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Welcome

Hi, welcome to Aselia Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the CC page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Mayu Miyuki (Talk) 22:15, 2012 November 5

I'm morbidly curious what you think this "information" is

>Doesn't own a single game, but I'm watching Tales of Graces f walkthrough and noticed some lack of 'information'.

Before you even attempt to edit the page, let me set some parameters. Chain Capacity only relates to arte costs and nothing else. It has zero involvement in the ability to chain artes in any order - this is the arte chaining system of a given game and is not synonymous its arte cost system, and so it is considered to be a gameplay mechanic. Both of these things are also strictly separate from the concept of Style-Shift LMBS, which I must emphasize only relates to movement on the battle field and style changes. What, pray tell, is the "lack of 'information'" that you think needs to be added, given how each topic is separate and should not be confused? If you dare to think that the arte chaining system and the arte cost system are parallel, I must emphasize that every system has been paired with the opposite of what you might think to be true. Believe me, I know what I am talking about when I made the Chain Capacity page, in an attempt to STOP misunderstandings like this. Chain Capacity is a combo limiter. Nothing more, nothing less.
Byakuren Hijiri (talk) 22:24, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

SORRY

I completely misread your username and thought it was Kikonu, a problem user who left and will hopefully remain gone. No hard feelings.

Arosia (talk) 01:03, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Community support

Please be sure to read this and post your support if you'd like.

Arosia (talk) 23:46, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Look at my edits

I am fine with you creating these artes pages, but you have to adhere to our format, which includes placing {{-}} at the bottom of every page. These descriptions you are adding are poorly worded and lacking in necessary punctuation. Unless someone else provides better descriptions, these pages will be deleted.

Arosia (talk) 00:12, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Quote Corrections

No problem! I was curious about Rowen's incantation so I adjusted the sound mixing (SFX are wayyy too loud by default >_>) and tested them all myself. I'm almost 100% sure mine are correct, but I'll probably test them again soon just to be sure.

I'm probably going to hang around this wiki for a bit since it's lacking a lot of "fluff" like incantations and stuff. --Ongyoki (talk) 18:03, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

If you're creating pages...

...just thought I'd mention that Jiao is missing a page, and while I don't want anything half-assed, I would like him to have a page so that we have all of the Chimeriad in some shape or form. I'm by no means telling you to create his page; I'm merely making note of it. If I could, I would create the page myself. Also, keep in mind that you are free to use the information from this timeline, which is a credible source. If you do use any of the information, however, be sure to rewrite the information in your own words and don't cite Taleslations since they prefer not to be cited on wikis.

Arosia (talk) 23:37, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

Tales of Hearts R localization

Pages will be moved and adjusted in due time, but for convenience purposes, use the move request log rather than spam the talk pages. That's why it exists.

Arosia (talk) 22:25, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Arte pages

Stop creating them because you're piling unnecessary work on Lanate, and he already does enough as it is on this wiki. That, or do as he mentioned and create them without the need for him to add what you left out. Lord knows I don't know what all to add, so it really puts a lot of work on him. He's not mean like I am, so that's why I'm telling you bluntly.

Arosia (talk) 06:16, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Sandbox abuse

I know you are trying really hard to find loopholes in our rules. And that is why I want to make them even more strictly exorbitant, to get rid of the loopholes. The user sandbox pages are only meant to be used as supplementary information repositories that are yet to be integrated into existing pages. This applies primarily to existing quotes and translations that have not been added to the individual arte pages as of the time they were created, as you will see on my own sandbox pages. (And do note that this refers to existing material, meaning the things that have already been published, not that pre-"localized" Zestiria arte name nonsense that you want to upload despite the policy that we will not acknowledge these arte names because they are still in development and subject to change. A certain Mabizerk is perfectly adept at making these lists himself on a non-wiki venue where it is more appropriate and conducive to discussion. It does not belong here. This also applies to every other term you keep changing within the articles just because they aren't artes or character names and are therefore not as strictly monitored. That seraphim stuff, for instance. Why can't it just stay as the official Japanese term until release, when names and terms can be properly confirmed not through trailers or videos, but through actual gameplay. Once again, loophole abuse that needs to stop at this very moment. I partially want to go through the pages and restore all Japanese names, to be kept unchanged until a proper English release is made, except for the fact that I give zero shits about Zestiria as a game and don't care enough about it to do this kind of monitoring.) Alternatively, the sandbox pages can be used for code experimentation without affecting the appearance of other pages, which is the actual real purpose for this MediaWiki system implementation.

The sandbox is not intended to be used to create whole articles that function as whole articles with the purpose of being whole articles, while avoiding possible deletion just because they are not put on the main namespace. In fact, I want to rage-delete the page right now because it is no different from spamming this content onto the main namespace anyway. In fact, you weren't the first user who tried this. Another user got banned for spamming writing that is literally on the same level as "Halflife: Fulllife Consequences" as multiple articles placed on sandbox to avoid deletion. But just because it is in the sandbox, it doesn't make it exempt from rules or common decency. But I'll let this one stand so that proper discussion on this matter can be held, since otherwise you will complain that it's just admin fiat if I actually enact anything even with the kind of justifications I always provide. It's times like this where I wish I was still just a normal user, so that I can perform normal user fiat instead and skip having to overexplain myself to people who don't even bother to read what I write.

If you have articles that are in an incomplete state, do yourself a favor and save it offline, like on your computer, and use the "Preview" button whenever you want to see how these pages look when they are published. With this, you are doing yourself a favor by not causing problems like this for anyone else who might feel compelled to edit your text and scrap out all of the unnecessary words and incorrect syntax before you are even done with the page, forcing them to do this incrementally as you add to the page itself, supposing you ever intend to do so. Although, judging by the edit summary you added when you created the page, it seems as if you want others to expand the page instead, without you exerting any effort aside from creating the skeleton outline and maybe adding little tidbits and minor trivia and other inane babble. This is just like those game pages you and others keep wanting to create from the moment they are announced, instead of waiting for something tangible to actually write about in any significant way. I'm not sure if you noticed, but we might be outlawing this entirely thanks to these kinds of obnoxious attempts to create skeleton pages filled with minor and ultimately irrelevant info since the only truly necessary content, the story, is missing because the game is not yet released!

And of course I would spend all of this time writing this out instead of quickly going back to sleep after baby stuff. z____z;;

Audrey Belrose is my spirit animal. (talk) 16:52, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Tales of Link artes

Thanks for the heads-up on dealing with ToLink artes in relation to official arte pages, I wasn't quite sure how to go about things. Since I'm playing through mainly for artes I'll keep my own list and stick to updating the ToLink pages verbatim.

