User talk:Arosia/Archive 6

Out
I'm on vacation for the next week and will only have internet access through my phone, so I'm not going to be around much. Just a heads up. Lanate (talk) 01:38, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Thanks for letting me know. Have fun, and see you when you get back.

Arosia (talk) 01:40, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Abyssal Chronicles
The images that we got from Abyssal Chronicles are being deleted on their site. We might have to replace them.

Riku the Bloody (Talk) 11:59, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Which images? It's not like it really matters. They get most of their images from the official sites themselves anyway. I'm trying my best to keep the images obtained from AC at a minimum. The official sites have literally most of everything we need.

Arosia (talk) 18:10, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Haha, I just glanced over this. AC does get a lot of their images from the official sites, but I've also noticed that they have a few other solid sources. So much for keeping the images obtained from there at a minimum. I don't mind. They are an affiliate, and they have some pretty awesome shots, particularly cut-ins, that we probably wouldn't be able to find elsewhere with such great quality.

Arosia (talk) 06:20, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

Partnership?
Hello there! :)

I hope I'm adressing the right person. I know there are Lanate and Mayu Miyuki also and I don't know whom of you I have to write to. English is not my native language, so I apogolize if there are any mistakes in my writing.

I would like to know whether you would enter into a partnership with a german Tales of Wiki? "Pfotenballenklub" is the name of our wiki and in english it means "Paw pad club". If you played Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World you may know that Presea and Regal opened a Paw Pad Lover Club in the Lezareno company :D. Our wiki isn't that big yet but we do our best to grow bigger. You can visit it here if you want. We could even make Interlanguage-Links.

Kind regards ~ Vanyar21 ~ (talk) 16:23, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Hello.

I certainly don't mind a partnership. I've taken a look at your wiki, and it appears to me as if it's organized and growing nicely. Before I add a link to your wiki to our home page and consider the interlanguage links, I would like for the other bureaucrat of this wiki, Mayu, to comment on the matter first. I typically try avoiding making decisions such as these without her say. She is currently very busy in real life, so it may be a few days or so before she replies. However, your request has been noted, and I don't believe she will have any problems with it.

Arosia (talk) 18:24, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Hey again :)

Thanks for the quick reply. I'll wait for Mayu's answer then :)

~ Vanyar21 ~ (talk) 19:09, October 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, this is AyuMayu! I certainly don't mind the creation of other-language wiki sites on the same topic as long as people are dedicated to supporting such sites, and this kind of partnership helps to tie together fans of the same series regardless of their nationality/language. I definitely support affiliation. To be honest, I always wanted to add some content to our wiki that would be more relevant to PAL-region fans like official translations to the PAL-5 languages where they exist, and this would make it easier to acknowledge at least the German-based content. I just hope people don't randomly start creating Spanish or Italian language Tales wiki sites just for the sake of having such sites without the dedication to improve them.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 22:14, October 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello and thanks for the quick answer, Mayu^^. Well, we do our best and hope that some more people will join us soon and help us out too. So our wiki would be a good start for such partnerships ;)
 * We would add a link to your wiki on our partner list and if you both agree with Interlanguage links I would request them for our wikis soon. I would also add the interlanguage links to your articles if I'm allowed to so you don't have to bother with that :)


 * ~ Vanyar21 ~ (talk) 17:02, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

The interlanguage link you added to the Renegades page seems to be broken, or does something have to be activated first in order for it to work? I really don't mind the links, and I've already added a link to your wiki to our homepage.

Arosia (talk) 00:52, October 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * There was a mistake when linking the wikis but now it works :)
 * We've already added a link to your wiki too.


 * ~ Vanyar21 ~ (talk) 18:07, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Deleted Images?
Hi Arosia,

I noticed you deleted some of the images I uploaded (Such as Ion Extension, Akzeriuth, etc). While I understand Akzeriuth was deleted (since there's a HQ anime image now), I don't get why the Ion Extension image was deleted as well. I noticed on the page itself the image was deleted due to violation, but the image was taken from the game itself, not from any other site.

Ryudo300 (talk) 18:06, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

As part of my image cleanup, I have been deleting images with violations in regard to file names, descriptions, and citation. Those images probably fell through the cracks somewhere due to one or more of those violations. If you upload an image, please adhere to the rules listed on our Images page. If the image was taken directly from the game itself by you, then please state this so that we don't assume it carries some copyright violation. I vaguely remember you stating these images were your own, and they may have even been listed as such by myself, but this is a fairly large project, and I may have deleted it without connecting the dots. If you can provide me with the file names of the images deleted that you claim are yours, I will restore them and provide the necessary information.

