, it's either for readability or aesthetic purposes. I won't mess with it on your talk page anymore, but I will continue to do so elsewhere if I deem it necessary.

Arosia (talk) 05:03, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Also, going to make a point that broken file links should always be removed to avoid clogging the Wanted Files inventory, which I recently purged. I can blame Winxfan for the first two on that list.

Arosia (talk) 05:06, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * It just comes down to what we consider acceptable in terms of this, and we have different standards, that's all. I prefer leaving things as unedited as possible, and broken files, I'd rather wrap in nowiki tags, but I'm only going to apply that to my talk pages. Lanate (talk) 05:15, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Background
Lanate, you're better at computers than I am. I cannot for the life of me reduce the KB of this image, no matter what I try. I drastically reduced the pixel dimensions, obviously, but it didn't affect the KB. Compressing and saving it as a JPEG didn't work, either. There has to be a way to apply this image to the background and have it cover everything at the "fix" setting.

Arosia (talk) 00:27, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Improvised with this. I think it looks pretty.

Arosia (talk) 00:38, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

One more thing. Is there a search and replace function that you can use through Wikia?

Arosia (talk) 03:02, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I use AutoWikiBrowser. Can we tie functions to CSS as opposed to item so future color changes don't need to repeat this? Lanate (talk) 04:31, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean?

Arosia (talk) 04:36, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * Something like ToP SFC - Trade Items, where we tie table colors to CSS classes in MediaWiki:Common.css as opposed to our current hard-coding. Lanate (talk) 04:46, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I would have to learn how to do it...

Arosia (talk) 04:51, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * Gimme a day or two of experimenting? I think I can centralize something... Lanate (talk) 04:52, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

So revert what I've already done, or just don't do anymore, or what?

Arosia (talk) 04:55, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't do anymore? If the color ever changes again, it'll be another exercise in frustration as you're about to undergo. Lanate (talk) 04:59, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. The colors on this page are what I want, so I hope you're okay with them. The pastel shades compliment the new background and theme well.

Arosia (talk) 05:11, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I generally prefer a darker background, as you can tell by the original colors, but not enough to object. Lanate (talk) 05:14, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * How do these pages look?
 * ToP SFC - Cress Albane: Artes‎
 * ToS - Lloyd Irving: EX Skills‎
 * ToP SFC - Cress Albane: Titles‎
 * ToP SFC - Weapons (Swords)‎
 * ToP SFC - Trade Items‎‎
 * ToP iOS - In-App Purchases‎
 * I think they're all right on both Monobook and Wikia. Lanate (talk) 07:12, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, this is what I wanted. So what am I going to have to do now?

Arosia (talk) 07:16, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll do it since there's some quirks involved. But AutoWikiBrowser is still good for mass, repetitive edits. Lanate (talk) 07:32, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I wish I could help because I feel like it's going to be a long process. I'll look into the AutoWikiBrowser tomorrow. Goodnight.

Arosia (talk) 08:00, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Wow. Did you even sleep last night? I hate to ask, but were there any edits from other users during your sweep? Also, is that all of the arte pages done?

Arosia (talk) 19:49, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * No edits that I saw, and it's all arte and passive skill pages. Lanate (talk) 04:12, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

I'm wanting to do something on our main page similar to the Final Fantasy Wiki's main page, with the portaled buttons that redirect to different categories. I've noticed a lot of wikis have begun implementing it, but I'm not sure where to begin.

Arosia (talk) 01:30, January 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't either, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 02:21, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Hm. I think it's configured through their CSS.

Arosia (talk) 02:39, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

ToP SFC icon images
I've uploaded them all, and I honestly would add them to the tables myself because I don't find it hard or that tedious, but the translations vary too much. I can't distinguish what is what, but I like to have the file names mirror their original source. I really am willing to do it, but do you know which ones differ, as in from our list compared to theirs? They alphabetize them, so I can't go based on stats.

Arosia (talk) 01:52, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean? You should be able to match image to item by either stat or effect. Lanate (talk) 03:10, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I think some of our translations are wrong.

Arosia (talk) 04:00, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * Compared to what? Lanate (talk) 04:07, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Them. Who else?

Arosia (talk) 04:08, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * I mean, that site is based off of the DeJap patch, but the list pages use the Japanese names as all unlocalized list pages do. Those pages don't and will never use fan translations as official names. Lanate (talk) 04:11, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Hey
I change my mind a lot, as you may have noticed. I've removed the animation images from all pages and sorted them into galleries that function identically to their category pages, but ultimately, I want them off the wiki. They're unnecessary and do nothing but take up space. I just wanted to give you a heads up in the event that you want to save or store them somewhere because I will be deleting them all tonight.

