User talk:Arosia/Archive 10

My recent contact with Wikia Staff
I recently wrote up an appeal to have the Tales of Wiki and Talespedia closed. The Staff member who handled my case closed the Tales of Wiki since it was dead but said there was nothing he could do about Talespedia. Understandable. Duplicate wikis on the same exact things are frowned upon, but they are not against Wikia's terms. I will remind everyone that the admin of that wiki feigned ignorance of ours despite copying our content, which again, isn't against Wikia's terms as long as they reference it. However, they did not. When creating the ToB character pages, I decide to do the same and take their very basic and common knowledge of said characters to create our own pages for them, all while referencing them, making changes myself to the work, and knowing full well that these articles would change over time.

I was met with vandalism when this happened, so I decided to contact the admin myself to discuss the matter. Not only did they refuse to cooperate, but they deleted my post and permabanned me on that wiki. Cool. So now, Talespedia, a failure of a wiki, whose only contributor is essentially the admin, who spams stub articles every now and then, probably copying more of our content, will likely become a haven for rogue users when, once in a blue moon, they show up here thinking they can do whatever only to find out they are sorely mistaken. Our friend HollowIchigo58 has made his way to Talespedia, taking a few our images with him, the very images I requested permission from the owners for their use on this wiki. But wait, there's more.

Addressing all these issues to the Staff member who assisted me, I wondered to myself exactly to what extent are duplicate wikis frowned upon. Not very much, and even with their negligence in regard to citation and referencing, a person would have to go through great lengths for any action to be taken against them. I suppose they're not really doing anything wrong. They're free to have that wiki, do things their way, and ban who they want. Just like us. Cool. But what about those images? People scan them, crop and edit them, forbid reposting. I was very specific when I asked Staff about this, and here's their answer:


 * We're not in a position to offer legal advice, but in a general way I can answer some of your questions.


 * Only the original copyright owner owns the copyright. People who scan, crop, or otherwise alter the work are potentially infringing that copyright, although in the wiki context many such examples would fall under fair use. That said, at most though they are creating what's called a "derivative work", the copyright to which belongs exclusively to the original creator. While I can understand and appreciate the great efforts that go into collecting and cataloguing them, the same fair use that allows you to do so would apply to anyone else reusing the images you have made.

What he just said, basically, is that anything created by Bamco is their copyrighted material, and no one else can infringe upon that, even through derivative works. Screenshots, artwork, scans, everything. The reason I'm writing all of this is because it's something I had wondered myself. That being said, I still feel it is polite and respectful to request permission for scans and such, things that require effort on the uploader's part, and I will always stand by citation and referencing, as this offers a convenient way to trace images' origins. I've never requested permission for YouTube video screenshots, as I've never found that necessary, but I will always link back to them.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Tales of Wiki is closed, Talespedia is not and will be staying open, and I will continue doing what I've always done when it comes to images. I'm glad the Staff member who assisted me took the time to answer my questions, and I hope this clears things up for future reference.

Arosia (talk) 01:24, February 14, 2017 (UTC)

Minor info added to Zaveid's page
Heya, I just added some info/trivia (it's actually more of a reference between ToB and ToZ) to Zaveid's page. For now I added it under the Trivia section, since I didn't know where else to put it. If you want it placed somewhere else let me know and I'll change it (or you can move it if you want). It's not really massively useful info, but I thought it was a pretty neat reference that took place between these two games. -- Ryudo300 (talk) 21:14, February 18, 2017 (UTC)

That's fine. Thank you.

Arosia (talk) 21:22, February 18, 2017 (UTC)

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Hi sorry - i just saw that there were messages about formatting in my page -- my apologies, didn't try to mess anything up just trying to update with info. I have re-read the policies and understand better now. Also saw that you un-did the links that i had added to Oscar's page. Understood that not all enemy artes need links but shouldn't the arts that HAVE pages have links?


 * They have different Japanese names, therefore are different artes. Lanate (talk) 04:19, February 19, 2017 (UTC)

ToG location images deletion
I'm curious as of why you decided to delete location images for ToG. Is it maybe because we lack articles for them?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:58, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

I didn't like them. Most had the protagonists in the shot, and I felt they just weren't necessary, particularly with the lack of pages and how I'm structuring the country pages, including dungeons on them. I've always preferred scans for scenic images, and I feel what I uploaded is enough.

