User talk:Mayu Miyuki/Archive 7

Deprecated HTML script in MediaWiki 1.19
This is mostly applicable to list-type resource pages, but it should be kept in mind regardless for those who don't work with these pages anyway. I just received a notice from Wikia Central concerning an upgrade to the latest MediaWiki software version, which is coded based on HTML5 compliance. This means that many aspects of the wikiscript will now have to be written in CSS rather than in HTML, as some tags are now deprecated and will not function. Among these is the  attribute used as a table parameter, the   tag in general, the   attribute, among others listed here. Basically, anything that uses these elements will have to be changed to use the  tag so that CSS code can be applied.

Concerning the  attribute, the upgraded MediaWiki software will automatically render any instances of this code as   when a given page is loading. But the change should still be made manually because it is a deprecated aspect of HTML coding which should be removed. Furthermore, this code will only apply when the text-align is focused on a single cell, and not for a whole table. I do not know if it applies to a whole row of content, which is our usual use of the attribute.

I do not know when the upgrade will occur, but once it does, we may see some of our table-based content become malformatted in some way, hopefully limited to the alignment of text within each cell. But I cannot guarantee that this will be the only problem. So, if anyone plans to dabble with the list-type pages, make sure to make appropriate changes to the code; it would require -another- total sweep of each of these pages for no change in visual output, at least not yet, but it is better to deal with this somewhat early since we have this early warning.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:10, July 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I need to bump this message for the sake of awareness. I'm not sure how many of you have noticed, but Wikia has made some changes to the way Javascript loads when opening a page. This affects the collapsing function of the Recent Changes log, which aggravates me a lot, and it also causes sorting problems on pages with sortable functionality when the column headers involve colspans. I don't think anything else has been affected yet, but I also need to point out another old change in which the curved corners of several of our templates no longer appear due to the apparent removal of certain attributes like those prefixed with "-moz-". Basically, much of the code on our templates and list-type resource pages needs to be cleaned up to accomodate whatever changes are being made... and at the same time, fixed widths should also be implemented on tables which do not already have this done, to make pages more viewable on the "new look" skin. I will look into some pages soon so that I can provide an example of what needs to be fixed and how, but I truly wish there is some sort of bot which would automate these kinds of tasks.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:55, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * And Wikia decides to change something tangential that ends up bothering me a lot. Redirects will no longer show up as links at the top of a redirected page. Rather, it will go directly to that page name itself, making it very difficult to alter redirects in the future. The only workaround I have been able to discover is to write the redirect page URL into the address bar of one's browser in order to view the redirect directly and then edit it as needed. As minor of a change as this is, of course few people would notice or care, but then I am one of the few people indeed, and Wikia keeps ruining every single thing, starting with the gallery system and eventually the default skin of every wiki, and the actual site admins have no say in the matter, even if we -do- say, LOUDLY so, whenever plans for new changes pop up. In fact, our say was removed when Wikia changed the Terms of Service with the express intent of removing so many admin rights like access to the wiki's internal CSS files. Anyway, I actually forgot about this previous thing with deprecated HTML code, so I will consider how to integrate CSS styles into the page I created last night, just to provide an example for those who would work on such pages.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:34, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that this only affects the search function, based on their own changes to the wiki search capabilities. When I click on internal wiki links, I get the link at the top. Still annoying though. Lanate (talk) 03:11, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Byrocks
Weird they would come up with a gemstone nomenclature for everyone except him. I guess it's no weirder than calling a bird monster Moon Rocks. Letdragon 00:51, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Why wouldn't he be named after a rock? Shing's "gemstone" is a meteorite, while his first name derives from "shingu" which means "heart tool" according to the developers' blog. This is Japan, nothing really has to make sense or be perfectly consistent, as much as I dislike inconsistencies. The Phantasiaverse is rife with it.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:26, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * All I could come up with was rock hole and his last name Burrows made me think of burrowing in a hole, so I thought that would fit the mineral theme for him. I wish I had proof this was accurate because to me it sounds plausible. Letdragon 01:32, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Edits
Excuse me. I was trying to help out in creating some missing pages and I got scolded by MovieBaby because of ill mistakes I made. Is there something wrong with what I am doing? (BurningFlameHaze)

Yes, there were things you were doing wrong, and you would've been "scolded" worse had Mayu caught these edits first. Again, refer to the Manual of Style. You didn't link a single thing in those articles. Also, separate sections when commenting on user talk pages so they don't all clutter together, and sign by typing four tildes. Moviebaby 05:00, July 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, I likely would have just deleted the pages and then call it a day. I haven't been devoting much time to lurking on this wiki lately, and it's bad enough that one of the most notoriously grammar-deficient users is becoming -more- active during this same time I have to cut back on my activity here. In regards to "something wrong", always defer to the MoS and style/format your writing accordingly. Any new pages that do not exist should stay as red links unless someone is able to write enough content to warrant a new page. If this is not possible, then focus on the existing pages and flesh -them- out instead of giving us more pages that are in need of expansion. If anything, someone needs to go to every single edit JuanMa made in the past month and rewrite all of it (ie: how can a statement slap Zelos?); we don't need another user to edit-stalk for other assorted problems.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:44, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, I will no longer be making anymore edits. My grammar and organization skills are imperfect so I will leave the site. I'm sorry. ~BurningFlameHaze

Casey/Canary
All right, chill, chill. There's no need to get mad. It just doesn't seem right to me that you only mention her English edited name, when her original Japanese name, Canary, has metaphorical value to Raven.

In my opinion, it's good to have even a little bit of information. I didn't know who Casey/Canary was or what she looked like because there was a red link here, so I went looking on the Japanese Wikipedia and then Amazon. Even if you or the staff do not have time, contributors are free to help you. I understand there are malicious contributors, and you catch them (trust me, I run a Wiki too), but a little information can be changed into a lot within not too much time if you give it a chance. But that's my opinion.

But whatever. I'll go back to playing Xillia for a second round.

Mewpudding101 (talk) 21:35, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

First of all, please separate sections when commenting so they don't all clutter together. She's not mad, and neither am I. There is just a certain, proper way we do things on this wiki in order to maintain it. As for her name, we always use the Romanized translation on this wiki if one exists. Japanese characters/katana and names are usually listed in parenthesis, one of the few instances where parentheticals are allowed. The issue with single-paragraph articles is that it adds to the impressive list of articles in need of expansion. It's better left as a red link unless someone can properly flesh the article out, leaving little to no work for us. Not to mention, there is information about Casey, and even an image of her, on existing articles (Raven and Great War I believe). Moviebaby (talk) 22:50, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry >W<
I am really sorry about posting those copyrighted pictures, and thank you for deleting them. I am new to this wikia stuff and I didn't know what I was doing ^^'. So again, I am very sorry.--~ ♥Rose♥ (talk) 16:28, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Partnership?
H! I am currently the sole admin/bureaucrat for the Eternal Sonata Wiki and I was wondering if you might be interested in partnering with my wiki. I'm afraid I've never played the Tales series, though after playing Eternal Sonata, it's definitely on my radar. Eternal Sonata and the Tales series are both by Bandai Namco Games, so I think there would be a fair few contributors who would be interested in both. If this sounds good to you, just let me know, and we can go ahead and get it set up. ProfessorTofty (talk) 03:40, August 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. I have never played Trusty Bell myself, but I have heard of good things, and its watercolor/pastel environments can be said to have inspired the artwork direction for Tales of Vesperia. Some further (contrived) connections can be formed by the fact that the creators of the game, tri-Crescendo, are derived from a group that split from tri-Ace, among whom include the original people who worked as part of Wolfteam in creating Tales of Phantasia, although this particular history is not a positive one on Namco's part.


 * I see that you have already added Aselia under the "Other Gaming Wikis" thing at the bottom of the main page, and I will do the same on our own main page shortly. Are there additional terms of affiliation that you are interested in pursuing?


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:59, August 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, the Eternal Sonata Wiki also has a partner page which can be found here. If you don't have something similar and don't want to create it, that's fine, but I'd be happy to add this wiki to the page at the Eternal Sonata Wiki if you have a description and/or logo you'd like to provide for it. It looks like you also have something on the homepage that says "Related Wikia Groups." If the Eternal Sonata Wiki could be added there as well, that would be great! ProfessorTofty (talk) 15:16, August 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done, though I should note that the "Related Wikia Groups" section is really meant to list things which the Tales series is directly involved with beyond mere cameos, such as the Keroro Gunsou series which has a game (Keroro RPG) developed with oversight from Namco Tales Studio, using its trademarked (explicitly for this purpose) Linear Motion Battle System. But I guess it doesn't matter too much. We don't have any descriptions/logos/widgets so that sort of thing is unnecessary for you to provide unless you want to do so.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:51, August 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. Would you like to provide something for me to post on the Eternal Sonata Wiki about this one? Because if not, I'm just going to write up a description myself. ProfessorTofty (talk) 03:13, August 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Go for it. I'll let you know if something should be changed.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:40, August 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, it should be up later today! ProfessorTofty (talk) 21:04, August 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's up! It should be good to go, but let me know if you see anything that needs changing or improving, or feel free to just edit it yourself. ProfessorTofty (talk) 03:31, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Response
Sorry. That's just how I've seen it, but I understand where you're coming from. --LolX3D (talk) 19:53, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Believe me, I have.
I post my fanfictions on Deviantart in parts and the NamcoTales forum as a whole, yet no one replies to them. And I apologize for not telling you. The fanfiction itself is a work in progress. I'm only on Chapter 2.

If you're interested, how about a page on the Radiants? The 10 legendary heroes which you can get the best equipment from.

This is me talking. We can at least have a civilized conversation. I haven't beaten Radiant Mythology yet. I'm working on leveling up my characters to level 40 to use the Radiant's equipment. So far I beat Radiant Thief, Radiant Wizard, Radiant Fencer and Radiant Warrior. I'm currently working on my Priest, so can battle the Radiant Version.

