User talk:Mayu Miyuki


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Redone
I deleted my progress chart though now I don't know where else to put it other than here. I changed the gallery format on my user page. It stays. And you never seemed to mind my edits, bad as they were you accepted my Zaphias, Cados and Ghasfarost articles. Plus, I managed to get Vesperia localized descriptions and incantations for some artes. This is a problem. Now I have to start from my file 1. All that progress gone, all because of my stupid actions. I even wrote up a Phaeroh's Crag which you're not gonna like, then again, you never like anything I post. Bottom like, the gallery on my userpage stays.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 02:56, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * >though now I don't know where else to put it
 * Put it on your computer where we can't see it. Don't put it on Aselia. Make a livejournal account if you're that emphatic about blogging. And stop replying on others' pages and put replies on the section where the conversation is created for the sake of following conversations without shifting back and forth between two pages. It's bad for archival and referencing purposes, and I don't give a damn about what other sites' policies are.


 * >bad as they were you accepted my Zaphias, Cados and Ghasfarost articles
 * They were nuked and rewritten by Moviebaby before I had a chance to nuke and not rewrite them myself. They're essentially the product of Moviebaby's efforts now, but they are not your or anyone's articles, they are Aselia's articles under CC-BY-SA and you forfeit direct ownership of your work once uploaded onto the public domain. And conversely, work that -is- owned must be cited, unless the owner is Namdai, NTS/BNS, etc., since that's a given. I applaud Moviebaby for doing what I had to do for three years by rewriting horribad articles practically from scratch to the point that I may as well have been the one to create the pages on my own, which is why I will forever insist that content page red links should remain as red links while existing pages need to be dealt with. But you forgot that and shit out new pages anyway. Anything else you create, supposing it isn't rewritten from scratch by someone else first, will be nuked.


 * >I managed to get Vesperia localized descriptions and incantations for some artes
 * You managed to do grunt work that no one else is interested in doing, [insert Cirno's hooray.jpg here]. What's more important to me is if you are able to add such descriptions/incantations including Japanese text (romanizations and literal translations can come later) for every single game that a given arte appears in, including spinoff titles, especially JP ones since English quotations/incantations exist everywhere online and are therefore not as vital to be displayed - they only are displayed for the sake of completion, but these pages are to be used primarily as a translation resource. Then upload all of this data in one burst edit with everything added at the same time rather than spanning 2+ edits, along with any other updates that should be integrated due to the constant new games courtesy of the Tales Cycle.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 03:58, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Moviebaby is on vacation. Most arte pages are newly made so there is not any info from the start any info added, even if it's a little, is progress. The Dahngrest artilcle didn't have any info beyond the party going to Keiv Moc. You sound like you need a vacation too. Also, your verdict about my userpage's gallery?

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 04:41, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Edit: Oh, happy new year and here's to the English release of Xill1. Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 05:04, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

What am I doing wrong?
I do not understand what you want from me. Now when I write articles I avoid using contractions, I write in present tense unless there is a section called "Past" talking about what a location was like back then, I even warned you about my Mt. Temza article being long. You eleting that I can understand, but my Manor of the Wicked article? I had to get all the details from the story and I did not include an item list because it would be considered playthrough and you guys don't do that. And as for the japanese texts for incantations, can't you get that guy 水のウォーリー to do it? Isn't that what he is here for? And another thing, I put in a new section in the Dahngrest article called "Crisis in Dahngrest" which talks about the events after the death of Belius, and no one has touched it. If you want me to get rid of it just say so. Also, I can work on the monster book for Vesperia, though you'll probably delete it when I post it. I know you have a lot on your plate, but I gave up on the DotNW monster book. All I ask is you consider the offer to have me work on the Vesperia monster book. Since I would be good at that.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 19:22, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