Arosia (talk) 22:20, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

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Regarding TotR, I would be able to help out whenever I'm free, as during events, I will be busy in the F/GO Wiki. Fortunately for me, not much translations are needed to be done, since most of the main aspects are just recycled versions from other Tales titles, eg : the Artes and Weapons. At first I wanted to sort the weapons by weapon type, but then I just realized it was impossible to do so, since there was no such filter in the game in the first place. I do have a friend who is also an Admin of F/GO Wiki that likes The Tales series, he can do a lot of image cropping whenever he is free. Thanks for the fixes.

That's fine. Thank you.

Arosia (talk) 02:59, March 22, 2017 (UTC)

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Tales of Zestiria The X Anime, Seems like it's going to have a rushed ending with only 2 seasons.--Carnegg (talk) 14:30, March 22, 2017 (UTC)

I'm not surprised.

Arosia (talk) 23:14, March 22, 2017 (UTC)

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Unless what I have written was a complete lie, then you have no right to delete it. If you think it is out of order my words or contributions, then begin adding the correct ones yourself. Sure I know this place possibly have many different rules, than other wikia. But it is suppose to be an info site, or am I wrong?

Out from what I read I can barely make up anything at all. I am not one of those people with photography memory so I can't remember everything from the game.

As far as Laphicet's info, it is still the unborn child's soul, so he is still technically Artorius' son.

It's hard to tell if it was a lie or not, to be honest. You don't write that coherently, and you threw that random information into that section without any regard to the chronological events detailed prior. Do not tell me what to do. You will not come on this wiki and throw a tantrum because your edits were reverted. Laphicet is not Artorius's unborn child, just as Seres is not Celica, hence the separate pages. Just because they were reincarnated does not mean they are the same person, regardless if some memories carried over or not.

Arosia (talk) 02:43, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

Begin... Talking. What is wrong with what I have written?

If you are that avid of a fan then speak up. I have no idea what in the world you want. But everything regarding the series, the info it is completely lacking.

So unless you can give me a legitimate reason, then you have no right to delete what I write or add. At least I try to contribute.

I am sorry if my adding info isn't perfect for your standard.

I've already explained above. I do have the right to delete what you write or add, and in case you're wondering why, take a look at what it says next to my username at the top of my profile. I don't ask for perfect, but it's obvious that English isn't your first language, and some of the facts you're adding are either unnecessary or already in the article. Also, sign your posts.

Arosia (talk) 08:59, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

Translation
Hello,

I'm Xereste, a moderator of Tales of the Rays, and I would like to know if I can take some of your weapons/magic mirrors translation to put them on the wiki?

Sincerely, Xereste.

Une personne de l’ombre (talk) 08:58, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

Sure thing. Go for it.

Arosia (talk) 09:30, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! :D

Sincerely, Xereste

Xereste (talk) 10:22, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

Lmfao


Arosia (talk) 03:59, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

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My Apologies Arosia, I am sorry in case what you may have find to be a misunderstanding, but with all do respect, I am just trying to be helpful, with, of, or at certain things that I would know, find on official sites, or something not offensive to improve the wiki. For instance who was Melchior Mayvin's English voice actor? English not Japanese.

Sonic2479 (talk) 06:31, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

English VAs must be credited via official sources such as the VA's personal site or social media.

Arosia (talk) 07:53, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

Number Crunching Auldrant's Physical Characteristics
Hello Arosia. I used to be a frequent contributor here who went by the name of BurningFlameHaze, but unfortunately I have long since lost that account. This is my new one.

Anyway, I'm here because I've done the math on Auldrant's physical characteristics using its diameter on its official structural diagram, which was listed at approximately 11,470 km. After some number crunching, I've managed to compile the planet's actual properties. Here are the results.

Auldrant
 * Mass: 0.729 Earth Masses
 * Radius: 5,735 km (0.900 Earth Radii)
 * Density: 5.52 g/cm3
 * Surface Area: 413.1 Million Square km
 * Surface Gravity: 0.91 Gs
 * Roche Limit: 1,500 km

I've also determined its distance from its star (Rem) based on its 765-day year as well as the type of star it orbits around.