I know Talk Pages aren't blogs and I will get rid of the fanfiction here, but wouldn't that be messing with another person's talk page, which is against the rules as well?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 16:46, August 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * You just said you will get rid of the fanfiction, then you commit one of the most heinous of crimes on this wiki which opposes Wikia social functions which are not present in default MediaWikia software: using the blog function instead of talk pages. Do not even attempt to try this again. I don't care what kind of content is on this kind of blog post or whoever makes it - I repeat: THIS WIKI IS NOT, HAS NEVER BEEN, AND WILL NEVER BE A BLOG. You can (and should) delete your own user/talk/blog pages under your own will by simply clearing the content and never restoring it for ANY reason, unlike what you reverted when you claimed to leave this wiki then came back. I open my mouth just to talk to you and I find myself sucked into your spiral of mischief once more, instead of staying happy just ignoring you since you kept your space-wasting content confined to a small part of the wiki, BUT THE CANCER IS SPREADING AGAIN. If you want a blog, PUT IT ON ANOTHER SITE AND RID US OF YOUR NONSENSE HERE. If you want comments, LOOK FOR IT ON ANOTHER SITE AND LEAVE THE USERS HERE FREE TO DO MORE CONSTRUCTIVE THINGS WITH THEIR TIME THAN READ FAN-RELATED ANYTHINGS ON A FACT-BASED WIKI.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:23, August 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * And what is this crap about apologizing about not telling me? Not telling me what exactly, that you were posting fanfiction on the wiki, even if it is on talk pages? I just told you that I know everything that happens on this wiki. You don't have to tell me anything. I DON'T WANT YOU TO TELL ME ANYTHING. THIS WIKI IS NOT A BLOG. DON'T NARRATE YOUR ACTIONS TO OTHERS WHEN YOUR EDIT CONTRIBUTION HISTORY SHOWS IT CLEARLY. Not only is it redundant, it wastes time and space for you to do so, and then it wastes my time and space for me to tell you this.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:28, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

New Arte Page Request
Hello, just posting to request your permission to create one new arte page for BLUE EARTH? I have enough information from Tales of Eternia and Graces F. --水のウォーリー (talk) 22:49, August 16, 2012 (UTC)水のウォーリー

I can't speak for Mayu, but if you have enough information to create a page that's thorough and informative, just do it. We'll fix any errors there are. I know our priority right now is fixing the pages we already have, but we've been doing that a lot lately, so you can go ahead and create that page if it's good enough. (MabiEditor)

UCHUU KITAAA
Hi Mayu. I don't know if you remember, but at one point you showed me a 4chan thread about the catch phrase "Uchuu kita!". Funny story, I actually ran into that catch phrase again, recently, since it was referenced in an anime I was watching, "Haiyore! Nyaruko-san". I was reminded of the thread you showed me and got a nice kick out of it, again. Fortunately for me, by now TV-Nihon has changed their translation of the phrase to "Space is awesome!", which more or less flies and is an actual translation, ha ha. Lig0schndr (talk) 02:23, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I dunno, I kinda enjoyed the raw stupidity of SPACE KITAAAA and Nyan Cat/Space Personality Sphere/Gurren Lagann spinoffs thereof. Really, the point is that TV-N is known for the most absurd excuse of "translations" ever, and their arguments to defend what they [don't] translate are as exemplary as a blind donkey. There are other classic examples from other groups, sometimes deliberate, ie. "All according to keikaku. [Translator's note: Keikaku means plan.]" In fact, I highly recommend this one particular fansub of Celestial Being: The Movie, a movie within the Gundam 00 movie proper.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:49, August 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Haha, admittedly "SPACE KITAAA" is pretty funny, but for what I was doing, I appreciated a more normal translation.


 * Oh wow, "All according to keikaku" was a part of a real sub? I always thought that was a fake screen shot. I might need to check out this sub some time... A friend of mine actually showed me that Gundam 00 video a little while ago. I was in stitches, hahaha. Though I appreciated the note for "Gundam-tachi!", since I didn't actually know the origin of the word "Gundam".


 * Lig0schndr (talk) 16:52, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't Nanaly Fletch be renamed to "Nanaly Fletcher"?
In an English Tales of Graces f skit, Asbel mentions her full name as being Nanaly Fletcher, so her name should probably be changed on this wiki to reflect that. Just letting you know. Here's the skit for proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yrCsqXVhT8&list=PL628EE0B60AAD6F20&index=49&feature=plpp_video

And did they ever mention her last name in Radiant Mythology 1? I don't remember if they did. If it was, then the Graces f mention could just be a slight mishap. Kinda like Asbel pronouncing Anise differently in Graces than in TotA.

I also have one last question. Whenever I post messages, my name and message log that's supposed to follow the message never shows up. How can I get it to appear? (MabiEditor)

I don't think we should change it based on one skit. It could have just been an oversight in translation. After all, isn't she referred to as "Nanaly Fletch" in all other appearances, TotA being one? Also, to sign when posting, simply type four tildes (~) at the end of your message. Moviebaby (talk) 00:43, August 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I was trying to pretend this name change did not occur, but yes our policy is that we should always use the most recent localized rendering of the name. Other spelling changes have happened in the past, notably Philia Philis/Felice and Mint Adnade/Adenade, both of whom exhibited spelling changes in Abyss and again in RadiMai. I agree that it may be an oversight, but it could just as easily be an intentional retcon of her name, considering that this is the game with other newly spawned names like "Illia" and "Jadeite". It is official and should be used here alongside other official spellings unless they are blatant auto-spellcheck errors like Phantasia's Kangaroo War (**** that noise). I just didn't want to have to change the category/template/pagename infrastructure to reflect this change in Nanaly's name... even though I really should.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:21, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

English voice actor of cameo bosses for ToV
In an English version of Tales of Vesperia for the Xbox 360, All of characters have been voiced by English. Also Dhaos, Shizel, Barbatos have an English voices. Here's the voice for that proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bvlqOgqRzc Tales of Destiny 2 has never been released in North America. But, every characters have new voice in Tales of Vesperia? Themanasword (talk) 12:40, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * What's your point? Vesperia has English voices due to being localized. Destiny 2 does not.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:25, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * All of cameo bosses have English voice in Tales of Vesperia? Themanasword (talk) 13:31, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Of course they do. Shizel's voice is new because her Eternia voice actress died already. This is Barbie's first time being voiced in English. Dhaos is probably voiced by the same guy who did his voice in the Phantasia OVA. Kratos is obvious but we would still need valid a valid source for it.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:37, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Er, scratch what I said about Shizel's VA being dead - I must have confused it with someone else like Dhaos or Nanaly's JP seiyuu. No one even knows who old-Shizel's VA was, and there is no point in speculating her new one either.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:55, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Mayu's right. Though I knew right off the bat that Cam Clarke was Kratos (Traitor to Heaven) in Vesperia, I can't make that edit without proof.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 20:30, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

What the heck?
You have reverted almost of my edits. My first edits are changed unofficial name into fan-translated name. but, this is an inappropriate editing behavior. My second edits are changed necessary edit in character template. Radiant Mythology series have non-playable appearances. but, why removing non-playable appearances? And Other games for template having non-playable characters. Tales of Destiny 2 had non-playable characters like Barbatos and Elraine. Why reverting this edit? Themanasword (talk) 15:58, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * The game navigation templates are supposed to show characters who join the party, or are otherwise playable. Such listings must show the names as they appear within status menus or whatever other means which show their names as known by the party during their time within the party itself. Thus, character names like Mithos/Ras/Estelle/Raven are written as such, not using their full names or real names. Any chars who are listed but are not playable are chars who join the party, and all of the chars in the RadiMai games who are listed are those who join Ad Libitum. Likewise, we list other non-playable chars like Ion/Claire/Richea/Emeraude and the various mascots/pets because they join the party even if they do not fight at all.


 * As for individual character templates, these should only list their playable appearances. It would be irrelevant to show non-playable appearances since no data can be attached to them through our resource-type list pages.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 16:09, August 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Why removed Shizel, Barbatos templates for Tales of Vesperia? and Non-playable and NOT join the party characters like Claire, Agarte have writen in Tales of Rebirth template. Why wrote abusing messages in my talk page? Oh, sh*t.


 * Did you read what I said? Shizel and Barbie never join Yuri's party in Vesperia. Claire and Agarte are very important party members in Veigue's group, and even Milhaust joins the party for the final dungeon. All three of these non-playable characters are shown on the save screen as part of the party, they participate in skits, they travel with the party wherever it goes while they are part of the group, and Claire/Agarte even gain titles throughout the story. They DO join the party. Shizel and Barbie DO NOT.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 16:29, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Found something new.
It would appear that Rowen and Elise will be in Xillia 2 as well. Here's the proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmNgXsDxTNg

It would appear that Rowen now has retired from being King Daius' new general and Elise is attending school. In this trailer, you can tell it's her because Tipo is still with her. Just thought you should know.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:36, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sigh. You didn't even read what I replied when you said THE SAME THING elsewhere. This information is already known for WEEKS and has already been widely disseminated on so many places. This is not new. Do us a favor and stop posting "news", since we already know the news at the time it is actually new. More importantly, stop duplicating your posts on multiple places on this wiki, because you are wasting space and wiki resources. Most importantly, stop thinking as if you are being helpful.


 * If there are things that I "should know", I would find out about them at the same time as everyone else in the community - in fact, I am sometimes the one who -announces- these things as news on the TSF. So no, there is very little I would not know about upcoming games or anything else that is publically known and distributed as news through the usual means, as posts on the TSF or on Abyssal Chronicles. You are wasting your time, and my time for needing to reply to you TWICE (!!), and also my space on this talk page.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:46, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Edit - Who is in favor of making it a bannable offense for a single user to start the same topic on multiple places on this wiki, be it on different talk pages, forums, the Wikia blog garbage, or wherever else, forcing conversations to be spread on multiple places at once? Topics should be confined to one page and one section, not reposted everywhere as if it wouldn't be noticed if it is not done. It's practically spam, nay it -is- spam, and I'm tired of seeing Winxfan perpetrate this constantly. Likewise, replies should always be on the same page for the sake of enabling future readers to follow conversations, and most certainly -not- alternating between two or more pages like every dialogue that occurs between Winxfan and anyone else.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:53, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to be helpful. But apparently there are no spelling errors on any pages. And I'm sorry. I didn't know you already knew of this.

I think it's time you archived this page to save space.

Also, If we can't work on new pages, we should work on ones that already exist. We should start by getting rid of all red links since we aren't going to make pages that will link to them. That is, until it's time to make said links.

And I have been learning from my mistakes. But where else am I supposed to make rough drafts for my articles other than here? And besides, I need more experienced editors like you or Moviebaby to look over them to point out where I went wrong before I publish them. It may be adding work for you but I have to adapt to this wiki's standards and make sure it goes by the MoS. I'm making sure I make the articles neutral third person, check for spelling, punctuation and grammar, I don't even use contradictions on this wiki anymore.

