User talk:Winxfan1

Welcome
Hi, welcome to Aselia! Thanks for your edit to the ToS:DotNW - Filifolia family: Evolutions page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Mayu Miyuki (Talk) 16:38, 2011 November 23

Your recent contributions
With all due respect, we will not be using your format for our pages at all. "General information" regarding monsters must be displayed in a table format using our standard list page design. An example of such a page can be found on ToS - Monster Book. Data is displayed most clearly in this way, and it can be organized according to user preference due to sortable column functionality.

Your method of display is not just wordy and inconsistent with our existing pages, it also makes inefficient use of space, creating a lot of whitespace areas when viewing the page using the NOT "Wikia New Look" skin, the always superior Monobook skin which is the only skin that we will support on this wiki (because **** that Oasis skin and all the garbage and page width limitations it adds to pages for the sake of social nonsense).

Unfortunately, since I do not want these pages to be propogated any further, I will have to delete them. I will give you an opportunity to save your data for your continued private use, but the pages will be deleted by the end of this week, guaranteed. In other words, do not waste your efforts to make more of these kinds of pages, or even to edit the ones that you had already published. Instead, it would be great if you revise and collate the information onto a single page using the format I have provided through that Monster Book page from the prequel game, and if you do not have enough knowledge about how to manipulate MediaWiki source code to make the pages fit the kind of information you want to display, just do your best by editing the existing source code on that page. Of course, you may continue to ask for my help on anything you might need. I will probably clean up the pages myself anyway once they are published, since certain aspects like the necessary Japanese text are always required in my view, even if you don't have access to that knowledge.

Furthermore, these tables will only list the default statistical data of the creatures under the "Normal" difficulty setting and without experience modifiers of any kind. Any alterations to those stats on higher difficulties or whatever other conditions are usually proportionally increased, and the multipliers themselves should be listed on a completely different page for which we still have no working format at this time - the page that should take up the "System" link on the navigation templates for every game. In other words, the stats of different difficulties and whatnot are too extraneous to list, and it is better to omit them entirely. Only the base values are relevant and needed.

Oh and, welcome to the wiki and all that, please disregard the welcome message bot which I hate and cannot disable, and please review the rules ennumerated on the Manual of Style and take note of our priorities. I'm starting to feel more and more like that useless bot every time I say this. :'(

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 05:26, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

I forgot to mention this. Regarding individual images for specific monsters, this is instantly denied. We will not be creating individual pages for any monster or family of monsters, as this is an extensive project which would only serve to inundate this wiki with even MORE stubs and effectively useless pages on top of those which we already have. Don't be idealistic about it by thinking you can do everything on your own - that's how I made the first 500+ pages for individual artes before I realized that this wiki has more important things to deal with, and I probably would have banned myself for making those many pages and helping to expand a bad trend if I had the powers and attitude I have now.

Therefore, images related to individual creatures become largely pointless, as there will be no article which would display those images efficiently. Again, all data must be displayed in a table format, and images are simply not allowed in these tables due to formatting concerns and the workarounds we have to do to make the information fully visible on that terrible "Wikia New Look" skin which no one should be using anyway. Pictures add more weight to the tables, as well as contributing to increased loading time for people with slower net connections, including myself due to where I now live. So pictures of the monsters themselves are not a worthy project to invest in, and that effort is better spent dealing with other priorities instead.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 05:37, November 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * By 'saving for private use', I meant that if you need to preserve the data you posted on your computer (if you haven't already), I am giving you a chance to do so. If you don't need to do that, then just tell me if I can delete those pages right away.


 * As for some minor semantics - do keep in mind that since this is a monster book, it should display all enemies, not just the capturable ones, but also the bosses, the humans and half-elves in particular. Just like with the first Symphonia's monster book page, the boss enemies will belong in their own section. What does -not- need its own section are separations for each family of creature - that is the entire point of the "Family" column of the table. If you separate everything into different sections based on family, the sortable functions won't work. And the Japanese text -is- required. If you don't know where to get the Japanese text, I will do it myself. But we will not make pages "without them" because they are absolutely necessary on any and all of our list-type pages, as those pages serve as a translation resource.