 * Semi-Major Axis (Average Distance From Star): 1.72 AU (Astronomical Units)
 * Parent Star's Spectral Class: F8V
 * Parent Star's Mass: Roughly 1.16 Solar Masses
 * Parent Star's Luminosity: Roughly 2.04 L Sun

So, what do you think? Should I also show this info on AbyssalChronicles? Because I think its important for Tales fans to know about this as it will add additional information on Auldrant's worldbuilding.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 05:10, June 28, 2017 (UTC)

Hello. That's an impressive amount of work. This information would be great added to the Auldrant page as trivia, and you're more than welcome to do so. Sharing the information on the AC forums would be nice as well.

My apologies Arosia but, the math I did on Auldrant was purely speculative and not really considered fact because there are no official sources describing the info. It was meant to be just a thought experiment based on what I found on the diagram, but I took it seriously because of severe lack of sleep. Plus, my math really isn't spot on since I'm not an expert on the subject. In other words, Auldrant's characteristics is just a theory. I'll remove the bit about it from the trivia section. I'm really sorry about this.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 13:48, June 29, 2017 (UTC)

Oh okay. Well if nothing else, you could post the information to the talk page?

Arosia (talk) 23:33, June 29, 2017 (UTC)

So, I've rechecked my calculations and came to the conclusion that, out of all of the properties, only Auldrant's radius and surface area are correct (since they correlate to Auldrant's listed diameter). Auldrant's mass, density, and surface gravity, on the other hand, are very unclear. The reason is because both a planet's mass and density are determined by its composition, and unfortunately, we know that Auldrant is made entirely of Fonons, which are themselves composed of the elements Shadow, Earth, Wind, Water, Fire, Light, and Sound. There is no absolute way I can measure Auldrant's composition from its "magic" elements. For that, I need the elements from the Periodic Table of Elements (Hydrogen, Carbon, Silicon, Iron, etc.), and there's no information regarding that. This also factors into surface gravity as well. However, we can safely assume that Auldrant's gravity is the same as Earth's, given the characters' listed weight in their profiles (assuming their weight is Earth-based and not Auldrant-based). I've also messed up with the calculations regarding Auldrant's supposed distance from its star based on its 765-day year, because I failed to take into account that the distance from the star and how much time the planet orbits is determined by its velocity in relation to the star's mass. Since we don't know the true properties of Auldrant's star Rem other than that it is simply "the Sun", there's no way I can accurately measure its distance. At the very least, I can say that Auldrant's star isn't the same star as our Sun, because if that were the case, Auldrant's year would be the same as ours (365 days). I would assume Auldrant's star would be a more luminous F-type star, with Auldrant's distance varying from either 1.64 AU to 1.81 AU, depending on the star's mass. The truth of the matter is that, this is just speculation since there's no info on the matter, and the true reason why Auldrant's year is 765 days is simply for Namco to reference its signature Japanese pun "na-mu-ko", with no significance to its actual orbital period whatsoever.

Sorry if this creates a headache, but, those are the facts. I can probably squeeze in Auldrant's radius and surface area into the trivia section, but the rest is speculation.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 02:32, July 2, 2017 (UTC)

Haha. Well, I trust your calculations, though I really can't say much since this is all a bit out of my field. Add what you're comfortable with adding. You seem to know the difference between fact and speculation, so I don't see a problem.

Arosia (talk) 03:14, July 2, 2017 (UTC)

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Hi! I'm quite late at addressing this, since after some months I finally noticed my edits were reverted. I'm still getting used to editing wikias and apologize for not seeing the policy page before making previous edits. I understand why most were reverted, but I am confused as to why there is an inconsistency between Dezel and Zaveid's pages. In Dezel's appearance section it says "Dezel is tall with tanned skin", however, Zaveid's page says in the trivia section that he is the "only tanned-skin playable character". I hope it isn't bothersome to bring up, but is there something that can be fixed about this? Nbmikoto (talk) 07:44, July 31, 2017 (UTC)

I don't remember what happened months ago, nor do I care. Fix what needs to be fixed if it bothers you. If there's something wrong with your edit, I will then fix it myself.

Arosia (talk) 01:00, August 1, 2017 (UTC)

ToZ/ToB geographical changes comparison
I'm considering putting a comparison of how the known world changed between ToB and ToZ, but I don't know if this information is needed (although I think some condensed information on a single page would be nice), and if you greenlight it, should it go to Glenwood page since technically ToZ is a sequel to ToB, so the changes should be highlighted there.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:08, August 6, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that's fine.

