User talk:Mayu Miyuki/Archive 2


 * This is an archival of all discussions on Mayu Miyuki's user talk page througout the year of 2009. These conversations are considered to be closed - if you wish to leave a reply to any of these posts, please leave your comment on the original page.

Apple Gumi
Read what you said so for example if I uploaded this video to my youtube account since all the versions on youtube are subtitled and the same so no copy right no problem?--Emil Castagnier 06:48, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Even if you receive explicit permission to use the video and subtitles from the person who uploaded them, standard wiki policy says you must upload any media to the wiki servers, like you would do with pictures. If you can't do that with videos, then don't bother adding videos in the first place. This is not a video hosting or indexing site in the first place, so we don't need links to videos - people should be able to search for them themselves. Our wiki should be used for summarizing those videos.


 * Btw, I also want all of those videos in some arte pages to be removed. Seriously, it's not like you can upload a video for every version of Demon Fang, and even trying to do so is stupid when Namdai Japan releases 4~5 new games/ports/spinoffs each year! (Slow down please, you're milking the Tales series worse than Square Enix milks FF!)


 * Mayu Miyuki 14:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Does that mean that the link that shows a teaser for the next Tales of for Wii that I put on the news is forbidden, as well? Penamesolen 17:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want my opinion, that shouldn't be there either. Instead, a link providing a source of where this information comes from (such as Abyssal Chronicles (1) (2) or Symphonic Haven) should be displayed.


 * Besides, it helps everyone if we link to those English Tales fansite hubs that actually provide some real news about Tales almost daily, rather than try to add the more important things to this wiki whenever we feel like it. It's hard to keep up with all of the news all of the time... (Not to mention that those sites deserve more publicity, since our wiki really just doesn't cut it in many areas...)


 * Mayu Miyuki 18:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay I get you plus I found a lot of images of artes like Demon Fang and Prism Stars, but a lot of other wikis post the videos from youtube for insight information. Ah who cares I'll just post pictures.--Emil Castagnier 05:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If you really think videos are necessary, you can ask Imaginationac for his opinion on the use of videos. But you have to realize that each embedded video causes additional bandwidth to be spent when loading the page, since they are flash objects instead of static images. And of course, this is before someone even clicks the "play" button to stream the video contents.


 * Besides, who in their right mind would post 20 five-second videos of one attack in every game? Especially something as boring as Demon Fang... Comparison videos already exist for certain attacks like Indignation and Thunder Blade, but obviously they are missing certain games. One of those Indignation videos has a random Execution in it. The comparison video for Shishisenkou (Beast) has a random Senkoubappa in it. The comparison video for Hououtenku (Rising Phoenix) have Houou Tenshouku (Razing Phoenix) and Gurentenshou (untrans.) in it. Now if someone does take the time to do every comparison... new games are being released all the time. None of those comparison videos I mentioned have anything from Vesperia/DotNW/Hearts (notable games of 2008), or even Tempest/RadiMai/Innocence (notable games of 2007). If someone makes a video today, well guess what? RadiMai 2 is releasing in exactly 8 days (Japan time)! After that? The new Tales of "Ten" will be released in however many months! (Namco may be planning something else in between, and certainly some things after....)


 * How much work would it be to keep videos updated like that? How much work does it take to keep this wiki updated like that? We still aren't updated as much as we should be, and that's the whole reason why I gave up working on the individual artes pages in the first place - there are several hundreds of artes, and new ones appear all the time, and old ones are frequently reconditioned or modified, and then Hometek renames some of them in strange or absurd ways that can cause problems. Videos are just an extra hassle that no sane person wants to work on.


 * Mayu Miyuki 12:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry for waking up this old subject, but when you say that the videos should be uploaded the same way as pictures, do you mean the same way this page does? It's just out of curiosity.

Penamesolen 12:46, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Those are animated .gif images, not videos. As for the actual subject of uploading videos, don't do it. I was trying to dissuade and prevent its use here, not provide an actual method or reason to use them.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:48, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm saying it again, "out of curiosity". How come everyone think that I'm going to do the things I ask about when it's (often) just curiosity for the unknown English world? :O


 * Penamesolen 14:43, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * I wasn't trying to offend. I just try to preempt any possible problems before they happen. That's how I do things.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:50, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Radiant Mythology 2 leaked already; artes lists available on a JP wiki now
I'm just making this information known here. The game has been leaked and distributed through 2ch, so some people have started to play this game and record its info. I'm not going to work on translating and converting these lists to be displayed on our wiki yet, since I don't have the time for it. But the information is already being uploaded on the Japanese wiki for this game, with lots of missing information (TP, levels, etc.) to be filled in as more people play the game.

These are just random links. All of the artes lists seem to be filled in for every possible class for the Descender and for every supporting Tales character (excluding Claire as expected). SPOILERS - Dhaos/Barbatos/Celsius seem to be enemies only, not playable (but obviously not fully tested), but the artes they use during battle are also listed on the wiki. And the Destiny 2 chars don't get to keep their extension system... ;_;

Radiant Mythology 2 @wiki Main Page Kenshi (Swordsman) Mahou Kenshi (Magic Swordsman) Soukenshi (Twinsword, aka. Dual Swordsman) Phantasia chars (Cless/Chester/Mint/Arche/Suzu) Rebirth chars (Beigu-chan/KUREAAA/Mao/Eugene/Annie) (and so on)

If anyone is willing to work on these lists for our wiki, please go ahead. I may do some of them this weekend if I can find the time for it, but I'm counting on others to help out if they are interested. (Yes, I'd work on this game and not the first RadiMai because I'm lazy! =P )

Mayu Miyuki 00:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I've completed all of the arte lists for the custom classes. After looking through all those pages on the JP wiki, it really does seem like a lot of the information has not been added yet - the five new classes don't have as many attacks as I think they should. (Paladin has like, 7 different artes total right now...) This means some of the original classes from the first game may not have the artes and spells they used to have after all, but we need to wait for others to fix up the JP wiki more before cleaning up our pages.