I just want you to be my friend. Is that so hard?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:38, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

No, red links should remain where they are as indicators of absent articles. They will be created in due time when someone is willing to put in the effort - the FULL effort, not some half-assed "he/she said this, then did this, then left". As for your own personal rough drafts, if you have a computer (which obviously you do), I'm sure it has some means of storing text-based data. Also, since Mayu brought it up, I'm going to elaborate. Your conversations which hop back and forth between user talk pages is uncalled for. These conversations should be condensed in one place so that no one has to wonder where the responses are when reading it, and yes, I assure you other people read it. Talk pages are not private messages by any means. They are there for all users to read and make note of incase important things are discussed. Idle conversation not pertaining to the wiki or its contents should be avoided. Moviebaby (talk) 08:16, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, usually, on Pokemon Wikia, I leave a message on a person I want to talk to on their talk page and they respond to me on my talk page, but I guess not all Wiki's are like that. Anyway, I'll get rid of the Tales Fan-fiction I made here along with the Presa article prototype on your talk page.

If it's help you guys need, maybe I can ask some people from Pokemon Wikia and Winx Wikia. I'm sure there are fans of all three series on the net. And I'm sure they'll be glad to help. Maybe some people from Youtube who played the Japanese games can help with other characters. But I guess we should work with what we have first. There is more info, but without translators we can't post it.

And we should update the news section on the main page more often. Otherwise everyone will be in the dark about what's happening in the Tales series.

So, you guys go ahead and get rid of the Blog function. I have a feeling I won't need it anymore.

And thanks for pointing out my faults.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 10:32, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Wtf?
You also changed Shizel, Barbatos, Elraine, Mithos Yggdrasill templates. Why do not think about Dhaos template? If you should going same MoS and sending abusing messages. I'm should not using this wiki again. Themanasword (talk) 10:24, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

images about legendia
Hi! I saw the Tales of Legendia images that you uploaded few days ago, very interesting indeed. I was wondering if you know where can I find a translated one, or the text at the very least, since i don't speak Japanese --Juan Ma (talk) 07:12, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

News
You're very welcome regarding the news updates, I just it looked so empty there and and the lastest news was just the very existence of Tales of graces f so I thought it needed a dust-off :E It's great to meet other Tales series fans as well, I think its on the rise everywhere right now considering the extra promotion and localization efforts namcobandai are putting into it right now. If you'd like I could handle the news section when I'm not busy? (Duaru)

What you saw on your user talk page is an automated welcome message bot. Nonetheless, the news section on the main page is rarely used, and should probably be deleted, but if someone could update it frequently with accurate information then I don't see a problem with keeping it. Honestly, I think we should just connect it with a legitimate Tales news website so we don't have to worry about updating it. Also, please separate comment sections so they don't all clutter together, and be sure to sign your posts using four tildes (~). Moviebaby (talk) 16:31, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Plus, what Duaru wrote for the News section was pretty horribly written. Somebody ought to correct it and rewrite it. I'd do it myself, but I don't think I have the ability to salvage it.

MabiEditor (talk) 16:46, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Is there any particular page that needs immediate attention?
Seems like everyone is handling things pretty well here. Any page that is not being immediately addressed that I could handle? Letdragon (talk) 19:33, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Category:Stubs. You might want to ignore the arte pages because that should be a dead project, but if you can get rid of the stub tags by adding content and redesigning the pages to fit the proper format, that's fine. But the miscellaneous pages for chars/locations/terms which remain as stubs should be dealt with first and foremost.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:13, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Such as the characters whose pages have little information about them? Letdragon (talk) 00:53, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yush. Try to focus on the ones which are relatively important in the story and avoid working on pages devoted to one-shot characters with a short exposure within the plot, though you can do so if you have something sizeable enough to add.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:46, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I did manage to learn more about the mobile phone Tales characters. I will add something to their profiles when I manage to learn full stories for each of them, so they are not all just one paragraph each with little blurbs. Letdragon (talk) 13:46, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

image request
Abyssal Chronicles here have some scans of the Tales of Vesperia Japanese Official Complete guide in his gallery and i am interested in the Don Whitehorse and Clint images. Can I use those images as long as I cite the source? Only if you authorize this request. Is up to you --Juan Ma (talk) 20:33, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * If it's cited, it's fine. Abby's site is one of our affiliates, so we should be doing more cross-website stuff. We were supposed to move onto her servers in order to escape Wikia's horrid changes to the MediaWiki software's basic functions, but that plan sorta fell by the wayside a year or two ago due to Wikia's intention to keep this wiki as a fork, resulting in duplicate content the likes of which is being experienced even now by the two World of Warcraft and the two Touhou Project wiki sites.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:05, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

I forgot one last thing. If I crop, change the brightness or contrast levels or even change its size, would that be a copyright violation even if the image is cited? --Juan Ma (talk) 03:07, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * In the image upload summary, you must say that it "has been modified from the original image at [insert source here]".


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:44, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

how can I delete an image?
I made a mistake while uploading an image so how can i delete that image? the one i am trying to delete is Duke.jpg --Juan Ma (talk) 22:33, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Only Mayu can delete images. Moviebaby (talk) 22:59, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

the "transportation" category
For the record, i wasn't the one who added the transportation category in the Rheairds article, I just added the Tales of Phantasia category. That transportation category was published by Pictomancer in 2009 (you can check the history). Since that category was on that page for so long, I thought it was an approved categorization when I edited the Tartarus, Albiore, and Fiertia a long time ago. That's why we had the issue about the transportation category in the past regarding those vehicle theme pages. I hope this make clear the misunderstanding about the unofficial transportation category. --Juan Ma (talk) 08:00, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Mayu can see exactly who added that and when it was added. The "Edit Summary" boxes are for general statements and clarifications to all users. Unless you see your username in one of them, it most likely isn't directed toward you. Moviebaby (talk) 18:59, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

I just wanted to clarify that problem since it showed when I edited the Rheairds page, cause I had the same issue when i edited the fiertia and the other pages in the past. Thats all. --Juan Ma (talk) 19:56, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Redirection of the fan-translated arte names
You have deleted the Regal Phoenix (Kouou Tenshouyoku), Celestial Blade (Zankuu Tenshouken). These names are fan-translated names. But Psion Bolt has redirected to be Demon Fang. Add yet pages have Infernal Overlord (Maou Shakumetsujin), Sundering Light (Shinretsu Senkouzan), etc. Redirection add please. I should not move fan-translated names, but redirection has necessary. Themanasword (talk) 10:05, October 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for telling me. I will now DELETE all fan-translated arte names you have mentioned to me and anything else I come across, because we will not recognize their use on this wiki. Have a nice day.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:07, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Images
If you're willing to work with me, I'm willing to assist you in the image sweep you keep referring to. I don't mind putting in the effort when I can if I have someone else who knows what they're doing assisting me. If you explain what I need to do, I can work on it whenever I have time. Moviebaby (talk) 15:38, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

images' explanation
Sorry for not responding in time. Regarding the images from Iparchive, the creator of the LP regarding the games Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World,wdarkk, gave permissions under the Fair Use of of the Copyrights Laws from the U.S.A. These are the emails that i send him a while ago:   and  you can check the confirmation. Fell free to read it. I hope this is just a big misunderstanding. I should have published it on my talk page. There are some image such as the Aionis and Brute (not the artwork) that are solely mine and those weren't taken from Iparchive.com. So what is gonna be boss? --Juan Ma (talk) 00:24, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Hey!!!Thanks for the message!XD If there's anything you want,you can talk to me!!!! (Tales of Wikia)

You surprised me.
Hi. I just came by to tell you something: Just when I had you figured out you surprised me. You deleted pictures Juan Ma uploaded, but after reading his complaint, you decided that they should be put back. My question is why the change of heart?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 22:22, October 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Mayu thought I committed copyrights violations with the images on Iparchive.com, but it turns out I had the permission granted by the owner (wdarkk). It was just a big misunderstanding. Even Mayu can make mistakes like everyone. --Juan Ma (talk) 00:02, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Juan. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:46, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Correction: Juan Ma failed to provide sources for the images he uploaded, leading Mayu to believe they were in copyright violation. She had already explained the providing a source rule to him several times, but it somehow flew past him. Regardless, though permission was granted for use of the images, clarification needs to be stated to prevent a repeat of this situation in the future. That was a lot of work on Mayu's part when it technically was not her fault, but Juan Ma's. And for Christ's sake, Winxfan, would it kill you to condense your comments? Double-spacing after every sentence is completely unnecessary. Every time I spot it, I'll take the liberty myself. Moviebaby (talk) 23:27, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Legitimate Sources
It's been a while after I talked to you. Anyway, skip the introductions, I want to know the examples of legitimate sources that are on the internet. I mean, sure we need a convincing site in order to provide information, but I wanna know the examples of them. Is Abyssal Chronicles good enough? Or is there anything else?

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 02:06, October 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. Official sources such as Namdai itself, Namco Bandai Studios which was formed by officially closing down Namco Tales Studio earlier this year, affiliated groups like Production I.G/Ufotable/Cup of Tea Productions/8-4 Ltd./etc., and the games and media themselves, always hold highest priority. Youtube videos of official trailers/commercials are valid provided that they are just links and not embedded videos which will not be allowed. If you can get info/images/whatever from these places, cite them and forget about everything else unless additional info is found elsewhere. The "elsewhere" includes magazine and artbook scans, or news posts from respected blog sites that get info directly from these magazine and artbook scans and official trailers, ideally the Japanese sites handled by Nore139 or Jaysonic, or English sites like Abyssal Chronicles and Tales Union... and note that we are affiliates with them for -precisely- the reason that they are reliable, accurate, and always try to get info from as close to the primary source as possible to avoid spreading misinformation, although it does happen (see Narikiri Dungeon 4).


 * That is what we should be doing here as well, and if there is info on Abby's site that was found on one of the JP blogs, cite that instead. Following after these places, any site or work which features specific data again not found in any of the above places such as guides with specific numbers should be noted, but any JP source must be considered for verification if possible, such as an atwiki or similar site which will often have the same info and more, and I rank JP sources higher than English ones. If no cross-verification can be found for data on English guides, then if it is a published strategy guide, it can be cited as normal. If it is an online guide published on GameFAQs/IGN/Neoseeker, permission must be sought from the writer to use it here, as I have done a couple of times, or it must be cross-checked through your own game. Any minor edits made to list-type pages after being uploaded are usually the work of people who checked their own game, so they do not need to be bound to a specific source since it means the existing sources were incomplete or wrong. The least ideal place to get things from are people who are posting whatever it is online for personal entertainment (let's plays, RP blogs) but are providing it to the wiki -with permission-. If possible, get your own content from the games.