Arosia (talk) 10:11, August 6, 2017 (UTC)

Naming files for TotR costumes
Since a lot of costume pieces in the Rays share the same name among many characters I am wondering on how should I name the files since I want to add to costume icon to the articles. Should be it be something like "File:Costume Piece Name (TotR) Character Name.png"?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 11:19, August 11, 2017 (UTC)

I need to see examples to determine that. They will most likely need to be condensed more to avoid unnecessarily long file names. Where are you getting the images from? Can you link it to me?

Arosia (talk) 01:56, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

Tales of the Rays DMC on Tumblr is pretty good with keeping up with datamining stuff from the JP version and they have neatly organized stuff, like here (data regarding current global ToZ event with Mikleo/Edna for the JP version).—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:27, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

Alright. Now that I see how long some of these costume names are, I have an idea of how this should be done. I like your suggestion, so to set an example of how I would like them done, I'll show you the naming scheme for all of Ix and Mileena's costumes. When you categorize them, I want them all to be in a category titled "TotR Costume Icons", which will then be categorized in "TotR Icon Images".

Ix Nieves:
 * Starting Outfit Normal (TotR) Ix
 * Mirrist Formal Outfit (TotR) Ix
 * Starting Condition (TotR) Ix
 * Mirrist Formal Head (TotR) Ix
 * Dog Ears (TotR) Ix
 * Starting Outfit Weapon (TotR) Ix
 * Craltia (TotR) Ix
 * Penlight Saber Rays (TotR) Ix

Mileena Weiss:
 * Starting Outfit Normal (TotR) Mileena
 * Mirrist Formal Outfit (TotR) Mileena
 * Starting Condition (TotR) Mileena
 * Mirrist Formal Head (TotR) Mileena
 * Cat Ears (TotR) Mileena
 * Starting Outfit Weapon (TotR) Mileena
 * Pinky Mirror (TotR) Mileena

So to overview this, I like "[Costume Name] (TotR) [Character Name (first name only)]". This pattern should be consistent throughout all file names, even if there is an item that only belongs to one character. The costume name should never be more than three words, so you can see that I condensed the "Mirrist Formal" stuff by omitting the third word so that the fourth and more distinguishing word can be used instead. I also added a distinguishing word with the "Starting Outfit" stuff because there is a normal version and a weapon version.

I hope this gives you a good idea of what I want. I'll fix anything I see wrong and let you know. Plus if you have any questions or are unsure of something, you can always just ask me. One last thing. Do not bother with providing any description or source in the file information of these images. Since they are all coming from the same place, I will explain this in the category itself.

Arosia (talk) 21:13, August 12, 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you for your help.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:21, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

Quick question about old Guy Cecil edit
Hi there! I had contributed a trivia item to Guy Cecil's page a while back in order to help stop edit wars with regard to Guy's sword style at the time. I'm happy to see that the edit war has not resumed in the interim, but I was curious why this had been removed with no note in the history. Was it to avoid spoilers, or as part of some other policy that I'm not aware of? Just trying to avoid problems in the future. Thanks!

*If Luke is not in the party near the end of the game, but Guy is, Guy will have a conversation with Van about their respective fighting styles. It should be noted that the two incorrectly name their fighting styles, complete with voice acting for the error. This has led to some confusion about which style Guy uses. Contrary to popular belief, however, this is not the first time in which his style is referred to as the Albert style. Jade Curtiss refers to it as such after Guy's true origins are revealed.

Brevantes (talk) 20:03, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

Hello. This edit was five years ago, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't remember all the details. Back then, I was focused on cleaning and somewhat rehauling character pages since most of them had never been proofed or organized before. In doing so, I adjusted things to fit accordingly with newer policies of the wiki, such as the eventual removal of the "Relationships" section. If I had to guess, I'd say your edit was removed because it involved stating unintended information, a mistake in the game's development or localization, which plays no actual role in the overall scheme of things. However, reading it now, I don't really see a problem with it. You may add it back if you wish.

Arosia (talk) 20:12, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

TotR arte ordering
I noticed we have a rather random order in "Artes" section for every arte list for TotR which I suppose is due to the weapon order that is in the game. Would it be alright if we were to reorganize them (no subsections since the game doesn't really disntinguish artes that much), that first we put strike artes, the magic artes, and finally support artes? Strike and magic artes could be order in terms of increasing damage power.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 14:33, August 24, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, please do. All arte pages are supposed to follow some sort of order, and the fact that these don't, which I didn't notice, is a mistake on whoever started them's part.