Now to deal with exactly 46 supporting Tales chars in this game.... fun stuff. As always, I'm willing to let someone else do the work for me~

Mayu Miyuki 19:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

This being the more important issue to me than the one below... It turns out that most of the arte lists that were based on classes from the first RadiMai were incorrect and assumed, and the classes really did receive more drastic changes. This includes the Hunter class's mystic arte being changed to Wild Geese, and the addition of two other master artes. Thanks to Lunar Eclipse of the Namco Tales Forums for pointing this out here.

I'll make the necessary changes this weekend based on this JP wiki's info. I hope this applies to only the classes that came from the first game, but it's always possible that the Tales chars from that game may have had changes too. Repeating the usual comments, anyone who wants to fix the lists themselves, please go ahead and help out if you can.

Mayu Miyuki 20:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Quick question! For RadiMai2's Mystic Artes, is it activated by arcane artes and advanced spells?  And for Tear's, can her Fonic Hymns activate her Mystic Artes as well?  I feel stupid for asking, but I need to double check.  ;_;  Lanate (talk) 19:40, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes to both. I forgot about that during all this copy/paste spamming, haha. I'll try to fix the ones I've already done later.


 * Mayu Miyuki 19:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Scratch what I said here. The MA's that are activated by advanced spells, for certain, are Divine Judgment, Sacred Shine, Sacred Blame/Penance, Indignate Judgment, Holy Judgment, Crazy Comet/Princess of Mermaid, Aqua Rimms, Innocent Shine, Mystic Cage, and Unchained Note. They don't activate through arcane artes. Everything else uses arcane artes only (even Shining Bind). It's either one or the other, and never both.


 * Tear's Innocent Shine still does activate using either advanced spells or fonic hymns.


 * Mayu Miyuki 22:24, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ~edited 00:32, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The Tales of-templates
Since the templates are including the titles, skills and artes etc., are we supposed to cut off the "See also" sections for the characters, which shows the exact same thing? I just have to know before I begin doing that.

Penamesolen 18:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes. That's why I made the templates. =D


 * Mayu Miyuki 19:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, but, um, the ToS-characters' armor and weapons are missing. And even if they weren't, Kratos and Zelos uses the exact same armor/weapons, and the latters share some with Lloyd, right? I just want to know about that.

Penamesolen 20:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * For weapons and armor, I want to sort the pages the way Lanate made the Vesperia weapons pages - sorting by type (swords/dual blades/daggers/kendamas/etc.). Because multiple chars can use the same equipment, we can't sort them by character because that will cause repetition. Personally, I don't want to bother with converting the existing weapon/armor lists yet. If you or anyone else wants to do it, go ahead. But for now, you can add their weapon/armor lists as they exist now (sorted by char) on the templates if the pages exist.


 * All I really care about are the artes anyway (and I still need to finish many of those lists). Even beyond that, the title lists need to be converted to fit the current format that the arte lists have. Lots of other things to work on, so just save them for another time.


 * Mayu Miyuki 21:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I understand. I'll leave it to you guys then, I guess. I'm a klutz when it comes to make formats, anyway.

By the way, I've been wondering something: when things become a little more settled here (if that ever happens, lol), will there be made more templates, like for locations (like, an Auldrant-template shows all locations for Tales of the Abyss)?

Penamesolen 21:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * They'll be made if people actually take the time to make them. If people don't bother, then we won't have any. I don't expect much else, since most people pass by here to make one or two edits and then disappear forever. Just work on what you want to work on, and let others do the same (and help them out if they need it). Eventually things will work out.... somehow.


 * Mayu Miyuki 22:02, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

How about this:

see Template:ToS Locations

Penamesolen 13:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks a lot better than anything I could have made, so good job I guess. Just... don't leave it here on my talk page, it's already long enough as it is. And honestly, you and everyone else really shouldn't be asking me directly for permission to do things - just do it, and then ask for comments on those pages. I'll complain if I don't like it, or I'll ignore it if I don't care. The same as I've always done things here. =P (I'm not a mod or admin anyway, so what is my opinion really worth?)


 * I really need to get around to cleaning up my talk page sometime....


 * Mayu Miyuki 19:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

* Takes it off* I guess we ask you because you and Lanate are the ones who are making the most reliable edits? =/ I'm not really sure, but I'm always a little nervous to make changes like these, because I don't like causing too much trouble for people. But I'll go and make it (it'll be named "ToS Locations", I guess). So, as you said, please edit or comment on it if there are any wrongs with it.

Penamesolen 21:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As a minor pop in, I agree with Penamesolen's comment on how you seem to make the most reliable edits and me being a bit hesitant to put forth major projects. You're our elder here. :D *bows in respect* Lanate (talk) 06:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I appreciate the comments, but if we always ask for others to check over our work before we upload them, things will go slower than they should. Most of the time, everything is done well enough to not require discussion, so I don't need to be consulted about everything here. (It's kinda useless for me to say "good job" about every little thing - I have to worry about my own morale before supporting others' efforts. =P )


 * Don't be afraid to do your own things. This wiki can be edited freely, and any problems or mistakes can be modified easily if someone notices them. I'm always around to help if anyone needs me (so don't be afraid to ask for my help either!), but I can't be the one to solve every problem.


