User talk:Mayu Miyuki


 * See this page for an archive of older discussions from 2008. All conversations on that page are considered to be closed - if you wish to leave a reply for any of those topics, please leave your comment on the current active page.

Faq Request
I'm making a Tech FAQ for RM2, and I would like to know if I can use the Tech page for reference? --Kyle Kusanagi 19:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Apple Gumi
Read what you said so for example if I uploaded this video to my youtube account since all the versions on youtube are subtitled and the same so no copy right no problem?--Emil Castagnier 06:48, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Even if you receive explicit permission to use the video and subtitles from the person who uploaded them, standard wiki policy says you must upload any media to the wiki servers, like you would do with pictures. If you can't do that with videos, then don't bother adding videos in the first place. This is not a video hosting or indexing site in the first place, so we don't need links to videos - people should be able to search for them themselves. Our wiki should be used for summarizing those videos.


 * Btw, I also want all of those videos in some arte pages to be removed. Seriously, it's not like you can upload a video for every version of Demon Fang, and even trying to do so is stupid when Namdai Japan releases 4~5 new games/ports/spinoffs each year! (Slow down please, you're milking the Tales series worse than Square Enix milks FF!)


 * Mayu Miyuki 14:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Does that mean that the link that shows a teaser for the next Tales of for Wii that I put on the news is forbidden, as well? Penamesolen 17:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want my opinion, that shouldn't be there either. Instead, a link providing a source of where this information comes from (such as Abyssal Chronicles (1) (2) or Symphonic Haven) should be displayed.


 * Besides, it helps everyone if we link to those English Tales fansite hubs that actually provide some real news about Tales almost daily, rather than try to add the more important things to this wiki whenever we feel like it. It's hard to keep up with all of the news all of the time... (Not to mention that those sites deserve more publicity, since our wiki really just doesn't cut it in many areas...)


 * Mayu Miyuki 18:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay I get you plus I found a lot of images of artes like Demon Fang and Prism Stars, but a lot of other wikis post the videos from youtube for insight information. Ah who cares I'll just post pictures.--Emil Castagnier 05:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If you really think videos are necessary, you can ask Imaginationac for his opinion on the use of videos. But you have to realize that each embedded video causes additional bandwidth to be spent when loading the page, since they are flash objects instead of static images. And of course, this is before someone even clicks the "play" button to stream the video contents.


 * Besides, who in their right mind would post 20 five-second videos of one attack in every game? Especially something as boring as Demon Fang... Comparison videos already exist for certain attacks like Indignation and Thunder Blade, but obviously they are missing certain games. One of those Indignation videos has a random Execution in it. The comparison video for Shishisenkou (Beast) has a random Senkoubappa in it. The comparison video for Hououtenku (Rising Phoenix) have Houou Tenshouku (Razing Phoenix) and Gurentenshou (untrans.) in it. Now if someone does take the time to do every comparison... new games are being released all the time. None of those comparison videos I mentioned have anything from Vesperia/DotNW/Hearts (notable games of 2008), or even Tempest/RadiMai/Innocence (notable games of 2007). If someone makes a video today, well guess what? RadiMai 2 is releasing in exactly 8 days (Japan time)! After that? The new Tales of "Ten" will be released in however many months! (Namco may be planning something else in between, and certainly some things after....)


 * How much work would it be to keep videos updated like that? How much work does it take to keep this wiki updated like that? We still aren't updated as much as we should be, and that's the whole reason why I gave up working on the individual artes pages in the first place - there are several hundreds of artes, and new ones appear all the time, and old ones are frequently reconditioned or modified, and then Hometek renames some of them in strange or absurd ways that can cause problems. Videos are just an extra hassle that no sane person wants to work on.