Allenpergallon (talk) 17:17, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Arte page focus?

Hey, thanks for all the ToZ arte pages. We really did need them. However, what we also really need are ToG arte pages, and since I noticed you've played the game, you could consider making that a pet project. The main reason I suggest this is because we actually have a lot of images for ToG artes, and I'm gradually working on emptying the Unused photos repository as much as possible so that it doesn't look like we're uploading tons of images for no reason. Thanks again.

Arosia (talk) 04:10, July 29, 2016 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with that. I'll get to it. Also, should Accelerate Mode artes? abilities? get their own pages since Hubert's got their own, or Hubert's is en exemption from the rule since it appears as a freely usable arte in ToZ?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 11:43, July 29, 2016 (UTC)

First problem: "Tornado Blade" from ToG is not the same "Tornado Blade" from Xillias (single user vs. linked arte). How do we name them?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 15:18, July 29, 2016 (UTC)

Not sure on your first question. Wait for Lanate to get back from vacation to answer that. The second question: If they have the same Japanese name, our policy is that they get the same page.

Arosia (talk) 17:33, July 29, 2016 (UTC)

ToG "Tornado Blade" has a different Japanese name from ToX/2 "Tornado Blade".—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:39, July 29, 2016 (UTC)

Oh. Okay, well. I'd say "Tornado Blade" for ToG and "Tornado Blade (Linked Arte)" for ToX/2. We'll see what Lanate says when he gets back.

Arosia (talk) 17:42, July 29, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that, except it'd be "Tornado Blade (linked arte)". Lanate (talk) 05:09, August 3, 2016 (UTC)

Just when I was beginning to like you...

I find this. I am nowhere near as strict as Mayu, and I have done a great deal to improve this wiki. I fully allow users to create pages so long as they aren't half-assed. Care to elaborate on how we're not developing? And when have I ever stopped you from creating pages? This wiki is the most developed Tales resource in the English language, so I have good reason to oppose other English-language Tales wikis. As for the plagiarizing you so proudly pointed out, it was on 2-3 pages. I misunderstood Taleslations's policy, but as you can see from the home page, we have settled the matter.

Our "strictness" is not why the wiki "suffers" as you say, and this has been addressed multiple times in the past. The series simply isn't as large and popular enough to draw in an editing user base as profound as other series. If you have such a problem with this wiki, then why are you still here? A new wiki will only divide the community more. You will not find a hidden group of users waiting for a lenient Tales wiki to come along. This is what we have, and I have taken great strides to ensure we are well-liked and appreciated in the community. There have been few problems over the past two years or so since I became admin, and I don't recall ever being unfair to you. I realize the post is a few months old, but it's good to know where you stand.

Arosia (talk) 05:44, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

First of all, the strictness of this Wiki how I see it is how we could have a bit more "other" articles, like for recurring equipment pieces or monsters since they are a series staple. Another is character articles, mainly how "game announced, but unreleased => can't have an article". I can understand that constantly updating articles as information emerge for the new content may not be liked by the staff much ("We're not a news site," or something like that I heard coming from here at some point). And well, I mainly stick to creating arte articles since they're the easiest and safest IMO to create mainly because I don't really know how it would be treated if I was adding only fragments to characters' articles regarding their "History" sections because they wouldn't probably be "half-arsed". I realize I am not the easiest person to work with, sometimes maybe asking really unnecessary stuff at times and such, but I intend to still work on this Wiki, mainly because of how recognized it is. I admit I had a proposition to join other Tales of Wiki but I firmly believe that staying with this one will be the best option.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:08, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

I have already explained why recurring whatever would not be ideal. Want to ask Lanate? I guarantee he will say the same thing, as well as probably provide an even better explanation. As for characters in games unreleased, how do you expect much at all to be written about them? What we know about them is essentially included in their brief bio on the game page. What would be the point? In that same regard, everything is subject to change. As soon as the game is released, I will allow it. Until then, no. It's a hassle.

You are free to add any amount of anything to existing articles. That's how they grow and develop. Starting a page off that way, though? One or two sentences? No. I require at least the CharInfo template and a paragraph (see Ayla). That's about the bare minimum that will be allowed, and I would really prefer more. I did that with certain characters because nothing would come of them any other way. Anyway, I have to cut this short because I'm busy.

Arosia (talk) 00:14, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Hi

Please answer/address my recent questions/statements in edit summaries/on talk pages concerning your edits when you have the chance. Thank you.

Arosia (talk) 20:22, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding "Blast Gauge": I don't think either "Battle Action(s)", "Rejuvenation", "Banish Blast(s)", and "Switch Blast(s)" require to be links at the moment since they only appear in one game only, and I don't think redirects would be very needed; maybe Lanate has a different opinion on the matter.
Regarding "Infernal Blast": I'm mainly basing the information regarding ToLink stuff on what we have on our Wiki, userspace included. The Largo unit carrying Infernal Blast is not (yet) available in the global release, hence no localization listed there.
Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:01, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

In that case, I made changes to two Asbel moves that need to be rectified because I assumed you had made an oversight, but I don't remember which two.

Arosia (talk) 22:36, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Never mind. I found them.

Arosia (talk) 22:38, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Probably not? Battle Actions possibly, and that'd just be a redirect to the data page. The latter three are essentially just special artes, and the first is just a fancy name for healing spells that cost BG. Lanate (talk) 00:21, August 25, 2016 (UTC)

If you're interested

ToG and ToX arte images are the only ones left in the Unused photos repository. Since I know you've played both games and enjoy creating arte pages, you can dish them out if you want, and I'll do any cleaning up necessary. My next personal project is ToX pages, so I'll be helping as well.

Arosia (talk) 22:02, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

I'll try to help you with it, but I have some ongoing projects on other Wikis, plus some current real life tasks so that may not be as quick as we'd both want it. Still, I think that when the demo for Berseria will come next week, I'll probably go create articles for that game to help "unload" in the future.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:14, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks.

Arosia (talk) 22:25, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

Allusions

I'd like to eventually integrate these into page extensions, such as is currently done with location descriptions and certain galleries. My issue is that I want a better way of displaying such links on the main page, as I'm not fond of using the "Notes" section for this purpose. Perhaps a makeshift template embedded somewhere.

Arosia (talk) 06:58, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, it'd be a more efficient way to have a just a one big template IMO since having many navigational templates for different aspects of a single is a bit of "all over the place". Also, I'm glad your considering putting those Allusions pages into mainspace. There's just so many thing in Berseria alone that are references to a lot of things.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:44, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Yes that's what I was meaning, a single template. I'll mess around with it sometime today.