If you were to work on the Vesperia Monster book, would you take into account all the enemies exclusive to the PS3 version, if there are any? Because I was gonna consider working on it until that came into my mind. I once started a Graces f enemy book article, but I put that on hold since I don't own both the Wii and PS3 version. MabiEditor (talk) 20:00, January 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * STOP CREATING NEW PAGES, AND WORK ON STUFF THAT ALREADY EXISTS. You too MabiEditor. The pages you created had to be redone each time as well, and I'm not happy with changing everything and diverting my attention to do it each time, both of you. Obviously, if the Dahngrest article is incomplete, then I should have nuked it to begin with, but again, the stuff that already existed got rewritten before I was around to delete it. A monster book on Vesperia will indeed require all PS3 monsters, such as the Wandering Swordsman aka Patty spoilarz, which happens to be a separate monster from the Sword Dancer in the same game, among others (Spiral Draco, the Don, Clint, etc). Remember that I rewrote the ENTIRE DotNW monster book for you, and I don't have the patience to do the same thing if you were to create any more new pages ever again, since it's guaranteed that the effort required to fix such pages will be a negative allocation of time and effort, as I told yet another user last night when giving a warning after the failcreation of another page. So -stop- making new pages and leave the red links as is, and deal with any existing articles instead!! And MabiEditor, don't think I've forgotten about your own failcreations that I redid from scratch.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:23, January 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Edit - But maybe I haven't emphasized it enough to enter through your adamantium-thickened earwax. Leave this wiki forever, Winxfan. Don't come back, for the n'thousandth time. Your inability to do this is what you're doing wrong.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:32, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

But you can't deny people need to know more than what is written. That's why they help. At any rate I'm not leaving because these pages need more info and that's final.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 23:41, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Suggestion
As you may noticed, several users are uploading pictures related to the new game, Tales of Card Evolve. Furthermore some of these pictures are categorized as "Tales of Cards Evolve Card Images", however this category doesnt't exist. Could you create the category since I don't know how to create a category and would be useful to categorize future images related to Tales of Cards Evolve?? --Juan Ma (talk) 04:31, January 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Obviously you don't know how categories work. I won't do a single thing, because I don't acknowledge these images due to their lack of citation, and if you pester me about this, I will delete them entirely. If you want to fix the categories, CHANGE THE CATEGORY NAME ON THE IMAGE ITSELF. The MediaWiki software will take care of the rest. You also failed to change the category names for another set of images which you complained to me about before, but no, this is YOUR job to change because YOU put the wrong category names on the images. Don't push me or I'll nuke all images that don't have a citation IN THE IMAGE DESCRIPTION ITSELF, as well as a brief technical description of the image IN THE IMAGE DESCRIPTION ITSELF. You're not including EVERYTHING for EVERY image you upload, and it's just my lack of interest in dealing with it that allows me to tolerate it for so long, but if you bring my attention to it, I will delete it all.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 04:47, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Please calm down, this is not the end of the world. If you wish to delete the Tales of Card Evolve images, be my guest. That was just an idea, which is now clearly rejected. I already re-categorized the images under the "Magazine scans" to the "Magazine Scans" category you suggested a while ago. This includes the cities emblems from ToV and categorized as "ToV Emblems". Now you can delete the existing "Magazine scans" category that you wanted to delete months ago.--Juan Ma (talk) 20:36, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Another Mistake
I'm sorry for the last edit I made on ToX2 - Ludger Will Kresnik: Artes‎, as for changing the order of the Link Mystic Artes I should have asked first before changing the order, also about the romanization of Wild Combination and that is my bad. I really didn't mean it and I'm truly sorry, I was trying to help but it seems giving you even more works to do. So, basically I want to confirm one more time about the order of the character, the order is based on the Official Website, right? I guess I'm too biased with the character list that I see before entering the arena. Fayharn (talk) 12:49, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

ok I made another mistake
I'm sorry for the last edit I made on Rising Falcon and Healer I'm not perfect we all make mistakes but some always do the best I can to help improve the site, if it helps the next time I ask before performing any acion like that ok?

--RZX (talk) 08:56, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Presa Article
Yume from TSF was thoughtful enough to give us info on the Fauves which we could use for articles The link is here:

http://taleslations.livejournal.com/26826.html

And yet when I made Presa's article moviebaby deleted it. Not that there was anything wrong with it it had plenty of info. I wish I could quit but as long as there is info that is needed to be put in I can't. The only thing you can do is delete my userpage. That's the only option you have. Oh and since no one cares about the Zaude article, I went and deleted it.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 21:10, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

JUST LEAVE THINGS ALONE. Moviebaby (talk) 21:53, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

And YES, there were several things wrong with it. Moviebaby (talk) 22:00, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

You win
All right. I'm done. You win. I quit. Go ahead, delete my userpage.

