Order in the Main series

This article claims that Tales of Symphonia is the sixth game in the main series, but the article on Tales of Rebirth claims that it is the sixth game in the main series. I'm guessing TOS is the fifth game, and not the sixth. Could someone back this up? --Imaginationac 17:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thou art correcteth --Meeps


So, uh. Yeah. I uploaded those sprites and things and I reckon they should probably be resized. Or replaced by skit faces. -- User:Meeps

I like the sprites, actually. Comic 12:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Missing Data

We should probrably try to get starter pages up and ready in the article. Maybe we should probrably start with the monster list. And we can have the monster list link take us to a list divided by monster types (ex: human, beast, you know, what they are classified as) and each monster type name is a link dividing into the monsters (with pictures) under that species or person or close relation you know, Regular Ladybugs+Golden Ladybugs. And for monster types with too many monsters, we can divide that type into 2 links. Learner2 20:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd just go by the number in the actual book if I were you, rather than worry about classifications (initially at least). But first, you actually have to make the page =P I may start it, if I pick up ToS again. I'm pretty sure I actually completed the book. Drache 15:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I've finished the monster data. It way now be pretty but its done. Later i might divide the sections onto separate pages and use an index for the 'front page'. gammer10 16:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I've taken on a huge ordeal to finish all the missing information (and verify what is already there). Further details are in my profile

gammer10 16:43, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Connection to Phantasia section

I think that, if it is not OFFICIALLY that ToS is a distant prequel to ToP, then the "Connection to Phantasia" should be moved to another page that it suits for. But tha's just me.

Even though Symphonia IS a prequel of Phantasia, their stories and characters aren't related in any way. They just have the same setting, which might as well be completely different anyway due to the 4000 year difference. This section was probably created by someone who wanted to validate the connections between the games on Wikipedia, where this info was originally copied from. I'd say that there is no need to have anything like this at all, and some of this is "speculation" on the Symphonia side (the name of the new tree which was purposefully not revealed in this game and DotNW, the Fujibayashi ancestry), or it might be true of most of the games in the series and not just the Aseliaverse (racism, summon spirits, Aifread, etc), so we could simply delete the entire section. I assume Wikipedia already deleted their version of this list a long time ago, but I'm not going to bother to check. There is no reason to make a dedicated page for this topic since it wouldn't be an article about a character, location, or term.
Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 16:40, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

The Yggdrasil Tree's name is revealed explicitly in Dawn of the New World. There's no doubt it's the same tree. That was the entire significance to the end of Tales of Symphonia. There didn't even need to be a sequel for a fan of the Phantasia/Symphonia universe to know that, so I think the connection validates itself by way of direct involvement in the biggest event of the story. I agree there's no need for a section, but saying that the connection itself is speculation is very wrong.

Screenshot please, since I played the game myself, and I know that all instances of attempting to say the name of the tree were purposefully interrupted one way or another. They even added some sort of silly explanation that if Ratatosk ever were to learn the name of the tree, he could gain control of it. It's obvious what the tree's name is, but it is never stated directly, and intentionally so. Unless you can prove otherwise with a screenshot or direct quotation?
Also, let me emphasize this for the millionth time (not your fault): we do NOT label spoilers on this wiki. I don't even feel like repeating the reason we have this policy, since there is a very lengthy conversation that explains everything about this on Wikipedia itself.
Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 17:17, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. I re-watched the scene and they don't mention it. I thought they did, but they just say "World Tree." As far as I'm concerned, Dawn of the New World isn't canon. It's just so bad compared to the original that I don't pay any attention to it. That's probably what led to the incorrect claim. Also, I think parentheses serve their place in the language just as well as commas, and the reversion of all of the former to the latter is a formatting decision that will likely put me off from editing at all. I don't understand what's so bad about them.

Most Successful-Selling Game?

Where is the information to clarify this? I can't find any numbers or statistics on this page. Also, it states it is "known as the most successful-selling game". Does this mean it actually is? If so, "is the most successful-selling game" would be more appropriate wording. Just wanting to point this out in case it's speculation.