Arosia (talk) 18:30, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Yep, they were definitely my own. And the descriptions (as well as the source, etc) were updated as well (by yourself too).

Here's the names (taken from the e-mails).

This page was previously located at File:IonExt.jpg This page was previously located at File:IonExt2.jpg This page was previously located at File:Akzeriuth1.jpg (I don't mind the Akzeriuth one, since it was already replaced by an Anime Image anyways).

If you need anything else, feel free to let me know. Hopefully they aren't actual violations. But as far as I know they were 'ok' last time after properly adding descriptions, etc. :S

Ryudo300 (talk) 20:07, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

It was just a simple case of me deleting them without realizing I had already confirmed their source and cited them myself. Like I said, I've been doing a massive cleanup of images on this wiki, and your images are actually an exception to how most images are on this wiki (stolen from blogs and uploaded recklessly). Anyway, I've restore the Ion extension images, renamed them, tweaked the information on their files, and added them back to the page. The Akzeriuth image is unnecessary at this point in time.

Arosia (talk) 20:26, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! :)

Ryudo300 (talk) 20:28, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

About Raven
hey I'm real sorry I seemed to have fudged the bucket on my edit of Raven's article I'm so sorry

That last comment was by me --TheTsarOfThePirates (talk) 15:01, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

No worries. I fixed it.

Arosia (talk) 17:07, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

hi
hi i have never seen someone just like me before! I LOOVE to play as the healing girls and they are always usually my favorite too!Mint Adenade (talk) 23:26, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, lol. Yes, I love healers, and I only play as female characters. Some healers I'm not overly fond of though, as I consider a character's personality before choosing to play as her. I also enjoy engaging in combat, particularly with a bow, rather than casting spells constantly. As such, Natalia is easily my favorite character in the series. I love her personality, status as an archer, and ability to heal. I have the most fun playing as her, although I really like Tear as well. Tear can engage pretty well in battle without relying on spells, but the fact that she does have potent spells, including the best healing spells, makes me enjoy playing as her all the more. I frequently switch between the two. Nanaly is another archer I enjoy playing as, and it just so happens that she's my favorite character from ToD2 in terms of personality (I always consider these things lol). I have to be comfortable with who I'm playing as. Mint and Raine are two of my favorite healers, and then I eventually found an interest in Norma. Interestingly enough, I don't care for Annie or Estelle, and although I play as Rutee in ToD, she's not particularly a favorite of mine (Mary is more entertaining, but I like having a full-Swordian party). I think it's because she uses a sword, and I'm not too keen when it comes to melee. I love Judith though.

Arosia (talk) 00:48, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

i hear ya on personality. I dont like the ones who are clumsy and naive. I play as just about every character you do except philia for toD. Im not particulary fond of rutee.--- Soиya says,   stay fabulous!!!  06:52, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

I like Philia too. Spellcasters just aren't my thing though. I mainly like Rutee because she can engage in close-combat, cast spells, and heal, so at least I can have a variety with her. When it comes to characters like Colette and Estelle, I just can't get past the ditsy personality. I prefer a female character who is strong, more independent, and doesn't rely on the rest of the group to save her. Colette and Estelle unfortunately reinforce the damsel-in-distress trope found way too commonly in video games. As such, I feel it diminishes their statuses as protagonists and hurls them into an entirely different category, where they are merely tossed around and forced to be rescued instead of rescuing themselves. Claire from ToR suffers from this as well.

Arosia (talk) 07:24, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

So what do you do when there aren't any healers in the party? How will you fight then?

Kikonu (talk) 10:27, October 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ange, Farah, and Cheria for best healers who can also punch/stab you in the face. <3 But aside from them, I prefer the close-and-personal slaughtermaidens like Chloe and Original-Lilith rather than the typical healer-types. And Leon is perfectly valid as a female healer. Also obligatory Keele as a literally unkillable man-nurse tank with the correct Craymel Cage setup, teehee. As for Philia or any other non-Johnny spellcaster in the remake, keep in mind that you can decrease spellcasting durations for each new spell you cast in a single combo chain. You can spam Indignations every few seconds with 80% reduced casting time if you chain a few novice spells before it each time, supposing you have the CC to do it. There's a bit of a science behind it actually, but it makes Philia a very powerful nuke-type character once you get the hang of it and find a good cycle of spells to use. Woodrow has it slightly better with God Breath but the point stands.