Signed, Winxfan1. I am the ultimate fan of Winx Club 05:00, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Isn't this awesome?
Now that Project X Zone has been announced for the U.S. and Europe, we can get a full official translation and confirm more Tales-related facts and references for the Vesperia character pages as well as for Tarqaron. Letdragon (talk) 00:06, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Tales of Xillia 2 Grade/Grade Shop
After scrolling through your talk page I noticed Winxfan1 stated that I'm in charge of all the incantation blahblahblah...So I was wondering, I've played (still playing) Xillia 2 and pretty much completed most of the requirements in the grade list (got 17 left to complete). I've been on holiday but I took note of the Xillia 2 page not having a Grade Shop translation up yet. Is somebody on to that yet? No one assigned to it? Cos I've got a lot of info on the translation of both the Grade List and Grade Shop, both from legit external resources and my own knowledge. I'd like to try put it up if you'll let. It's okay if you don't want me to.

--水のウォーリー (talk) 04:27, January 29, 2013 (UTC)水のウォーリー

Disregard anything Winxfan says, as it is usually fabricated or unsensible. No one really gets assigned anything around here. Someone generally just picks up a project and pursues it. As long as the information is legitimate, I see no issue with it, seeing how Grade Shops are one of our special types of pages we include for games. However, wait for Mayu's word on the matter.

Moviebaby (talk) 05:33, January 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * I honestly do not care to assign tasks to people. Everyone does what he/she wants as long as all rules regarding formatting and writing style are upheld, and the pages that are created are not ko-pi-pe dumps of someone else's work from GameFAQs. As long as you utilize our table-based format for list pages, modified as needed to fit the required info for the game, it's fine. But when you publish anything, try to make the page relatively complete so that you don't have to continue to edit the page in an incremental way. Cells/columns with unknown data is fine and usually unavoidable while the info remains unknown or accessible only in printed guides, but you should at least have all named entries identified and translated. And yes, ignore Winxfan's words, every single one that was ever posted by him. It's nice and all that you're doing those incantations, but honestly, I don't want to deal with individual arte pages while other materials need attention, since these arte pages can stand as is already.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:44, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Okay I will get down to it. I will do the Grade Shop first and then the Titles List later. The Titles List are split into three categories: System, Battle and Battle Challenge. Have to map this out first. Is there anything else I should know? Like, what info to write, opening paragraph. e.g. "The following is a list of grade...accumulates to 10000..."

--水のウォーリー (talk) 00:27, January 30, 2013 (UTC)水のウォーリー

Refer to the other Grade Shop pages. We will correct any errors.

Moviebaby (talk) 02:25, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, here it is. Took a good three days to make, well almost. There isn't much I can say about the references and resources becuase I solely relied on my game, Japanese knowledge and a dictionary. And of course, the Grade Shops already up. So here:

[deleted] Please, edits.


 * Do not post your drafts on talk pages. Seriously, it wastes space and adds no value. I'll fix it and upload it as a page, but you clearly did not recognize that the name column must always follow the format for unlocalized media. The game is not translated, and all of your translations should never be bolded as if they were official. Deleting it from this page now.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:21, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, understood. But, what did you mean by "name column must always follow the format for unlocalized media.?" Got stuck there.

--水のウォーリー (talk) 09:34, February 1, 2013 (UTC)水のウォーリー


 * I'm redoing everything now. But the MoS clearly shows case scenarios for translation entries for unlocalized content, where the bolded text is -always- the romanization of JP text, followed by the kanji/kani itself, then the literal translation in quotes. We do not and will not treat invented translations as official by displaying them in bold letters. Other minor but quantifiably many things need to be changed as well, most obviously the color scheme of the entire table.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:40, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

I will take that into account when doing the titles list. Although that will take EXTREMELY long. Tte, How will I show you the draft?

--水のウォーリー (talk) 09:47, February 1, 2013 (UTC)水のウォーリー


 * If it's done in most practical ways, in that it needs no more additional entries, just a cleanup of code and whatnot, then you should just post them as pages already. Make sure they are properly categorized and use the correct templates to avoid the risk of having the page float in the abyss of never-to-be-found-again'ness.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 10:01, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Senel
Seeing as how he's a central character, do other Legendia chars really need articles as big as his is to get a spot on the template? You'd sorta expect him to get a bit more. Even if they don't show up on the template I'm wondering if we could still include small articles for minor characters since they have potential to grow as we find hard-to-locate information about them. +Yc 06:19, January 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * First of all, goddamn it all since you decided to post on that one wiki I WAS WAITING FOR HOWEVER MONTHS ARE NEEDED TO ESTABLISH A CASE FOR INACTIVITY. Now I must post a message to "you" on -that- wiki asking for permission to close it down and all sorts of nonsense because it's what Wikia Central requires from us to enable sites to be merged. You just unraveled the process and prevented it from happening for a while, so thank you sooooo much for that!