 * Anything that is unconditionally disallowed includes images that are "claimed" (whether they are legally valid claims is irrelevant) by using watermarks or "copyrighted by...", or images containing additional text overlays (meaning subbed images should not be allowed - get screenshots from the raws instead), or altered images that merge/splice things which are not part of the original (imagine Stahn's face pasted on Mr. Ending in Abyss to show his true identity as Red-Haired Stahn). Anything gathered from sites where contributor information is intentionally obfuscated like the ***boorus or imageboards like 2ch and /v/ should be avoided completely. And of course, determine the difference between what is official and what are rumors/lies/assumptions/interpretations.


 * This is probably more information than necessary, but this is the same framework for finding sources for news, data for list-type pages, images, even literal translations for arte quotes if they are not done by yourself. Prioritize sources that are as close to the primary source as possible, and the farther away it is from that, the more necessary it is to request permission. That is why no permission is necessary when you get things from your own games, because the games are as official as they can be, provided that you have enough time on hand to look through them and get what you need.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:30, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Literal and Localized
Just wanted to ask, if the literal translation is already there and localized is available, if they are similar do we just leave them, or can we add them? e.g. I made a page for Supreme Elements and so far the literal translation exists. But, when Tales of Xillia becomes localized, the localized incantation will be available. Does that mean that I can put it in but delete the Literal, if you know what I mean? Oh, and 'thou heart' was meant to be 'thine', my bad. I was going to change it some time but it seems that you got to it before I did.

Thanks. --水のウォーリー (talk) 10:52, October 22, 2012 (UTC)水のウォーリー


 * If they are essentially identical, add the localized and remove the literal. Synonyms and rewordings do not change the meaning of the sentences most of the time, and the intention behind showing literal translations is to point out what the differences actually are, especially in situations where the localized thing is missing a certain phrase or concept that is mentioned in the original language. It is wildly redundant to pretend that the Japanese text is somehow different when you replace certain words as if you think they are more valid as a translation for a given kanji compound when it makes no difference. Believe me when I say you are not the first one who did this, which is part of why I eternally insist that arte pages are a dead project and character/location/term articles are always something that need to be focused on in order to get rid of the stubs once and for all.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:02, October 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. Understood...oh yeah, Estelle's info on Raise Dead (Ressurection) is missing in the In-Game Descriptions and Battle Quotes. I was going to add it but the info is pretty much the same as Tears and Anises'. Can I still add it? Or do you think it's irrelevant?

--水のウォーリー (talk) 07:24, October 26, 2012 (UTC)水のウォーリー


 * If it's identical, just put all of the names under the User: heading, separated by commas.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:13, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Majin Rengokusatsu
ToD2 - Judas: Artes article shown as Infernal Suffering. Its kanji has 真神煉獄刹, not 魔神煉獄殺. 真神煉獄刹 is not have a localized name. Fix request. Themanasword (talk) 18:36, October 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * But you're the horrible person who changed it to "Transcendant Penance" on August 19, 2012. I will remove the localized name in accordance with our policies, but your fan-translated names are never welcome on the arte list pages. You will also note that people on the official Tales forums also dislike your attempt to pretend that fan-translated nams are official, as seen on the topic you created in the RadiMai subforum which has no one contributing to your thread because it is unofficial garbage.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:30, October 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Every tales titles have unreleased in the English, even ToD2 PSP, RM2, and 3. Maybe ToIR, ToHTB will never localized in English, there's no news of localization.
 * Fan-translated arte names have will changed ever. Luca Milda's arte, Havoc Blade (Houshuuken) is fan-translated name. Tenshou Kouyokuken from Tales of Vesperia PS3 is announced as Divine Phoenix Edge. But it will changed ever. Themanasword (talk) 11:15, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * STOP WORRYING ABOUT ARTES THAT ARE NOT IN LOCALIZED MEDIA. END OF DISCUSSION.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:21, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Archiving talk page comments
Due to certain users, my talk page has become quite overloaded, so I was wondering how to archive the comments like you have done. Just an simple explanation will be greatly appreciated. Moviebaby (talk) 00:00, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just copy (ctrl+C) the content that you want to archive, then create a page entitled User talk:Moviebaby/Archive 1. In fact you can just click on this red link and create it that way. Paste (ctrl+V) what you have copied, add some notifications at the top of both this page and your base talk page, as well as a link to the archive on your talk page. The archive will automatically have a back-link at the top of the page, immediately below the title. Then you can delete from the base talk page what has already been archived. It's entirely a manual process of ko-pi-pe, that's all.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:16, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the Zaphias article...
You don't have to be so mean about it.

I was simply showing Moviebaby a preview of the Zaphias artcle like I did the Presa article that will be worked on in the future when Xillia becomes localized. She said the content of that article was good, but my writing style needed work. I get the fact that we need to work on the existing pages by adding more detals, but they all looked so perfect. I even attempted to work on Cheria's article, but thought deeply on how you would react to it. For example, I wanted to add more details about how she got captured, or the names first mention, meaning I have to provide a link to a name of another character, in full, the first time it the name is written in the article. The only exception to this was Estelle, whose full name is pretty lengthy, and another name that's lengthy is Natalia's full name. Just some examples.

At pokemon wikia, which is expanding with new pages almost every day, with me contributing a new episode article every Thursday, let me just say You're not the only one who deals with a bad editor. Over the past few days I had to constantly deal with an editor whose contributor number is 67.250.74.212. Every time he/she does the stupid thing of answering the questions I write in my plots. They are meant to keep the reader in suspense, even if they are short. The reason is because we have had a couple of good plot writers but after a while they quit. The purpose was to make an original, fully detailed episode plot similar to those on bulbapedia or serebii but not exactly like them, and, as you are aware already, I am not good at such a thing. Back on topic, I try to tell him to stop but he/she doesn't do so and as a result I got banned for a week there by Jazzi. I probably deserved it, but I do work hard there if anything new comes up like an english dubbed version of the episode title.

I'm probably boring you with all this so I'll just stop here. I'm pretty much bored with Winx Wikia after I got my year badge, and I was hoping you would let me and Moviebaby be in charge of a Vesperia pages project, since we are playing the same game, though I'm not sure if we're both plaing the Xbox version or I play it and she's playing the PS3 version. We could collaborate on ideas, but first things first we have to make the articles here the best they can be. Meaning before we can add new pages, we must work on existing ones, no matter how minor they are. I may not know about japanese translation but I can work on an american end. All I ask is that you givve me two lists: one on articles that have been perfected and ones that need work. Of course you're going to tell me: "Figure it out on your own!" in which case I may have to.

Well, that's all I have to say about the topic. Wish me luck, or not. It's your choice.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:11, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well you're proving yourself to be a problem user everywhere, so I'm not surprised. There is no need for "suspense" in encyclopedia articles, just facts. Your idea of "working hard" is working to force others to work hard to undo your writings and then start from scratch. One can tell at a glance if an article needs work or not; just look at the details that are added. I already did provide you with examples of well-written pages through all of the edits I have made to most of the Eternia articles recently, and did I not mention how Ras and Max now have pages far more detailed and better than that of the main character Reid? I shouldn't even have to tell you to "Figure it out on your own!" because it is all common sense, unless one's quality expectations are as low as yours and you can't tell the difference between a good article and one that is "Nice huh?", which is already a synonym for utter trash.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:25, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Well at least I am helping out. But you could tell that from the Absorption, Lucky, and Happy Light articles. All nice touches. You know this already but I added the localized descriptions of Air Thrust, Air Pressue and Aqua Edge from TotW: RM. I should have told you this before, but the only Tales games I have are Dawn of the New World, Abyss for the 3ds, Vesperia and the game I mentioned earlier, Radiant Mythology. So my scope is limited to those four. Right now I am currently going through the articles by alphabetical order to see what can be added or fixed. But you could tell already, even though it's not up to standards it is a start. BTW, everyone at Winx wikia seems to like me. I am an admin there, I even came up with then "No naughty Winx pictures" rule, which is common sense on wiki's like this. Did I forget to mention every one of my Pokemon episode articles are pre-made? That reminds me, It's been nearly a week since the last episode came out in Japan. I gotta get it done by tomorrow. See ya.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 13:46, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, you are hurting out. Stop pretending you are being useful here. Every time I see you use the word "nice" I cringe, and now I really want to scrap those pages you just touched as if they are poisonous. Arte pages are a dead project as I have said over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. I'm just tired of having to point it out since you obviously don't listen anyway. How specific do I have to be when I say that the existing articles relating to characters/locations/terms have to be dealt with? Is that not specific enough? Obviously so. If you are going to fix anything, the greatest benefit you can give us is your permanent absence, which will fix A LOT of things, including my lifespan. Failing that, since failure is all you're capable of, you should focus exclusively on whatever it is you keep adding to the DotNW monster list since I stopped caring about it.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:03, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

I actually stopped caring about that after my fourth playthrough. And I am not pretending. I am useful. You may not care about Arte pages, but I couldn't very well leave them undone. And aside from you, me and Moviebaby, how may editors come here every day?

But to be honest, I had no idea Presa could use Guardian Field.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 15:00, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Things were fine when it was just me and Lanate and Zolo, and Penamesolen when she was around a couple of years back. Whether there are others around or not, however, I am always the one to do the back-breaking labor -and- monitor trash edits like yours. Your presence here makes me work HARDER. Do you perceive being "useful" as demotivating the admin and preventing her from actually updating the things that need to be worked on because you force her to direct all of her attention to fixing EVERY SINGLE EDIT YOU MAKE? Stop. Fucking. Pretending. You are -not- being useful, you are being anti-useful. You are being so non-useful that you are beind destructive to the wiki just by being here. The most useful thing you can do is leave and never come back.