 * Shizune Hakamichi (talk) 15:31, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Mayu likes to kick ass in a dress. I'm actually not far enough in ToD yet to really experiment what the characters are capable of in battle. I do recall Rita Tidal Wave/Meteor Storm shenanigans being fun to abuse in ToV though.

Arosia (talk) 22:22, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

Warning for Sk8erPrince, 10/18/14
Since some users like to delete the warnings I give them on their talk pages, I think I'm just going to start posting them here on mine for archival purposes. So for any other users who may choose to delete their talk page warnings, just keep in mind that more people will see them on my talk page.


 * Not sure why you keep removing Frings and Cecille's full-name information, but I guess do it again and you'll receive your first ban for vandalism. Edit warring isn't allowed on any wiki, so if you see that an admin reverted your edits, you'd be wise to inquire about it before making them again. I would have posted something on your talk page the first time, but I assumed you were just some random user who maybe didn't know. Plus, you know, I have other things I'm trying to get done. As for the information itself, it may be stated in the game (not 100% sure), or we may have obtained the information from this timeline, which is a credible translation of secondary material. Regardless, don't change it again.
 * Not sure why you keep removing Frings and Cecille's full-name information, but I guess do it again and you'll receive your first ban for vandalism. Edit warring isn't allowed on any wiki, so if you see that an admin reverted your edits, you'd be wise to inquire about it before making them again. I would have posted something on your talk page the first time, but I assumed you were just some random user who maybe didn't know. Plus, you know, I have other things I'm trying to get done. As for the information itself, it may be stated in the game (not 100% sure), or we may have obtained the information from this timeline, which is a credible translation of secondary material. Regardless, don't change it again.


 * Arosia (talk) 18:59, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Arosia (talk) 18:21, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Help
I really want your help. I don't wanna be a problem user, or one that starts trouble. I just want to stay here, and help out the wiki. I don't even know if I'm doing good or not on the Sophie page. Even though you keep telling me to leave, the tales games I play makes me want to come back. (Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Xillia 2). And I'm sorry for that. So can you please, help me. I'll try to be as obedient as I can.

Kikonu (talk) 23:49, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

Image project essentially finished
I believe I've completed the final leg of the image sweep. I'd still like to make the "Gameplay" categories "Gameplay Images" instead, but I get that done no problem at some point in the future. I believe Mayu once said something along the lines of, "One day I will go through every image on this wiki and delete the ones without citation, replacing them with my own". Well, that long project is essentially finished. I believe I have thoroughly gone through every image on this wiki and reshaped its image infrastructure as a whole entirely. I have deleted images, moved/renamed images, provided descriptions to images, provided citation to images, uploaded images, and formatted images. In an attempt to make up for the image loss, I have been persistently at work obtaining images for our wiki through entirely legitimate means (as in, I'm not stealing from blogs and whatnot). I have better synchronized this wiki's image infrastructure with the images on the official websites for the games, and I have put us up-to-date with the most recent of images (ToZ, for example). I have utilized our affiliate, Abyssal Chronicles, for their impressive database of artwork, status images, and cut-ins, all of which are of perfect quality. Likewise, I have been lucky enough to stumble upon other images that talented individuals have ripped and edited themselves, as well as offered them for the free use of the Internet.

Nearly every image on this wiki is now cited, albeit not in a consistent manner. I have my limits. Bullet-style citation is all nice and pretty, and it may be easy to do for a few images. However, it is not easy to do for over 2K images lol. Regardless, most are cited in a neat format or linked to the source in the category if all images in said category were obtained from the same location (I mainly did this with Abyssal Chronicles galleries). Also, most images now have proper descriptions. Furthermore, every image should be named properly now, with no ambiguity or inconsistencies in the file names. There are plenty of new images on the wiki now, most, if not all, of which I have already formatted into the appropriate pages. Many, obviously, cannot be added at this point due to the lack of a page to add it to (I'm not saying create stubs just so you can use an image! lol). Anyway, I will continue to find images. During the deletion process, just about every single arte image was deleted, apart from Juan Ma's ToP iOS images, which I had to rename...every last one. Anyway, so hop on the official sites or our affiliate sites and upload some! There are plenty on there, believe me. I will help, of course, although I'd really like to get back to some of my other projects on the wiki now. Please use this format for arte images: Arte Name (Game Acronym). Simple, consistent, and easy to find. I'll add this little preference to the Images page (which you should all read btw!) once I'm finished posting this.