 * Mayu Miyuki 14:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't be afraid to do your own things.
 * So that means I can change that feature artilce from Raine Sage to something else then? Anyone ok with Undine or Indignation?


 * --Emil Castagnier 04:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I said this before, but I don't really care about the featured article thing. We don't have many articles that are so well-made that they can be displayed on the front page, and we certainly don't have enough to cycle through new ones each month. If it were up to me, we wouldn't have a featured article at all... but again, I don't really care. So yeah, change it to whatever you want.


 * Mayu Miyuki 11:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Addressing people
Please see the talk topic Addressing people on my talk page. Lanate (talk) 19:00, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Enemy arte lists
Something I've been thinking about for a while - how should we display these? Enemies also have access to artes, and some of them are exclusive to themselves within the game they are from, but they introduce new translated names for artes that have been used by Tales chars in the past. Examples of this include Alexei's Raging Ice Fang (Touga Shoureppa was used by Veigue), Magnar's Roaring Explosion (Kappa Bakusougeki was used by Loni and PS2 Mary), or even Sync's Reaper's Toll (Soudou Shouteiha/Twin Palm Strike was used by Farah). And then there's all the fun stuff Mimi Baker had, like Majinpan/Pansazame/etc. (DEMON BREAD! BREAD RAIN: ALPHA! EAT... BREAD!)

Some enemies have enough artes to provide them with the same variety that playable chars have, even linkable as if they were sorted into Base/Arcane ranks (which they are in some cases), so they may end up being split off into separate pages. Other generic enemies have one or two artes (things like Taunt or Run Away), but even important boss-type enemies like Kaiser Dist or Sword Dancer (Abyss version) have like 2~4 artes max. And even then, most sites don't have any info on their damage output statistics, and enemies don't use TP. Basically, I'm at a loss on how to sort everything consistently. I don't even know how we should plan to display the monster ally artes from DotNW...

Another option is to make a detailed strategy or event list page for each game, like most JP wiki groups are formatted already, showing every event and boss in order, displaying when all skits become accessible, and so on. I guess it would end up becoming like the guides you'd see on Gamefaqs though, so I'm not sure this is the best option for a wiki.

Whatever the case, I don't want to keep enemy arte info on the existing playable char pages. I'd rather move them to a different page so people don't get confused. Especially since the Flynn battle has an achievement that requires you to have him use every arte he has, when a good number of them aren't available during his short playable period. Same with Richter's mystic artes and extension, and Leon's Majin Senretsushou. They can't be used while they're playable so why should they stay on their playable arte lists.

I don't want to start on something like this right away. So here's a quick link dump for anyone who wants to work on these things.

TotA enemy artes ToV enemy artes ToS:DotNW enemy-exclusive artes

Mayu Miyuki 21:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * *rubs head* It's something that's been nagging at me as well. I honestly have no clue what to do also.  And here's another website with lists of artes, some of which are enemies' "Te" Section. Lanate (talk) 03:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

@ Lanate - I'm aware of that site, but it's such a clusterfuck of hyperlinks, a very badly formatted clusterfuck at that, that it's hard to navigate through. The game-specific wiki groups are more recognizably organized.

Mayu Miyuki 14:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

But what would the name be? If there should be TWO arte pages for Flynn's artes, one for his artes as playable and one for his artes as an enemy, then they can't have the same name, right?

Penamesolen 21:54, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know. I'm leaving it up to community input since I don't want to be the only one who has to think about this. I would prefer to have a single page for all enemy artes in each game, but obviously there are some enemies that have way too many artes. I really don't want to follow the "[game] - [char]: Artes" title format since the enemies never come with their own titles or passives or other modifiers, besides the generic stuff like Taunt or Damage Break or Overlimits.


 * Maybe "[game] - Enemy Artes ([char])"? Like "ToV - Enemy Artes (Flynn Scifo)" (or just "Flynn" if that's what it says in the magic lens), and "ToV - Enemy Artes (Traitor to Heaven)" for Kratos. I still prefer to make some sort of "strategy" page for each boss that lists all of their artes, HP contingencies, and other details on the same page... that's why I asked about this in the first place, I don't know what to do so someone else should decide for me.


 * Mayu Miyuki 22:26, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want to have more than just the artes (maybe, in ToV, the information to how to unleash the secret quests), how about "[game] - Enemies ([char])?", whereas the char's name will be that of the Magic Lens. And maybe add in the real/full name as a redirect or something.


 * EDIT: Or it could be "[game] - Magic Lens ([char])", since we'll take consentration into the information the Magic Lens gives. I'm not sure.


 * Penamesolen 06:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Synopsises
I was wondering about writing down the synopsis for Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology. But just in case, if it's all right to make one, should it be named "TotW:RM - Synopsis"?

Penamesolen 13:00, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

If it's just a synopsis, it should go on the main RadiMai page in a "Synopsis" or "Story" section. We don't need a separate page for it. What I meant by having a page for listing events, I think this should be left as spoiler-free as possible, basically the way Kouli makes his guides for most games he works on. Where to go, which treasure chests/hidden items/recipies can be found in each area, which monsters/groups can be fought, what scenes trigger new skits or disable previous skits, specifics like that without revealing story info.

Mayu Miyuki 14:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I meant synopsis as in what you get in hte section "Library" in the game. There was something called Synopsis in ToS, too, right? It basically tells all the main events throughout the game, so I wondered if it should get its own page, or if it should be what tells the events in the locations, or if it should just be left alone. I just began wondering this after a while.