 * And don't misunderstand, I care very much about the arte pages (DON'T CAPITALIZE ARTE OR MYSTIC ARTE GODDAMN), to the point that I would rather have no one touch them because I am ashamed that I started the project in the first place, and SO MUCH MORE ON THIS WIKI NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH FIRST. So LEAVE THEM ALONE.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:08, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Were you aware you made a serious violation: No cursing?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:45, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

No such violation exists. Moviebaby (talk) 23:57, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Well isn't it a rule not to swear or curse when talking to someone on this or any other wiki?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 09:23, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * This isn't any othr wiki. Stop comparing Aselia to other wiki sites. We are our own website, and we have our own rules, which I am VERY strict about. We also have other things that are acceptable here, which might not be acceptable on other places, but that is not my concern. After all, they are independent sites, and we have no control over what they do, and conversely, they have no control over us. Follow -our- rules while you are here, or go away.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:12, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Mithos or Mithos Yggdrasill?
ToS Template shown as Mithos. It has redirected Mithos Yggdrasill. I'm changed Mithos Yggdrasill instead of Mithos. But, you have reverted them and inserting abusing messages in my talk page. WHY? I don't know about differences of Mithos and Mithos Yggdrasill. Themanasword (talk) 10:31, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Because on game templates, we will always show their names as they are known to the party while they are -in- the party, always prefering what is written in the menus. Thus, we also have Ras and -not- Rassius Luine, and Estelle and -not- Estellise Sidos Heurassein, and Natalia L.K. Lanvaldear and -not- the full thing. Mithos is known as "Mithos" to the party while he is a member of the party. Therefore, our game navigation templates will comply with that. If you read our Manual of Style, discretion must be used when putting full names in the text of any content-based article to avoid spoilers, but full names should always be used if this is not an issue. WE HAVE POLICIES FOR THESE THINGS YOU KNOW. And I write abusive things on -everyone's- talk pages. Get over it dear, you're not special.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:39, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Young Mithos was playable in ToS? Same with Past-looks Shizel?
 * If he was playable, Arte info is necessary. Themanasword (talk) 10:44, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * And see, this moronic line of thought is why you should never touch our templates. Joining the party does -not- mean the character is playable. Mithos joins the party and participates directly in skits and events. So does Claire, Agarte, Ion, Emeraude, Calcedny, Brambert, and the list goes on. They are all party members. They all belong on the templates that show party members, whether they have artes or are playable or not. Simple.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:48, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * And ToD2 template, Barbatos Goetia and Elraine have excluded in it, the reason is they have never joining party ever and none of skits or whatever them? Shizel is meaning as Past-looks Shizel in ToE Template? Themanasword (talk) 10:55, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * YESYESYESYESYES. I TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE. WHY MUST I REPEAT MYSELF EVERY SINGLE TIME TO EVERY PERSON WHO TOUCHES THESE THINGS?


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:57, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Tales of Hearts R huh?
Looks like it finally came to fruition. Can't say I'm thrilled it's going to be on the Vita though. Letdragon (talk) 23:42, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Talk:Tales of Hearts


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:43, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Gaius of Xillia/2
How come Gaius from Xillia and Xillia 2 doesn't have his own page? I am asking you cause you do a lot of edit's and was just wondering. He is in part one and two and I think he need's one. ~The Hero~ 00:46, October 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * We have priorities, and no one has taken the effort to make a fully detailed article on Gaius. Such effort is better directed toward existing pages anyway, to get rid of the ones which are stubs or otherwise insufficient and require expansion as they are now. It takes effort to make a lot of edits, and I allocate effort toward things that already exist so that they become better, instead of spreading the effort too thin, only to result in an increased number of trashy content pages which may as well continue to not exist.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:15, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Xillia 2's Character Limitation
Did you hear about the character limitations (system?) that were brought up just recently? Apparently when you battle within town, you are only allowed a selected amount of characters (not sure how many) to participate and when you are out in the field you have to work out what characters you have. In addition to that, while out in the field, if you feel the need to change characters you have to return to town to do so. I'm not yet sure if the character shift system is still there but...I reckon that’s ridiculous despite the good reasoning.

Thought it might be of good interest maybe to add to the Xillia 2 main page if applicable.

--水のウォーリー (talk) 00:49, October 28, 2012 (UTC)水のウォーリー

Jude,Millia and Elise appearances
Please may you describe the appearance of jude,millia and elise by describing their hair color,hairstyle,eyecolor and outfits they wear in Xillia in words please.And I did get your message about that spamming sorry but may you please at least answer these questions? --Dcrigg (talk) 16:50, October 28, 2012 (UTC)Dcrigg

I just cant understand why you left out the majority of characters physical appearance undescribed in aselia wikia while some are.So if you leave those characters undescribed than by my request describe them for me under my talk page, if you wont do it than tell me who can and who will. --Dcrigg (talk) 23:40, November 4, 2012 (UTC)Dcrigg


 * I won't because I have priorities. The articles will be fleshed out -with- those details WHEN WE GET TO THEM. In the meantime there are other things people are working on, which are more important to us than satisfying one person: you.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:42, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well you should never have left out every character on aselia wikia undescribed in the first place, every character on aselia wikia should always be detailed in everything including the description of their physical appearance and attire but you just leave it undescribed without doing anything about it. --Dcrigg (talk) 23:51, November 4, 2012 (UTC)Dcrigg


 * IT'S BECAUSE HORRIBLE PEOPLE KEEP CREATING THESE PAGES WITH LITTLE DETAIL. WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO FIX THESE BAD PAGES FOR THEM. FOCUS SHOULD BE PLACED ON PAGES THAT ALREADY EXIST INSTEAD OF CREATING MORE OF THEM, BUT PEOPLE DON'T LISTEN AND WE END UP WITH THE CRAP PAGES YOU ARE SEEING. THAT IS WHY I AM REITERATING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER THAT THERE ARE PRIORITIES AND THAT THINGS WILL BE FIXED ON OUR OWN TIME, AND YOU CAN EXPECT THESE PAGES TO FINALLY HAVE THE DETAIL YOU WANT THREE OR FOUR YEARS FROM NOW. DON'T PESTER US TO DO THINGS FASTER OR TO BYPASS OUR PRIORITIES FOR YOUR SAKE, SINCE OUR PROGRESS IS FORCED TO BE DIVERTED EVERY TIME SOMEONE CREATES A NEW PAGE. YES I'M LOOKING AT YOU TWO WHO CREATED PAGES IN THE PAST TWELVE HOURS WHICH I HAD TO DELETE BECAUSE OF THIS VERY SITUATION.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:56, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Even after three or four years,you'd still have priorities to edit details for a future Tales game(which Baba-san said that was in development of a new Tales game after the release of Xillia 2)and have no time to edit descriptions of all the characters appearances in all the previous Tales games. --Dcrigg (talk) 18:29, November 5, 2012 (UTC)Dcrigg


 * I'm just curious why it's so important to you to have physical descriptions. Is there some sort of "gaming for the blind society" where they use this site with a text-to-speech program because they can't see the character's profile image, and no one else is available to help them? Other than your horrid capacity at the English language, is there something else that prevents you from describing something you can see yourself? And just as a note, this is not asking you to do it yourself because it will likely end up like some horrid train wreck, though that would be fun to watch.
 * JoeTang (talk) 19:42, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Its just I love how I read their descriptions of their appearances and no I dont edit their appearance by my own.I want to read the descriptions which are edited professionally. --Dcrigg (talk) 19:47, November 5, 2012 (UTC)Dcrigg


 * No Dcrigg, we will prioritize pages that ALREADY EXIST, not char/location/term pages for new games that are being thrown out as a result of the Tales Cycle. We intend to flesh out the pages that need it NOW instead of adding more pages with such half-effort or non-effort that it adds to the workload. It all depends on IF PEOPLE WOULD STOP CREATING HORRIBAD NEW PAGES for these new chars and everything else. Guess what, I just deleted the page for a char from Xillia 2... for the THIRD TIME. I'm serious about having priorities.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:16, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

I think you missed out one thing about describing Ludger's appearance(protaganist of Xillia 2):his shoe wear--Dcrigg (talk) 20:56, November 10, 2012 (UTC)Dcrigg

just wondering
Hi long time. I just have a doubt. According to the Manual of Style regarding infoboxes Images that are used within infoboxes should show the primary official artwork for a character, right? Recently I uploaded Khroma's concept art so, would be better to keep its image as Entelexeia or change it with her concept art as a Krityan? --Juan Ma (talk) 04:29, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

The image of Khroma in her Krityan form should be used in the infobox. I'll change it now. Moviebaby (talk) 05:25, October 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * It should use whatever form the character has when the party first meets him/her. Most concept art is often drawn with the same reasoning in mind. I didn't play the game but I'm inclined to believe that the revelation of her being an Entelexeia comes later in the game.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:49, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

"Tales Wiki"
I'm sure you're already painfully aware of this joke of a wiki created by Winxfan during his week of ban. I find the pitiful attempts of plagiarism amusing, the fact that they swallowed exact information from this site and vomited it out on that one. Glancing over the improperly formatted pages and recent spam contributions, I feel the wiki needs to be shut down for the sake of perserving this wiki's position in search engine results. Did Winxfan create the wiki? If so, can he shut it down? I wouldn't imagine it difficult to report the wiki in some way or simply request it be shut down, but I figured this falls more into your area. Just providing my thoughts and anticipating what you think. Moviebaby (talk) 05:52, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't make it. It was someone else.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 18:31, October 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I did put in a request for redirection of that domain, just like another Symphonia-focused wiki which has already been redirected to Aselia like five years ago. The Wikia staff shot down my request on the merit that it was being "actively edited" and that I require consent from those who were editing the site, which in spite of my explanation of the matter and Winxfan's very existence, was not something that I could overcome. I am intentionally waiting for several months before taking action to have the domain redirected once more. Of course, I have a tab on my browser permanently open to that site just in case someone does decide to edit so I can jump on there and tell him/her to cut it out. The same goes for the -other- Tales wiki that Winxfan probably doesn't know about, which isn't even hosted by Wikia.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:36, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

What other Tales Wiki? Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 11:44, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

About Link Artes
Just posting to inquire about Link Artes in Xillia. I have translated some In-Game Quotes on some (magic) link artes; namely, Raging Mist. I just wanted to ask for your consent. Am I allowed to add a link arte quote to pages, if it exists? If so, what structure do I use to lay it out? I remember seeing Dual the Sol's incantation structure between Hilda and Eugene. I used that structure to compose Elise's Reverie Go Round incantation. Except, these two are mystic artes and Raging Mist isn't. That's why I'm asking.

--水のウォーリー (talk) 04:33, October 31, 2012 (UTC)水のウォーリー


 * Anything that involves multiple people should use that format, regardless of the arte type. This also includes the many variations of Indignation that involve Dhaos/Sekundes. There is no way to display the quotes otherwise.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:31, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

What's wrong?
Really, I'm the one who doesn't "get" you. I mean, I know that to make a page we need a lot of information, but there's a contradiction in your comments. The first page you said that the page was smaller than three sentences, so you deleted the page. That's fine with me since of course, we need more than that. But the information I gave are more than three sentences. And yet you throw a tantrum and start to spill up nonsense in your comment by saying that the information was shorter than the page before. I really don't get it. If you think so, then why don't you make the page yourself?