I believe that's all I have to say. I love doing this sort of stuff. I really do. Editing this wiki has become one of my most enjoyable hobbies, and it definitely helps me take my mind off other things. Thank you to everyone for dealing with my spam of edits and contributing when you can. Trying to think of anything else...hm. Please be sure to read my edit summaries and comment on topics you have an opinion on, such as the decision to place the CharInfo template on character pages if there are no images. I don't really mind either way, as there can often be important information in those templates (such as VA information). The pages look fine without them to me, but some may prefer that information if it's not already included in the article itself. Also, please don't think I'm mean for deleting these images. Nearly all of them fell into one or more of these categories: old, bad file name, no description, no citation, poor quality, or entirely irrelevant. It was typically a combination of these issues. All older images had no uploading criteria, and while I did rename many files, provide descriptions, and cite them, often I was unable to locate the source. Likewise, so many of the images were literally spammed onto this wiki (primarily by Juan Ma) with awkward file names and no descriptions. Granted, a lot of them were cited (poorly), but there were generally a number of other issues, including horrible quality and downright irrelevance (seriously, I sat dumbfounded staring at some images, wondering why they were even here). So yeah, I'm not mean! I tried my best to provide plenty of images in return!

Anyway, I better stop before this becomes a tl;dr wall of text, even though it probably already is. Oh! One more thing!~ As for the ToS game model images, aren't they great? I was able to replace Juan Ma's garbage with them, and they are so clear and consistent. I realize the background is slightly off-putting, but I find them much more appealing than the previous ones we had on the ToS character pages. Shame many of these characters never received official artwork. Oh well. Done now! <3

Arosia (talk) 06:27, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Nonsense
This is Sk8erPrince. I don't have much to say, but this: Fuck you. You know what, dick? Just fucking permaban me. Citations my goddamn ass, those English VAs I've posted are all listed from Wikipedia. Have you even fucking verified them yourself before reverting them? And also, while I do admit that omitting Aslan and General Cecille's full names wasn't the right thing to do, WHY THE FUCK would you ban me for editing Aslan's page for the sake of NAME CONSISTENCY? He's called 'Aslan' and then 'Frings' in the next sentence. There's nothing that's so fucking wrong with wanting name consistency on a page, is there? You are a short tempered, fucked up cocksucking immature piece of dipshit. I contribute to this Wikia out of the goodness of my heart, BUT NOOOOO, some wannabe controller asshole admin just have to ban people even if they're doing things for the better good. So yeah, again… FUCK YOU.

Oh my, how dramatic. You're right. Wikipedia is an entirely credible source and never wrong /sarcasm. As I said, unless the citation, which you didn't even provide, derives from an official party or affiliation, the information is moot. The reason I banned you is because I told you not to touch either of those pages again. You were already given too much leniency, so no, I don't think I'm being unreasonable. You can throw your temper tantrums elsewhere because they have no effect here.

Arosia (talk) 20:16, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

New templates
Nothing too special, but I wanted to give each of them a lick of paint. The in some of them is so they don't hug the content of the article. Thoughts?
 * All I changed with the Stub template is the image. Its function is fine.
 * Although the Welcome template isn't really used, I added colors to better match our wiki's theme.
 * The Delete template isn't really used either, but I changed it up a bit.
 * Same with the Image template. Provided the link to our Images page.
 * I am proud of the Unlocalized template. It is the most used, and as such, I wanted it to be more professional-looking and not as intrusive.
 * The Wikipedia template was fugly before, so yeah.

Arosia (talk) 03:56, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Removed the above templates because they have since been changed again.

Arosia (talk) 00:22, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Celsius's tabbed character templates
Eh, what do you think of it? The tabs are little inelegant, but it solves the page length issue I think. Lanate (talk) 04:00, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

I actually really like it, and I find it to be ideal for the Spirit pages due to the number of their appearances. In fact, I was already planning on implementing them when I have the time. Been busy irl lately.