Penamesolen 14:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. If you're willing to transcribe the text from the Synopsis/Library/Diary entries in any of the games, then go ahead. That's a lot of text to copy from the game, but if you really want to do it, then more power to you. And yeah, the page would be named "TotW:RM - Synopsis". There should be a note at the top of the page saying that all of the text is directly ported from the localized game, just so people know it's not our wiki's own summary.

Mayu Miyuki 14:30, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

*headbang*
I was half-way through Vesperia's accessory page when my browser crashed on me and didn't give me a chance to recover. I'm giving up for now. Lanate (talk) 22:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Tales of VS. and Tales of Graces (NOT Gracia!) seems to be confirmed, but April Fools' is today
http://photo.gaforum.org/showimage.php?s=deaab1924deb981096b4ed61e887c9d9&i=21251 http://photo.gaforum.org/showimage.php?i=21250&c=

Screenshot of a magazine scan for Tales of VS. for the PSP, and Tales of Graces for the Wii. I'm not willing to believe this YET, considering how today is April Fools' day, and last year we had that shitstorm over Narikiri Dungeon "4", which also looked like a legitimate magazine scan that was released 3 days AFTER April Fools'. But supposing this is real... interesting. What a wonderful time for the official Tales forums to be offline due to what seems to be the same old server troubles here in NA.

Keep in mind that "Tales of Gracia" was never confirmed (good job Zolo), so this seems to imply that "Graces" is the correct name. But again, remember that these scans can still be fake.

The first image also shows something about a PS3 Vesperia. Not sure if I want.

These scans were linked to us courtesy of LJkAze and Zappa of the Phantasian Productions forums.

Mayu Miyuki 16:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

ToDR Artes
I have a question about the Artes pages for ToDR, particularly the romanizations for several of the sections. I just need some clarification on these kanji, since all my Japanese knowledge comes from dictionaries. Lanate (talk) 18:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 剣技 (Kenjutsu): That last kanji (技), I can't find any instance of it being jutsu; I thought it was gi, like when you put 術剣技 as Jutsukengi.
 * 変化術技 (Henka Tokugi): This kanji (術) is jutsu, isn't it? I don't know where that'd by turned into toku.  I thought it was established that 特技 is tokugi.
 * 昇華剣技 (Shouha Kenjutsu): Aside from the same problem with Kenjutsu up there, a google search of 昇華 with Shouha ends up with this wiki and an FAQ as the first instances of it. Shouka on the other hand gets many more, including several dictionary websites.


 * Bleh, you're absolutely right. I have no excuses.


 * 剣技 - Kengi
 * 変化術技 - Henka Jutsugi
 * 昇華剣技 - Shouka Kengi


 * Please fix them for me?


 * Machi-Machi Slowpoke 18:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

My computer isn't supporting kanji right now, so... does that mean that Veigue's "Henka Tokugi" is supposed to be "Henka Jutsugi", as well?

Penamesolen 10:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * 特技 - Tokugi
 * 変化特技 - Henka Tokugi


 * ...so no.


 * By the way, has anyone found out what the elemental changes are called in Symphonia JP yet? For all intents and purposes, I've been calling them "altered artes" for a while now, and I just want the satisfaction of knowing it's an accurate term.


 * Mayu Miyuki (talk) 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Faq Request
I'm making a Tech FAQ for RM2, and I would like to know if I can use the Tech page for reference? --Kyle Kusanagi 19:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Absolutely! Go for it. This is an open wiki resource, after all.


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 11:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll probably be done by the end of this week or next week.--Kyle Kusanagi 14:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The FAQ is done, and up on Gamefaqs, tell me what you think. http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/psp/game/950187.html--Kyle Kusanagi 20:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks great, and I do love the comparison between what has been lost and gained by the classes between the first and second game. I wish we could have a decent way to display something like that here, but that comes with its own set of formatting issues for the wiki. The best we have were my edit commentaries that can be read only by looking at each page history, which most people don't realize even exists anyway. I do have a lot to say on the style of some characters (like the differences between Lloyd and Spada, which are decently noticeable even without Indignation), but it's not like we have a good place to list things like that here.


 * I'm not fond of some of the romanization formats that you have used, such as "Ho'ou Tenku", but it's your guide and your choice, and I understand that you would want to keep consistency with your earlier guides that use the same style of romanization. At least you aren't using those eyesore-inducing diacritic markings.


 * I also notice that you followed through with the style of Kiko's guide for the first game, keeping the same organization style and notes for each class and character, and I'm sure most people do appreciate that, especially if they have used her guide often.


 * It might be more convenient for people who are not familiar with the Japanese names of the attacks if you have a column that shows the [most recent/most common] (your choice) localization for them, the same way Kiko added them to her guide. I believe they were there before any of us knew RadiMai 1 was going to be localized, and she had to change them (and missed a few errors) once it was released in English. It's just something extra to add, but if not, you should point out your other guide that lists all the artes from throughout the series as another reference for them.


 * Hey, just my honest thoughts. I do appreciate you crediting this wiki on your guide, since we need all the positive publicity we can get for once. I just wish more people would help out here sometimes.