Arosia (talk) 20:02, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

For characters, I added gallery links to their individual templates. For worlds and games (also Julio and Caro since they don't have individual templates), I created makeshift templates and embedded them at the bottom of the pages. They can be used for gallery, location description, or allusion links.

Arosia (talk) 23:12, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

If you're still interested in doing allusion pages, they'd slot nicely in with the Lore templates. I'd add it to the main links, but I'm afraid there's too many links on them already. Lanate (talk) 02:30, May 30, 2018 (UTC)
I don't think one more link will do harm. Just please note that there are still things missing on the existing Allusions pages in my userspace (especially regarding TotR).—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 16:53, May 30, 2018 (UTC)

ToB images

Hey. Not to be rude, but I actually already have official artwork of all characters from the World Guidance book.

I'm really just waiting to upload them until the pages are created, as I'm trying to avoid unused photos piling up again. Feel free to upload artes and locations, but I have characters covered with official artwork.

Arosia (talk) 20:29, February 10, 2017 (UTC)

So

How long do you intend to keep this post up? Obviously, any advertisement of those wikis is a lost cause. In fact, I'm currently writing up an appeal to have both closed, as the Tales of Wiki is dead and Talespedia is dying.

Arosia (talk) 05:12, February 11, 2017 (UTC)

Well, until I delete my Tumblr, I suppose. Just because I'm presenting my opinions there that you might not like doesn't mean I'm required to delete it. When/If any of those two wikis will be closed, I'll just delete links to them.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 08:16, February 11, 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't have a problem with it if it weren't for the fact that you're spreading false information. The issue with Taleslations was not one of plagiarism, and it's not for you, or anyone else for that matter, to know what it was that we discussed. We have a very solid relationship with Taleslations now, thanks to me. I removed the "official" wording from the Tales of Wiki, and I would say I'm extremely lenient on page creation. The only time I don't allow it is if it's like a single sentence or formatted entirely wrong.

There's not even a remote chance that another English-language wiki could match the information we have on this one at this point, so obviously, my stance will always be that other wikis for this series should not exist. It's not incredibly popular outside of Japan, and creating alternative wikis will only divide an already small community. And don't think I'll ever stop administering this wiki. In the immortal words of Mayu, the day I stop editing this wiki, you can pretty much assume I got hit by a car or something. All I'm saying is your "opinions" are baseless and tactless.

Arosia (talk) 08:30, February 11, 2017 (UTC)

I can write an emendation at the bottom of that post speaking about my false assumptions. Wouldn't just deleting that post be denying of myself? I'd rather be a person who admits to an error than pretend it didn't happen and explain what has changed since them. And I'm very grateful that you've became lenient on page creation since I think it helped at least a tiny bit to bring to the wiki like one or two people I think, even though they mostly deal with arte pages, but still it's something.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 08:41, February 11, 2017 (UTC)

ToB locations

Is your list complete, and is it copied verbatim from the game? Order and everything?

Arosia (talk) 08:08, February 13, 2017 (UTC)

From what I know I lack only two locations: EX dungeon and the last Class 4 Administrative Zone, but aside of that the list is likely complete.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 08:22, February 13, 2017 (UTC)

Categories question

I am sure I misplaced Earth Dragon Fang as a Martial Combo Arte, and I can't delete it now. Does that mean that only the admins can change the categories?

HiroIzungo17 (talk) 15:39, August 6, 2017 (UTC)

It's been fixed now. On a side note, both of you be sure to remember that it's "In-Game Descriptions and Battle Quotes". I've noticed this a few times now.

Arosia (talk) 22:26, August 6, 2017 (UTC)

Zestiria/Berseria timeline

I realize there's quite a few red links related to the different eras and ages defined by this series. Rather than having each of these occupy a page of their own, I was considering compiling them into the relevant "History" sections of the Glenwood and Desolation pages, divided by sub-headers so that redirects can be applied instead. I'm mentioning this to you in the event that you wanted to jump on this project since you seem to have an interest in the correlation between these games. If not, I'll figure something out. This page on Allesteiler Wiki would be good to use as reference.

Arosia (talk) 06:37, August 21, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I can work on history for ToZ/ToB. Just on which article it should be? I think Glenwood would be a better choice since ToZ is a sequel to ToB. Well, that German Wiki article is also nice as a reference point.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 08:10, August 21, 2017 (UTC)

I'd say wherever it's more relevant, as in which time period it's closest to. Periods occurring prior to Berseria, for example, should go on the Desolation page, and then all periods after that can probably go on the Glenwood page. That's how I'd do it.

Arosia (talk) 22:06, August 21, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do just that.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:08, August 22, 2017 (UTC)

Hello?

Do you see the recent changes?

Arosia (talk) 12:45, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Apologies. I see you want them as a single bullet although personally I'd prefer if one bullet was for costumes available to a character and the other was for costumes originating from that character. I understand you want to minimize the amount of Trivia, but I think in this case you're overdoing it. Still, I'll adapt.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:50, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

I'm tempted to remove it all, actually. Read my talk page.

Arosia (talk) 12:52, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Just stop.

Arosia (talk) 12:54, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

It is pointless to try to reason with you on anything because you have to have it your way. You make a career out of making useless edits to make it seem like you're actually doing something. Right now? You are doing nothing but producing more cleanup for me later when I do away with all this mess and put everything on a single fucking page. Like I said.

Arosia (talk) 12:56, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

You have wasted over an hour of both your time and mine.

Arosia (talk) 12:57, September 3, 2017 (UTC)

Linking

Pay attention to your linking on arte pages because I do not like having to fix each one. It's hard enough trying to keep arte pages clean and consistent. I've warned you about this before.

Arosia (talk) 23:24, September 30, 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm a bit unsure on linking in the arte pages. From what I understand, the first instance of the article name is to be linked, with the exception of "Appearances" section where all games are to be linked?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:59, October 1, 2017 (UTC)

Right, but you're linking in the "Arte Description and History" section when the game is already linked above. Refer to my edits.

Arosia (talk) 19:41, October 1, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thank you.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:53, October 1, 2017 (UTC)

..........

We don't do latest any more. We only move when a name has strictly more localizations than the current name, otherwise we have the Fireball / Fire Ball issue. - Lanate 2017

There you have it.