 * Mayu Miyuki 12:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Radiant Mythology 2 leaked already; artes lists available on a JP wiki now
I'm just making this information known here. The game has been leaked and distributed through 2ch, so some people have started to play this game and record its info. I'm not going to work on translating and converting these lists to be displayed on our wiki yet, since I don't have the time for it. But the information is already being uploaded on the Japanese wiki for this game, with lots of missing information (TP, levels, etc.) to be filled in as more people play the game.

These are just random links. All of the artes lists seem to be filled in for every possible class for the Descender and for every supporting Tales character (excluding Claire as expected). SPOILERS - Dhaos/Barbatos/Celsius seem to be enemies only, not playable (but obviously not fully tested), but the artes they use during battle are also listed on the wiki. And the Destiny 2 chars don't get to keep their extension system... ;_;

Radiant Mythology 2 @wiki Main Page Kenshi (Swordsman) Mahou Kenshi (Magic Swordsman) Soukenshi (Twinsword, aka. Dual Swordsman) Phantasia chars (Cless/Chester/Mint/Arche/Suzu) Rebirth chars (Beigu-chan/KUREAAA/Mao/Eugene/Annie) (and so on)

If anyone is willing to work on these lists for our wiki, please go ahead. I may do some of them this weekend if I can find the time for it, but I'm counting on others to help out if they are interested. (Yes, I'd work on this game and not the first RadiMai because I'm lazy! =P )

Mayu Miyuki 00:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I've completed all of the arte lists for the custom classes. After looking through all those pages on the JP wiki, it really does seem like a lot of the information has not been added yet - the five new classes don't have as many attacks as I think they should. (Paladin has like, 7 different artes total right now...) This means some of the original classes from the first game may not have the artes and spells they used to have after all, but we need to wait for others to fix up the JP wiki more before cleaning up our pages.

Now to deal with exactly 46 supporting Tales chars in this game.... fun stuff. As always, I'm willing to let someone else do the work for me~

Mayu Miyuki 19:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

This being the more important issue to me than the one below... It turns out that most of the arte lists that were based on classes from the first RadiMai were incorrect and assumed, and the classes really did receive more drastic changes. This includes the Hunter class's mystic arte being changed to Wild Geese, and the addition of two other master artes. Thanks to Lunar Eclipse of the Namco Tales Forums for pointing this out here.

I'll make the necessary changes this weekend based on this JP wiki's info. I hope this applies to only the classes that came from the first game, but it's always possible that the Tales chars from that game may have had changes too. Repeating the usual comments, anyone who wants to fix the lists themselves, please go ahead and help out if you can.

Mayu Miyuki 20:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Quick question! For RadiMai2's Mystic Artes, is it activated by arcane artes and advanced spells?  And for Tear's, can her Fonic Hymns activate her Mystic Artes as well?  I feel stupid for asking, but I need to double check.  ;_;  Lanate (talk) 19:40, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes to both. I forgot about that during all this copy/paste spamming, haha. I'll try to fix the ones I've already done later.


 * Mayu Miyuki 19:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Scratch what I said here. The MA's that are activated by advanced spells, for certain, are Divine Judgment, Sacred Shine, Sacred Blame/Penance, Indignate Judgment, Holy Judgment, Crazy Comet/Princess of Mermaid, Aqua Rimms, Innocent Shine, Mystic Cage, and Unchained Note. They don't activate through arcane artes. Everything else uses arcane artes only (even Shining Bind). It's either one or the other, and never both.


 * Tear's Innocent Shine still does activate using either advanced spells or fonic hymns.


 * Mayu Miyuki 22:24, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * ~edited 00:32, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The Tales of-templates
Since the templates are including the titles, skills and artes etc., are we supposed to cut off the "See also" sections for the characters, which shows the exact same thing? I just have to know before I begin doing that.

Penamesolen 18:18, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes. That's why I made the templates. =D


 * Mayu Miyuki 19:51, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, but, um, the ToS-characters' armor and weapons are missing. And even if they weren't, Kratos and Zelos uses the exact same armor/weapons, and the latters share some with Lloyd, right? I just want to know about that.