 * As for the stuff you're talking about for character templates, DO NOT TOUCH THEM. I am certain you are referring to the game navigation templates, not the -real- character templates, based on the past discussion on this topic, and you failed to understand my point. These nav templates are for PARTY CHARACTERS ONLY. Anyone else who is not part of the cast that actively joins the party, playable or not, will never be featured on such templates. Stop asking.


 * As for creating new articles for any topic whatsoever, yes we do require a fully fleshed-out page with detailed info that is relevant to the topic itself. If you cannot provide that, do not bother to create the page since I will probably delete it instead of wasting my time to rewrite the entire thing -for- you instead, since I am tired of being a wiki janitor with all analogies implied.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 09:17, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Posh, I'll leave a message on your talk page right now requesting it be shut down and directed here. If anything that should help the case, lol. Ah okay, would it be possible to create a new/separate template for secondary characters? I guess I'm wondering why it either has to be immediately fleshed-out or else deleted. Is there harm in it remaining in a stub-like state until more information is added later? There's not really any pressure on you to improve it is there? this could be done by other users as they come across and think of something to add, or at your leisure, right? +Yc 00:50, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * No. Stop editing this wiki altogether. Every edit you have made has had to be fixed in some manner, meaning you have wasted my time and Mayu's time with this crap. I don't have time for it, and I know she doesn't have time for it. Leave before action is taken.


 * Moviebaby (talk) 01:28, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh what the fuck. What part of INACTIVITY do you not understand? Leave that other wiki alone, and it will be merged eventually, maybe six months from now, now that you made FOUR EDITS to that site. You can't leave it alone? Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:52, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Editing that wiki won't impede merging it to another wiki. The only thing that would impede it is editors there who don't support a merger. +Yc 03:15, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * And there is a lot of harm in leaving pages as stubs. It portrays a sense of incompletion and unreliability of this wiki if pages exist with minimal or no content. They should always be left as red links to emphasize that the content -does not exist-, so that people are not misled into clicking on a blue link that has so little info that they might as well not exist in the first place! Every time someone makes a crap page, I am instantly pressured to fix it, and I'm tired of doing this. Now I just delete crap when I see it on the grounds of being spam. And you are well on your way toward being classified as a spammer.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:52, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Portraying a sense of incompletion is a good thing, the wiki is incomplete, after all. Most wikis are. A wiki that was completed would just be locked so nobody could interfere with the perfect completion. If someone clicks a blue link that has little info on it, it's not exactly bad, they may still learn something from it, and may even be able to add something from it. If there's a stub, 10 people who click it might add enough each to make a complete article.
 * If it's a red link, and any of the curious who have something to add get shot down while trying to add it by having their work removed, what they could collectively contribute will be absent. Doing this basically removes opportunities for people to help.
 * Calling those who add things which aren't detailed enough to reach your standards a spammer is wrong (if it's on the topic of the wiki it isn't spam) and driving away editors creates the exact kind of high-pressure "it's all on me" situation which seems to be stressing you out.
 * If people can't detail things about the Tales universe here they may choose to do so on places like Tales which don't impede that, and this would interfere with making a consolidated wiki about the collective series. +Yc 03:15, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Users deleting talk pages
This has to be against the rules in some manner, yes? It's not their profile. They don't customize it. It exists for a reason, and the removal of any content within it is taking away from the community portion of this wiki. Additionally, it involves removing warnings, which are necessary to remain for obvious reasons, and it also involves removing other users' comments. Does this not border on the lines of vandalism?

Moviebaby (talk) 20:04, February 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Eh, to be honest, it is still part of their profile, and it is their right to delete content on the page, though I argue against doing so because of the loss of conversations. That tends to be why I want conversations for a given topic to be confined to one page, instead of shifting back and forth between pages when one or both may end up being archived or deleted, causing a lopsided interpretation of the situation. The history of the page remains anyway, unless the page itself is deleted. I don't really want to enforce a rule like this, especially since the user you're refering to right now will just edit-war it out until being banned, and a banhammer for something like this isn't worth it because it's not the actual wiki content. Now, if someone starts deleting content on a talk page for someone else, or on any other page without first moving the topic elsewhere where it would be relevant, that would be grounds for vandalism.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:09, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Juan Ma's recent uploads
Would you please, please, PLEASE delete Juan Ma's recent uploads of the Abyss character artwork images from the animation? I am trying to get them all uploaded on here consistently and following a uniform naming system. It makes no sense that he chose to only upload a few. I tried overriding the file with a duplicate that would replace the file name and commentary, but it wouldn't let me.