Arosia (talk) 05:13, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

Understood. In that case, I think updating Aselia:Manual of Style#Titles and Section Headings, "If there is a tie in the number of localized names, preference should be given to the most recent localized name.", to be precise, would be advised to something like "If there is a tie in the number of localized names, preference should be given to the older localized name."—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:06, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

Grammar

You mess this up quite a bit so I figured I'd finally say something about it. You frequently fail to employ necessary identifiers in your writing, article adjectives such as a, an, and the, which leaves sentences sounding awkward. It's actually very frustrating when you create arte pages because I know I have to look over them for these very mistakes, among others.

Arosia (talk) 18:15, November 19, 2017 (UTC)

Apologies. Grammar is not my strong suit, although I try to improve. I'll keep in mind to review my sentences more than before. And thanks for fixing all those errors, I really appreciate it.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 18:38, November 19, 2017 (UTC)

A Question

Ok, so I've already asked Arosia for her opinion on the subject, so she recommended me that I ask you for your opinion as well. Should the Empyrean's Throne from Tales of Berseria and Artorius's Throne from Tales of Zestiria be one single page? They're practically the same location, just two games and one-thousand years apart.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 01:18, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

I think we should keep them apart. If we decide to put Berseria and Zestiria location articles on the same page where it is applicable we might get into conflict on which name should be the article's name: Berseria's or Zestiria's. Also, keeping them on separate pages will reduce spoilers for the other game by a significant amount IMO.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 14:57, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Stop creating arte pages

It's become more of a hassle than anything, so take a break from it or something, I don't know. You do just fine with all the Rays stuff so stick with that, but I can't handle your arte descriptions anymore. There's some disconnect you have with the English language that just makes them sound awful, and I'm not going to waste my time researching these artes' appearances to write the descriptions myself. Just do something else.

Arosia (talk) 01:40, December 17, 2017 (UTC)

Images for arte pages lacking them would be great.

Arosia (talk) 18:38, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

Just want to say thank you for actually being a decent contributor who keeps things updated while knowing the rules and how to abide by them.

Arosia (talk) 00:29, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you too. That's really kind of you to say that. I'll keep on helping out to the best of my abilities.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:08, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

Corrections

Please note my fixes to your edits. A semicolon is used in those instances.

Arosia (talk) 00:28, April 2, 2018 (UTC)

Wait, can we have a discussion about this? I was under the impression that we used commas for those instances, and only used semicolons to separate out flatly different localizations or when they have special modifiers, such as Skill or Cutscene. Lanate (talk) 02:46, April 3, 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I see how a literal reading of the rules leads you to that conclusion. It wasn't what I intended when I wrote that section though. Lanate (talk) 02:49, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

:|

Arosia (talk) 02:50, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, you can blame me for this; Kaimi was following my example. The idea is that the semicolons represent sections, while commas represent elements in that section:
A (First Aid), B (First-Aid), C; Skill: D, E (First Aid), F
To parse this, it represents A, B, and C have access to it as an arte, while D, E, and F have access to it as a skill. It's localized as "First Aid" when used by A, D, and E, as "First-Aid" by B, and not localized when used by C and F. I'll do back over the other arte pages and standardize them while updating the Page Outlines. Lanate (talk) 02:56, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

Okay, thanks and sorry.

Arosia (talk) 03:04, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

My fault for not properly updating the page outline. Lanate (talk) 03:05, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

Departure

Thank you for all the work you've done for the wiki, and good luck.

Arosia (talk) 23:04, April 5, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you and I wish you success in your future endeavours.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 13:30, April 6, 2018 (UTC)

Tales of the Rays - Final Chapter

Hey, Kaimi. You explained that the Shadow Battles in Tales of the Rays are a part for achieving the final part of the final chapter, so I wondered if you have any idea what exactly I have to do to unlock it? I beat all four shadow beasts on all different difficulties, but the completion rate doesn't go above 57,4%. I can't imagine that they didn't put the final part in the game, because right now the ending of the 14th chapter doesn't fell like a true ending at all.

Combatir (talk) 19:15, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you have to do this on a single general, on each of the generals, or it accumulates points acquired by defeating all generals regardless of whom they are, but we need to acquire 2,000,000 points to unlock the second part of the final chapter. Like I said before, not sure if those 2,000,000 points you need to accumulate on a single general, on each of them (which would bring us to the minimum of 8,000,000 points total), or do they sum up all shadow generals. Right now I'm focused on Sara's event. And the total points acquired are accumulated once every 24 hours to my understanding.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:23, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

Oh, so it's like that all players are working together to unlock the final part. I see. I just saw the info-part to the Shadow Battles and for me it seems that we have to reach those points for each shadow beast (and Dist is already finished).

Combatir (talk) 20:51, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

Exorcist Cards

Hey, Kaimi! Just to let you know, the Melchior Card is Rank 10. :) You can learn that from a child in Yseult (I think, maybe it was Haria) who mentions that the Magillanica Rank 0 Card appears under the Melchior Rank 10 Cards when the sticker is removed.

I also noticed a mistake in your notes about the Empyreans. Amenoch is not male, but female. Her gender is the only known of the four elemental Empyreans.

Greetings!

Combatir (talk) 19:34, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

Ah, thanks about those exorcist cards. I got the Magillanica card info from the Haria kid too, but couldn't recall who was the rank 10 exorcist. Also, I'm pretty sure Amenoch was referenced several times as a guy, but I am unsure TBH.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:57, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

No, Amenoch is only mentioned as female. For example, when you first visit Yseult you will talk to the merchant who thought Grimoirh was Amenoch. He will call her a female. :) I bet that she is also mentioned in the Palamedes temple since it is one of her temples.

Combatir (talk) 20:24, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

Content Moderator

Would you be willing to accept a Content Moderator position? Your contributions to the wiki have been valuable, and you have a good grasp of the rules, especially with artes. Lanate (talk) 18:16, December 7, 2018 (UTC)

If you think I'm up for the task, then I don't mind. Still, whenever I'll be unsure of something expect me to come to you with questions. ;) —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:15, December 7, 2018 (UTC)

No wiki for "Monster"? Why?

>Housekeeping: Please put some substantial content before publishing in mainspace; at least work on the article in your userspace if you need.

The only reason I putted that article there in the first place because most Tales games of went on about monsters until Zestiria yet no one had seem to have done it compared with the spirits article. And on top of that most wikis have been saying that copy and paste from other wikis to provide better information to improve is wrong. And so I figured, "why not just put some adjust pieces in first and let the others fill in the background afterwards when the get the chance?".
Sonic2479 (talk) 5:33, January 6, 2019 Camden NY
Our current policy is to have no stub-type articles in the mainspace. We simply lack in the number of active contributors to provide substantial expansions when an article is just a sentence or two wrong with loads of sections.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:02, January 7, 2019 (UTC)

Does this wiki look like its getting low on certain things?