Penamesolen 20:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * For weapons and armor, I want to sort the pages the way Lanate made the Vesperia weapons pages - sorting by type (swords/dual blades/daggers/kendamas/etc.). Because multiple chars can use the same equipment, we can't sort them by character because that will cause repetition. Personally, I don't want to bother with converting the existing weapon/armor lists yet. If you or anyone else wants to do it, go ahead. But for now, you can add their weapon/armor lists as they exist now (sorted by char) on the templates if the pages exist.


 * All I really care about are the artes anyway (and I still need to finish many of those lists). Even beyond that, the title lists need to be converted to fit the current format that the arte lists have. Lots of other things to work on, so just save them for another time.


 * Mayu Miyuki 21:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I understand. I'll leave it to you guys then, I guess. I'm a klutz when it comes to make formats, anyway.

By the way, I've been wondering something: when things become a little more settled here (if that ever happens, lol), will there be made more templates, like for locations (like, an Auldrant-template shows all locations for Tales of the Abyss)?

Penamesolen 21:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * They'll be made if people actually take the time to make them. If people don't bother, then we won't have any. I don't expect much else, since most people pass by here to make one or two edits and then disappear forever. Just work on what you want to work on, and let others do the same (and help them out if they need it). Eventually things will work out.... somehow.


 * Mayu Miyuki 22:02, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

How about this:

see Template:ToS Locations

Penamesolen 13:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks a lot better than anything I could have made, so good job I guess. Just... don't leave it here on my talk page, it's already long enough as it is. And honestly, you and everyone else really shouldn't be asking me directly for permission to do things - just do it, and then ask for comments on those pages. I'll complain if I don't like it, or I'll ignore it if I don't care. The same as I've always done things here. =P (I'm not a mod or admin anyway, so what is my opinion really worth?)


 * I really need to get around to cleaning up my talk page sometime....


 * Mayu Miyuki 19:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

* Takes it off* I guess we ask you because you and Lanate are the ones who are making the most reliable edits? =/ I'm not really sure, but I'm always a little nervous to make changes like these, because I don't like causing too much trouble for people. But I'll go and make it (it'll be named "ToS Locations", I guess). So, as you said, please edit or comment on it if there are any wrongs with it.

Penamesolen 21:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As a minor pop in, I agree with Penamesolen's comment on how you seem to make the most reliable edits and me being a bit hesitant to put forth major projects. You're our elder here. :D *bows in respect* Lanate (talk) 06:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I appreciate the comments, but if we always ask for others to check over our work before we upload them, things will go slower than they should. Most of the time, everything is done well enough to not require discussion, so I don't need to be consulted about everything here. (It's kinda useless for me to say "good job" about every little thing - I have to worry about my own morale before supporting others' efforts. =P )


 * Don't be afraid to do your own things. This wiki can be edited freely, and any problems or mistakes can be modified easily if someone notices them. I'm always around to help if anyone needs me (so don't be afraid to ask for my help either!), but I can't be the one to solve every problem.


 * Mayu Miyuki 14:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't be afraid to do your own things.
 * So that means I can change that feature artilce from Raine Sage to something else then? Anyone ok with Undine or Indignation?


 * --Emil Castagnier 04:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I said this before, but I don't really care about the featured article thing. We don't have many articles that are so well-made that they can be displayed on the front page, and we certainly don't have enough to cycle through new ones each month. If it were up to me, we wouldn't have a featured article at all... but again, I don't really care. So yeah, change it to whatever you want.


 * Mayu Miyuki 11:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Addressing people
Please see the talk topic Addressing people on my talk page. Lanate (talk) 19:00, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Enemy arte lists
Something I've been thinking about for a while - how should we display these? Enemies also have access to artes, and some of them are exclusive to themselves within the game they are from, but they introduce new translated names for artes that have been used by Tales chars in the past. Examples of this include Alexei's Raging Ice Fang (Touga Shoureppa was used by Veigue), Magnar's Roaring Explosion (Kappa Bakusougeki was used by Loni and PS2 Mary), or even Sync's Reaper's Toll (Soudou Shouteiha/Twin Palm Strike was used by Farah). And then there's all the fun stuff Mimi Baker had, like Majinpan/Pansazame/etc. (DEMON BREAD! BREAD RAIN: ALPHA! EAT... BREAD!)