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 11:36, November 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * And what was it that you added? You mentioned that he failed the test to enter Claspia Corp. Twice. This is what happens in the first few minutes of the game, and is better described -how- and -why- as part of his historical exposition. Then of course there's literally everything else he does. Everything else is just a description of his looks, which is just padding anyway since you are basing it off of the artwork rather than anything shown in the game, like reactions, both his own and those of others who interact with him. The fighting style thing reads as if you don't really know how he fights, given how he doesn't wield three weapons at once but rather does the whole Haseo the Adept Rogue thing, complete with looks once he goes into Gaikaku mode. When I said there is "little more", apparently you misinterpreted that as being "less", but I meant that it is insignificantly more... which is still bad anyway. When I started to clean up what you put... which amounted to cutting out the part about having no set personality, the duplicated stuff about not joining Claspia Corp, and what I knew would have to be a complete rewriting of everything else, the page no longer had any weight on which it could remain standing.


 * So yes, I would rather not see a page until an actual historical exposition can be written, and I would be glad to do it myself but I have -priorities-. If you had your way and the page remained, I WOULD BE REWRITING IT ENTIRELY ANYWAY, so it's exactly the same situation, whether it's a red link or not. I prefer to have red links. Any focus on content pages should be directed toward existing stubs and not creating more of them. I've said this millions of times, and if you don't "get" me, that's not really my concern since I overexplain everything for your sake and that of everyone else who finds their stuff deleted. So if you intend to add anything, start fleshing out the story section of the Xillia 2 page, or backtrack and do that with any of the other older games that needed it long before you created the Xillia 2 page itself, much to my horror.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:11, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

"Guild Union" article
So, just informing you that I've had a change of mind about the "Five Master Guilds" article. Instead, I've come to the conclusion that an article dedicated to the Guild Union as a whole would be more effective, considering it could include information on the Five Master Guilds, as well as several other plot-sensitive guilds that just happen to not be part of the top five. I will take the liberty of adjusting links on the various Vesperia articles I've been tweaking recently. This new article will be able to encompass a lot. The "Brave Vesperia" article should stay, as the guild is not part of the Union, and outside guilds such as Palestralle need only be mentioned in the article, as there is nowhere near enough content to warrant anything else of value for them. This article will also include numerous names, references, and ultimately links. It will also make it to where the Vesperia portion of the "Guilds" article can be condensed into a single paragraph, briefly summarizing the function of guilds in the game, and a link to this article will be included. I'm going to go ahead and create the page to satisfy the removal of information on the guilds. I will work on expanding it from there. Moviebaby (talk) 07:13, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Page created. As far as I know, Palestralle is the only guild mentioned in the game not apart of the Union. I included it toward the bottom, as I stated I would, and I also provided a link to the "Brave Vesperia" article. This way all the guilds are mentioned and linked on a singular, uniform page. I will continue to work on it as I play through the game. In the meantime, I will work on adjusting the links in other Vesperia articles. I believe this page will help provide a stable foundation for future Vesperia-related expansion. Moviebaby (talk) 08:35, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * There is no need to adjust links. Just make redirects for each guild and any other related term, so that any existing links can remain and point to the page automagically. If you don't know how, I'll provide some redirects right now as an example, but you have to determine what other names/terms should point to this page and then create those redirects yourself.


 * Edit - Of course, you can still adjust links if you really want to, but sometimes it's okay just to make the guild name itself the link, like for char pages which show it in their "occupation". Do whatever feels right to you.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:51, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I made those edits before noticing this. I will definitely keep the redirection function in mind when I look at all this tomorrow. I'm going to bed now. I do like your idea of the redirects much better. It will be simpler that way. Moviebaby (talk) 09:15, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

I
Dear Mayu Miyuki,

I want to apologize for what happen with the two pages I made. I will love to edit this page if you will let me. I know I had errors on these pages and I will fix them if you just let me help. Thank you and please pardon my poor edition skills. I have gotten better at them since last time.

Sincerly,

Jaycee Hampton

Re: I'm morbidly curious what you think this "information" is
Well, sorry for my poor choice of words as English is not my native language and I was watching the videos of Tales of Graces f and I noticed that "CC" popup and went here to check for what it stands but there was no page called "CC" or any redirect on that page, and the "Chain Capacity" seemed to be the best article to redirect the "CC": redirect are really helpful and should be used whevever possible, I think, bot not excessively however. As for the other information...I see that this Wiki mainly relates on protagonists and their abilities and equipment seemingly forgetting about enemies and enemy pages might be very good idea for this Wiki to grow, but to also provide strategy for battles. I could help with the enemy pages if you would plan to use some kind of table to note their battle statistics effectively, but sadly I will not be able to provide any help beyond constructing the tables for enemy stats and such. You might also consider making full game templates will all the important characters, locations, terms, and such to ease the navigation through the Wiki even more. I do realise it's a lot of work, but like they say: "you never know until you try". Once again: sorry for the poor choice of words. Hope you have nice day, anyway.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 22:37, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * The lack of information is because we have priorities yet people keep ignoring them by creating horribly written or minimalistic articles for many things, forcing someone else to rewrite it entirely and diverting our efforts away from the things that we should be working on. Lately I prefer just to delete things that are as badly written as that so it does not add to our workload. But enemy pages and such that are missing should come -after- the existing stub pages are fleshed out as they deserve to be. Furthermore, there will be no strategy information provided because it is subjective and therefore not encyclopedic material. We do not accept strategies/guides/walkthroughs here. Battle statistics belong exclusively on the list-type pages devoted to monster/enemy information, and while we don't have one of those for Graces yet, it is not a priority since there are other things to do. As for templates that list all chars/locations/terms, that is a work in progress and some games already have such templates. We already have a set format for it (established just a week or two ago, incidentally, after I finally got around to cleaning up deprecated code and changing the design of some things), but again, priorities first. We have to work on existing pages and make them at least decent before moving on, but people keep dumping bad pages on us which holds us back.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:48, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

May I know what this priorities are? And well, I can't force you to anything so do what you think is right. I am still willing to help if not by, I don't know...story-related information and as such, I can help with coding and formatting.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 11:33, November 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Forum:Priority reminders. I should just emphasize again, existing content pages really need to be developed into fully detailed articles first, and then new pages can be created, again with the same kind of detail. As far as list-type resource pages are concerned, I'm already working on arte lists for Xillia 2, but one of the major things to deal with is the upcoming removal of certain aspects of HTML code. See the top of my talk page here for the section regarding deprecated script, which is potentially a problem once the MediaWiki software is updated network-wide. At the same time, I'm making some changes to certain things for the sake of consistency throughout this wiki. If you know what you're doing, you can proceed with this conversion process, while of course retaining our spacing and indentures in the source code for readability. I have seen some of the code one other user has copied from FFwiki for certain templates and it is so unreadable that I had to change many things, and it is only recently that I rewrote the code from scratch to provide better functionality for our purposes here.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 11:46, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

I wonder if you don't mind including on the character pages "Etymology" sections and their names' pronunciations, like for Poisson?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) 23:09, November 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * But that's just trivia. It doesn't need its own section, because Japan tends to choose names just because they sound foreigngrish to their ears, which adds to their perspective of a fantasy setting.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:17, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

just curiosity
I was wondering if these templates are still used since I recall no one is using them these days. Just that.

--Juan Ma (talk) 05:04, November 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * They're pointless relics. Zolo made a bunch of these templates based on FFwiki's use of similar banners, but some had overlapping purposes ( and ,  and  ), and others are just so that he can act important and stamp things on others' pages as if they were all official-like, such as the two templates you posted above. If I warn someone, I don't bother using the templates, I just tell them and describe the what and why. And ever since Wikia put into effect the silly automated welcome bot, the welcome thing no longer had any purpose, though I dislike having either of these since it used to be clear who was just a random new user who might have made a dumb edit just by looking at their red-link usernames... like yours until recently, since you started editing before the welcome bot was forced on the entire Wikia network.


 * I'm not deleting the templates simply because they are used on various user pages, and I don't feel like going through those random user pages just to strip out these template tags. So I'm leaving them alone, since the removal of these templates will cause the MediaWiki software to list the template names as "wanted templates". That's an infrastructure technicality I don't want to care about. I actually forgot I had a plan in mind to merge the Clean Up and Stub tags so that only the stub one will be used but it will change its display format based on an input parameter, so that we can have a banner at the top of outrageously low content pages that can't be deleted outright, or a small text blurb immediately below the section header of something that needs expansion. Needless to say, anything with the Clean Up, Wikipedia, and De-Wikify tags should have them removed or replaced with the stub tag if appropriate, or deleted if it's blatantly copied stuff from Wikipedia like those Eternia anime char pages. But I'm leaving the templates here until I can verify that no page is using them. At this point, only the De-Wikify one is unused on any page, but I have no way to search out which ones -are- being used without forcing a category creation that I don't want. The welcome and warning tags can stay as is, but don't use them anymore.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:44, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Merging Aselia with two abandoned wiki sites and Winxfan's latest thing
According to the Wikia staff, I have to ask for community support from all relevant sites in order to initiate a merger, which will result in these other sites being redirected to Aselia. Part of that is approval from those of us who are on Aselia itself. For the sake of emphasis, I will list the three sites in question below:


 * Tales of Wiki (unedited since Jan 2012 by a user who added a link to Aselia anyway)
 * Tales Wiki (unedited since May 2012, ignoring spam, being Winxfan's first attempt at rebellion)
 * Tales of Wiki (Winxfan's latest thing)

We have already received support for the closure of Winxfan's latest site through the English Tales community at the official Namco Tales Forums through this thread Winxfan created, located here. Read it if you must, but beware of the headache involved in trying to make sense of Winxfan's lines of reasoning. Lunar has already locked the thread due to being brought off topic since people could not take this poor soul seriously.