 * And finally, there is no "you" on this wiki. All articles must be written in a third person context; words such as "you" and "I" are forbidden outright. It is not "you" who does things in the game, it is the party. And in this case, since this monster list is universal and applies to all enemies regardless of if they can be captured or not, that sentence does not need to be there at all.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:32, November 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * I provided a basic design for the columns to be used. If there is any more data that should be described, please let me know, but I think I provided a space for everything important.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 13:35, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

>[...] but there's also the odds of making a pact with them
 * It's on the page already.

>how much Exp they're worth (no multipliers involved)
 * It's on the page already.

>their max level
 * It's on the page already.

>the levels they evolve at
 * The minimum levels are listed within the Previous Evolution column. (It's on the page already.)

>what they evolve into and what they evolved from
 * What they evolve from is on the page already. What they evolve to can be discovered with a bit of searching, so that's mostly repetitive info.

>a little description about each monster wouldn't hurt either
 * It hurts a lot. There is no more space on the page, and description content really cannot fit anywhere, on any of our list type pages. I did propose a solution for that before, but with the effort it would take to implement it on all pages (technically creating new pages that mirror each and every list-type page that exists), it's just too much of a problem to worry about in the near (or far) future.

>Also, I bet you played ToS:DotNW so you must know the levels at which a monster evolves (or de-evolves) into it's starter form.
 * I did play the game. But it was so long ago, so I don't remember details like that. I can't check the game for that sort of thing on my own either, since I left behind all of my games and consoles in the US when I moved overseas. Besides, DotNW is not exactly a game I found to be memorable when compared to other titles in the series. I don't even consider myself to be a fan of the Tales series these days, but no one cares about my ranting about the Tales Cycle on the official forums so...

>BTW, would the ten statues in ToS:DotNW be classified as equipment or other.
 * I don't even remember anything about statues. Sorry.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:07, November 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well actually, the evolution levels you were asking about are listed on the Japanese source that was added to the References section of that page. Since the info is there, you don't have to test everything on your own unless you really want to. I can fill in the missing data since I can read Japanese, so you can omit anything you need to. The same applies to the Japanese text for the creature names. As for the statue thing, okay, now I kinda remember what those were used for, and I changed the way the previous evolutions are displayed on that table to allow the statue things to be mentioned when they are required.


 * The only data that is not recorded elsewhere, as far as I can tell, is the base stat data. I know that the stats can change due to herbs and level ups and repeated evolutions back to the starter form, but what I want are the stats that the creatures start with when they are caught for the first time in the wild. Oh, and I just remembered that DotNW has a different stat system from earlier games in the series like Symphonia, so I'm going to make one quick change before I go to sleep. Different time zones and all that.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 14:30, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Statues are equipment. If I remember correctly, they are accessories. Lanate (talk) 20:06, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, warning time. You will not use other people's talk pages as a dump site for information that I already told you I do not want on this wiki. If I wanted to make the page for you, I would have done so by now, using MY preferred resources, which are almost entirely Japanese in origin since I absolutely do not care about the localization status of ANY of the Tales games, other than the arte names that such localizations create. If you didn't already realize it, my talk page is MASSIVE as it is, and it is actually separated into five different pages already, four of which are archives of previous years which are linked at the top of my talk page. I do not need 13,000 additional text characters to be added to the current version of that talk page, especially with content formatted in a way that I already told you is terrible and why it is. Keep it for your own records, and format it in the way that this wiki requires if you choose to publish it here (by "here" I mean on the correct page, and not someone else's own talk page), or don't post it at all.