Arosia (talk) 03:43, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * Honestly? I don't see the point of removing them. All it does is create more work than just leaving them alone in a gallery page where they're doing no harm. Lanate (talk) 03:51, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I wasn't really posting it for discussion. I'll be deleting them under "Author's request".

Arosia (talk) 04:32, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

This and this.

Arosia (talk) 03:54, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Also, are you cool with all the recent changes? I finished what I wanted to, so now I'm back to just adding/creating instead of mass cleaning.

Arosia (talk) 00:57, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see a better way of listing the characters in the crossover game, and considering that they're one of the central points, I like them as they are.


 * I'll work on readding Nova's information if I have time.


 * Also, what happened to all the useful sprite images, like Shizel's and Dhaos's different forms? I don't agree in deleting pictures that can be used to show the different appearances of characters, if in character galleries if nothing else. Without them, we actually have less information on the characters. Lanate (talk) 04:49, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I want to keep them of course, but don't you think a table or something would be better? As for the sprites, eh... I was reformatting a lot and purging what I didn't use. I believe those were deleted because I had replaced them with the enemies icon uploads or something? I'm not sure. I assumed they were duplicated. Are you positive the sprites aren't on the wiki anymore? I can add the newer ones to the appropriate pages.

Arosia (talk) 05:02, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Past Shizel (ToE - PSX).png
 * ToP iOS Valkyrie.jpg
 * ToP iOS Feather Dhaos.jpeg
 * ToP GBA - Plume Dhaos.png
 * ToP GBA - Phaser Dhaos.png
 * ToP iOS Mars's Death.jpg
 * ToP iOS Cust.jpeg
 * These files are at the bare minimum show either character sprites or impactful events for the character, or even showing what Cust looks like on Thor's page. It's just... I disagree with your tendency to go back and forth on images and then delete things just because you don't like them at the moment. You just make more work on yourself. I'm also of the opinion that an image very rarely harms the wiki unless they're of poor quality, especially when they actually depict relevant things. Lanate (talk) 03:23, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'll restore them and plug them back into the pages they were removed from. I change my mind a lot and have super OCD, but I'm trying to tone it down.

Arosia (talk) 03:33, January 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I hope you didn't mind me cross-categorizing the enemy sprites into character categories. Lanate (talk) 03:57, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

No, that's fine. I meant to do it myself back when I uploaded them but forgot. There's probably more duplicates that need to be deleted and replaced, like with the Valkyrie one you just did, but I can get to that whenever.

Arosia (talk) 04:01, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

"New user"
"I'm the first to admit that I'm not neutral in this, but there's something concerning the new user that I've found has held true over the years that I feel you should be aware of: here. I take a very hands off approach to this user because any good of their contributions tends to be colored by my perception. Lanate (talk) 02:55, March 4, 2016 (UTC)":

First you had a problem with me on the Digimon wiki and now here. I admit I made mistakes on the Digimon wiki but I did try to correct them to the best of my ability. What have I done here that aggravates you?

Jdogno7 (talk) 03:08, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, that's about enough. That link was all I needed. You'll stop there or receive a ban on yet another wiki.

Arosia (talk) 03:27, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Who are you speaking to?

Jdogno7 (talk) 03:41, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Cheriamainer
Could you please confirm how Sorey is a Seraphim? No offence to Arosia but she has not played it to view full detail. Just watching cutscenes does not help.

Shepherds turning into Seraph? Pwah. It is those that are of cleanliness and free of malevolence. Not Shepherds. We all know there have been failed Shepherds.

Anyway. Sorry. I removed the information from Edna's trivia because I was the one who added it believe it or not (check the history from a few months ago). I only deleted it because I am naturally on the Japanese Tales wikis (2 of them) and a new Tales wiki = helping them expand.

I added what I wrote on Edna's trivia on the other wiki and the admin said that since it is of my words then I should take responsibility.

Since Arosia technically hates me. I figured why should I leave my expansions here as I am migrating.

Anyway, where has it been confirmed of Sorey's age because it is definitely not the guidebooks. If you were the only wiki admin then I would not mind being here. But Arosia? Can't handle. I don' t mind helping out here but I am not going to if she keeps criticizing everything I do. Okay. I missed out the plural 's', big deal. You notice it, you fix it.