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 21:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I was planning on waiting a few more months to see if RM2 would be announced for a US release, that way I can easily get a list from someone (probably you), and make it one HUGE update, I don't like it when 1/2 of a list maybe blank since XXX game has little to no localizations to use, but listing my other FAQ for reference is a good idea. Thanks. Feel free to add anymore input.
 * --Kyle Kusanagi 21:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

ToS:DotNW Incantations
Taking a short bit online before heading to bed for the last day of Anime Boston (I saw this uber-cute Ion cosplay and a hawt Guy cosplay but they went into the event before I could ask for a photo), there's this youtube video I found a while back which had all these incantations for Knight of Ratatosk, including their own transliteration. Because I don't know Japanese kanji, do they make sense? If it does, then should we cite it? Lanate (talk) 04:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I remember that video from a long time ago, lol. I even used it as proof on the Tales forum that Genis has Indignation as a single-hit spell -and- as a 12-hit slightly-more-powerful hi ougi, for those who didn't believe me, haha.


 * The problem is, the incantations that are written here are all annotations, and I would like to be able to kopipe~ the Japanese text to avoid possible mistranscriptions (like the 剣 vs. 劍 thing I see sometimes, since they both look similar and pronounce the same - tsurugi/ken, silly Chinese synonyms). If any of the ToS-R JP wiki sites do not list incantations (and the wiki that I had bookmarked seems to have moved to another site so I can't check right now), then we might not have a choice, and this source really is better than nothing. So if we are going to use what is listed on the video, then yes it should be cited like all the other materials.


 * Have fun at your anime convention. I wanted to go to the next local con... but certain problems irl prevent that from happening this summer. Again. No new laptop for me to replace this horrible machine either. ;_;


 * Bah, I'd rather go to the next Comiket, but we all know that will never happen. Touhou UFO will be released during that event...


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 13:43, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Tales of Wahrheit arte lists ahoy!
Yes, that obscure Mobile game that no one outside of Japan can ever hope to play. Somehow I stumbled across this page while looking for an excuse to label "puroozuheaa" as "plush hare" instead of "prose hare", but nevermind that.

http://www.geocities.jp/mine_myroom/wahrheit-skill.htm

From a quick browse of the site, there's other stuff for the events, item shop lists and costs, cooking recepies, and other miscellany if anyone is interested, and they seem to be mostly complete, sans the missing item descriptions for a good majority of them. The characters page is completely void of info though, and the titles page has only two or three entries per char (which might be complete anyway, for a mobile phone game). There may be other sites with better info, but I never really bothered to check before since I couldn't find any atwiki compilations for the mobile games.

I'll get to translating the artes info for our wiki after I'm done with the little bit I wanted to work on for Symphonia's monster list while I have the time and interest today. (And yes, this comes before Rebirth spellcasters. For some reason.)

By the way, I'm pretty sure Kouli made an arte guide for one of the Mobile games a long time ago (probably Commons?), but the lack of kana/kanji forced me away from doing anything with that game, since I remember seeing a lot of unique things which I would have no hope of guessing the kanji for. If anyone has more info for Tactics/Commons/Wahrheit or the other mobile games (and anything is helpful, even the most basic story outlines), please help out. Then again, don't ignore the main series missing info either...

Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 22:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It turns out that the chars can level past 100 in this game, which grants them access to one more base arte that is not listed on that original page. And furthermore, each character seems to get only 2 arcane artes (even spellcasters, just like in Rebirth wheee), which seems odd considering how many base artes each char has. Unless these things are supposed to be hi ougi, but they're missing the "hi" part.


 * New link here - http://nezweb.net/~dg/TOM/TOW/tow.html


 * This site also has all of the grade shop costs, which reminds me that we need to have a series of grade shop pages for each game that we already have on this wiki. Whenever we get to that point, I guess. It also lists a few more titles for some chars, as I expected there would be more. Not a lot more, so I think it's still incomplete. Anyway, the previous site is much more clearly organized, and it still seems to have a decent wealth of other info - it still has more info about each arte that it does list, like TP costs, elements, and descriptions. It doesn't hurt to have more sources anyway.


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 03:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I just noticed that the new site also has info for Commons/Breaker/Tactics/Material Dungeon. So, now I have something to crossreference with Kouli's guides for Commons and Breaker. Awesome.


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 04:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Pending edits for all "list"-type pages
While I was working on the monster list for Symphonia, I discovered a very convenient way to decrease a large amount of repetitive text (things like "align=center" on every line), so the page can load that much faster. Just look at the code (but beware of long loading times anyway). I don't know if I should cry or laugh, it's so obvious that I should have tried to do this a long time ago.

Now that I am aware that this option exists, my obsessive-compulsive consistency issues make me want to revisit every arte/title/equip page that exists and make the same kind of changes. At the same time, I can get rid of some "outdated" headers like the "properties and effects" thing on some Eternia pages, fix some section names and add in the JP equivalents as needed, and some other minor fixes all throughout. Imagine how long that would take me to do by myself... heh.

But I should take this time to revisit one thing that I believe Lanate had asked about before, the use of different color schemes for the different types of lists that we have. I'm sure we have more than enough pages at this point to make this change worthwhile. Even I am getting tired of looking at the same colors everywhere on this wiki. While I would like to keep the light-blue colors for the artes pages, I want input on separate colors for titles, passives, equips, consumable/key items, recipies, and Grade Shop pages, even though many of these don't exist yet. There may be more categories that I can't think of right now.

I should mention that I grabbed the original blue shades from Mabinogi World Wiki, but they don't have any other color schemes for me to... acquire... from their site. (I don't even play Mabi anymore.) So anything we do choose will end up being a trial-and-error sort of thing to see what looks okay or not. I'm not a graphics person, so I'd prefer to have other voices. These two links can help to pick out some colors that look nice. Just don't go with anything dark; I don't want to have to deal with changing the color of the text to be readable. Black text only.

http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_colornames.asp http://www.w3schools.com/CSS/css_colors.asp

I think we could go with a light-green scheme for the titles. Something like #32cd32 for the header and #98fb98 for each entry. I haven't tried them for myself yet though. Are there any other thoughts out there...?

Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 01:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want to get other users involved, we can divide and conquer by game or something.


 * I'm going to reuse one of my old sandbox pages for color testing. Check and add to User:Lanate/Table Testing with suggestions so we can see them in action.


 * I'd prefer more muted colors; too bright of a background will strain the eye. Lanate (talk) 02:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Second check of the colors make me like it more. But green in both areas don't look too hot, so I don't think we should use the same hue in both areas; the best part of the color choice in the arte list is that it's not blue in the top. Lanate (talk) 02:25, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Random thoughts: Okay uhh, artes and passives are related, so since I want to keep the blue for artes, passives can be purple. I'm merging all foods and items into one metagrouping, while equips (including costumes) can be related in the same way. So red/orange, in either order. Unless all of the item-type things work better as one unified color.


 * Titles are still green. We could have one last color setup (brown?) for in-game lists, like the bestiaries or Grade Shop, or we can merge them in with the green for titles. Either way, we have RAINBOWS.


 * I will start messing with the code reformatting for the artes pages now, since we won't be changing those colors. I'll start with the easy things first, so lol mobile games.


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 15:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Red: Food/Items
 * Orange: Equips
 * Green: Titles
 * Blue: Artes
 * Purple: Passives


 * Probably a decent brown for other in-game lists. No Yellow; if I have to stare into a yellow background, unless it's been muted into a nice gold and then we'd be breaching orange/brown territory, I will commit ocular suicide.  I'll mix up a brown one real quick. Lanate (talk) 23:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Vesperia PS3 demo release next Monday
http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/176/176462/

Thanks to Kouli as always. The demo is going to feature Keiv Moc, so that will be the time we see what new artes the chars will have (so I can list them!).

This brings up an interesting thought. We should have separate pages each for the 360 and PS3 demos, in addition to the main game itself. The 360 demo had localized names for many of the artes that were overridden in the final release, and I'd like to have those documented, even on the individual arte pages. Most of the artes in that demo wouldn't even be available on a first playthrough by the time you fight Gattuso (same with fatal strikes), and I imagine they would do the same thing with the PS3 demo. I can grab what I had on the existing lists through page history, so we can set up the 360 demo pages at any time. There are only four characters to deal with anyway, since Karol couldn't be switched into the party, iirc.

Once the PS3 version is released officially, I have to check to see if the devs rebalanced or resorted some of the artes and such. It may be possible for us to have a separate set of pages for the PS3 version, meaning we would end up with 4 different Vesperia list sets. I hope it doesn't come to that though, each of the demo versions already have to be separated.

Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 19:06, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Aaand it's released, as of 20 minutes ago or so. I'll be working on the demo pages tomorrow, if the futa-chan 2-ch wiki is updated with the new artes, beyond what is listed already based on scans and trailers that were released before today.


 * Should I dump whatever I have completed already from fixing up the current arte lists? I've filled in the missing data for everyone except Judy (working on it now), but the secondary/hidden functions bit is left incomplete for everyone - I still have all the old stuff that's mostly riddled with fallacies. But the layout is there, perfectly set and workable after quite a bit of tweaking.


 * All of the PS3 stuff will go on a separate set of pages for now. We should list only the artes that appear in the demo on those pages, even if they're mostly the same as the original.


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 03:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

http://jaysonic.blog42.fc2.com/blog-entry-237.html

Link found by RyuHiroshi of the Tales forums. Use in conjunction with the usual JP wiki.

GO FORTH, MY NONEXISTANT MINIONS! (I'll do the artes... obviously. Passives/titles/recipies/items are shown, so someone else can handle those. The new passives have their descriptions listed.)

Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 21:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Should the demos be a part of their character-templates, as well? -Penamesolen 13:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd like that.


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 13:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay....By the way, how will Tales of VS.' be sortened? Vesperia has already got "ToV". Should it be "ToVS", or...? It's just some weeks left to the release, so I was wondering if there is any plan. -Penamesolen 14:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * We'll go with "ToVS". The official site uses "to-vs" in its url, but we won't use that for the same reason we don't use "TOA" or "TOS-R" (for Ratatosk no Kishi/DotNW). The sort order will follow the char select screen list, the same order that our page for Tales of VS. already shows. No chars from Wall Breaker will be included on the template.


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 19:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * ...Can I make its template so that it's made already:D -Penamesolen 19:57, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Go ahead. Once we make that template, I would like to resort the list on the main ToVS page to group everyone by their country affiliations (Hraesvelgr, Dyne, etc). Now that everyone has been confirmed, we don't need to keep all of them in the char select order to show where the unknowns were placed.


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I should have emphasized that I do not want to follow the order on the official site for ToVS. That was the order that they were revealed, and I would prefer to use the official sort order - the character selection screen in the actual game. I don't know why they decided to sort their site this way, since the RadiMai 2 site was sorted correctly in the official order even though they announced each char almost randomly.


 * As for the first NariDan, I can't help you with that, since I couldn't bring myself to continue that game reasonably far enough due to the unnecessary costume grind. Considering how there are only 3 chars in battle at any given time, and how there is space for only 3 chars in the very small menu, all three of those slots would belong to Mel/Dio/Kruelle at all times.


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 22:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll fix the template tomorrow, thanks for telling. And if that's the case with NariDan, I might as well take off the links for those character templates. If it's higher chance for it not having them, that's for the best. again thank you.


 * Penamesolen 22:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll grab Skills.