Arosia (talk) 04:12, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Tales of Hearts R localization
Oh, didn't know we had that. Thanks.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:35, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Ban
Ok sorry about the misunderstanding all i was trying to say was that the proof that was send to me was not proof at all and had nothing to do with the games when I translated it to English. that was all. and two days ago my internet was not working on my wiiu so i thought some thing was worng so i was trying to fix it but then i found out that my mom change something because she thought it was to long

Stubs
Please explain to me why you felt in necessary to delete the stub Tales of Link? After all all articles have to start somewhere? Fei noh a  Talk 22:36, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

You answered your own question. It is against our policy on this wiki to create stub articles, as it adds to the overall workload and leaves the article for someone else to flesh out. Yes, all articles must start somewhere, but that single-sentence article you created failed to adhere to our format standards and contained such scarce information that it may as well not exist in the first place. The article will be created properly in due time, most likely by myself.

Arosia (talk) 02:26, December 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * After reading your message I checked the Manual of Style (which I probably should have read before creating the page; Although I was excited about creating an article for it on the wiki after I found out about the game via Gelbooru). I still think that my page was allowable under the Manual of Style, but I'm not going to argue any more about this issue. Happy editing, Fei noh  a  Talk 03:49, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

I said Policy. I said nothing about the MoS, which doesn't mention this rule, although it is advisable that you familiarize yourself with both if you wish to contribute to this wiki. Our policy stresses the avoidance of creating articles with no content (or next to none), which is exactly what you did. Likewise, it is a relatively known rule on this wiki and others. What the MoS does provide, however, is the article format for different types of pages, including game pages. As I've already stated, I will most likely create the article properly when I have the time, which may even be soon, especially now that your activity has brought its non-existence to my attention.

Arosia (talk) 05:31, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

Heroes wiki
Are we allowed to link to that wiki from character pages on this wiki? Fei noh a  Talk 03:55, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

No, we are not affiliated with them and have no need to be.

Arosia (talk) 05:31, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

Image Category Fix Up
Thanks for the fix up with the Elle and Rollo image I uploaded. I don't know how exactly the categorization process is here so sorry for more work. Also, if there is need I can make few screenshots of some games if there's need.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 11:23, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry about the categorization. I can always take care of that, if needed. My only question is, from where did you obtain that particular image? If it's yours, great. If not, I'd like to provide a link to the original source.

Arosia (talk) 19:49, December 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * I downloaded a video from YouTube on my drive and using VLC media player I took the screenshot. Nothing complicated. And thanks again for the categorization work.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:52, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

I must admit that actually I am now confused as to what material is allowed on this site and what should be in the description. All the costume images I uploaded yesterday where originating from AbyssalChronicles.com, but I took the liberty to crop the unnecessary white space and save the images as PNG files so they wouldn't be so quality-lossy since JPGs look terrible when shown in other resolutions than their own (the smaller the image is the more grainy and more eyesore it becomes). Also, if you are not gonna use licencing templates for files you could pretty much remove them from the dropdown menu which appears when uploading a file. Or are they there as to not be on central Wikia's bad side that we "don't have/use licencing templates"? (Decided to use this section than starting a new one since it related to images in some way, hope you don't mind.)—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 08:59, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

First of all, we don't use Wikia licensing templates because they lack the necessary information for users to actually understand what they're slapping on image files. I am an admin for Wikia, not a lawyer. If they want these legal tags standardized throughout their wikis, then they need to write the tag in a way that thoroughly explains the legal requirements. I've said this before, but most users have no idea what they're doing when they slap a licensing tag on an image, and for all we know, they could simply be lying about such documentation. As such, we require a direct source so that we may verify the image's free use ourselves. As of lately, I have actually been poking my head into other successful wikis to observe their image documentation, and many of them don't practice citation at all. It's a vague area, which is why we stick to official websites and verified permission sources as means of documenting our images.

Now, as for the images you uploaded, the adult Elle and Rollo one was deleted because Mayu has repeatedly enforced a rule on this wiki that no screenshots from YouTube videos are allowed due to copyright. The costume images, while I speculated they were from AC, weren't cited - nor did they adhere to our image formatting standards, which you can find here. Cropping white space is fine, and in such cases, we can add a tagline stating something like "modified from its original source" blahblahblah. That wasn't really the problem though. The problem was that I rid of all costume images during the image sweep due to their excess and tendency to add so much unnecessary clutter to Gallery sections on pages. I really don't want costume images on this wiki, mostly because of the time it would require to be thorough in our implementation of them, but also because there's simply no room for them on many character pages, which would leave them restricted to galleries in image categories.

The only reason I'm so picky now when it comes to images is because we used to have a colossal mess of an image infrastructure before I shaped it up. I'm not going to allow it to get that way again.