--Cheriamainer (talk) 14:43, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

Actually wait. My friend showed me the age source. I forgot about that. Okay, he is 17 but it is not entirely confirmed as it is secondary.--Cheriamainer (talk) 14:46, March 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * I was saying that it's heavily implied because of the extreme passage of time and the recurring theme of pure humans being able to be turned into seraphim. Lanate (talk) 03:15, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

What
Have you seen this shit? Google-powered ads with links to other wiki pages (not necessarily restricted to this wiki) are now embedded within articles on Wikia skin, appearing after the first main section. In addition, they've removed the recent sidebar that served as alternate "Read more" links. I am not at all happy with this, and I regret to say that it appears as though we embedded the ad ourselves as a table, which is literally what I believed it to be at first. Are people talking about this? If so, where? I am livid.

Arosia (talk) 22:02, March 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * I actually haven't seen it. I haven't been able to reproduce it either, but I run both NoScript and Adblock, neither of which I put wikia on the whitelist for... I tried on private browsing, and while the ads make the site unbearably slow, I don't see it in the middle of content. Lanate (talk) 01:10, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Strange. Has anyone been talking about it?

Arosia (talk) 02:29, March 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * There was something from December: here Lanate (talk) 02:37, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

I don't even know, but I really don't like it.

Arosia (talk) 04:41, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Look! It's so bad! Who thought this was acceptable? It's intrusive, and in examples such as this one, the links aren't even to our own pages!

Arosia (talk) 18:14, March 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * This is the worst I get. Again, I run NoScript and Adblock so it takes actual effort to see stuff like that. Wikia ads are the definition of obnoxious though. Lanate (talk) 04:55, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

I don't see the ads at all on my work computer, so I have no idea why they randomly began appearing on my home computer.

Arosia (talk) 19:24, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * Have you tried running some malware removal? Maybe some browser plugins? Lanate (talk) 02:52, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

So, something I just noticed. The Google-powered ads are no longer appearing for me. Yay, I guess?

Arosia (talk) 19:17, April 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Hopefully it stays disappeared. Lanate (talk) 03:23, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

That user...
Surely there is a way to put an end to this. Do I need to report him to someone, or what?

Arosia (talk) 18:16, April 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I wish there was. Look at the following exhibits: w:c:digimon:User talk:Jdogno7, w:c:digimon:Special:BlockList (if it says abusing multiple accounts within the last couple of years, it's probably them), w:c:megamitensei:User talk:Lanate, w:c:community:Thread:945264. Lanate (talk) 18:47, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

ToLink
Lanate, I only have a couple, but is it okay if I start adding some of the 5-star characters, or is there a specific reason why that page isn't up? Sagekita (talk) 04:51, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. It only hasn't been created because I started from 1 star up, and I still haven't finished 4 star. Lanate (talk) 14:17, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Hey
Do you know of any way to contact Mayu, besides here? Like, is she active on anything else, that you know of?

Arosia (talk) 18:34, May 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but no. When she left, I believe she desired to distance herself from the fandom entirely. Lanate (talk) 18:36, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

That makes me sad because I was really hoping to reconcile things with her. Also, I've sort of patched things up with one of the admins at Taleslations, so I've added them as an affiliate. They may edit the wiki from time to time, providing citations or simply correcting wrong information.

Arosia (talk) 18:45, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I need your assistance please!
Please stop Arosia from posting false information on the Van Grants wiki page. The "trivia" they continue to change back makes absolutely no sense, is written quite poorly, and shows they never played the game. The reason for that cut-in effect was repeatedly established throughout the latter half of the game and is a nod to old-school games of the past. I've played and beaten Tales of the Abyss on the PS2 four times and even beat Nebilim. Please correct Arosia's misbehavior. --JarinJove (talk) 00:40, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Cute. I actually didn't post that information, but I will not let you remove it and add your own conjecture.

Arosia (talk) 06:02, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Insights
Check. These. Out. Has this information always been available? This is a great resource. I've always wanted to see these sort of statistics.

Arosia (talk) 03:13, June 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 00:31, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

About the ToZ status ailments page
Sorry for a late reply, i add the page a while ago not finish it yet because of some personal matter, but it was deleted the next day before i finish enter the data, the notice is because its not formatted correctly, well i`m not aware of the formatting and not really good at it, so is it better if i send the link to the data so you can format it? if yes then this is the link to the data TOZ STATUS AILMENTS --Vermeilia (talk) 11:42, June 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's there now. Lanate (talk) 00:31, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

Be honest...
Is the quality of those Tytree arte images I uploaded too poor? Are there some that work and others that don't? Do you suggested removing/deleting any?