Arosia (talk) 22:22, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * They were organized in order of Weapon Rarity -> CC Cost -> Power. Lanate (talk) 00:22, August 29, 2017 (UTC)

Oh. Well you can revert if you'd like. I think Kaimi only changed a handful. Up to you.

Arosia (talk) 06:28, August 29, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think we could put "(★#)" next to a weapon name to indicate its rarity if you think it's important. I think the reorder I did is more approachable to a regular mortal than you did because it's similar to the format to we employ in other arte list pages for playable characters. I only reordered characters who were released in global so far.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:37, August 29, 2017 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and sort by your method if you want. I just wanted to point out that it wasn't completely random; we do similar things when artes aren't learned in an ordered manner. Lanate (talk) 02:36, August 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't want to start a pointless edit war, let's just agree on something and be over it.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 11:06, August 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * ? I don't see any argument from me. Lanate (talk) 06:01, September 1, 2017 (UTC)

Interwiki links on arte pages
From what I've seen the German Wiki has changed the way they handle arte pages and each game has its own arte type page per game and no individual arte pages at all. Now probably all German Interwiki links for artes point to inexistent pages so we should probably remove those, although I think asking Combatir to confirm my sightings.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 11:06, August 31, 2017 (UTC)

That is for them to change, not us. They are responsible for the interwiki links. Plus, that is a massive task, one Lanate would have to use wiki voodoo for.

Arosia (talk) 00:54, September 1, 2017 (UTC)

Cameo costumes
So I saw you wondering if it is possible to list all cameo outfits on a single page minimizing the amount of information in characters' "Trivia" sections. Let me help you with it: Tales of Hearts R calls them "Legacy Costumes", Tales of Xillia 2 appears to call it "Tales of Costume Set", Tales of Zestiria calls them "Preorder items" because they were initially available via pre-order and individual outfits have their own unique names, Tales of Berseria calls them "Tales of Legacy Bundle" with individual outfits called "Legacy Outfit ". I think naming the article "Legacy Costume(s)" or "Legacy (Outfit(s)" would be okay, with probably redirects like "DLC costume" and similar linking to it.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 11:08, September 2, 2017 (UTC)

What actually needs to happen is a "Costumes" page needs to be created, elaborating on what costumes are and what role they play in the games. The Trivia sections are fine, so long as it is a single unit of trivia. A page dedicated to costumes, however, could go more in depth with what games they exist in, how they're obtained in those games, and what the game calls them. What the page should not include, however, would be listing each costume for each characters - that is the information that belongs on the individual character pages. But yes, if you want to make a "Costumes" page, you have my permission.

Arosia (talk) 02:33, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

It should also be noted that not all costumes are cameos. I believe Symphonia introduced costumes officially. Legendia has only a handful, and Abyss has several. Vesperia may very well have been the last game to have its main costumes obtainable in the game itself rather than through DLC or some other irl purchase method. I believe Innocence R, Hearts R, Graces, Xillia, Xillia 2, Zestiria, and Berseria are all adapted to this new method, but then again I honestly don't know because I've never looked into it. I do remember collecting costumes on Abyss though. Loved all of those.

Arosia (talk) 02:40, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Single unit. As in for anything involving cameo costumes.

Arosia (talk) 11:31, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

I'm seriously wanting to just use your legacy costumes table in the mainspace so we can forget about all this cameo costume referencing trivia on character pages. What happened to the idea I pitched at you? A page focusing on costumes and their appearances in each game, with possibly a table reference page as an extension. Why do you work so hard to make useless edits?

Arosia (talk) 12:44, September 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * Do we want to put all costumes on a single page then? Or only the legacy ones? Still, it will get pretty long so probably going with subpages or something similar would be a better choice as to not make it a wall of text-esque. Also, what should be the table color for costumes? Also, I don't mind you removing legacy outfits mentions from characters' Trivia as long as we have it documented somewhere.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:58, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Like. I. Said. There needs to be a "Costumes" page detailing their function and appearances. Legacy costumes are not the only costumes in the series. The page will discuss them, and then tables similar to what you have on your costumes work page can be applied as a page extension. This will detail all the legacy costumes and references, and we can figure something out for cameos of other games as well. All in one place is much better than spreading it all around and making a mess.