Moviebaby 19:29, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

I removed the statement for now, since that kind of thing needs to be backed up by facts and figures. I do know that it is the game that sold the most internationally, in no small part due to Nintendo's marketing, and so people aggregate that as the best-selling game in the series. But really, the international audience is largely irrelevant to a series based in Japan, and the best-selling game in that context is actually Destiny PSX, which had upwards of a million sales in Japan alone. Every game since has had decreasing sales, until the recent Xillia which had something like 500k sales in the first... was it a week or a month? But yeah, I'm only going by memory at the moment. I'm sure the data exists somewhere (and not just estimates of that data based on shipment expectations as used on VGChartz), and I used to have a bookmark for a very informational and reliable site before my laptop had to be reformatted. I think I can find it again by searching on the TSF though.
EDIT - Here is the site I am referring to, but it does not have any of the games from the PSX era or earlier, and it's obvious that the data is for Japan only. There is also this set of data which shows lifetime sales, including international units sold (such that the data from Japan is only 87% of the sales counts), but it was canvassed just five days after Innocence was released so the games toward the bottom of the list are not so accurate due to being "lifetime sales" up to that point. Now that I am thinking about this, it may be a good idea to display these sales numbers from both sources (ignoring the games from 2007 on the latter website) on our pages, specifically in the GameInfo boxes. The data must be cited appropriately of course, and care must be taken to display the sales of each particular version and platform for the games for best accuracy.
Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 01:33, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

PS3 Port

A port of both Tales of Symphonia and Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World/Knight of Ratatosk has been confirmed for the PS3 for all regions. I believe someone should add this info and its specifics to the proper areas. I'd do it, but I'm no good at making big edits/additions like that. Hatsodoom (talk) 01:46, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

We're well aware, but we just discovered this information. There's no need to immediately add it, as someone will eventually. If you'd like to add it, you may do so, but don't expect others to do so because we have priorities. Everything on this wiki is monitored, so if you happen to make a mistake, it can be rectified no problem.

Moviebaby (talk) 02:00, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

The details aren't even fully known yet. Wait like three months for more reveals to be made about what kind of changes are to occur. There is no need to add anything for a long time, and I would prefer to avoid having people add things because those who do almost always resort to speculation to justify their fangasms.
Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:37, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Petition to bring Unisonant Pack/Chronicles to Wii U

I'm sorry to use this page even knowing that this isn't the right place for it (though in the future, what I'm about to say may become content for this wiki as well).

I've started a petition a few days ago to bring Tales of Symphonia Unisonant Pack/Chronicles to the Wii U. You can read more on the link bellow. I hope you'll help me advertise it.

Once again, I'm sorry to use this page for advertising, but this petition is relevant to the Tales Series, and maybe it can also become part of the game's history, as fan culture, specially since this time it isn't the developers, but gamers creating history!

TwilightWolf (talk) 19:01, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

I was under the impression that it was going to be for the PlayStation 3, or is that what this petition intends to change?

Moviebaby (talk) 20:13, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Tales of Symphonia Unisonant Pack/Chronicles is a remake of the two Symphonia titles, the first being exclusive to Gamecube outside of Japan, as the PS2 version is exclusive to that country, and the second one (Dawn of the New World) being exclusive to Nintendo Wii. Even so, Bandai Namco Games decided that this remake is only going to hit the PS3, as they have no plans for Wii U yet. This petition has the objective to make Bandai Namco Games bring the remake to Nintendo consoles as well.