Moviebaby (talk) 19:23, February 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Mmkay. You can just upload new images onto a new file name, leaving the existing duplicates there so I can sweep them away eventually. Existing images cannot be renamed by anyone without admin powers - they can only be overwritten, which should be done when higher quality images are available. But I'll delete these now since it's what you need. I noticed Juan Ma had been dumping a lot of duplicate images lately anyway, and on a selective basis when these images and more are prominently displayed on the official Teichan sites. I can only assume they are being grabbed from fan re-postings on places far removed from the most primary source possible, like those concept arts of Zelos and others in Symphonia that were cited to one of those gaming aggregate sites (Neoseeker iirc), which is why I deleted them before... but they got uploaded again.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:30, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Quick inquiry
Would it be possible to ask you a question in private regarding something? Letdragon (talk) 21:21, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Namco Collaboration?
Hey there Mayu Miyuki!

My name is Jorge and I am on Wikia's Community Development Team. Since you are by far the most active and prolific admin, I thought I would reach out to you about a cool opportunity Wikia might have for you.

We have recently been in talks with Namco about connecting the developers and the Tales community more closely. With the Tales series' finding a 15th anniversary in the US, they would love to collaborate on stuff with you and the wiki. Let me know if you have anything in mind or want to see something in particular from Namco, but it assets or the like.

Just leave me a message on my talk page! Jorge (profile)•(talk) 19:54, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Milla's English VA Video
We've got our proof for Milla's actress right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PCg7cbdv8g&feature=youtu.be Letdragon (talk) 17:27, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Jude's VA is also confirmed to be Sam Riegal.


 * Save the additions for after the game's release.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:09, March 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * This was just for in advance, once it does come out. Letdragon (talk) 01:23, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

This is what you wrote: "Can't you wait until the game is released? You're not the first person to add this stuff in but I hope you're the last." What's with the threat? Seriously, what's the big deal? We know who are voicing Jude and Milla for the english version of Xillia AND we have solid proof about that, something that you require us to add. Where was it ever written that the game must be released before adding info? That sounds like a rule you made up for no reason. Who seriously cares if the game isn't released in english yet? It's coming, but we honestly don't need the game to be released to add info we know about. How come it's ok to add info for upcoming games in Japanese, but not in English? And no, I'm probably not the last, because I'm 100% sure that others will add this info without knowing that you absolutely want them to wait for the game's english release... even though you probably added Jude's and Milla's Japanese voice actors before the game's Japanese release.

We just want to help if you haven't noticed yet, and limiting our work isn't gonna make this site better. In short, just let it slide. So what if the game isn't released yet? If the info is already available, I see no reason to wait until the game's release to add it to the site. (JiCi (talk) 18:10, April 2, 2013 (UTC))


 * Neither had pages until after the game was released in Japan. If any page is created before release, it probably would have such minimal content that I would delete it instantly, as it might as well not exist yet.


 * Everything will be added through sweep edits at the same time to reduce the effort of tracking down changes that are done preemptively and fix what was done with them. Besides, citations have a specific format to follow, and the first person who added a source pissed me off enough to enforce this whole thing because the citation had a broken link and also failed to follow the format. At first I fixed it, but then I decided, "fuck this noise" and undid even my own edit. Thank the previous person for that. Besides, this enforcement is merely an extension of what we always do, in that -any- changes made through localizations are made after release, including both character and arte name changes which require infrastructure modifications, and so existing pages don't become a mix of localized and non-localized terms. It's better to change everything all at once.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 21:30, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Thank You
for hours that other user Tsunar was doing those editions and I trying to fix it I thought I could do it alone but do not think I went as expected. I sorry. --RZX (talk) 21:04, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

Tales of Xillia 2 Award of Excellence
In case you're interested, here's something I read in the most recent article on Abyssal Chronicles (http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/). At the Famitsu Awards 2012 held on April 17, 2013, Tales of Xillia 2 was given an Award of Excellence. It also said that, two years ago, Tales of Xillia won the same award during the 2011 Famitsu Awards. --Agarfinkel (talk) 20:44, April 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I already know about it due to being a frequent lurker on the TSF, but we may add that in as trivia for each game. It's rather rare for Tales games to get this kind of honor actually.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 07:25, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Dummied content
I only don't understand why such a rule exists in the MoS. By not allowing such content in the articles, you're basically refusing to acknowledge that the content even exists. Those conversations, while not normally accessible, do in fact exist in the game's files. Homebrew, for example, doesn't add the voice tracks, it simply removes the restriction preventing them from being heard. Other major wikis will at least acknowledge that such content exists, or that certain glitches are possible, although they are usually part of their own page having solely to do with that, which this wiki seems to be lacking in. It would make sense that there should be a page that is specifically for bugs/dummied out content (or one page per game) and this/these page/pages are the only exception to that part of the MoS.