Some enemies have enough artes to provide them with the same variety that playable chars have, even linkable as if they were sorted into Base/Arcane ranks (which they are in some cases), so they may end up being split off into separate pages. Other generic enemies have one or two artes (things like Taunt or Run Away), but even important boss-type enemies like Kaiser Dist or Sword Dancer (Abyss version) have like 2~4 artes max. And even then, most sites don't have any info on their damage output statistics, and enemies don't use TP. Basically, I'm at a loss on how to sort everything consistently. I don't even know how we should plan to display the monster ally artes from DotNW...

Another option is to make a detailed strategy or event list page for each game, like most JP wiki groups are formatted already, showing every event and boss in order, displaying when all skits become accessible, and so on. I guess it would end up becoming like the guides you'd see on Gamefaqs though, so I'm not sure this is the best option for a wiki.

Whatever the case, I don't want to keep enemy arte info on the existing playable char pages. I'd rather move them to a different page so people don't get confused. Especially since the Flynn battle has an achievement that requires you to have him use every arte he has, when a good number of them aren't available during his short playable period. Same with Richter's mystic artes and extension, and Leon's Majin Senretsushou. They can't be used while they're playable so why should they stay on their playable arte lists.

I don't want to start on something like this right away. So here's a quick link dump for anyone who wants to work on these things.

TotA enemy artes ToV enemy artes ToS:DotNW enemy-exclusive artes

Mayu Miyuki 21:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * *rubs head* It's something that's been nagging at me as well. I honestly have no clue what to do also.  And here's another website with lists of artes, some of which are enemies' "Te" Section. Lanate (talk) 03:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

@ Lanate - I'm aware of that site, but it's such a clusterfuck of hyperlinks, a very badly formatted clusterfuck at that, that it's hard to navigate through. The game-specific wiki groups are more recognizably organized.

Mayu Miyuki 14:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

But what would the name be? If there should be TWO arte pages for Flynn's artes, one for his artes as playable and one for his artes as an enemy, then they can't have the same name, right?

Penamesolen 21:54, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know. I'm leaving it up to community input since I don't want to be the only one who has to think about this. I would prefer to have a single page for all enemy artes in each game, but obviously there are some enemies that have way too many artes. I really don't want to follow the "[game] - [char]: Artes" title format since the enemies never come with their own titles or passives or other modifiers, besides the generic stuff like Taunt or Damage Break or Overlimits.


 * Maybe "[game] - Enemy Artes ([char])"? Like "ToV - Enemy Artes (Flynn Scifo)" (or just "Flynn" if that's what it says in the magic lens), and "ToV - Enemy Artes (Traitor to Heaven)" for Kratos. I still prefer to make some sort of "strategy" page for each boss that lists all of their artes, HP contingencies, and other details on the same page... that's why I asked about this in the first place, I don't know what to do so someone else should decide for me.


 * Mayu Miyuki 22:26, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * If you want to have more than just the artes (maybe, in ToV, the information to how to unleash the secret quests), how about "[game] - Enemies ([char])?", whereas the char's name will be that of the Magic Lens. And maybe add in the real/full name as a redirect or something.


 * EDIT: Or it could be "[game] - Magic Lens ([char])", since we'll take consentration into the information the Magic Lens gives. I'm not sure.


 * Penamesolen 06:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Synopsises
I was wondering about writing down the synopsis for Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology. But just in case, if it's all right to make one, should it be named "TotW:RM - Synopsis"?