Arosia (talk) 13:02, September 3, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think we can start with moving the page from my userspace and I'll try to the best of my abilities to fill the page. Yes, the table will be slightly remodeled as I think game subpages would be preferable with each subpage having character sections, each with the following columns "Costume Name" (includes English, JP, and romaji), "Costume" (which would briefly describe what the outfit is based on or what it depicts), and "Acquirement" (self-explanatory).—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 13:48, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Am I doing this right?
If you don't mind me asking, what was unacceptable about my edits to the pages of Dhaos and Mint Adenade? All I did was add in the trivia section that they greatly resemble characters from Kosuke Fujishima's manga series Ah! My Goddess, which is true.

The only resemblance strong enough to be worth mentioning is Marller. Also, sign your posts using four tildes (~).

Arosia (talk) 22:49, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Like this? SynchroKingSharkDrake (talk) 01:02, September 4, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, like that.

Arosia (talk) 01:35, September 4, 2017 (UTC)

On the side note
What do you think of my personal Tales idea? Like with most of my personal crap it's incomplete btw. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 05:38, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

You've certainly put a lot of thought into it. No female party members?

Arosia (talk) 05:43, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

Allusions pages
I remember that once we discussed the possibility of putting Allusions pages into mainspace. Is is still considered? I'd like to note that I probably have some allusions missing on those pages in my userspace (especially regarding TotR), but you could consider them somewhat complete.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:44, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

I'm going to say no because your data pages are an absolute mess. They adhere to no order or structure, and there's just really no need for these facts to be in the mainspace when the actual useful or pertinent ones can simply serve as trivia. And no, that is not permission to spam trivia onto all character pages again. I have already weeded out the unnecessary. These are mostly obvious things and references that honestly no one cares about, and we don't need every fact and allusion to something else documented. It's simply not necessary. Your lists are wholly incomplete if we were going to denote every allusion anyway. It's a mess. It's a hassle. No. We don't need it.


 * The Sorcerer's Ring obtained from devouring Seres resembles the Sorcerer's Ring worn by Mieu.
 * Artorius's mystic arte is Savage Wolf Fury, which was once used by Yuri.

Case and point. Keep in mind those are just two random ones that I pulled out. Actually, I believe Mayu put it best when she commented about it on my talk page a while back:


 * On your "allusions", I find this to be mostly superfluous given how Tales games have a tendency to cross-reference past (and future!) games and other Namco/Bandai titles like iM@S, .hack, etc. Although there is a value to these pages, any kind of exhaustive list becomes 'more info than necessary', and I would want to have this content placed into the talk pages of each game rather than on a user workspace, both for accessibility and to prevent this content from being designated as pages of their own. This can be open to discussion but I don't want these stuck as a personal plaything.

Everything apart from the last bit, as it's not open to discussion. The answer is no. If anyone ever wants to open a discussion about these sort of things on the relevant talk page, that's what they're there for: perhaps to confirm a speculation or make note of a fact that is interesting but not relevant enough for the mainspace.

Arosia (talk) 21:43, September 9, 2017 (UTC)


 * Understood. However feel free to use to put any information you find on those Allusions pages to use if you find something worthy of mention somewhere in the mainspace. I'm trying to be somewhat moderate in what goes on those pages, I have a tendency to put a lot of detail into pages so there's that.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:46, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

Image source
I'm sorry, but I haven't noticed when it was changed to the formula regarding that a screenshot doesn't require a source. Trust me, I listen and I see that you value consistency very well. There is no need to get upset so much.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:49, September 13, 2017 (UTC)

TotR weapons and mirrages
Since there is a lot of 3★ and 4★ weapons as well as mirrages, you wouldn't mind if there were subpages for each per game, would you? I think we could go the subpage way like we do for ToLink hero units.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 11:21, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

More of a question for Lanate.

Arosia (talk) 20:00, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Tales of Mobile
I'll be finishing it up tomorrow because I need to sleep. Just didn't want to give the impression that I was done.

Arosia (talk) 09:15, October 2, 2017 (UTC)

Done, finally. I realize it may not seem like much, but that actually took a lot of time and work. I tried using the JP Wikipedia pages as reference for names that lack romanizations and terms, so they could very well be "off". Nonetheless, all that is done now.