Saying this kind of content isn't noteworthy is basically refusing to even accept that it was almost in the final product, and remnants of it still exist. Schiffy (Speak to me &#124;What I've done ) 18:14, April 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's because the intended or original use of dummied content is always open to interpretation, which in turn leads to speculation. Honestly, I have no arguments against dumping this kind of info onto the talk pages of the articles in question. You can add these in on Richter's talk page, where it is clearly segregated from the content that relates to normal gameplay circumstances. These can serve as the special pages devoted to glitches and dummied content. But it should not be presented on the main articles as if it really was intended to be part of the game. If it was, it would have been accessible normally. Needless to say, dummied content is not really vital to know about, as they do not represent game-changing facts that alter everything in the story.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 23:53, April 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't exactly see what's "open to interpretation" about direct conversations that are within the game's sound files that only slightly differ from Emil's and Marta's conversations with Richter to fit who's talking. And I'd like to direct your attention to the "other major wikis" I was talking about. Let's look at these two pages. They are explicitly for things like dummied out content, glitches, and exploits. I do not see the problem with having pages (not talk pages) devoted to that kind of thing. While they may not be part of the final game, they are still notable in that they exist and they are in the game's code, accessible by anyone who has something like Homebrew installed on their Wii, which doesn't exactly take any knowledge of programming to do. There could easily be subpages, only accessible by looking for them, for example "Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World/Glitches," that have this sort of thing written in an article style, and not in a talk page style. Schiffy  (Speak to me &#124;What I've done ) 01:30, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well, this is not that type of wiki. Unused content is typically omitted for a reason, and including it would only be detrimental to the existing game content. It is highly unnecessary information that, in my opinion, isn't even worth mentioning on talk pages due to its inaccessible properties that are usually only discovered through cheating (shame on you). Moviebaby (talk) 01:49, April 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, shame on me for looking up content on YouTube that I find interesting about games I like. Okay, fine, I pirate some shit, but I haven't messed with DotNW on my own. But anyway, I get the idea. I'll drop the argument. Schiffy  (Speak to me &#124;What I've done ) 01:58, April 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * We are not other wikis, and comparisons shouldn't even be made since Aselia is designed with a different mindset. Other sites can do their own thing, and we will not interfere with their autonomous natures, but we also desire that -our- rules and requirements are upheld at all times within our own site and that external entities have no right to change our policies based on "everyone else does it" mob mentalities. We are our own wiki, and we have our own rules which are to be strictly followed. And sub-pages are highly redundant when we already have sub-pages for everything, the talk pages themselves. Neat discussions sometimes happens on those pages, and I even post random tidbits on these pages sometimes. It is not proper to bring such topics into the wiki mainspace, however, as it is decidedly non-encyclopedic content in terms of describing what is officially possible in a standard game or related materials. I know that other sites have different policies, and I simply don't care about what those are. They are not us, and we value the fact that we are not them.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:19, April 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you missed the part where I said I get the idea and I'll drop it. Schiffy  (Speak to me &#124;What I've done ) 16:04, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Asura
I Apoligise for seeming as such. I was not going by the fan translation I was going by the japanese writing in game. It is spelled "アスラ" Which Translates to "A- Su- ra" if it were Asras It would appear as such "アスラス" Please don't misunderstand me, no offence is intended or disrespect just stating the experience I have learned by playing the game and listening to how the characters Pronounce it.


 * It's true that it is pronounced as "Asura", and I definitely prefer this name. But his name has been rendered officially in JP media as "Asras" in spite of the pronunciation. When you added links to the page, you must not have noticed this little gem. And so we have to follow what is official. Even though Namdai JP is known for some really odd spellings, like "Chersea" or "Calcedny" or "Kohak" (Tsukihime reference fail!), their spellings have to be used until something in localized form will override it, if ever. If Asrasura's name ever gets into localized media, I certainly hope it becomes Asura just so that this sort of situation wouldn't be a problem.


 * Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:50, April 27, 2013 (UTC)