Arosia (talk) 21:08, July 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think they're fine. Strike artes are difficult to encompass using static images, but they're good representations. Lanate (talk) 00:52, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks!

Arosia (talk) 01:10, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

One other thing. Do you think the wiki is pretty organized? Any areas you can think of that could use some attention?

Arosia (talk) 23:50, July 20, 2016 (UTC)

I've noticed we tend to lack in character pages for newer games, ToZ being an example. Such as I did with Ayla's page, I think it's acceptable to at least give the character a page with a template and a paragraph so that the basic information is there. Unfortunately, I know little to nothing about newer characters, such as say Symonne. Just throwing this out there if you would like to do such a thing, though I understand you're busy and mainly keep to data pages.

Arosia (talk) 05:22, July 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the story based pages are probably where we need to focus on in terms of lacking. Characters and terminology definitely. On the other hand, I'm also going on vacation for the next two weeks. =/ Lanate (talk) 03:45, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

When you get back, maybe we can work together on creating a new priorities list for ourselves and the community. That way, our problematic areas are at least addressed in an organized way.

Arosia (talk) 04:04, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a great idea. Lanate (talk) 04:22, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Would you like to work with me in developing a list of priorities, perhaps establishing some sort of discussion page in the process? I think the wiki is doing really well, and I don't have many things to say. The one thing I would like to focus on, with which Kaimi has been helping, is working toward putting all our image files to use. It's a gradual process of course, and it's not like I would rather not have the images on the wiki. I'm glad they're there, but I feel that it's been accumulating for a while now without much depletion. Obviously, arte and data/resource pages are what need to be created in order for many of the images to be put to use. I'm not as much concerned with the location images. Monster lists will be the most grueling, but I am willing to put in the time and energy.

Arosia (talk) 22:27, September 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure. My input will be rather sporadic as I take a break after finishing the Tales of Link unit pages, but I won't completely disappear. Lanate (talk)

So, um...
Were you aware this existed? They have copied and pasted a few of our articles (Tales of the Tempest, Areura, Leymon), which is grounds for having the wiki closed since they failed to provide us with credit. Do you think this is an issue or no? As of now, I don't really care. I will care, however, if it continues to be a problem. Duplicate wikis are already frowned upon, and it wouldn't be difficult for me to take this to Wikia and have the issue resolved. I am going by exactly what is outlined here. Berseria seems to be the focus of the wiki, and from what I've noticed, there's only one contributor, the founder. Your thoughts?

Arosia (talk) 06:23, August 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * Before Mayu left, she gave me a list of duplicate wikis. I'm of the opinion that I don't much care about them, and the more they are left to languish, the better. Unless the content stealing becomes really absurd, it's fine to let them be, especially if they're focused on a subset of the franchise. Lanate (talk) 02:52, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Did you and Mayu communicate outside the wiki?

Arosia (talk) 02:55, August 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * A couple of times; we'd been working on this wiki together for years at that point. I'm still respecting her wishes to distance herself, however. Lanate (talk) 02:57, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Can we see about possibly switching over to Wikia's new infoboxes, if at all possible? They are space-savers and look a bit nicer, cleaner.

Arosia (talk) 00:48, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * That should be relatively simple; we don't do fancy magic with our templates (one of the reasons why we didn't implement them on another wiki was because of our complex infoboxes, and only half-way converting looks ugly). I'd be in support and could handle code porting tasks over the weekend. Lanate (talk) 02:49, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

Great! Thanks, Lanate!

Arosia (talk) 04:13, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * I did CharInfo; can you tell me how you feel about it? Lanate (talk) 01:46, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen, it looks great. It looks as tough some image sizes will have to be adjusted, but the tabber function is working properly. Also, the game titles aren't italicized. Will we have to do that manually?

Arosia (talk) 04:28, August 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't think that with PortableInfobox it is possible to adjust the sizes of images included in them: AFAIK PI always automatically adjust image width to the maximum width of the PI if they are wider than them. It might be possible to mess with CSS if image sizes can be manually set. Also, I don't think we need to put in the template italics for a single field; apostrophes aren't that hard to put it, are they? But yes, I think it's possible to adjust that either with CSS or the template itself.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:11, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

...that's not okay. Image sizes need to be adjusted in order to ensure they are visually appropriate and consistent across all pages. And you're talking about having to insert apostrophes into every existing CharInfo template we have. It really needs to be embedded in the code. Ugh. This is becoming less and less attractive the more I think and look at it.