I have deleted that entire block of text. No, I will not be using your information, because I have more important things to worry about. I just got home from some important real life matters, and this is NOT what I needed to see when I refreshed the Recent Changes page just a few minutes ago. It's your job (or whoever else is up to the task) to complete the table. I only provided the basics so that you know what to do and how to format things. And that's why I find it absolutely puzzling why you would delete the "Puchipuri" bit that was already on the page. That is what the Japanese text says. If you read through the Manual of Style link I already provided to you yesterday, you would see that not only is the Japanese text always required, their transliterations must also be listed if the localized name happens to be different in any way, even if it's anything as basic as tense or plurality for things written in katakana. I added what you deleted from that page back in, and I also added "Fungal", because again, that is the Japanese name of the creature, which must be displayed because we are a translation resource.

I'm sorry if I seem more than irritable right now, but I really don't want to care about this whole thing. Again, DotNW is a game I'd rather forget, and while there are worse games, even in the Tales series, that does not make it any more favorable in my mind. Add to this the fact that I haven't eaten in over 30 hours, I'm on a deadline for something that must be completed tomorrow (should have been yesterday), and that I just want to vent some anger right now. I apologize if my attitude is scaring you off, but really, this is how I act around here normally - you simply got to meet the more appreciative and open-minded version of myself yesterday.

Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:54, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

>For accessories, uhhh, you work on the chart for that, I'll stick to finding info.
 * No. I already told you I'm busy with other things, both on this wiki and outside of it. Now that I see the sudden flood of edits that another two users just happened to make while I have been away from the net during this whole day, it looks like I have to resume my usual wiki janitor duties to wade through the potential [janitor analogy goes here] and clean all of it up if necessary (and it usually is). I mean, you yourself are making pages that are pointless to have if you won't bother to finish them to a state of near completion. If you won't take that effort, then you should not create the page, because instead of doing the work you set aside the time to complete, you are instead making YET ANOTHER pointless stub on this wiki that someone else has to complete for you, like one other user had the unfortunate task of doing to your newly created page for mittens. You added ONE ENTRY to that page - you may as well not have made a page at all, and left it as a red link. I find myself saying this so many times to many different people, but I would rather have red links than pages with so little info that they may as well be red links to begin with!

>Everyone has to contribute. I feel like Emil in so many ways.
 * Contribute by working on one thing at a time. You said you would be working on the monster list. Do the monster list. Don't spread your efforts around and do not publish your half-efforts for everything in sight, because then everything becomes a half-effort instead of a few fully complete pages and a few red links. I hate doing work for others, or forcing others to do that same work instead of the person who starts something and then vanishes for whatever reason. For instance, several of those pages for Tales of Innocence were started by one guy who actually waits several months before making some other edit. The pages he created simply amounted to one section or a few entries out of several, and finally I got so fed up with it that I rushed everything that needed to be done in those pages within a day or two, complaining the entire way through. If you continue this, it would be as if I made the monster list and everything else, just like I had to do with those Innocence pages, and your contributions become practically nothing.


 * So please, by all means, finish what you start. Do not branch off into other things, or you are wasting not your own time, but my time and that of others who share my view. Leave the red links alone until you can commit to completing the pages on their own merit. Ideally, you should not even publish anything until it is at a near-complete state, if not already perfection incarnate (which requires Japanese text and romanizations, and fixed width mods to override the useless features of the "Wikia New Look" skin). Otherwise, everyone -is- contributing, except for you, unless you consider stubs to be a contribution. I do not. In fact, I see stubs as a negative contribution, which, again, means that I'd rather have the "zero", the red links themselves.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:37, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reminder Page
This is so I don't forget about what to add when the time comes: Lake Sinoa Cave: Box 1: Life bottle. Category: Consumables Box 2: 300 Gald Box 3: Mittens. Category: Mittens Box 4: Cape. Category: Accessories Box 5: Apple Gel. Category: Consumables Box 6: Bandanna. Category: Bandannas

Tower of Mana: Box 1: Cocoon. Category: Synthesis Materials Box 2: Red Ribbon. Category: Ribbons