I check out the Demon page and it looked like something that might be somewhat disapproving comparing the part you haven about The Heavenly Steppes on that page. So I had to make certain adjustment and since would did say about not wanting about empty spaces in a created page, I thought "Why not make this page like this, and surly in tome someone might create the pages and fill in the red ones?" I mean honestly, do you at least ever stop and thing to yourself that even this wiki is getting low on even the races/species thing? Besides, there are humans through out most of the Tales games right?
Sonic2479 (talk) 11:37, January 7, 2019 Camden NY
First thing, titles of our non-list articles are generally in singular form so putting "[[malak]]him" is an acceptable and prefered form. Second, not every thing needs to be an article, like "human" and "animal"; while we could use a "Monster" article on which focus is put on where monsters are tied to the world building and are not just there to serve the party as EXP generator (like, ToS:DotNW, ToZ/ToB, and some other) it's generally prefered if a rather substantial article appears in the mainspace; you are free to work on it in your userspace. I know that Aselia might not be the easiest Wiki to work with, but this is the way it had been for as long as I remember and it worked pretty well. You are free to contact Lanate to suggest changes regarding our policies as they are the admin here and I am a Content Moderator so I can't change things "just like that"; there needs to be a consensus that's most beneficial to everyone.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:56, January 7, 2019 (UTC)

Boss Artes

Have you found any information regarding the artes used by the bosses Alice, Magnar, Zagi, Van Aifread, et cetera? I wish Oscar Dragonia were a playable too...--Hiromichi (talk) 21:31, February 27, 2019 (UTC)

The best you can do is to watch videos on YT and base descriptions on that.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:09, February 27, 2019 (UTC)

Fandom Rewards

Hi Kaimi,
I noticed you've been dedicating a lot of effort toward improving and maintaining this wiki over the last few years.

Fandom has a community initiative that looks to reward users like you who have worked hard for the benefit of their wiki communities. If you're interested, Fandom might be able to reward you with some swag, a free game, or a pre-order for an upcoming game of your choosing. 😀

Are you interested, and do you happen to have any games or swag in mind that you would really like to have?
- Sitb (Message wall / Talk page) 09:16, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

It's really nice to hear that my hard work is noticed. I am interested in your offer, if possible a pre-order for an upcoming game, however the one I'm interested in doesn't have any pre-order information for the moment. Still, I'd like to talk about this more, but perhaps on via private means, like a PM on Discord or some other platform if possible. Once again, thank you kindly for your offer and I hope to hear from you soon.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 11:40, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

Philine Storieday Wallare

Shouldn't it be "Philine Strigidae Volare?" https://godeater.fandom.com/wiki/Philine_Strigidae_VolareNDS123 (talk) 9:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

When I was doing research on God Eater Wiki when the collab came out it had her name listed as "Philine Storieday Wallare". It's possible it was changed since then in GE localization.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:50, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Philine Storieday Wallare (continued)

I'm gonna put her page up. Can you help me in case the name doesn't work? —NDS123 (talk) 9:11 a.m., 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Just asking.

  1. I'm curious as to how (and why) we don't put up awakened images of characters from Tales of the Rays. When I suggested that they could be used to replace the current cut-ins since the show more of the character than the cut-ins do, you said that "what we have is enough," but I don't get why Kirito's is missing. (I know those two are not related.) Was it a limited-time window that you missed?
  2. If memory serves me right, you told Lanate you were working on a 'template' to replace the wide, scrolly one we currently have for the ToCrestoria Units, which Lanate approved of. Is it still in progress? —NDS123 (talk) 1:36, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Ad 1. We are not going to put awakened images because they are "flavor" type kinda images in the game itself. Besides uploading such an image that displays a characters in a different pose is pointless.
Ad 2. There was a disonance between active users regarding changing the table layout to a more compact one, so no further step was taken. Like I stated before, I'm all for changing the table format, but I'd like it if it was something that majority agreed on instead of it being some kind of "despotic change" that everyone must accept even if majority is against it.
Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:31, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

You didn't answer my question about Kirito's cut-in... —NDS123 (talk) 6:19, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Who is this?

https://torays.tales-ch.jp/images/character/baldo/illust.png https://torays.tales-ch.jp/NDS123 (talk) 8:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

It's a character original to Tales of the Rays. He first appeared in Mirrage Prison arc with his soul or something occupying Flynn's body. Since then he has somehow regained his original body. I already have his illustration extracted from the website, so when the article for him will appear it will be uploaded. ;)—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

So you know more about "Baldo" than I do.

"...when the article for him will appear it will be uploaded", huh? Well, I think I can help you with that, but I'm gonna need help with his info. Tell you what, I put up the article and format and you put in the history and images, deal? —NDS123 (talk) 10:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

It was completely unnecessary for you to create a new topic for it. Also, I hardly know much more than that about Baldo. I play the game, but I have no communicative level of knowledge of Japanese to be able to write a decent "History" section for him. Someone more versed in Japanese and the game itself would be a better choice for that thing. —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:29, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
  1. Sorry, I'm a little on edge since we don't have the message system anymore.
  2. Does Lanate? If so, can we ask him?
  3. Apparently, the Tales of the Rays Wiki reference him as Baldr. But I honestly think the name (バルド) is their best and only defense, because I found these letters in another name here.
  4. Also, I found a bigger picture for this: https://torays.tales-ch.jp/images/character/karya_n/illust.pngNDS123 (talk) 12:03, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Ad 1. The message wall system is annoying TBH.
Ad 2. No, Lanate doesn't have message wall as well. You can have either message walls or talk pages, not both at the same time. Like Arosia and probably few others I am not a fan of message walls.
Ad 3. Since TotR bases a lot of its naming conventions on Norse mythology, TotR Wiki compromises between Japanese names and their English equivalents when deciding on names on their Wiki. We generally do that as well, but once an official romanization of names and terms appears they are considered canon on Aselia Wiki and we use those official romanizations.
Ad 4. I'll, or someone else, will likely update Karia's profile image, but it's not top priority.
Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:46, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
  1. The Discord option is still on the table...
  2. I was referring to "more versed in Japanese and the game itself." —NDS123 (talk) 4:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Ad 1. I brought the option to use Discord for communication but it was disapproved. I think it's mainly keep Wiki discussion to Wiki.
Ad 2. You should have worded that differently. Mental shortcuts are not beneficial to anyone's interest.
Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:07, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

  1. Ah- They just changed it back to Baldo.
  2. Konsou Genbu; Thank you. —NDS123 (talk) 9:12, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Mystic Arte translations