Arosia (talk) 19:42, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, we could upload new images over existing one with "proper" sizes and let the template adjust them, but that would be more trouble than it's worth it IMO. The italics for certain cells is probably possible. I think reading a bit about PIs and/ot asking a central Wikia staff member for assistance would be good ways to go if we decide that we should use PIs, but want them to behave like we need them to.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:12, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

I wanted to do this for aesthetic purposes and because I assumed it would be a simple transition. While the transition was smooth, the result isn't as satisfactory as I had anticipated. Kind of wanting to revert back and not worry about it, but I'll see what Lanate says.

Arosia (talk) 21:50, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to revert; from a coding standpoint, I'm not a fan of giving up capability for relatively minor gain. If the whole point is aesthetics and the aesthetics fail, then why convert? Lanate (talk) 03:17, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. Please revert. There's nothing wrong with our original design, and I would rather focus our attention elsewhere as opposed to wrestling with this any further. Sorry for the trouble, Lanate.

Arosia (talk) 03:49, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Copyright
This wiki has had copy-paste content added to it from another Tales-based wiki, especially with the fact that there were no notes to the original author of the content. It seems Arosia has been taking this sort of content without reference or warning. It would be strongly advised to remove the contents and use valid content found from the actual game on the wiki. It is a completely and utter humiliation and the history checks between the two wiki show that the other wiki had the content along time before this.--Integrity1 (talk) 15:18, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Please continue any conversation on this matter on the user's talk page.

Arosia (talk) 19:19, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Pascal's mystic artes
Please share your opinion regarding Pascal's mystic artes.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:43, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Hello
Thanks for helping me out on those pages. I'm rather new at this and I don't have as much time on my hands at other editors might have, so your corrections are appreciated. I apologize for any mistakes I made.ErmacDonald (talk) 03:22, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not problem; I don't have a lot of time either, but I do what I can. On a whole, parentheticals are a no, and we try to keep a neutral tone. I also try to make a concerted effort to avoid mentioning the player during storyline sections, rewriting it to be as best as possible to be in-universe. Canon is also a weird subject, so I think when a side story goes a particular route, how I phrased it on Colette and Sheena's pages is how to go about it. Thank you for your contributions! Lanate (talk) 03:32, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Noted. Your edits implemented the changes I was trying to make far better than I was able to. The other admin simply reverted everything I did and was very uncivil about it, so I didn't know how to proceed at first. All I know is that Namco never said anything about the Drama CDs being canonical, and that the sequel allows the protagonist to follow up on their choices from the first game, with one obvious exception.ErmacDonald (talk) 05:23, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

Strike arte category?
This has never been a thing? If it were, there would be a colossal amount of artes needing to be categorized in it.

Arosia (talk) 02:42, October 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * I keep forgetting that we call it physical artes as a category. Lanate (talk) 02:44, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Oh. Why is Apocalypse Toll categorized as a base arte?

Arosia (talk) 02:45, October 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Nachtigal uses it as a martial arte, which is combined into the base arte category. Lanate (talk) 02:46, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Oh okay.

Arosia (talk) 02:47, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Artes for different Users
I want to put Satsugeki Bukoken images for both Anise Talin and Kohaku Hearts in Tales of VS., but I am not sure on how to name them. Could you tell me how to sort them out?

HiroIzungo17 (talk) 05:44, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Not necessary. In most cases, one image per game for a single arte works well enough. Otherwise, arte pages may become too clogged when we try to represent each game in which the move appears.

Arosia (talk) 06:05, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Hi
Please familiarize yourself with my recent changes to categories, particularly the implementation of the Storytelling Mechanics category and how these pages should be structured via Page Outlines, then let me know if you have any questions/concerns/suggestions. The only pages we don't have set outlines for now are features and songs. The few categorized feature page we have don't really fall well into other categories, and they mostly focus on their appearances in different games. I'll eventually create an outline. I've made sure our song pages all adhere to a similar format, so it shouldn't be difficult for me to establish an outline for that category as well.

Arosia (talk) 20:10, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Feature and song outlines added.

Arosia (talk) 22:37, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Is everything okay?

Arosia (talk) 05:59, November 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I literally have not had any free time in the run up to the holidays... I actually still don't. I may have a little more time after Thanksgiving. Lanate (talk) 03:58, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

Oh okay. No problem.

