User talk:Lanate

Tales of the World: Reve Unitia Arte Pages
So I found a Japanese Wiki which lists TotW:TU's character artes and made base for the arte list for Cress: link I'd like your input on it since we should get arte lists for that game at some point.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:36, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Just pointing out that Lanate is on vacation and will not be back until the end of the month.

Arosia (talk) 02:44, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, didn't know that. Thanks for mentioning that. Maybe you have something you'd like to say about the WIP arte page, Arosia?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:09, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

That's Lanate's jurisdiction, so I'm fine with whatever input he has or decisions he makes in that regard.

Arosia (talk) 03:08, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it looks fine, but I'd move the AP Cost to the outside. When we design column-type pages, we typically put information related to requirements (costs, level) at the outer edge of the table. I think ToP SFC - Cress Albane: Artes has the closest column sorting to this. Lanate (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * All right I made the suggested change: link is this fine? If so, I'll gradually add arte lists for TotW:RU.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 00:06, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that's fine, though I believe that Reve Unitia should share a template with Tactics Union. Lanate (talk) 03:55, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Arte categories
When you get back, I'd like your help in outlining what constitutes an arte being categorized in a particular arte category. Some can be vague, and I want all users to clearly be able to understand how they should categorize arte pages. This will also be useful for when we need to reference such criteria easily, either for other users or our own benefit (me, mainly).

Arosia (talk) 19:54, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Back, but kind of groggy. Basically we have a bunch of defined categories listed on Aselia:Arte Category Order, and if an arte can fit in them, then we add them. We don't include a category if it fits within a subcategory, but it can fit into as many subcategories as necessary. We also tend to lump together if they're very close to each other in all but name.


 * Hm, I'd argue that the Seraphic Artes category is more equivalent to the spells category than a subset, and its offensive and healing versions are actually clearly delineated within the game (they have different casting markers). You could argue the same with Force magic artes:
 * Force Sorcery would be Offensive
 * Force Ritual would be Support
 * Fusionic Force Sorcery would be both Offensive and Arcane
 * Fusionic Force Climate would be both Support and Arcane


 * Lanate (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. You can feel free to change that list based on what you think is best. I trust your reasoning when it comes to artes. We should have everything clearly defined so that it's easier for me and other users to categorize arte pages appropriately.

Arosia (talk) 04:57, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Edit monitoring
Out of curiosity, were there any edits between last night's activity and your activity this morning? Even loading the past 500 edits doesn't show me lol.

Arosia (talk) 18:29, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * This, this, and the creation of User:Crystal Tear/History of Tales: Part 2 - Pop Goes Tales. Thankfully, I can hide my own edits. Lanate (talk) 18:31, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Lol okay, thanks. Sorry to bother.

Arosia (talk) 18:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Trying to avoid creating too many conversations on your talk page. I'm done. Are you going to do the ToD2 arte list pages, or do you want me to do them?

Arosia (talk) 06:07, December 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Lol, you caught me pretty much when I quit for the night. You can go ahead with them if you want. Lanate (talk) 02:14, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'll do them. Lanate (talk) 02:22, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

So
I'm really impressed with the amount of work that has been done between the two of us recently, and I'm really liking how good the wiki is looking. Thanks for all the work you've done with the templates and arte list pages.

Arosia (talk) 04:48, December 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * And thanks to you too for the work on the images, templates, new arte pages, and general maintenance. Lanate (talk) 05:49, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Question. Do you know who this is official artwork of? I was thinking maybe Leianna, but I find it strange that she would have artwork and others like Fayte and Ilene wouldn't.

Arosia (talk) 01:30, December 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * No clue. I can confirm it's from a Mutsumi Inomata Tales of Destiny page though. Lanate (talk)

It has to be Leianna lol. There's no one else! ...but in all seriousness, the hair color matches, and she's like royalty or something, if I remember correctly. I dunno. I'm currently playing through the game again.

Arosia (talk) 03:19, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Possibly taken from this.

Arosia (talk) 03:24, December 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * It is from it. If you reverse image search it on google, it'll show the full page, except with zero context past the fact that she's from Tales of Destiny. Lanate (talk) 03:25, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I found the page. This and this are the only decent views I can get of her. Oh well.

Arosia (talk) 03:44, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

I thought we only created romanized redirects for artes that are unlocalized in some games, meaning they can be found listed on tables under their romanized names instead of localized names. I'm still learning about arte pages, but yeah, that's why I didn't create redirects for those two—they only appear in ToV. I've probably overlooked that on a few other occasions as well.

Also, do you have any other favorite characters in the series besides Jude (I'm assuming)? I wanted to update the Staff page.