I was snooping around the web with "刹禍滅影斬" on the search bar (Cursed Bladeshadow) until I found this website. I don't know whether or not the rest of it's bullcrap, but the Crestoria quotes seem pretty on par. —NDS123 (talk) 2:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Force Field, Tales of Vesperia: The First Strike: Hisca Aiheap

Can you add Tales of Vesperia: The First Strike in Template:Arte Appearances? Hisca Aiheap uses it in the beginning of the film. —NDS123 (talk) 12:24, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Done. Lanate (talk) 04:29, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Dark Laser

I don't know what to make of this... Dark Laser is Dark Eraser in Japan while Dark Laser (Ricardo) is Dark Laser in Japan. Is it because of chronological order? —NDS123 (talk) 8:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it is because of chronological localization order to be more precise. Generally first localized name takes priority over katakana name because this is an English Wiki and generally people would first look things by the English name provided by Bamco in a localized game. "Japanese-English" names have secondary priority.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:05, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I wanna say something about that, but I don't know how. —NDS123 (talk) 9:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Three-step Murder in Tales of Crestoria

Should I screenshot Goenzan, Zankudan, and Ressaidan too? —NDS123 (talk) 3:53, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Not really; it's fine as is. Lanate (talk) 04:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Biting Burst quote (バイティングバースト)

I got two sources that say different things.

  • This one says: "面白ぇ!やってやるぜ!喰らいやがれ!バイティングバースト!!"
  • This one says: "おもしれえ!やってやるぜ!食らいやがれ!バイティングバースト!"

Which is more official? —NDS123 (talk) 4:26, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Image-related

  1. Characters in the Table of Contents: Lanate & I are discussing something on his talk page and I'd appreciate input.
  2. Xenomalenifica: Both Assid & Forte use it, but which image should I upload? Assid's or Forte's?—NDS123 (talk) 12:19, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Could you translate these please?

Soaring Hollyhock Kick, Soulstoke Celebration, and Tremorous Celestial Sundering Shredding Light of Cyclonic Butchery. —NDS123 (talk) 8:48, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Do not force someone to translate things. Soaring Hollyhock Kick even lacks romanization which I did not provide because I had problems with providing proper one.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Tales of Crestoria section

I know this won't work because not all of the characters have their Crestoria section, but what if we try this? Sophie#Tales of CrestoriaNDS123 (talk) 9:16 23 December 2020 (UTC)

I highly doubt this is necessary...

RenaNDS123 (talk) 12:37 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I think that once we get more information on the planet Rena it will take over the redirect "Rena" with an annotation on top. Right now I think it's okay, although I understand that it might lead to confusion among some readers.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 14:38, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Vertical cut-ins

What's your take on vertical cut-ins? Like with Ruca Milda & Illia Animi's. Is there a different way we should put them, like of the left? —NDS123 (talk) 12:09 pm 5 January 2021 (UTC)

As long as they are put in a long paragraph I'm fine with either side.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

I know, I screwed up again

Can you rename this to "Kouhajin (TotR) Dio" please? —NDS123 (talk) 4:42 pm 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Is this a joke?!

Erin Fitzgerald voices Arria Ekberg! —NDS123 (talk) 10:24 am 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I presume that either original Tempestlocalization was at work when it first came out but was cancelled due to its poor reception in Japan or there is Tempest R in the works that Bamco is keeping silent about. Which is kinda strange because I don't recall they trademarking Tales of Tempest R and I think that Tales of Luminasia would be a renamed Tempest remake. Right now we just shouldn't mention that she is Arria's English VA in either the character's infobox and Trivia section; it would create unnecessary edit warring which I'm certain would happen.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 18:57, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

"Tales of Luminasia"? How come I've never heard of that? —NDS123 (talk) 11:57 am 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Tales of Crestoria Animation

  1. The credits at the end of Tales of Crestoria: The Wake of Sin reveal a lot of voice actors, and I have a funny feeling Takuya Kirimoto voices Cody Hjuger.
  2. They uploaded this, and I dunno whether to put it up here or not.

NDS123 (talk) 3:04 pm 8 January 2021 (UTC)

  1. Regarding voice actors: we need more than a listed VA to mention them on any character page, like information from an official site, or a Tweet by the voice actor in question confirming they voice a certain character.
  2. The "Behind the Scenes" definitely goes into "Animation" section of the game's Lore template, but I am not exactly sure how it should be called. I think "Tales of Crestoria: Behind the Scenes" would probably be the best choice, but perhaps Lanate could provide some input on that matter.
Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:00, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  1. And here I half-thought they only did that for English VA's...
  2. Why don't we ask him?

NDS123 (talk) 1:41 pm 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Template:TotR Characters

Why is it that Lina Inverse, Gourry Gabriev, Amelia Wil Tesla Saillune, Zelgadiss Graywords, and Xellos are not in here? —NDS123 (talk) 8:59 am 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Brightflash Flurry

Uhh... Why does nothing match up? —NDS123 (talk) 4:30 pm 13 January 2021 (UTC)

If by "nothing match up" you mean the descriptions provided in articles don't really reflect, when I first created those articles I based them on how they appeared in Tales of Link. Tales of the Rays took some liberties on portraying artes, hence why there are some inconsistencies between descriptions and (now probably primary) TotR arte executions.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Ring Photon & Mobius Photon descriptions

The fact that they use "Photon" (フォトン) in their names is not the best excuse, is it? —NDS123 (talk) 9:38 am 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Each game tends to make an arte look a bit distinct if they can, even if they share the same name (with the exception of Crestoria maybe where spells' animation is based on the character and the game they appear in). BTW, Rays' Photon appears to be taken from Symphonia.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 18:15, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Tales of Festival

Do live events not count? —NDS123 (talk) 7:52 am 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I suppose they could; I wouldn't be against them to be included in Arte Appearances template, but we also should get input from Lanate. (Please, don't barge into his talkspace about this; he'll certainly notice the discussion in Special:RecentChanges.)—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 16:46, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
If we really want to, I won't object to putting them under "Other". Lanate (talk) 03:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

How is "Other" supposed to work? —NDS123 (talk) 1:50 am 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Looking back then, I screwed up BIG TIME!

At this rate, I won't even be surprised if you lecture me about this one. Spoiler alert: Lesson learned. —NDS123 (talk) 10:53 am 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll do them at some point. I have a lot of stuff happening in my personal life right now that I can't fully commit to Aselia at the moment.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

I. Am the most. Pathetic. Uploader. Ever. —NDS123 (talk) 6:59 pm, 7 Febuary 2021 (UTC)

I feel stupid

The Tales of the Rays Twitter profile had screenshots the whole time! —NDS123 (talk) 3:44 am 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Which one's this?