Arosia (talk) 19:14, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Would it be alright to at least mention costume 'cameos' in respective characters' "Trivia" section? That way we don't add costume images which are considered on this Wiki unnecessary, yet we provide information that such thing exist for a variety of characters (although personally I would like to have them on the Wiki, but we lack dedicated userbase to maintain it on a desirable level). After all, many of our articles require much needed expansion.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:39, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, this sort of information in Trivia sections is fine.

Arosia (talk) 23:38, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Zestiria's anime special
Hi there! The Tales of Zestiria Doushi no Yoake has been released and subbed. You can check it here. http://goo.gl/fSNrzQ. And Happy New Year btw.

Thanks, Juan Ma. Happy New Year to you, too.

Arosia (talk) 01:01, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Aselians
Thanks for all the hard work and contributions to the wiki. We've had a good year, and the wiki is looking good. Everyone tends to get busy around the end of the year, so it's understandable that we were kind of slow there for a while. We've been picking back up the pace though, and I'm satisfied with the recent results. A few of my New Years resolutions include finishing ToD (currently on hiatus), playing through ToD2, and as always, helping maintain the wiki. I've accomplished a lot of my own goals this year, including updating the wiki's site organization and giving the wiki's image infrastructure a complete overhaul. One thing I haven't been able to do as much as I would've liked is create more ToR pages. I have several started and saved, so it's just a matter of finishing and publishing them. I intend to work on this, as well as contribute where needed. I'd like to hear from all of you. Any resolutions? Any projects? Any games you plan on playing? Anything you'd like to see done on the wiki? We have a good handful of helpful contributors, and I hope to see more withing the coming year. Thanks again!

Arosia (talk) 01:15, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, things seem organized
Can I come back? Kikonu (talk) 03:12, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

No.

Arosia (talk) 03:14, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Template
Hiya Arosia, I've made a tiny tweak to the Charinfo template(s) so that the image portion will use #FFFFFF instead of the off-white that the wiki uses so it doesn't create that boxing effect around the image. I hope that was okay, the images now don't stick out. ~ Ryousha (talk) 18:18, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

That's fine. Thanks.

Arosia (talk) 23:03, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Redirects
Sorry for that repetition in the "ToV Characters" template, but honestly: why are you so intent on having redirects on nav templates? If you wish to keep the wording to minimum due to long names you could use the pipe technique. I am yet to encounter a Wiki where redirects are okay on nav templates or in the article.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 00:34, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not intent on it. It just makes the most sense, seeing as he is only referred to as "Ioder" in the game. It's the same reason why we don't list Estelle's full name. It's unnecessarily long, although in Estelle's case, we list her in accordance with all media. If redirects aren't okay on nav templates or in articles on other wikis, then do where do they apply redirects, if at all? Unless you're implying that they go through the trouble of masking the link. Redirects are necessary for a lot of things. We link the characters on the nav templates in the same manner as they would be linked in an article.

Arosia (talk) 00:42, January 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * On the other hand, we usually link full names. The only rule that supersedes that is when the character is more known by their nickname or alias. We have Duke Pantarei in the same template, and his surname is only revealed in supplementary materials. Lanate (talk) 03:57, January 23, 2015 (UTC)

Ioder can have his full name listed on the template, although I still feel it's a bit long and compare his case to Estelle's. Others such as Duke, however, will not have their names condensed, even if the information is derived from supplementary materials. I see this is beginning to become a problem, and we never did make a final decision on the ToX2 middle name thing.

Arosia (talk) 04:45, January 23, 2015 (UTC)

Character Template Order
Sorry to be such a drag, but could you explain me how do you order characters on Character Templates, and possibly on Game Templates? 'Cause it's black magic to me and I'm confused with it.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:49, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

On game templates, the characters are ordered to mirror how they are listed on the official sites. As for the character templates, it really depends. Protagonists are typically listed in the same order as I just mentioned, and others may be ordered based on appearance or some other series/pattern. I would have to take a look at them again to really determine that, and I'm at work right now. In other words, there's probably no set rule yet, but I may change that soon. Order of appearance sounds ideal, but not if it separates characters of a particular group, such as the Grand Cardinals, Terrors, God-Generals, etc. Whatever you do, please don't change anything until I can look at them personally and make a decision on the matter.