 * For NariDan, there's only costumes. You meet all of them but they don't join you.  You get to dress up as them though, which leads to the absolutely adorable pictures Change-V has.  Lanate (talk) 01:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

My usual community service announcement
Tales of VS. has been leaked in Japan already, just a few hours ago. Videos are on Nico Nico Douga already. Don't expect any arte lists or similar things for a while... I think we should wait a week until we know how the game allows artes to be learned, and if any other info for those artes (hits/damage/aerials) can be posted on the ToVS atwiki, or any other good sources that may pop up. Right now, most of the things that are listed are from the magazine scans and char gameplay videos.

Besides, this is a rather problematic time for me irl, so I'm not sure I'm up to spending time on VS arte pages. Especially since I haven't completed the Vesperia things that I still have in my queue. I intend to finish those first, and that won't be for a while yet, since I lost my motivation to work on them. (Perhaps I should just post what I have completed, and be done with it.) The VS arte pages are open to anyone who wants to work on them, but no one is obliged to start them right away.

Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 02:55, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I'll do them, but at the moment I'm trying to restart my writing career and dealing with a major project on another wiki. Please excuse me random entrances and exits. Lanate (talk) 03:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


 * According a prelim skimming, there's the following for the artes: name/skill level/TP/aerial-enabled/requirements. Looks like you purchase artes, other than the defaults, with GP (Grade?).  I'll wait a bit longer for the pages to get updated and for things to be sure. Lanate (talk) 01:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Like I said, most of what exists now is based on what we have seen on gameplay videos. Those are always subject to change, like how Arche's TP costs were reduced from her first gameplay video for RadiMai 2 early on, or how Luke's "RADIANTO HAURUUU" was redone to something less absurd after his first VS video. I'm not sure what's the deal about Luke and Colette's two cut-in images though.


 * Yumemi Hoshino (talk) 01:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Public Service Announcement Mk. II
Phantasian Productions has released the demo version of their patch for Phantasia PSX, playable up through the first jump into the past timeline, with a level cap that I believe was to be set at 16 or thereabouts. We can start adding their translated names into the individual arte pages under the "fan translations" sections, for completion and whatnot. Spam redirects if necessary, though it shouldn't be since this tries to follow the Hometek localizations whenever they aren't absurd. (Chester's Hell Pyre became "Hell Blitz", and I'm curious to see what Lightning Tiger Blade is changed to, or not?) Remember that these names should not be used on the arte list pages because they are not official.

I'm disappointed that this news hasn't been picked up elsewhere, lots of elsewheres for that matter, but it's to be expected with all of the negative publicity this group has. Not that our wiki fares any better for the things that we do. Anyway, I'm just saying that this is available now - there isn't a lot that we can do to acknowledge the demo patch release until someone goes through the demo and records what exists, and I don't think many people would like to replay through that game yet again. I'm doing my part to spread the news around, at least.

Now time to continue playing (.hack//Fragment's offline mode) on my new computer 04:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Hearts
Hey Mayu? Have you started playing Hearts yet? If you have, what would you recommend sacrificing during Soma Build? Parameters, Support, or Battle? I've been leaning toward keeping battle skills 'cause I like options, unless the artes suck in that particular rank, and switching off between losing parameters and support when the support skills suck, but I'm not sure at the moment, because, really, what's the use of having all those artes? Do you have a particular view? Lanate (talk) 02:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Most people agree that parameters are the most important thing. If you go for other routes, your own stats will be nerfed compared to your potential otherwise. Artes aren't that important (if at all) since you'll never use most of them anyway; in Shing's case, just try to get Seieirenpa (spammable ranged attack) at rank 7 or 8, and don't bother with the others. Support skills are always useful, so basically the Red path is advised as much as possible. Mixing your choices isn't a bad thing, but it does lead to a "jack-of-all-trades" situation where you aren't as powerful as a "pure" build.


 * The magic-aligned chars would benefit from more spells, though, so the Blue route might help them more unless you intend to control them and own all existance with Glorious Arch or Ice Needles spam. (Which makes me wonder why Lilith's Rainbow Arch was nerfed in the DC version when Beryl's own thing is as broken as it was before, and same to Flash and Vesperia PS3's promotion of broken imbalance.)


 * As for having played the game... no I have not. This is what many people agree to in the Hearts spoiler thread on the official forums. I'm not sure what I'm waiting for at this point, but eh.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Whoops!
About the what I did Lloyd page sorry I didn't know everyone said something like Lloyd against Richter. I've only saw videos only Lloyd doing it.

P.S : Sorry if there are grammer errors and mispelling on any of my edits, I've been editting through my Wii since my computer internet if off.

24.180.23.77-- or Zolo6

monster articles
So uh, as much as I want to contribute to the collective intelligence, I don't really know anything about anything but Dawn of the New World monsters. You mind if I just sort of keep adding them? With no category, it can't hurt anything, can it? SweatshopUnion 04:32, September 18, 2009 (UTC) SweatshopUnion


 * If you really want to work on them, then I can't stop you. Just make sure to cite any resources you take your information from, especially if you were using guides from GameFAQs or similar sites for monster skills and the like.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 04:54, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * As for the categories thing, I set up a "Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World monster allies" category, nested within the parent DotNW category itself. I know there should be a better naming scheme, but "monsters" is a general term that would force the inclusion of non-joinable creatures, even including the generic humanoid soldier fodder, and the game's name must be specified. We do need a category for these pages if you intend to make one for every creature, so I added the new category onto the pages that you started.