十六夜聖斬NDS123 (talk) 6:43 pm, 6 Febuary 2021 (UTC)

Blood Sin kanjis

Shouldn't the kanjis be on the bottom, like with Dein Nomos, Gloandi, Planet Soul, and the Score? I mean, you get it with this video, right? —NDS123 (talk) 1:10 pm, 7 Febuary 2021 (UTC)

Arte Localizations

Hey, what's your opinion on nixing the Aselia Wiki:Master Arte Localization List/Cameo category entirely? With Rays increasing the number of such localizations by a lot, I came to the realization we shouldn't be reporting on the localization consistency of other franchises. Lanate (talk) 01:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

After your edit with Fire Bolt, I thought that was obvious enough. NDS123 (talk) 01:59, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps you're right about ditching report on other franchises' localization, since they're not Tales titles. Still, would/should we add artes from other franchises into Module:ArteLocName/data or should be remove/not add them?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 18:56, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Speaking of which, is that why this article still hasn't got it's artes localized yet? Even though I already did my research? NDS123 (talk) 20:04, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

We would remove them unless they got localizations in a Tales game. All of the artes would essentially becomes Tales-artes derived from other sources. For example, Flashing Penetrator got localized in Tales of Link, so it would remain.
And yes. Lanate (talk) 00:23, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

I've been meaning to ask this for a long time, but they're your images.

I found the expanded versions of Maltran, Jade and Sophie's here, but the only issue I got is... well... you uploaded them first. NDS123 (talk) 18:39, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

I have absolutely no idea what you're blabbering about.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Can I replace the current cut-ins you uploaded on the wiki, with the expanded ones in the source? NDS123 (talk) 20:12, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

And before you hit me with how I did the Berseria ones without Arosia's permission, I only did that because I used the same source. However, this is a different source. NDS123 (talk) 20:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

The ones we have right now are already of a very good quality. There's no need to improve on them further.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:44, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Quality over quantity... Can I ask something related to this? NDS123 (talk) 23:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Wait. Never mind, I mentioned it before with Kocis's cut-in, asking to combine the duplicates. NDS123 (talk) 00:55, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Thought you should know something.

It's at the very bottom. NDS123 (talk) 18:51, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Baldo

We should be able to fill out his "Fighting Style" when he is released, right? NDS123 (talk) 20:43, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, but we don't have page for him yet, so I don't really understand why you're asking this question.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:52, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Guess. NDS123 (talk) 22:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Fire Storm & Fire Storm (Arche)

Wait, what? I mean... what?! I honestly thought the latter would be somewhere in the former. I mean, I get Fire Ball & Fire Ball (Lina), but how does Tide Bullet get an "exception"? And speaking of which, Fire Ball has two spellings on it's page (ファイアボール and ファイアーボール) What ever happened to that? ....I'm so confused... NDS123 (talk) 22:43, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Ultimately, it comes down to how interrelated the artes are meant to be. When the artes are clearly related, we call them spelling differences. When they aren't, such as the fact that Arche's Fire Storm is derived from DanMachi, we take the spelling difference into account. Lanate (talk) 00:05, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Baldo's out!

I'll leave the artes to you, since you're the master at it. No pressure, I already used up my 3 pages. I can wait another day. NDS123 (talk) 18:28, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I made a page for Baldo. You said you were going to upload his image yourself. Is something up?

NDS123 (talk) 20:10, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

STOP. HARASSING. ME.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:18, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Kyle's Bakuenken

Any reason you reverted my changes? I feel it is extremely pertinent information about the properties of the attack that are not very well known, also considering how Bakuenken is easily the most important attack in his arsenal if you want to master Kyle, it is necessary to understand every aspect of this attack.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kusanagiryuu (talk).

IMO you went too much into detail, detail that could easily be added to the article's page where it would look better.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 15:31, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Bell's cut-in image

Do you want me to keep it basic or go for the gold?

NDS123 (talk) 22:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
It's not "basic" if it's a cut-in already. And do NOT post on my talk page. I've had ENOUGH of you for one lifetime already.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Burst arte pages

Hey, when I applied the changes to the various pages, I deliberately converted the multiple sections such that only the appearances section was split between the variations, e.g. Demon Fang. I thought the presence of so many short level 2 headers was very unappealing. Additionally, the reason why I started using the gallery format was because of the large amount of white space the images left when put in particular sections. Can we discuss what format should apply before we further get into an edit war? Lanate (talk) 20:30, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Personally, I hate going into H4 headers and more, mainly because how small header text starts to get at this level and besides it adds a "fake level" of complexity to pages IMO. Besides having individual "Arte Appearances (<Name)>" sections and a common "In-Game Descriptions and Battle Quotes" section looks like we have some kind of double standards. In other words, since in the past both "Arte Appearances" and "In-Game Descriptions and Battle Quotes" had tabs it was consistent; the way you want it now it feels like consistency is rubbish and relic of the past and we're pretending to be "flexible".
We are also clinging on keeping artes as merged as possible, which at times tends to make for arte pages to look grotesquely huge, like Demon Fang, which could honestly be split into its three variants and no tags would be needed at all. I get that many artes are based on others, are their extensions, and other, but personally it feels rather cluttered. I prefered it if we went the route of creating separate pages; a certainly time-consuming task for a while, but I think it would be a good choice.
tl;dr: let's break arte pages up. That way section headering wars should come to an end because we keep doing double standards with them.
Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:01, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
I actually disagree with the "double standard" comment, because the sections are supposed to be different, and I actually do think they're being flexible; I'm not particular fond of your particular implementation of inflexibility. I can agree to split some pages, but there are others that I don't particularly want to budge on, like Demon Fang itself. I disagree with your word choices such as "clinging" and "archaic" when I still feel that the format is relevant to get across the basic idea that they're the same arte that is spelled slightly differently depending on their activation method. Lanate (talk) 21:14, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
I am mostly indifferent about this matter, but I will say that a lot of these header names are redundant and could be read and navigated more easily as an end user if they were collated by information type and subdivided by arte, rather than the other way around as it is now. In effect, I am more amenable toward Lanate's approach, but more broadly applied such that the "Appearances" section also merges all variants together to avoid further redundancy. I'm not sure I could explain my idea adequately without providing an illustrative example, so I would envision something along the lines of this (and omitting the use of template cancer since I wouldn't know how to apply it appropriately):

==Appearances== ===Original Titles===

  • '''[[Tales of Vesperia]]''' - [[Estelle]] (Extreme Stars); [[Estelle]] (Star Sign - Flame); [[Estelle]] (Star Sign - Geo); [[Estelle]] (Star Sign - Gale); [[Estelle]] (Star Sign - Aqua)

===Cross-Over Titles===

  • '''[[Tales of Crestoria]]''' - [[Estelle]] (Extreme Stars)

===Collaborations===

  • '''Exos Heroes''' - [[Estelle]] (Extreme Stars)

==In-Game Descriptions and Battle Quotes== ===Tales of Vesperia=== '''Extreme Stars''' <br>'''Localized Description:''' "Burst Arte: Stab quickly and beautifully like a shooting star"

'''Japanese Quote:''' 星よりも清かに…エクストリームスターズ! <br>'''Romanized Quote:''' ''Hoshi yori mo sayaka ni… Ekusutoriimusutaazu!'' <br>'''Localized Quote:''' "Brighter than the heavens! Extreme Stars!"

