User talk:Lanate

Tales of the World: Reve Unitia Arte Pages
So I found a Japanese Wiki which lists TotW:TU's character artes and made base for the arte list for Cress: link I'd like your input on it since we should get arte lists for that game at some point.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:36, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Just pointing out that Lanate is on vacation and will not be back until the end of the month.

Arosia (talk) 02:44, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, didn't know that. Thanks for mentioning that. Maybe you have something you'd like to say about the WIP arte page, Arosia?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:09, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

That's Lanate's jurisdiction, so I'm fine with whatever input he has or decisions he makes in that regard.

Arosia (talk) 03:08, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it looks fine, but I'd move the AP Cost to the outside. When we design column-type pages, we typically put information related to requirements (costs, level) at the outer edge of the table. I think ToP SFC - Cress Albane: Artes has the closest column sorting to this. Lanate (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * All right I made the suggested change: link is this fine? If so, I'll gradually add arte lists for TotW:RU.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 00:06, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that's fine, though I believe that Reve Unitia should share a template with Tactics Union. Lanate (talk) 03:55, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Arte categories
When you get back, I'd like your help in outlining what constitutes an arte being categorized in a particular arte category. Some can be vague, and I want all users to clearly be able to understand how they should categorize arte pages. This will also be useful for when we need to reference such criteria easily, either for other users or our own benefit (me, mainly).

Arosia (talk) 19:54, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Back, but kind of groggy. Basically we have a bunch of defined categories listed on Aselia:Arte Category Order, and if an arte can fit in them, then we add them. We don't include a category if it fits within a subcategory, but it can fit into as many subcategories as necessary. We also tend to lump together if they're very close to each other in all but name.


 * Hm, I'd argue that the Seraphic Artes category is more equivalent to the spells category than a subset, and its offensive and healing versions are actually clearly delineated within the game (they have different casting markers). You could argue the same with Force magic artes:
 * Force Sorcery would be Offensive
 * Force Ritual would be Support
 * Fusionic Force Sorcery would be both Offensive and Arcane
 * Fusionic Force Climate would be both Support and Arcane


 * Lanate (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. You can feel free to change that list based on what you think is best. I trust your reasoning when it comes to artes. We should have everything clearly defined so that it's easier for me and other users to categorize arte pages appropriately.

Arosia (talk) 04:57, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Edit monitoring
Out of curiosity, were there any edits between last night's activity and your activity this morning? Even loading the past 500 edits doesn't show me lol.

Arosia (talk) 18:29, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * This, this, and the creation of User:Crystal Tear/History of Tales: Part 2 - Pop Goes Tales. Thankfully, I can hide my own edits. Lanate (talk) 18:31, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Lol okay, thanks. Sorry to bother.

Arosia (talk) 18:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Trying to avoid creating too many conversations on your talk page. I'm done. Are you going to do the ToD2 arte list pages, or do you want me to do them?

Arosia (talk) 06:07, December 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Lol, you caught me pretty much when I quit for the night. You can go ahead with them if you want. Lanate (talk) 02:14, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'll do them. Lanate (talk) 02:22, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

So
I'm really impressed with the amount of work that has been done between the two of us recently, and I'm really liking how good the wiki is looking. Thanks for all the work you've done with the templates and arte list pages.

Arosia (talk) 04:48, December 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * And thanks to you too for the work on the images, templates, new arte pages, and general maintenance. Lanate (talk) 05:49, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Question. Do you know who this is official artwork of? I was thinking maybe Leianna, but I find it strange that she would have artwork and others like Fayte and Ilene wouldn't.

Arosia (talk) 01:30, December 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * No clue. I can confirm it's from a Mutsumi Inomata Tales of Destiny page though. Lanate (talk)

It has to be Leianna lol. There's no one else! ...but in all seriousness, the hair color matches, and she's like royalty or something, if I remember correctly. I dunno. I'm currently playing through the game again.

Arosia (talk) 03:19, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Possibly taken from this.

Arosia (talk) 03:24, December 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * It is from it. If you reverse image search it on google, it'll show the full page, except with zero context past the fact that she's from Tales of Destiny. Lanate (talk) 03:25, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I found the page. This and this are the only decent views I can get of her. Oh well.

Arosia (talk) 03:44, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

I thought we only created romanized redirects for artes that are unlocalized in some games, meaning they can be found listed on tables under their romanized names instead of localized names. I'm still learning about arte pages, but yeah, that's why I didn't create redirects for those two—they only appear in ToV. I've probably overlooked that on a few other occasions as well.