This documentation will serve mostly as the dialogue required by the Wikia staff to initiate the required mergers to our site. To that end, I require input from our users, in support or refusal of this action. Remember that nothing will happen if people remain silent, just like last time.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:26, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Support. Moviebaby (talk) 23:43, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Count me in. --Juan Ma (talk) 00:20, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Me too. MabiEditor (talk) 01:05, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'm ok with this. --LolX3D (talk) 02:09, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead. I kind of like their names over Aselia's though. =P Lanate (talk) 02:32, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * But Aselia is already established and universally known in the English community so it would be hard to change it anymore. I know you're not being serious about having a name change but Wikia will be looking at this topic before making any changes. Anyway, expect some sort of action after one week has passed. Meanwhile Winxfan is dumping his badly written Tales stuff onto his talk page on the Pokemon wikia site, showing that he still hasn't learned from anything and continues to plug his ears to all the honest criticism the TSF users had to give. I don't think anyone would be surprised. I kinda enjoy the idea of getting Quickiewiki or Kwekeewiki pointed to us but that's just too random and disintuitive, heh. I love the creative ideas the TSF brews every now and then.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:09, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

I dont understand,why is there a creation of these new wikies mainly releted to to the tales series?!--Dcrigg (talk) 18:36, November 12, 2012 (UTC)Dcrigg

ARE YOU IGNORING ME?! ANSWER ME ALREADY--Dcrigg (talk) 19:17, November 12, 2012 (UTC)Dcrigg


 * Hrm. Just because I am unable to answer you within a single hour because I'm sleeping, since I live on the other side of the ocean, you think I am ignoring you. Don't be impatient, I told you that our stuff will take years to finish so do NOT force us to move faster to satisfy YOUR wishes alone. As for these other wiki sites, they shouldn't exist indeed, and that's why I am trying to get them redirected to Aselia, the only site that exists as a comprehensive and viable resource for Tales content aside from the fansite hubs we are affiliated with.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:52, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Recreation
I'm planning to recreate Ludger page, since I got more information. Don't worry, I'll follow the Manual of Style. Would that be alright? Feel free to ban me or delete the page if you're still not impressed.

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 09:59, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Do you plan to add content extending through a decent portion of the game and not just filler text? Furthermore, are you going to say his personality is not defined and chosen by the player? Because that's false, his personality is very rigid and the only thing missing is spoken dialogue, which is certainly a dumb idea to implement in a series so focused on char interaction such as this, yes. But he still grunts and yells at opportune moments to show exactly his feelings regardless of player input, which is still enough to hammer in the pain of certain events in the story. The player input just nets extended conversations and intimacy boosts, just like choices for skits in Symphonia/Innocence/Hearts, for exactly the same purpose given they all have the same concept of relationship values. The Megaten/SMT games are a lot better in this regard, though the Purse Owner series really shouldn't have to do the silent Brotag/FeMC thing when there is no actual alignment system which allows you to truly determine a char's personality, unlike the core series. And yes, I'm a strong Megaten fan too, because this series is the closest thing Japan has to Baldur's Gate quality route changes, and I'm fond of the concept that -every- ending of every game is canon in one iteration of the world... Persona just fleshes out two branches of one of those endings of SMT If... when I am far more interested in the Great Destruction era that occurs between the two parts of SMT1, aka the time period of IMAGINE and Megami Tensei 2.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:46, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Haha! No worries, I too am a Megaten fan. Especially Persona series and Devil Survivor. I'm planning to extend his personality and history. I've watched all the walkthroughs and I think I have enough information to create the page.

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 11:01, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I enjoyed classic Megami Ibunroku Persona/Snow Queen and absolutely loved the P2 duology. I'm okay with P3 and P4 but I'm not really happy with the direction the subseries went because of these two titles. The recent remakes of the early three games made that so painfully obvious. I'm ready to move on from Animu Dating Sim 3 and 4 (Kouli's words, not mine) and resume with Persona 2.3, if another Purse Owner game or similar spinoff just -has- to be made instead of a Great Destruction era game. I know Atlus is doing both right now but really, I care most about the core series and not its spinoffs, even if they are more popular. At least one of the Raidou successors got to experience the Great Destruction firsthand and then jumped back in time to rant about it like an insane madman.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:25, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

I heard that during your second playthrough of Xillia 2, you can choose to make Ludger's dialogue choices voiced, so that would be of some use in creating this article. You might want to take into account the game's multiple endings too. MabiEditor (talk) 12:27, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've already added about the voice thing in the trivia. But about endings, I think I'll have to put that in the history, but I don't like it when it suddenly turn into the endings right after the beginning. I need to write everything. Oh well, I'll take that to the account. Megaten games are nice! I didn't follow the Persona dualogy since I first know Persona series from P4. Do you play Devil Survivor? I do, but I'm stuck right now... :(

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 12:49, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Artes with multiple-row requirements
To confirm, when we have an arte with multi-rowed requirements, like on ToX - Link Artes, any of the arte's special effects share the same row as the bottom-most row of requirements. Lanate (talk) 21:54, November 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Somewhat. The bottom-most row of requirements, being the second listed user's last arte option, represents the upper limit for the arte effect cell's display. I set up these cells to actually take less space than that, providing a nice effect that does not necessarily cause its cell height to match that of the former bottom-most row, to emphasize that it is an effect of the arte and not the user/arte involved. Granted, longer or more bulleted effects will cause this cell to expand, and the last requirements row will expand with it, but I think that's unavoidable since I don't want to provide two different coding formats to display the arte effects.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:13, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

request
As you may know, the past days I uploaded the cities's emblems from Tales of Vesperia. If you can, I want you delete the file known as YumanjuEmblem.jpg (here) because it turns out that the file doesn't correspond to Yumanju, instead to Nam Cobanda Isle (in order to prevent future misunderstanding with these symbols).--Juan Ma (talk) 00:40, November 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:49, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks--Juan Ma (talk) 00:59, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Doubled categories
When i was categorizing images I noticed that there are two categories named "Magazine Scans" and "Magazine scans" (these differs cause the first S at the word "scans"). So which will be used? Files such as the Tales of Vesperia's cities' emblems are categorized with the "Magazine scans" category and the magazines scan you uploaded a while ago are categorized as "Magazine Scans". --Juan Ma (talk) 03:53, November 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Obviously, you should use the capital letters. I intentionally wrote the category name this way, and it's your own fault that you did not stay consistent with it. But keep in mind that the magazine scan category is for the actual scans of magazine spreads, as in the pages in full, not the things cropped out from them. These city emblems should go into a new category entitled "ToV Emblems", and the existing "Magazine scans" category should be removed so I can purge the category. Next time, follow existing category naming conventions.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 08:54, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Stub / music
You delete anything that's a stub? How do you ever get anything done? No wonder there currently aren't any pages for anything Tales of Graces locations whatsoever. My page for Lhant was legitimate, everything on it was accurate, and there was no reason for it to be deleted. As for the song page I created, how is it any different from "My Tales"? If you're hoping full Japanese, you might be waiting forever, because I don't know any. ProfessorTofty (talk) 12:33, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * My Tales is fully English in both versions of Legendia. Gab Desmond and Donna Burke are common English singers in Japanese games, recently including Heaven's Divide in MGS: Peace Walker. We get things done because we stick to priorities. We are held back from getting things done when people start dumping pages with so little content that they may as well not exist, at which point I'd rather keep them as red links. The only "legitimate" page is one that details the role of the location in the story, not with overarching or general statements, but with explicit detail and facts that are relevant. A novelization is unnecessary, but explanations regarding the area's importance and specific events that occur should be part of the page. But again, focus should be directed toward pages that exist, to get rid of the pages that -need- this detail, instead of dumping more pages that actually make the wiki look more incomplete since the pages are pointless until they have enough content to exist.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:40, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I disagree with your philosophy. A stub is a building block, the foundation of any good article. The full details aren't always readily available, and in some cases (like myself), the person may not have finished the game, or might not feel like creating a complete page at the time. But if you put up something to begin with, then others can build and expand upon it. Like I said, everything that I placed on the page of Lhant was important - that it is the hometown of two key protagonists of the game, and the important role that it plays in the politics of the game. That's good information, information that people browsing the wiki might not have known before, but not if the page isn't there for them to see. Like I said, right now, the number of pages you have for locations in the game Tales of Graces is a sparkling number of zero. If somebody comes to your wiki and wants to know about the locations within the game, they will find nothing when it comes to pages about them. Is that a good idea? ProfessorTofty (talk) 12:55, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * And for goodness sakes, why did you move the song page? The formatting I used is what is used in the link on the Tales of Graces page, which BTW, is now a redlink again. ProfessorTofty (talk) 12:57, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * And it's easier to find and organize pages that need to be worked on while the pages that are not worth existing at the present time remain that way. If short blurbs are to be added for every little thing, suddenly the entire wiki is littered with them, the stub tag becomes pointless since it's on every page, all of our attention is focused on trying to remedy the existence of the pages which often state the obvious or give a few token sentences, and then we can never work on the pages we are trying to finish in the first place because we're busy trying to edit-stalk users who make minor additions which either contribute nothing or go against our rules regarding writing style and speculation. I would rather see red links. So what if the Graces location pages don't exist? They will exist eventually, even if it will be years from now. In the meantime, we have things that need to be remedied -now- because they already exist. This page on BoA's song is one such example since I hold list-type pages to even higher standards for the sake of the English community.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:11, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Tales Forum rollback
Just as a community service announcement, since we are indeed a component of the English Tales community, our official forums were recently taken offline for some sort of server update and then restored a few days ago. The higher ups didn't bother to make a backup before making this change, much less notify us that it would occur. And when the forums were restored, everything that had been posted during the last 20 months was lost. Of course, Namco Hometek has been known for radical incompetence (and more importantly to me, localization disconsistencies) ever since Peter Garza (Fuzzy Critter) left the company, but this is simply astounding. The only backup to the forums was more than a year and a half ago. We lost hundreds of thousands of posts of both the informational and entertaining varieties, and several megathreads devoted to Graces, Xillia, Xill2, and other topics were essentially obliterated. And according to a tweet by our so-called "community manager" Rich Bantegui (FilthieRich), the forums are already "fixed", as if he doesn't even know what has occurred, or that he doesn't care.

I never liked the guy, especially when people started worshipping him after Graces PS3 was announced more than a full year before it was set for release in English, defeating the purpose of hype. But he takes his job to a negative level that I never thought was possible. It was clear even back then that he was just giving lipservice and saying/claiming things without even understanding what our community is all about, and naturally he prefers to lurk on Facebook where the cancerous parts of the community are most prominent. And so the forums are now stuck in their present state, with everything occurring after March 2011 now permanently gone unless a web crawler/archiver or cache has been maintained for our site, and many of us are just trying to start everything again from scratch since he won't lift a finger otherwise. I'm affected too, because a lot of my Tales Cycle and arte name rants have vanished, and that Winxfan thread which exemplies everything terrible about his very existence also disappeared from possible dissemination by the Wikia crew. But it's clear Bantegui doesn't even take this series seriously since he's more interested in pushing Tekken while leaving us to rot.