'''Star Sign - Flame''' <br>'''Localized Quote:''' "Fly, O crimson wings! Star Sign - Flame!"

'''Star Sign - Geo''' <br>'''Localized Quote:''' "O obstinate steps! Star Sign - Geo!"

'''Star Sign - Gale''' <br>'''Localized Quote:''' "O exalted one! Star Sign - Gale!"

'''Star Sign - Aqua''' <br>'''Localized Quote:''' "O great beast that swims the oceans! Star Sign - Aqua!"

Doing this will make everything more condensed and concise overall, cleaning up the messy table of contents at the same time, though there is certainly room for more optimization. Some dashes or bullets might need to be added for clarity. A table-based format might work too, like having the arte name on the left and all relevant text data on the right. I'm just throwing these ideas out there, you guys can modify or ignore them as you will. Personally, I prefer the tabs, but those weren't really printer-friendly in the first place so I can agree with their removal from an accessibility standpoint. I will agree with Kaimi's assertation about the use of H4 headers being pointless due to font readability, as it starts to become indistinguishable from plain text, and I would suggest simply having those labels be written directly as bolded plain text instead (maybe caps-locked?), to avoid further cluttering of the table of contents.
I disagree with the need for multiple pages for these attack variants, as the attacks themselves are designed as merely variations on a single burst arte as opposed to truly independent attacks-- with the singular exception of Judith's Fuujin Fuubakusatsu for obvious reasons. In the case of Majinken/ken/ken, it is effectively the same scenario, though the page organization does leave a lot to be desired. My suggestions for the burst arte pages might not be as easily reconciled here, and it could take a lot more brainstorming to figure out a good, globally consistent formatting. Again, table usage might be worth considering.
With that said, I honestly don't want to care about infrastructure matters such as this; I'm just giving my input as an end user. If I were to weigh in on adjacent topics though, I'd say that the image density on these pages is too high. Yes, there are basically 5 different attacks. Just show one of them, and throw the rest into a gallery subpage or wtfever you guys decided to use. The text-to-image ratio is particularly poor on these pages, and we don't need them indenting what little text does exist on these pages. I will however applaud any efforts to deny the problem user any further interference with infrastructure matters, but by this point everyone is already in accord with that user's status as a troublemaker. I am genuinely baffled and somewhat horrified that you guys are still being so lenient.
Also, Kaimi, leave the hyperbole and wordplay insults to me, honey. :3c
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 02:30, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
I think I would prefer the appearances section to remain as such, but I like Mayu's suggestion for how to combine the "In-Game Descriptions and Battle Quotes" sections into a more manageable flow. I also agree that the image density on the pages can be too high and leads to too much whitespace, which is why I originally tried putting them into a gallery. If necessary, we can make Gallery subpages for them as well when they negatively affect spacing, such as on Divine Wolf as it currently stands. Lanate (talk) 03:55, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I think Mayu's proposition is the best. I presume that format would only apply to burst arte pages but others would still have individualized "Appearances" sections and an all-in-one "In-Game Descriptions and Battle Quotes"? Also, instead of:
==In-Game Descriptions and Battle Quotes==

===Tales of Vesperia=== '''Extreme Stars''' <br>'''Localized Description:''' "Burst Arte: Stab quickly and beautifully like a shooting star" '''Japanese Quote:''' 星よりも清かに…エクストリームスターズ! <br>'''Romanized Quote:''' ''Hoshi yori mo sayaka ni… Ekusutoriimusutaazu!'' <br>'''Localized Quote:''' "Brighter than the heavens! Extreme Stars!" '''Star Sign - Flame''' <br>'''Localized Quote:''' "Fly, O crimson wings! Star Sign - Flame!" [etc.]

we could probably go with this format:
==In-Game Descriptions and Battle Quotes==

===Tales of Vesperia=== ;Extreme Stars '''Localized Description:''' "Burst Arte: Stab quickly and beautifully like a shooting star" '''Japanese Quote:''' 星よりも清かに…エクストリームスターズ! <br>'''Romanized Quote:''' ''Hoshi yori mo sayaka ni… Ekusutoriimusutaazu!'' <br>'''Localized Quote:''' "Brighter than the heavens! Extreme Stars!" ;Star Sign - Flame '''Localized Quote:''' "Fly, O crimson wings! Star Sign - Flame!" [etc.]

since starting a line with ; will make it bold and look like a header without "forcing" it into Table of Contents.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 13:33, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Fashion Question

Hello, Kaimi. I've got a bit of a puzzler I need your help with. A few days ago, I added a page for the Tales of Xillia Fashion lists and according to Lanate, you decided to split it into separate groups....at least for the characters. Granted it's been a long while since I was here, and I was wondering if you could give me some insight on how to move forward on that front. I've done the Attachments already, just need some help on the Costumes...

XZone (talk)

Ideally, we would go with in-game categorizing. For character costumes it is easy because there's a section called "Appearance" that have "Hair" and "Costume" subsections. What I'm unsure of is the "Attachments" section which in ToX appears to be one "wing icon" slot and two "glasses icon" slots and they don't seem to have any official name in these. In ToX2 these three slots are just numbered 1, 2, and 3 which is easier. In ToX it would be good to distinguish these two "types" of attachments by some name but they don't have it; perhaps just "Type 1" and "Type 2".—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 16:00, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Well, having recently played Tales of Xillia, I believe the symbols are referring to the head and body. The "Wings" seem to be referring to attachments for the head and face areas...mainly different hairstyle additions or accessories. As for the "Glasses", they seem to be attachments for everywhere else. Of course, I don't get why they don't share the same symbol either...but after looking through them, that's my take on it.-XZone (talk)
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