Penamesolen 13:00, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

If it's just a synopsis, it should go on the main RadiMai page in a "Synopsis" or "Story" section. We don't need a separate page for it. What I meant by having a page for listing events, I think this should be left as spoiler-free as possible, basically the way Kouli makes his guides for most games he works on. Where to go, which treasure chests/hidden items/recipies can be found in each area, which monsters/groups can be fought, what scenes trigger new skits or disable previous skits, specifics like that without revealing story info.

Mayu Miyuki 14:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I meant synopsis as in what you get in hte section "Library" in the game. There was something called Synopsis in ToS, too, right? It basically tells all the main events throughout the game, so I wondered if it should get its own page, or if it should be what tells the events in the locations, or if it should just be left alone. I just began wondering this after a while.

Penamesolen 14:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. If you're willing to transcribe the text from the Synopsis/Library/Diary entries in any of the games, then go ahead. That's a lot of text to copy from the game, but if you really want to do it, then more power to you. And yeah, the page would be named "TotW:RM - Synopsis". There should be a note at the top of the page saying that all of the text is directly ported from the localized game, just so people know it's not our wiki's own summary.

Mayu Miyuki 14:30, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

*headbang*
I was half-way through Vesperia's accessory page when my browser crashed on me and didn't give me a chance to recover. I'm giving up for now. Lanate (talk) 22:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Tales of VS. and Tales of Graces (NOT Gracia!) seems to be confirmed, but April Fools' is today
http://photo.gaforum.org/showimage.php?s=deaab1924deb981096b4ed61e887c9d9&i=21251 http://photo.gaforum.org/showimage.php?i=21250&c=

Screenshot of a magazine scan for Tales of VS. for the PSP, and Tales of Graces for the Wii. I'm not willing to believe this YET, considering how today is April Fools' day, and last year we had that shitstorm over Narikiri Dungeon "4", which also looked like a legitimate magazine scan that was released 3 days AFTER April Fools'. But supposing this is real... interesting. What a wonderful time for the official Tales forums to be offline due to what seems to be the same old server troubles here in NA.

Keep in mind that "Tales of Gracia" was never confirmed (good job Zolo), so this seems to imply that "Graces" is the correct name. But again, remember that these scans can still be fake.

The first image also shows something about a PS3 Vesperia. Not sure if I want.

These scans were linked to us courtesy of LJkAze and Zappa of the Phantasian Productions forums.

Mayu Miyuki 16:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

ToDR Artes
I have a question about the Artes pages for ToDR, particularly the romanizations for several of the sections. I just need some clarification on these kanji, since all my Japanese knowledge comes from dictionaries. Lanate (talk) 18:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 剣技 (Kenjutsu): That last kanji (技), I can't find any instance of it being jutsu; I thought it was gi, like when you put 術剣技 as Jutsukengi.
 * 変化術技 (Henka Tokugi): This kanji (術) is jutsu, isn't it? I don't know where that'd by turned into toku.  I thought it was established that 特技 is tokugi.
 * 昇華剣技 (Shouha Kenjutsu): Aside from the same problem with Kenjutsu up there, a google search of 昇華 with Shouha ends up with this wiki and an FAQ as the first instances of it. Shouka on the other hand gets many more, including several dictionary websites.


 * Bleh, you're absolutely right. I have no excuses.


 * 剣技 - Kengi
 * 変化術技 - Henka Jutsugi
 * 昇華剣技 - Shouka Kengi


 * Please fix them for me?


 * Machi-Machi Slowpoke 18:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

My computer isn't supporting kanji right now, so... does that mean that Veigue's "Henka Tokugi" is supposed to be "Henka Jutsugi", as well?

Penamesolen 10:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * 特技 - Tokugi
 * 変化特技 - Henka Tokugi


 * ...so no.


 * By the way, has anyone found out what the elemental changes are called in Symphonia JP yet? For all intents and purposes, I've been calling them "altered artes" for a while now, and I just want the satisfaction of knowing it's an accurate term.


 * Mayu Miyuki (talk) 12:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)