All I can say is that the past 20 months aren't coming back. Try as we might to get things cleared up, we're being forced to work with a community manager who doesn't care about us, or worse, pretends to do so. On the flip side, Lunar can now IP ban people again, since that capability was taken away from him -by- Bantegui, who added a bunch of other changes to the site which reduced Lunar's admin capabilities just like mine were reduced by Wikia Central through its own sitewide "updates". We can also write in non-ASCII letterings once more without using workarounds, which is convenient. Still, this could have been the perfect opportunity to update the forums, and I think that even a full wipe would be accepted if it meant that the PHPBB software would be updated to its most recent version instead of the one we've had since 2004. But of course they wouldn't do something like that, because that's just too nice.

Lunar Will Kresnik jokes aside, I guess our community really did get hit with one of his Bad Ends.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:07, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Whoa, I'm not a member of the forums, but I understand how disastrous this is. I'd like to say I hope everything gets fixed, but from what you've said... =\ Moviebaby (talk) 18:56, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Any update on this? Moviebaby (talk) 04:35, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * No changes. Mr. Bantegui claimed two weeks ago that he would try to get people to restore the forums as soon as the Thanksgiving holiday is done (clearly a blatant lie), and naturally nothing has happened on that front. Btw I've been without the net for a full week, and I'm at a wifi place only now since I've been far too busy to go out of my way to get online access during the past few days due to a major irl event I was involved with. Internet cafes are kinda costly per hour, and I don't really trust them. I'm happy to see that fixes are being made to the pages I couldn't monitor during my absence, and there is very little I see that needs to be changed on my own. I was gonna reply on the MoS talk page but my post was eaten by a wifi reset so nvm, I need to check my other obligations. I'm also here to pass on a warning to watch out for Winxfan since his ban duration ends in a couple of days, since the TSF community's kiwi taunts clearly aren't enough to get him to disappear from anything Tales-related online.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:50, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

More Info
Hey, I wanna ask something. ToX2 has a lot of endings, like ToS: DoTNW. So, if I want to write it, should I write it in the ToX2 page? Or the character page?

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 23:22, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Please do us a favor and refrain from writing anything. Moviebaby (talk) 23:39, November 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Info about the endings themselves go on the game's own page. The differences that affect specific characters goes on their own pages, only as much as they are contextually involved in those ends. Common sense. But don't use names for the endings, which have been made up by the community, like "semi-good" or whatnot because there -are- no names for the endings, and everything may as well be a bad end except for the cam one. Just use "one ending" or something to that effect. For that matter, DotNW should be changed accordingly.


 * But as long as you aren't creating new pages and you write in a sensible way that doesn't require us to rewrite the whole thing for you, idgaf.


 * Edit - And don't add anything that can be construed as a walkthrough or guide.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 00:21, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, why would I create a new page just to write endings? Anyway, what do you mean writing a walkthrough or guide? Is it something like, the players have to go here, or there to reach this, or such as pressing L1 to get the good ending, or press R2 to get the true ending...

Stuffs like those?

GamerGirlzPS2 (talk) 11:53, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

i'm sorry
I am still new to this, not even if I'm making this post good. I just want to contribute to this site ,did not want to cause any trouble. I learned my lesson and will not happen again, forgive me?

--RZX (talk) 03:51, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Gaius and Musee
Hi, I was wondering if you could make a own page for them after what the two have appeared in two games have earned that right, ¿can it? but if you can not, ¿who else could do it?

--RZX (talk) 02:36, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Alternate/Parallel World Milla
Apparently Parallel World Milla can use her mystic arte if you play ex new game and carry everything into the next game, including skills. The point is, if you carry the skills from Milla Maxwell into the ex new game you can apply them to Parallel Milla allowing her to use Supreme Elements and Rebirth Crusader (apparently it's a glitch? I dunno). She has the incantation for Supreme Elements from Xillia 1 but it is slightly different at the beginning and end. So, I was thinking of adding it onto the Supreme Elements page.

Here's the difference: Original (from Xillia 1; Milla Maxwell): 始まりの力、手の内に! 我が導となり、こじ開けろ! スプリームエレメンツ!! From Xillia 2 (Parallel Milla): 貰った！始まりの力、手の内に! 我が導となり、こじ開けなさい! スプリームエレメンツ!!

--水のウォーリー (talk) 23:02, November 26, 2012 (UTC)水のウォーリー


 * It wouldn't be a glitch, rather a possible oversight that wasn't taken into consideration or ignored outright, or even a feature for future playthroughs. Abyss did something similar with having Luke learn Radiant Howl after a certain event, but his artes and skills can be carried into a new game to enable him to use the arte while he still has long hair at the beginning of the game, even with a change in the cut-in image. It isn't natural in terms of story but it's a new game bonus, which is also the case for Alt Milla.


 * So yeah, add it in.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:54, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for your warm welcome. ^w^ And you're welcome for the Dancing Swallow thing~ I fully intend to help contribute toward the ToS:DotNW articles. Like, I have my Wii on and everything and I plan on using it as a base to contribute. Unfortunately, I do not have the japanese translations for each of the Artes and whatnot, and I don't exactly know how to reference the game itself. (This is my first wiki I've actually contributed to. XP) It would totally help if I could have some first-timer tips and tricks so I don't create a huge mess. XD

Prince Flare (talk) 20:50, December 1, 2012 (UTC)Prince Flare

Tales of Xillia Compatability.
Hello, I know I am taking a risk here but here it goes:

I am going to get a backward compatable PS3 for my birthday and I need an answer on this: Will a Tales of Xillia game disc work on one of the older models? Because I do not wish to get another one if it doesn't.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 00:49, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

I can't really speak for Mayu, but I don't see why it wouldn't work on an older model. If it was PS1 or PS2 game or something, then I would have doubts to its playability, but I assume that all PS3 games work on all PS3 models. Are you going to import Xillia or get the US release? I'm going to purchase the English release too, so I can be of help with the articles.

I'm not even sure Mayu owns a PS3. She lives overseas somewhere and she apparently rarely has internet. MabiEditor (talk) 03:20, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, that's exactly why I'm getting the PS3, to play the US release of Tales of Xillia once it comes out.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:24, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

You can also get Graces f, Abyss PS2, and Legendia with a backwards compatible PS3. Have you played them yet? MabiEditor (talk) 03:20, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

No, Abyss for 3DS which is basically the same thing, and no. But it is good to know. And knowing is half the battle. Let's continue this on your talk page as we don't want to upset Mayu.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 03:27, December 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's better to keep conversations on one place regardless of where it is, so that the topic is not spread on multiple pages like yet another recent Winxfan-initiated conversation with someone else, but whatevs. It's not like my repeated emphasis of these things is ever observed anyway. As it was mentioned, I do not have any HD-capable system other than a glorious master race PC, and even that has its shortcomings when I deal with power outages and network failures on a regular basis during rainy season, and even outside of it as the recent Pablo showed us all. (I don't know or care what the international name of the typhoon is so yeah.) I literally just got my net back here at home after three weeks, and it's hella costly to go to a net cafe for even a couple of hours a day to deal with stuff that I prioritize more. Fuck Globe for failing to send a technician here TWICE.


 * Lack of sage'd blogpost aside, I'll get back into the groove of the wiki thing soon enough. I still have other matters to take care of now that I'm back on my virtual feet... supposing this actually lasts for a decent amount of time. New Xill2 stuffs coming eventually, next weekend at earliest, since I think the work I started doing for Leia a month ago is already outdated by far.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:21, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Edit - And you still haven't learned not to spam your articles on the pages of whomever would talk to you positively. There is really only one Xillia authority here, and his focus is not on content articles in the first place. Good for him, since he can completely ignore you and do what he knows is actually needed given what he has access to. You would do well not to assume that anyone is "in charge" of specific tasks anyway - the only "in charge" group on this wiki is the official Tales Series Forum, which I answer to and act on behalf of. And you already know how receptive they are of you and your kiwi ideas.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:37, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it just so happens, for a while, we talked about the idea of another Tales of Vesperia movie. This time, with Judith as the main character. In this movie, we learn about the creation of Hermes Blastia, Judith's birth, befriending Ba'ul, the destruction of Temza, her time in Myorzo, training (which also shows her growing up), and ending with her donning her Dragon Rider armor and riding into the sunrise.

And I apologize for posting the same bad quality Presa article again. Anyway, Mabi already informed me that the Xillia game disc should work, even on an older system so I should not have anything to worry about. But just in case, I'll get Graces f to see if it'll work. Still I really hope that Xill1 is released in America near my July birthday, I really don't want to wait until next Christmas to get it. Oh and Merry Christmas.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:12, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
Hello. I just like to wish you and everyone here a Merry Christmas.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 14:50, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Merry Corpsemas.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:30, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

You can't be nice to me, even today. Unless this is a practical joke. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 01:52, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * 'tis a joke. I would have put the video to Merry Slavemas, but LK's channel got banhammered by Youtube again due to copyright claims on what should be fair use... which is why I'm so strict about anything copyright-inclined to avoid letting these things happen to us too.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:54, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

I see. Well, here's to 2013, the releases of Tales of Hearts R in Japan and Tales of Xillia in America and Europe.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 04:19, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Arte Screenshots
Given the quality of images on the Bassaizan Ayami, Supreme Elements, and Revere Go Round pages, I was thinking I would screen cap my own artes in-game so we don't have these terrible youtube caps laying around. I know these pages aren't high priority, but damn those screenshots are ugly. This is the quality of the default PS3 screencapper.

http://i.imgur.com/7ThWh.jpg

This particular screenshot has Milla with her alt. color ToX costume, and a Jude doll attachment. It would be preferable with the default costumes, but would it also be acceptable with something like this?

http://i.imgur.com/icefK.jpg

It seems rather unreasonable actually, but posting for the dawww factor. Are there any other things in-game that aren't artes that you want screenshots of?

JoeTang (talk) 07:53, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Default costumes are ideal, and the artes should be action screencaps preferably at the arte's climax, not mere photo-ops. You can upload the photo-ops, but they should be put on each char's individual page like the cut-ins, because they basically -are- additional cut-ins without the animu graphic pasted on top. For Pinkest~o, a shot of Ludger slashing into an enemy with the pink scythe is sufficient.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:51, December 31, 2012 (UTC)