Arosia (talk) 04:23, November 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * Now that I have some breathing room, I read over them and have no concerns over the outlines as they are. Lanate (talk) 04:10, November 23, 2016 (UTC)

Your adminship
This is actually unrelated to the recent conversation on your talk page on your other wiki, but it sort of falls in line with it. What are your plans for both wikis? I'm sure you've noticed the recent changes page on this wiki. I've been busy all day and haven't had the time myself, but of course, I'm about to deal with it now. I think it would be best if you demoted yourself to a sysop, or if you want to entirely revoke your rights like Mayu did, that's fine as well. Although the wiki is fine, I'm going to begin reaching out to what remains of the Tales community and see what help I can find or what agreements I can come to. I don't feel it's too much to ask for a bureaucrat to check the wiki at least once a day. You do not fulfill that role, so I'm suggesting you revert to sysop. The fault is my own for forcing it upon you, so I'm making the necessary amends now.

Arosia (talk) 05:47, December 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll self-demote, but I will say that it's micromanaging, dictatorial, and rather creepy how much you monitor my conversations elsewhere on the internet. It's that attitude that in large part drives me away from this wiki, as what used to be a fun way to share my knowledge and passion for the series has now turned into a chore, one that I find myself less able to devote time to as my offline responsibilities grow. Now it's a matter of what fun I can have with my limited time, and this wiki isn't making that list. Lanate (talk) 23:05, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Well, you won't have to worry about any of that anymore. Don't expect me to bug you about any of it again.

Arosia (talk) 23:43, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Okay
I'm just letting you know, so that you're not totally in the dark on this, there was an issue with the Tales of Transparent images being used on the wiki. I am not Tumblr-savvy; I was unaware of the limits of "free to use", as it does not allow for re-posting or claiming as one's own. Granted, I'm not guilty of that latter, but the former was the issue. I assumed re-posting meant re-uploading to Tumrly instead of re-blogging. Anyway, long story short, I was wrong. I saw the owner's post and decided to contact her personally. We've been trading emails and setting guidelines.

We are now affiliated with her site, and I will be adding a link to the main page here shortly. Likewise, you'll notice I credited the exact post for each image; this was one of the conditions. I also deleted some that were re-blogs and not as great quality. Another Tumblr user gave us permission to use their images, and I'm waiting for another to respond. I'll be uploading a few screenshots in our permission confirmation category for safeguarding. That's all.

Arosia (talk) 09:04, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

...and that takes care of it all. We're clear. The other user responded, and everything is okay. Also, the owner of Tales of Transparent is handling a few personal requests for the wiki (those ones I had listed on my talk page) when she has the time. They will be good representations for those antagonists.

Arosia (talk) 11:20, January 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay. Lanate (talk) 18:43, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Berseria localized arte names
I can't hold them (impatient users) off much longer, and I don't know how to tinker with your arte template system.

Arosia (talk) 00:00, February 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't find master lists right now and don't have the time to compile them, so I switched over to the standard question marks for unknown localizations because I'm assuming that people will be smart enough to replace question marks with localization. Links are such that they remain unbroken if there are unexpected or conflicting localizations, which will get fixed later. Module:ArteLocName/data will get updated as necessary... probably on the weekend; the arte template is at least graceful about not finding a localization. Lanate (talk) 03:38, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Okay.

Arosia (talk) 03:39, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Brave Frontier
I didn't realize it was linked on that many pages. You could have redirect to the Brave Frontier Wiki if you wanted. I hope you understand why I deleted that page.

Arosia (talk) 04:45, March 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree with it but understand. Lanate (talk) 04:48, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Can you explain why?

Arosia (talk) 04:50, March 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, I feel that in covering the Tales franchise, we can also cover the other franchises that the Tales series interacts with. Tales has had a more than casual relationship with other franchise since its advent. It simply doesn't hurt anything. Lanate (talk) 04:55, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Tempest icons
I just uploaded an image, which I took from Spriters Resource and cleaned. I'd like to crop and add these icons to the data pages, but many of them don't seem to be in order. I was wondering if you could help me?

Arosia (talk) 09:06, March 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * I might be able to help out with everything but the weapons; I can't seem to find an all weapons hack. Lanate (talk) 03:34, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

If you're not going to do anything with it, I'm deleting it.

Arosia (talk) 03:24, April 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * No skin off my nose then, if it can't wait for when I have time. Lanate (talk) 03:28, April 3, 2017 (UTC)