Also, do you have any other favorite characters in the series besides Jude (I'm assuming)? I wanted to update the Staff page.

Arosia (talk) 04:16, December 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's more future-proofing than anything else. If a future title uses it, it's a good way to catch it, and there's no real harm there. More just-in-case than anything else.


 * And for favorite characters, I'm just going to toss Sorey, Ludger, Guy, and Cress out there. Lanate (talk) 08:16, December 13, 2015 (UTC)

Untitled
Hello. Can you give me some tips on how to get my Ladle page to look like the other item pages? I'm not very tech-savvy and I thought that with your message that you left me that you could help. And thank you for your offer by the way.

Librat13 (talk) 05:54, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

First of all, that message on your wall from Lanate is auto-generated. He didn't actually post it himself. Second, you shouldn't have created that page if you didn't know how to properly because that leaves the job of formatting it correctly to someone else. If Lanate doesn't fix it for you, I will delete it.

Arosia (talk) 06:39, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * The general idea is to look at another page and just copy its formatting. Lanate (talk) 07:00, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Arte categories
Arte categories tend to be basic enough; as general rule, most categories except top-level categories are explicit categorizations rather than descriptive; some of the magic arte categories once were explicit as well but moved toward descriptive (and I'm still kind of iffy on that).
 * Category:Artes: General arte category. No individual arte should go here; there hasn't been a case where it hasn't been possible to classify something as either strike or magic.
 * Category:Physical Artes‎: Self-explanatory. Anything in here is a strike arte that hasn't been classified deeper.
 * Category:Standard Combo Artes: Contains the Base, Master, and Arcane arte categories; isn't used on it its own.
 * Category:Base Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Tokugi (特技), as well as Hissatsuwaza (必殺技) from Phantasia and Bushinwaza (武身技) from Xillia and Xillia 2.
 * Category:Master Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Higi (秘技), as well as Hissatsuwaza (必殺技) from Tempest
 * Category:Arcane Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Ougi (奥義)
 * Category:Elemental Physical Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as such in a game that includes the category; Jutsukengi (術剣技) and Jutsukyuugi (術弓技) in Destiny PS2 and Shinengi (思念技) in Hearts.
 * Category:Martial Combo Artes: Contains the martial combo artes as used by Farah and Regal.
 * Category:Ground Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Chijougi (地上技)
 * Category:Anti-Air Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Taikuugi (対空技)
 * Category:Midair Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Kuuchuugi (空中技)
 * Category:Special Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Tokushuwaza (特殊技). Is probably going to be moved up one based on Eternia Online and Narikiri Dungeon X.
 * Category:Power Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Kyoudawaza (強打技)
 * Category:Throws: Any strike arte that is derived from the throws in Legendia. Should really be moved up one.
 * Category:Spells: ‎Self-explanatory. Anything in here is a magic arte that hasn't been classified deeper.
 * Category:Novice Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as either Kakyuujutsu (下級術) or Shokyuujutsu (初級術)
 * Category:Intermediate Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as Chuukyuujutsu (中級術)
 * Category:Advanced Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as Joukyuujutsu (上級術)
 * Category:Arcane Magic Artes: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed Ougi (奥義); Xillia and Xillia 2 so far, but Fusionic Force Climate and Fusionic Force Sorcery can fit in here as well.
 * Category:Offensive Spells: Any magic arte with attacking properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Kougekijutsu (攻撃術) or in-game equivalent; Force Sorcery and Fusionic Force Sorcery seem to belong in here
 * Category:Healing Spells: Any magic arte with healing (curative) properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Chiyujutsu (治癒術), Kaifukujutsu (回復術), Kaifukugi (回復技), or in-game equivalent
 * Category:Support Spells: Any magic arte with support (not curative) properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Hojojutsu (補助術) or in-game equivalent
 * Category:Seal Spells: Any magic arte classed as Fujutsu (符術)
 * Category:Formation Artes: Any magic arte classed as Jinjutsu (陣術); originally Force Ritual and Fusionic Force Climate, but Radiant Mythology 3 introduced its own
 * Category:Mystic Artes: Any arte that has been classed a Hi Ougi (秘奥義) or its in-game equivalent like Blast Caliber.
 * Category:Summons: Any arte that summons another create; originally meant for the Spirits but expanded to Jiraiya and Blue Dragon
 * Category:Unique Arte Types: Anything arte class that doesn't fit above


 * Lanate (talk) 03:28, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.

Arosia (talk) 18:45, December 24, 2015 (UTC)