 * For the record, evolution and strategy details should be listed on every page for each creature it applies to, and not linked to other pages even if they share similar traits. They can be listed as similar, but people shouldn't have to be forwarded to another page to get information that applies directly to the article that they are reading. This is just minor nitpicking, if you don't mind.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 05:10, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

...
Sorry about the screwy web-translator translation, coudln't think of another way to put that into better words. >_>;


 * And I couldn't think of a better way to express my distaste when I made that comment. I'm sorry for offending you, but you really should just not make a translation of your own, if your interpretation becomes rather incoherent or badly translated. For the sake of simplicity, a simple omission works perfectly fine, since the existing localized quote is already perfectly accurate. Regardless, we appreciate the contribution, it's just that we want some level of reliable accuracy involved with translations, so I strongly encourage people to ignore it if a localized quote already exists with minimal bastardization.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 15:21, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

I completely get what you mean. And i'm glad i could contribute to Aselia, and i will keep helping. Thanks for the heads up.

PSP
Hey seeing that PSP games need certain updates in order to play certain games. So I was thinking, on the game template is okay if I add a PSP Update Needed section on the template?

EX: This is for Tales of VS. PSP Update= 5.55 Lloyd Irving' --


 * Uh, what? The required firmware for the PSP is not really important or relevant, except for pirates. As a wiki hosted by Wikia Central, we cannot support or condone piracy, even if we choose to do it ourselves (and I do it a lot...). This is part of the license agreement with Wikia. Even ignoring that, the required OFW/CFW/homebrew channels/etc. shouldn't matter for anyone who buys and updates a PSP or any of the other current gen systems (PS3/360/Wii) the way they should.


 * You don't see Windows games on Wikipedia showing the required security update build version in order to run the game...


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:58, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * But I do see PSP game articles on wikipedia have the updates on the info box. So I just thought.....


 * Um listen if your getting ticked off by me, can you just tell me?Lloyd Irving' --

No problem
No big deal hehe. Happens to all of us sometimes. Glad I could help! --Miracia 20:49, October 11, 2009 (UTC)Miracia

Music
Hello, it's no big deal, but just wanted to ask why the music page it's gonna be deleted?


 * As I said on the edit summary (see either its history page or Recent Changes), that page is really nothing more than a simple list, linking to other pages that list soundtrack details. This is the role that category pages already have, so there is no reason to keep a separate page to list links to other pages, unless it is used as an embedded template.


 * I don't see what other info you could put to replace what already existed on that page, unless you were to somehow describe the style of Motoi Sakuraba, specifically his self-termed "Tales style" that some of us have come to dislike. Or the styles of Go Shiina and Kaz Nakamura, for the outlier instances that Sakuraba had no role in. Though such a description would be better placed within pages dedicated to themselves... pages that we don't have anyway.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:21, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Keroro RPG
So it's been revealed now in a Japanese magazine scan (not sure which publication) that the "Project K" that we've been hearing so much about lately is a Sgt. Keroro RPG for the DS, being created by Namco Tales Studio and using the Tales LMBS, complete with what seems to be Chain Capacity. This would be the first NTS game that is developed outside of the Tales series (of course excluding that vaporware known as Sword of Legendia), though it is being designed as if it is a Tales game itself, even using that trademarked "Tales of LMBS" logo that was established a few months back. Basically, as others say, this is Tales of Keroro.

So, what are going to do for this game? It's not part of the series that this wiki is focused on, but it might be related enough for us to at least have some information about it, at least more related than Namco x Capcom or Soul Calibur Legends, which also hold Tales properties. If it ends up using Tales arte names and such, I would feel compelled to make lists and such for it, and I doubt another English wiki site will be made for it unless it gets localized... which we can't be sure of if Tales of Graces, or even .hack//Link, aren't announced for English releases yet.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 16:35, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Tales of Keroro! *cheers*  Sorry, I just got the info this morning~  I'm kinda excited for it!  Depending on how related to Tales it is, we should at the very least have a page on it!  And if some of the artes transfer, well, that too~  Famitsu link Lanate (talk) 16:53, November 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * RyuHiroshi on the Tales forums says that the official site updated a while back, and classic Tales attacks like Shishisenkou and Indignation are being used in this game. I've not found any JP wiki site for the game yet (it's still quite early to expect one anyway), but this basically seals the issue in my mind that we should get info from this game onto our wiki, even if a separate dedicated wiki is created for the game.


 * Also new attacks like Hubert's second(?) BC have been revealed in some new gameplay videos from last night, so updates on that are pending... later this week perhaps.
 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 20:33, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Uhh..?
Hey there Mayu, I just popped in to say thanks for expanding the descriptions for Distortion and Mega Sonic Thrust. So uh... thanks! --Zackheart 01:44, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Translation vs. Transliteration
See this topic Mayu: Forum:"Transliteration" does not mean "Translation". Lanate (talk) 13:10, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * I just posted there.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:28, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Dwarven Vows
Depends who you ask if the table looks tacky. I think it looks nice, but you probably don't care what someone without an account has to think. Also if I removed the stub tag. Sorry, it was an accident. Anyway I'm just trying to make the pages here for Tales of Symphonia look nice, and have good facts, but whatever. -Unregistered Contributer


 * The table as it existed previously was a remnant of the old management on this wiki from some two or three years ago, which had users who scripted tables with unnecessary keys ("valign" for instance) and other text, and named pages in a very ineffective and unorganized format. Whether you like the old table or not, we will not go back to such a design. Any table that might be created for this page would have to follow the design of our existing arte/skill/title/equip lists.


 * If you want to keep a table format in keeping with our required style, I'll let you discuss that issue with others on its own talk page, since it's not my initiative. And thank you for contributing on this wiki.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:52, December 28, 2009 (UTC)