Arosia (talk) 04:04, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

TotR Cut-ins
I'd like to upload cut-in images from TotR. Aside of putting "Category:TotR Cut-in Images" and the character category is there anything else I need to put in the image's description? The images all come straight from the game's data, they're not screenshots.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:56, October 12, 2017 (UTC)

Where are you getting them from?

Arosia (talk) 00:07, October 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * They are datamined images that can be found via talesoftherays subreddit and Tales of the Rays DMC on Tumblr.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 08:03, October 13, 2017 (UTC)

"No link provided. Datamined from the game." Or if the images are on the TotR Wiki, then just use and I'll cite it in the category.

Arosia (talk) 17:49, October 13, 2017 (UTC)

No, there are no raw cut-ins on the TotR Wiki, there are gacha mirrages (and they're really good looking if you haven't played the game (yet)) there that we could probably put here, but now my focus are cut-ins. Thanks.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:41, October 13, 2017 (UTC)

I was actually thinking of a gallery like this. Think you can do that?

Arosia (talk) 20:09, October 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, once I finish uploading all the currently released characters in global I'll do it.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:12, October 13, 2017 (UTC)

I was actually meaning doing that instead of adding them to their pages.

Arosia (talk) 20:15, October 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh. Then feel free to remove them from character articles.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:43, October 13, 2017 (UTC)

Reason I say that is because most characters' cut-ins from this game are the same as in their others. I'll remove them for all but the Rays-exclusive characters.

Arosia (talk) 20:56, October 13, 2017 (UTC)

Wanted pages
So I sometimes check Special:Wantedpages and I noticed some things that I'm not quite certain how should be dealt with, mainly: "Template:Welcome", "Category:Tales of Graces locations" (surprisingly it's a blue link), "Category:Stubs", "Template:Stub", "Template:Warning", "Aselia:Copyrights", "List of character-specific information", "Template:Delete", "Current events", "Category:Pages proposed for deletion", "Category:Summon Spirits", "Template:Image", "Gilgilum" (it's a misspelling of "Gilgulim", yes?), "Tales of the Abyss: The Animation", "水のウォーリー", "Category:Policy", "Talk:Community Portal‏", "Template:Infobox", "Category:Tethe'alla", "Talk:Tales of Phantasia walkthrough", "О черной магии", "Category:High Spells", "Category:Guides", "Aselia:Character-Specific Information‏", "Category:Fusionic Force Sorcery", "Template:Wikipedia", "List of Tales Battle Themes‏‎", "Category:Ras", "Category talk:Tales of the World Games", "Template:Reflist/doc‏‎", "Category:Healing Magic", "Template:CharInfo/Draft", "Category:Users", "Category:Playable Characters‏‎", "Category:Maps", "Template:CopyrightedFreeUse", "Category:Compound Special Attacks", "Aselia:Priority reminders‏", "Aselia:Priority reminders‏", and possibly a whole other bunch of other links. If it's not much trouble, do you think you could help me sort through them?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:03, November 4, 2017 (UTC)

I really don't have the time for this sort of stuff anymore, and I don't particularly see it as that great a deal. Would take a lot of time, and the cache only loads 1,000 results for me.

Arosia (talk) 20:53, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * For a lot of those, I think I'm ultimately uninterested in hunting down and editing the old conversations and pages that use those links unless they're mainspace. Lanate (talk) 00:20, November 6, 2017 (UTC)


 * Just popping in to agree and comment that old conversations should just stay as they are, even if formerly linked content disappears from the wiki or the web as a whole. Talk pages exist for the purpose of informal communication and info sharing outside of the scope of established wiki content, so they should not have to be policed to this extent. Save that effort for the actual content pages.


 * Then again, it doesn't matter to me if other users' profiles and talk pages are edited to remove red links or meet current consistency standards or whatever reasons may be contrived, though the affected users will be bothered by wiki notifications whenever these changes occur if the option has not been disabled in their user preferences. But I will request explicitly that all of the pages directly attached to my own username should be left unaltered to preserve what little historic value they might have.


 * Cheers.


 * Shallchair Bloodfallen (talk) 05:25, November 11, 2017 (UTC)

Reporting user FridayLambda for not following the Manual of Style.
A user by the name of FridayLambda has been creating pages for Tales of Berseria locations, and they were rife with a lot of grammar issues. I had to edit and revise two of the pages he created for Aball and Taliesin, and it was pretty clear that he's not following the Manual of Style. I don't want to fix every single page he creates because it would take up a lot of time, so something needs to be done about it.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 17:17, December 4, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll handle it.