Arosia (talk) 04:16, December 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's more future-proofing than anything else. If a future title uses it, it's a good way to catch it, and there's no real harm there. More just-in-case than anything else.


 * And for favorite characters, I'm just going to toss Sorey, Ludger, Guy, and Cress out there. Lanate (talk) 08:16, December 13, 2015 (UTC)

Untitled
Hello. Can you give me some tips on how to get my Ladle page to look like the other item pages? I'm not very tech-savvy and I thought that with your message that you left me that you could help. And thank you for your offer by the way.

Librat13 (talk) 05:54, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

First of all, that message on your wall from Lanate is auto-generated. He didn't actually post it himself. Second, you shouldn't have created that page if you didn't know how to properly because that leaves the job of formatting it correctly to someone else. If Lanate doesn't fix it for you, I will delete it.

Arosia (talk) 06:39, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * The general idea is to look at another page and just copy its formatting. Lanate (talk) 07:00, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Arte categories
Arte categories tend to be basic enough; as general rule, most categories except top-level categories are explicit categorizations rather than descriptive; some of the magic arte categories once were explicit as well but moved toward descriptive (and I'm still kind of iffy on that).
 * Category:Artes: General arte category. No individual arte should go here; there hasn't been a case where it hasn't been possible to classify something as either strike or magic.
 * Category:Physical Artes‎: Self-explanatory. Anything in here is a strike arte that hasn't been classified deeper.
 * Category:Standard Combo Artes: Contains the Base, Master, and Arcane arte categories; isn't used on it its own.
 * Category:Base Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Tokugi (特技), as well as Hissatsuwaza (必殺技) from Phantasia and Bushinwaza (武身技) from Xillia and Xillia 2.
 * Category:Master Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Higi (秘技), as well as Hissatsuwaza (必殺技) from Tempest
 * Category:Arcane Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Ougi (奥義)
 * Category:Elemental Physical Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as such in a game that includes the category; Jutsukengi (術剣技) and Jutsukyuugi (術弓技) in Destiny PS2 and Shinengi (思念技) in Hearts.
 * Category:Martial Combo Artes: Contains the martial combo artes as used by Farah and Regal.
 * Category:Ground Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Chijougi (地上技)
 * Category:Anti-Air Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Taikuugi (対空技)
 * Category:Midair Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Kuuchuugi (空中技)
 * Category:Special Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Tokushuwaza (特殊技). Is probably going to be moved up one based on Eternia Online and Narikiri Dungeon X.
 * Category:Power Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Kyoudawaza (強打技)
 * Category:Throws: Any strike arte that is derived from the throws in Legendia. Should really be moved up one.
 * Category:Spells: ‎Self-explanatory. Anything in here is a magic arte that hasn't been classified deeper.
 * Category:Novice Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as either Kakyuujutsu (下級術) or Shokyuujutsu (初級術)
 * Category:Intermediate Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as Chuukyuujutsu (中級術)
 * Category:Advanced Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as Joukyuujutsu (上級術)
 * Category:Arcane Magic Artes: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed Ougi (奥義); Xillia and Xillia 2 so far, but Fusionic Force Climate and Fusionic Force Sorcery can fit in here as well.
 * Category:Offensive Spells: Any magic arte with attacking properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Kougekijutsu (攻撃術) or in-game equivalent; Force Sorcery and Fusionic Force Sorcery seem to belong in here
 * Category:Healing Spells: Any magic arte with healing (curative) properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Chiyujutsu (治癒術), Kaifukujutsu (回復術), Kaifukugi (回復技), or in-game equivalent
 * Category:Support Spells: Any magic arte with support (not curative) properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Hojojutsu (補助術) or in-game equivalent
 * Category:Seal Spells: Any magic arte classed as Fujutsu (符術)
 * Category:Formation Artes: Any magic arte classed as Jinjutsu (陣術); originally Force Ritual and Fusionic Force Climate, but Radiant Mythology 3 introduced its own
 * Category:Mystic Artes: Any arte that has been classed a Hi Ougi (秘奥義) or its in-game equivalent like Blast Caliber.
 * Category:Summons: Any arte that summons another create; originally meant for the Spirits but expanded to Jiraiya and Blue Dragon
 * Category:Unique Arte Types: Anything arte class that doesn't fit above


 * Lanate (talk) 03:28, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.