Arosia (talk) 19:51, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, official rules would be very good to have for templates at all. We can still apply "order of appearance" for groups as an order in which particular members of an organization are mentioned or officially make a physical on-screen appearance.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:12, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

ToS figurines
Hello, I am the user who posted about the Tales of Symphonia figurines. I am sorry I left it like I did. I did not know how to make a table format as I am new here. If you would tell me how, I would like to continue contributing to the page by using it next time.

Yours Truly,

--Swordsmanoftime3001 (talk) 04:44, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Lanate fixed it, so don't worry about it. If you're new to wikis, I suggest you avoid something complicated like formatting tables. If you have information you wish to provide, do so elsewhere, such as a talk page, and we can handle the rest in due time.

Arosia (talk) 04:57, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Redirects
Could you please tell me why is preferred to use "#REDIRECT  " to "redirect  "? I've been using the latter method pretty much since I can remember (but it is mainly on Final Fantasy Wiki) and it wasn't brought to my attention that there is something wrong with it. Either way, both ways do pretty much the same thing, right?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 01:37, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Consistency, which I take very seriously on this wiki. That's all you need to know. Now abide by it.

Arosia (talk) 01:42, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, let it be your way. But geez, you don't have to be so harsh. And thanks for fixing those arte articles up after me.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 01:49, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Well, it's really one of those things that, if an admin asks you to do it a certain way, you do it. I realize it's minor, but you're talking to someone who has OCD and strives for consistency in all areas on this wiki. This is the method that Lanate prefers, so I have followed suit. It looks nicer as well.

Arosia (talk) 01:53, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Singular they
Is there any chance we can adopt the Singular they? I feel like it's far less cumbersome than he or she for extended, gender-neutral writing. Case in point: Protagonist (Radiant Mythology). Lanate (talk) 05:45, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, the wonderful English language. Since we're not writing formal literature analysis essays (welcome to my world), I suppose so, lol. You know I can't say no to you, Lanate! Especially after all you do. I'm laughing my ass off right now at that Protagonist article, and I did that! Yeah, we'll just do that. It's simpler. Don't be shy to mention these things. My academic tendencies sometimes carry over into my wiki editing.

Arosia (talk) 05:52, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Arte pages
Heh, lack of descriptions for each appearance and not putting full quotes and descriptions in both Japanese and English (and my Japanese is limited to reading katakana with Wikipedia's help OTL) does pile quite an amount of work for Lanate since I presume you rely on him due to his expertise on Japanese, but I also notice him being very good at arte descriptions. I suppose the best way to go would be trying to complete a single page within my userspace sandbox although that would require of me searching for (a) site(s) with Japanese quotes and/or descriptions. Still, someone would need to provide romanization and translation for each quote if I'd be lucky enough in my search. This sounds good with you, Arosia?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:10, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Ask Lanate because it's not my area.

Arosia (talk) 00:45, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't do translations; my Japanese is nowhere near good enough for that. I usually stick to describing artes and compiling users. In terms of quotes and descriptions, they're actually far down on my priorities because I know that it's rather high up on other people's and thus they can fill it in for me.


 * If you feel the need to, then yes, create drafts on your user space. You don't need to have every single quote or in-game description; the first two sections are far more important. I'm not sure if you're aware, but there's a tool called Special:WhatLinksHere that shows all pages that link to the page. This helps immensely. Lanate (talk) 03:06, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

I used the Special:WhatLinksHere in few last arte pages I made after I remembered that such thing exists. Sorry for giving you so much work; I'll try to improve.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:43, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Seraph or Seraphim?
Um, I'm still confused about these two terms... I know that Shepperd is the Priest, but what is the difference between Seraph and Seraphim? Are they the same?

Mr. Empty (talk) 01:54, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Seraphim is the plural of Seraph. Lanate (talk) 02:03, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Mr. Empty (talk) 03:02, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Burst Artes
Sorry, is there a reason why you're removing the descriptions for the burst artes' altered versions? Lanate (talk) 03:00, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, they were poorly written, and I didn't feel like fixing them. I can add them back, if you like.

Arosia (talk) 03:02, February 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * I can do it. Lanate (talk) 03:09, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Tales of Zestiria Grade Shop
I usually ask permission before I get into it.

I've got my resources ready to make the grade shop list table for the game.

--Metempsycosis Anima (talk) 04:36, February 20, 2015 (UTC)

Go ahead. We'll fix it if there's any problems.

Arosia (talk) 04:39, February 20, 2015 (UTC)