Arosia (talk) 00:20, December 5, 2017 (UTC)

Location pages
I wanted your input before I unilaterally changed things. For location pages that have subtitles, I typically bolded the whole phrase when I made the Tales of Phantasia pages, like Arlee. The Berseria pages have sometimes just bolded the location name and sometimes bolded the whole phrase and super-bolded the location name. Do you have an opinion on which we should standardize to? Lanate (talk) 04:04, December 5, 2017 (UTC)

I like having the full phrase bolded if the Japanese is included in the nihongo template, if that makes sense.

Arosia (talk) 00:39, December 6, 2017 (UTC)

I fixed the few Berseria ones that weren't consistent with the rest.

Arosia (talk) 00:48, December 6, 2017 (UTC)

Expanding Tales of Berseria location pages.
I'll be doing a long term project to expand on Tales of Berseria's location pages and filling out missing information. Then, once that's done, I'll shift my focus into creating new location pages, since the list is incomplete and I don't want people to think that this wiki is unreliable. How's that sound?

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 06:02, December 6, 2017 (UTC)

That sounds great, and thank you for doing that. Locations have always been one of this wiki's weaker areas.

Arosia (talk) 00:25, December 7, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I've managed to expand on all the existing pages so far. Now I'll be creating new pages. Keep in mind that it's been a very long time since I created a page here, so if I make mistakes, I'll try to fix them as best I can. Someone else will have to handle the Japanese translation of the location names though, because that's beyond my knowledge.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 21:33, December 8, 2017 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for your hard work.

Arosia (talk) 01:15, December 9, 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I have a question. Should the Empyrean's Throne and Artorius's Throne in Tales of Zestiria be one page? They're practically the same exact location, just two games and one-thousand years apart.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 00:17, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

I honestly don't mind either way so would like to hear some other opinions. Lanate? Kaimi? Anyone else?

Arosia (talk) 00:48, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I'll ask them for their opinions.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 01:13, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Glad it was decided. Separate sounds the best to me.

Arosia (talk) 18:11, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. Kaimi told me to keep them separate to avoid clustered information and major spoilers, while Lanate preferred it to be separate like the malak and seraph pages. Also, my apologies if The Empyrean's Throne page seemed a bit rushed. I was getting ready to go to work by the time I was writing it, so I could only squeeze in what I could in a limited amount of time. I'll finish the rest of the history section in the evening when I have more time.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 19:10, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Boss Pages
So, I've recently seen your ToE - Bosses page, and I think it's a great idea to list the bosses and their stats, since I feel this wiki is lacking on enemy and boss info. This has got me thinking to create a page for Tales of Berseria bosses, so would you mind if I do the honors for that page?

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 23:44, December 16, 2017 (UTC)

What we normally do is create enemy/monster list pages that encompass all foes in the game, but as you can imagine, this is a large feat that we have only managed for a few games. I think having boss lists in addition to these enemy lists is a good idea because it offers something more exclusive that users may find useful. You are more than welcome to create a page for Berseria bosses, provided you adhere to the table format we use for these pages. I think we even have images for all the bosses from Berseria, taken from the very source where you can find/use all the statistical data. I'll add any needed/remaining images once the page is created.

Arosia (talk) 01:35, December 17, 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. The list you linked is incomplete though, as it's missing many of the optional bosses, code red daemons, and dire foes. I'll have to check up my game's enemy book to complete the list.

Also, the bosses from the Heavenly Steppes are out of my range, since I've only gotten as far as the Hexen Isle part of the dungeon before my party was wiped out. Someone else will have to handle the Heavenly Steppes bosses.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 01:46, December 17, 2017 (UTC)

That's fine. You can just do what you're able.

Arosia (talk) 01:49, December 17, 2017 (UTC)

My apologies but, the table format is too difficult for me to figure out. I think I'll stick with the location pages because they're much simpler to handle. I can see why you told me that it is a large feat to accomplish.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 11:01, December 17, 2017 (UTC)

It's okay lol. I may wrestle with it if I have the time. Just wanted to play around with the idea and experiment first.

Arosia (talk) 18:39, December 17, 2017 (UTC)

Ok. Just a heads up, but I got a flu right now. That means I'll be taking a break from making location pages for a few days until I recover from it.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 23:44, December 17, 2017 (UTC)