Arosia (talk) 18:45, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

PSX
Hello~

I admit I have fixed the entry on Suzu-chan page a bit in rush (Suzu Fujibayashi). I have later noticed that the error of "PSX" writing is global. Since probably I don't have enough edit power to do it, I would like to leave the note here. PSX is NOT PlayStation ("1"), it's an exclusive PS2 edition with DVD player bundled in one big freaking box. I'm not sure who was silly enough to start that bad trend of calling PlayStation per PSX but it's wrong. The most correct name for first Sony (actually half Sony) console is just "PlayStation" not even PS1 or worse PSOne, just PlayStation. If someone doesn't believe it, here goes: [image file removed]. There is nice big "PSX" on top and... "PlayStation 2" on bottom left, oh and a remote gratis. I hope that solves whole confusion about PS and PSX.

Best regards and have a nice day~

ISubaru (talk) 03:39, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * We had a discussion on Talk:Suzu Fujibayashi. Thank you for your contribution, but the original PlayStation was abbreviated as the PSX in the English community for long enough that it's still in use at the moment. Additionally, the PlayStation X console does not have native games, so there's no confusion on that end. We acknowledge its existence but will continue to use PSX as the acronym for the original PlayStation. Lanate (talk) 04:23, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Please write in paragraphs. Removing broken file link.

Arosia (talk) 04:46, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * I know you've been editing historical comments, but refactoring someone's current talk page comments is a little too controlling, I feel. At least on my own talk page, I'd rather leave them unedited from the writer's styling. Lanate (talk) 04:57, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

No, I really haven't. I've been structuring them into a titled format to distinguish differing conversations. I rarely adjust a person's comment, but if I do, it's either for readability or aesthetic purposes. I won't mess with it on your talk page anymore, but I will continue to do so elsewhere if I deem it necessary.

Arosia (talk) 05:03, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Also, going to make a point that broken file links should always be removed to avoid clogging the Wanted Files inventory, which I recently purged. I can blame Winxfan for the first two on that list.

Arosia (talk) 05:06, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * It just comes down to what we consider acceptable in terms of this, and we have different standards, that's all. I prefer leaving things as unedited as possible, and broken files, I'd rather wrap in nowiki tags, but I'm only going to apply that to my talk pages. Lanate (talk) 05:15, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Background
Lanate, you're better at computers than I am. I cannot for the life of me reduce the KB of this image, no matter what I try. I drastically reduced the pixel dimensions, obviously, but it didn't affect the KB. Compressing and saving it as a JPEG didn't work, either. There has to be a way to apply this image to the background and have it cover everything at the "fix" setting.

Arosia (talk) 00:27, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Improvised with this. I think it looks pretty.

Arosia (talk) 00:38, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

One more thing. Is there a search and replace function that you can use through Wikia?

Arosia (talk) 03:02, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I use AutoWikiBrowser. Can we tie functions to CSS as opposed to item so future color changes don't need to repeat this? Lanate (talk) 04:31, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean?

Arosia (talk) 04:36, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * Something like ToP SFC - Trade Items, where we tie table colors to CSS classes in MediaWiki:Common.css as opposed to our current hard-coding. Lanate (talk) 04:46, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I would have to learn how to do it...

Arosia (talk) 04:51, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * Gimme a day or two of experimenting? I think I can centralize something... Lanate (talk) 04:52, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

So revert what I've already done, or just don't do anymore, or what?

Arosia (talk) 04:55, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't do anymore? If the color ever changes again, it'll be another exercise in frustration as you're about to undergo. Lanate (talk) 04:59, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. The colors on this page are what I want, so I hope you're okay with them. The pastel shades compliment the new background and theme well.

Arosia (talk) 05:11, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I generally prefer a darker background, as you can tell by the original colors, but not enough to object. Lanate (talk) 05:14, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * How do these pages look?
 * ToP SFC - Cress Albane: Artes‎
 * ToS - Lloyd Irving: EX Skills‎
 * ToP SFC - Cress Albane: Titles‎
 * ToP SFC - Weapons (Swords)‎
 * ToP SFC - Trade Items‎‎
 * ToP iOS - In-App Purchases‎
 * I think they're all right on both Monobook and Wikia. Lanate (talk) 07:12, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, this is what I wanted. So what am I going to have to do now?

Arosia (talk) 07:16, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll do it since there's some quirks involved. But AutoWikiBrowser is still good for mass, repetitive edits. Lanate (talk) 07:32, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I wish I could help because I feel like it's going to be a long process. I'll look into the AutoWikiBrowser tomorrow. Goodnight.

Arosia (talk) 08:00, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Wow. Did you even sleep last night? I hate to ask, but were there any edits from other users during your sweep? Also, is that all of the arte pages done?

Arosia (talk) 19:49, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * No edits that I saw, and it's all arte and passive skill pages. Lanate (talk) 04:12, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

I'm wanting to do something on our main page similar to the Final Fantasy Wiki's main page, with the portaled buttons that redirect to different categories. I've noticed a lot of wikis have begun implementing it, but I'm not sure where to begin.