TwilightWolf (talk) 20:50, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

If people support this petition on their own individual basis, that's their thing. The wiki itself will not support any petition on any matter regarding the Tales series. There are other sites from which you may gather followers, particularly the official Namco Tales Series Forum where you already posted about your petition, and where dozens of people already told you that petitions simply do not work. If you want to truly change the actions of Namco, you have to appeal directly to the Japanese heads who make the decisions based on the Japanese fanbase. Most of this fanbase considers anything that isn't a Sony console to be a failure and/or for casuals. The origins of any game simply don't matter, and it is a factual tradition that every game previously not on a Sony console is eventually ported or remade for one. The original Symphonia was an embarrassing failure on the GameCube in Japan, which is why it was ported to the PS2 with more content and finally became a success. The fact that it sold well internationally on the GC was a happy accident that Japan quickly ignored (or maybe that fact was even more embarrassing so they pushed Sony stuffs even harder after that), and that can't even be denied.
But hey, continue living the dream, I guess.
Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:36, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for sharing your opinion. I know this isn't the right place to do so, but as I said before, if this petition actually manages to change something, then it may even be material for this wiki. Feel free to erase this topic and the link if you judge needed to keep this page clean of unwanted topics.
I'm well aware of Namco Bandai's vision on Sony and Nintendo markets, but they must be really stupid if they don't make it for Wii U as well if this petition manages to become a success. It would simply mean they don't want profit for their work. Also, it doesn't actually mean I'm not going to get anywhere with it, as Namco already ported Tales of the Abyss to the 3DS, such was its success, meaning that, if we manage to show Namco that a great amount of players want their product on Wii U, we have a great chance of making it happen.
I understand your position towards this petition, and I know this wiki isn't going to support any petition. What I'm asking for is help of the members who are interested on helping to advertise it however they can, individually.
Again, if judged necessary, feel free to erase this topic. The last thing I want to do is become a spammer.
TwilightWolf (talk) 00:26, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Meh, Tales games seem to be better suited for Sony consoles.

Moviebaby (talk) 06:18, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

The topic can stay, no worries. Just be cautious that an Abyss Reimagidition Portmake for Vita (aka Abyss RIP harharhar) might be around the corner because yes, Namdai JP loves to do things that shoot their own feet in the long run, hence the "Tales Cycle" of games being thrown up by Namdai at a former rate of 4 games per year at minimum, with them even daring to announce the next new game a week -before- the latest one is to be released. The problems that are associated with this spam of games are finally catching up to them, to the point that Namco Tales Studio is already defunct and swallowed by Bandai Namco Studio. I think a multi-platform release would be the least of their worries while 7th Chord picks up their slack with the most backward remakes-- excuse me, "reimaginations" in the series.
In any case, all I really want in terms of gaming platforms is for a new PC Tales that isn't utter social garbage (Kizna) nor an MMO that gets shut down and becomes impossible to play at all after a year because Namco has no intention to support such a thing with regular updates that aren't paid DLC (Eternia Online)... but even Sora no Kiseki jumped off PC and followed the PSP wandbagon.
Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 12:12, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Should any arte names change when Symphonia HD comes out...

Will the arte pages be edited to reflect any changes in the HD version, or will they remain the same to cater to the original GCN/PS2 release? MabiEditor (talk) 00:22, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

The latest release is always given priority. Granted, there were only two other instances of an English release of an existing game in English, Eternia and Abyss, and neither game had any name changes. If the Unisonant Pack has name changes for either Symphonia or DotNW, the names used in the rereleases will be displayed, though a note should be provided for each instance that the names do get changed on the arte lists. Regardless of if the names are changed or not, whatever names are used in the games will be the most recent localized names (prioritizing DotNW), and the other list type pages will have to change accordingly, once again (ie. Staff Rain -> Sword Rain, Cerberus Strike -> Triple Kick), until they are reverted back to Xillia names once Xill2 is released.
Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 02:47, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Lloyd's wiki page is broken

I need to edit Lloyd Irving. Ludger 15:32, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

It's not broken; it's protected. You don't need to edit it. Based on your recent contributions, you need to familiarize yourself with suitable grammar mechanics. Also, you're signing your signatures awkwardly. All you have to do is type four tildes (~) after your post.

Arosia (talk) 17:16, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

What should I edit then? Ludger 18:43, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Nothing, because every edit you make, I have to fix. Your writing has numerous flaws, and you don't even categorize or provide descriptions for the images you upload. We're actually getting ready to begin the process of organizing image files, so you're essentially creating more work for us.

Arosia (talk) 18:52, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

How do I get better? Ludger 12:01, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know. Go to school? Honestly, you're borderline trolling now. Just be warned that we have guidelines here. You can start by reading the Manual of Style. Failing to abide by the MoS may result in a reversion of your edits.