Arosia (talk) 01:30, January 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't either, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 02:21, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Hm. I think it's configured through their CSS.

Arosia (talk) 02:39, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

ToP SFC icon images
I've uploaded them all, and I honestly would add them to the tables myself because I don't find it hard or that tedious, but the translations vary too much. I can't distinguish what is what, but I like to have the file names mirror their original source. I really am willing to do it, but do you know which ones differ, as in from our list compared to theirs? They alphabetize them, so I can't go based on stats.

Arosia (talk) 01:52, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean? You should be able to match image to item by either stat or effect. Lanate (talk) 03:10, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I think some of our translations are wrong.

Arosia (talk) 04:00, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * Compared to what? Lanate (talk) 04:07, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Them. Who else?

Arosia (talk) 04:08, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * I mean, that site is based off of the DeJap patch, but the list pages use the Japanese names as all unlocalized list pages do. Those pages don't and will never use fan translations as official names. Lanate (talk) 04:11, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Hey
I change my mind a lot, as you may have noticed. I've removed the animation images from all pages and sorted them into galleries that function identically to their category pages, but ultimately, I want them off the wiki. They're unnecessary and do nothing but take up space. I just wanted to give you a heads up in the event that you want to save or store them somewhere because I will be deleting them all tonight.

Arosia (talk) 03:43, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * Honestly? I don't see the point of removing them. All it does is create more work than just leaving them alone in a gallery page where they're doing no harm. Lanate (talk) 03:51, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I wasn't really posting it for discussion. I'll be deleting them under "Author's request".

Arosia (talk) 04:32, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

This and this.

Arosia (talk) 03:54, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Also, are you cool with all the recent changes? I finished what I wanted to, so now I'm back to just adding/creating instead of mass cleaning.

Arosia (talk) 00:57, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see a better way of listing the characters in the crossover game, and considering that they're one of the central points, I like them as they are.


 * I'll work on readding Nova's information if I have time.


 * Also, what happened to all the useful sprite images, like Shizel's and Dhaos's different forms? I don't agree in deleting pictures that can be used to show the different appearances of characters, if in character galleries if nothing else. Without them, we actually have less information on the characters. Lanate (talk) 04:49, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I want to keep them of course, but don't you think a table or something would be better? As for the sprites, eh... I was reformatting a lot and purging what I didn't use. I believe those were deleted because I had replaced them with the enemies icon uploads or something? I'm not sure. I assumed they were duplicated. Are you positive the sprites aren't on the wiki anymore? I can add the newer ones to the appropriate pages.

Arosia (talk) 05:02, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Past Shizel (ToE - PSX).png
 * ToP iOS Valkyrie.jpg
 * ToP iOS Feather Dhaos.jpeg
 * ToP GBA - Plume Dhaos.png
 * ToP GBA - Phaser Dhaos.png
 * ToP iOS Mars's Death.jpg
 * ToP iOS Cust.jpeg
 * These files are at the bare minimum show either character sprites or impactful events for the character, or even showing what Cust looks like on Thor's page. It's just... I disagree with your tendency to go back and forth on images and then delete things just because you don't like them at the moment. You just make more work on yourself. I'm also of the opinion that an image very rarely harms the wiki unless they're of poor quality, especially when they actually depict relevant things. Lanate (talk) 03:23, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'll restore them and plug them back into the pages they were removed from. I change my mind a lot and have super OCD, but I'm trying to tone it down.

Arosia (talk) 03:33, January 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I hope you didn't mind me cross-categorizing the enemy sprites into character categories. Lanate (talk) 03:57, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

No, that's fine. I meant to do it myself back when I uploaded them but forgot. There's probably more duplicates that need to be deleted and replaced, like with the Valkyrie one you just did, but I can get to that whenever.

Arosia (talk) 04:01, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

"New user"
"I'm the first to admit that I'm not neutral in this, but there's something concerning the new user that I've found has held true over the years that I feel you should be aware of: here. I take a very hands off approach to this user because any good of their contributions tends to be colored by my perception. Lanate (talk) 02:55, March 4, 2016 (UTC)":

First you had a problem with me on the Digimon wiki and now here. I admit I made mistakes on the Digimon wiki but I did try to correct them to the best of my ability. What have I done here that aggravates you?

Jdogno7 (talk) 03:08, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, that's about enough. That link was all I needed. You'll stop there or receive a ban on yet another wiki.

Arosia (talk) 03:27, March 4, 2016 (UTC)