Arosia (talk) 18:47, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

missing miscellaneous information

I tried to enter some information about the figurines, but it did not turn out so well so I was told to leave any information I wished to share in a talk page. I would like to contribute with the recipes section by adding the following information:

Town: Triet

Recipe: Cabbage Rolls

Location: At the end of the hall on the second floor of the Inn.

Appears As: Turtle Shell Lamp


Town: Izoold

Recipe: Rice Ball

Location: Back right corner inside the house next to the Katz

Expedition booth.

Appears As: Pelican House


Town: Luin

Recipe:Seafood Stew

Location: Inside the Item Shop to the left of the counter.

Appears As: Huge Pig incense burner that has smoke coming out of it


Town: Hima

Recipe: Risotto

Location: In the room next to the save point inside the Inn.

Appears As: Tea Kettle


Town: Asgard

Recipe: Meat Stew

Location: Second floor of Aisha's house next to the bed.

Appears As: Phonograph


Town: Asgard

Recipe: Paella

Location: Late in the game use Regal as the on screen character, and 

talk to the Chef next to the Wind Mill.

Appears As: N/A


Town: Palmacosta

Recipe: Omelet

Location: Under the stairs as soon as you enter the school.

Appears As: Ball Basket


Place: Dirk's House

Recipe: Miso Stew

Location: Next to Lloyd's bed on the second floor, after the Mana tower
or anytime later in the game.

Appears As: bird House 


Town: Meltokio

Recipe: Steak

Location: Inside the Weapon Shop

Appears As: Good Luck Cat


Town: Meltokio

Recipe: Fruit Cocktail

Location: Top of the stairs in Zelos' mansion.

Appears As: Present


Town: Meltokio

Recipe: Beef Stew

Location: Late in the game after getting the other recipes with Regal, go in
front of the castle with Regal as your on screen character and should get a
little scene (Walk to the left of the stairs leading up to the castle)

Appears As: Wonder Chef, Dark Wonder Chef


Town: Sybak

Recipe: Fried Rice

Location: In between two big book shelves inside the library.

Appears As: Magazine Rack


Town: Mizuho

Recipe: Ramen

Location: Inside the Cheif's hut.

Appears As: Animal Trap


Town: Ozette

Recipe: Tenderloin

Location: Inside the Inn.

Appears As: Parakeet


Town: Ozette

Recipe: Gratin

Location: Next to the bed in Presea's house, after she rejoins the

Appears As: Taxidermist Bear


Place: Altessa's House

Recipe: Curry

Location: Talk to Tabatha after Presea rejoins the group.

Appears As: N/A


Town: Flanoir

Recipe: Quiche

Location: Inside the church in the far left corner.

Appears As: Wood Block


Town: Exire

Recipe: Shortcake

Location: On the middle floor of the 3 floor house.

Appears As: Rheaird Model


Town: Heimdall

Recipe: Cream Stew

Location: Next to the bed inside the Elder's house.

Appears As: Painting


Place: Latheon Gorge

Recipe: Pescatore

Location: Inside the Storyteller's house, right behind him.

Appears As: Turtle/Rabbit


Town: Altamira

Recipe: Spaghetti

Location: Stay at the hotel and choose to go out at night. Then take the 
elevator to 4F

Appears As: Giant Green Pumpkin


Place: House Of Guidance (Southeast continent)

Recipe: Potato Salad

Location: As Regal talk to the Chef inside. After Heimdall is destroyed.

Appears As: N/A


Place: House Of Guidance (Southwest continent)

Recipe: Pork Cutlets

Location: As Regal talk to the Chef inside. After Heimdall is destroyed.

Appears As: N/A

--Swordsmanoftime3001Swordsmanoftime3001 (talk) 14:42, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

This is fine, thanks. Lanate can create a page for them when he has time.

Arosia (talk) 18:36, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Friendly reminder that this is here for when we finish with this arte project or whatever. I would create the page myself, but tables aren't my specialty. I just don't want this user to feel as though we are neglecting his contribution that I told him to post here.

Arosia (talk) 05:13, February 20, 2015 (UTC)

Posting on this so I don't forget about it.

Arosia (talk) 18:45, March 29, 2015 (UTC)