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Tales of the World: Reve Unitia Arte Pages

So I found a Japanese Wiki which lists TotW:TU's character artes and made base for the arte list for Cress: link I'd like your input on it since we should get arte lists for that game at some point.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:36, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Just pointing out that Lanate is on vacation and will not be back until the end of the month.

Arosia (talk) 02:44, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, didn't know that. Thanks for mentioning that. Maybe you have something you'd like to say about the WIP arte page, Arosia?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:09, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

That's Lanate's jurisdiction, so I'm fine with whatever input he has or decisions he makes in that regard.

Arosia (talk) 03:08, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

I think it looks fine, but I'd move the AP Cost to the outside. When we design column-type pages, we typically put information related to requirements (costs, level) at the outer edge of the table. I think ToP SFC - Cress Albane: Artes has the closest column sorting to this. Lanate (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
All right I made the suggested change: link is this fine? If so, I'll gradually add arte lists for TotW:RU.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 00:06, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
I think that's fine, though I believe that Reve Unitia should share a template with Tactics Union. Lanate (talk) 03:55, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Arte categories

When you get back, I'd like your help in outlining what constitutes an arte being categorized in a particular arte category. Some can be vague, and I want all users to clearly be able to understand how they should categorize arte pages. This will also be useful for when we need to reference such criteria easily, either for other users or our own benefit (me, mainly).

Arosia (talk) 19:54, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

Back, but kind of groggy. Basically we have a bunch of defined categories listed on Aselia:Arte Category Order, and if an arte can fit in them, then we add them. We don't include a category if it fits within a subcategory, but it can fit into as many subcategories as necessary. We also tend to lump together if they're very close to each other in all but name.
Hm, I'd argue that the Seraphic Artes category is more equivalent to the spells category than a subset, and its offensive and healing versions are actually clearly delineated within the game (they have different casting markers). You could argue the same with Force magic artes:
  • Force Sorcery would be Offensive
  • Force Ritual would be Support
  • Fusionic Force Sorcery would be both Offensive and Arcane
  • Fusionic Force Climate would be both Support and Arcane
Lanate (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. You can feel free to change that list based on what you think is best. I trust your reasoning when it comes to artes. We should have everything clearly defined so that it's easier for me and other users to categorize arte pages appropriately.

Arosia (talk) 04:57, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Edit monitoring

Out of curiosity, were there any edits between last night's activity and your activity this morning? Even loading the past 500 edits doesn't show me lol.

Arosia (talk) 18:29, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

This, this, and the creation of User:Crystal Tear/History of Tales: Part 2 - Pop Goes Tales. Thankfully, I can hide my own edits. Lanate (talk) 18:31, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Lol okay, thanks. Sorry to bother.

Arosia (talk) 18:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Trying to avoid creating too many conversations on your talk page. I'm done. Are you going to do the ToD2 arte list pages, or do you want me to do them?

Arosia (talk) 06:07, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Lol, you caught me pretty much when I quit for the night. You can go ahead with them if you want. Lanate (talk) 02:14, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
On second thought, I'll do them. Lanate (talk) 02:22, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

So

I'm really impressed with the amount of work that has been done between the two of us recently, and I'm really liking how good the wiki is looking. Thanks for all the work you've done with the templates and arte list pages.

Arosia (talk) 04:48, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

And thanks to you too for the work on the images, templates, new arte pages, and general maintenance. Lanate (talk) 05:49, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Question. Do you know who this is official artwork of? I was thinking maybe Leianna, but I find it strange that she would have artwork and others like Fayte and Ilene wouldn't.

Arosia (talk) 01:30, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

No clue. I can confirm it's from a Mutsumi Inomata Tales of Destiny page though. Lanate (talk)

It has to be Leianna lol. There's no one else! ...but in all seriousness, the hair color matches, and she's like royalty or something, if I remember correctly. I dunno. I'm currently playing through the game again.

Arosia (talk) 03:19, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Possibly taken from this.

Arosia (talk) 03:24, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

It is from it. If you reverse image search it on google, it'll show the full page, except with zero context past the fact that she's from Tales of Destiny. Lanate (talk) 03:25, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I found the page. This and this are the only decent views I can get of her. Oh well.

Arosia (talk) 03:44, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

I thought we only created romanized redirects for artes that are unlocalized in some games, meaning they can be found listed on tables under their romanized names instead of localized names. I'm still learning about arte pages, but yeah, that's why I didn't create redirects for those two—they only appear in ToV. I've probably overlooked that on a few other occasions as well.

Also, do you have any other favorite characters in the series besides Jude (I'm assuming)? I wanted to update the Staff page.

Arosia (talk) 04:16, December 13, 2015 (UTC)

It's more future-proofing than anything else. If a future title uses it, it's a good way to catch it, and there's no real harm there. More just-in-case than anything else.
And for favorite characters, I'm just going to toss Sorey, Ludger, Guy, and Cress out there. Lanate (talk) 08:16, December 13, 2015 (UTC)

Untitled

Hello. Can you give me some tips on how to get my Ladle page to look like the other item pages? I'm not very tech-savvy and I thought that with your message that you left me that you could help. And thank you for your offer by the way.

Librat13 (talk) 05:54, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

First of all, that message on your wall from Lanate is auto-generated. He didn't actually post it himself. Second, you shouldn't have created that page if you didn't know how to properly because that leaves the job of formatting it correctly to someone else. If Lanate doesn't fix it for you, I will delete it.

Arosia (talk) 06:39, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

The general idea is to look at another page and just copy its formatting. Lanate (talk) 07:00, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Arte categories

Arte categories tend to be basic enough; as general rule, most categories except top-level categories are explicit categorizations rather than descriptive; some of the magic arte categories once were explicit as well but moved toward descriptive (and I'm still kind of iffy on that).

  • Category:Artes: General arte category. No individual arte should go here; there hasn't been a case where it hasn't been possible to classify something as either strike or magic.
    • Category:Physical Artes‎: Self-explanatory. Anything in here is a strike arte that hasn't been classified deeper.
      • Category:Standard Combo Artes: Contains the Base, Master, and Arcane arte categories; isn't used on it its own.
        • Category:Base Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Tokugi (特技?), as well as Hissatsuwaza (必殺技?) from Phantasia and Bushinwaza (武身技?) from Xillia and Xillia 2.
        • Category:Master Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Higi (秘技?), as well as Hissatsuwaza (必殺技?) from Tempest
        • Category:Arcane Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Ougi (奥義?)
      • Category:Elemental Physical Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as such in a game that includes the category; Jutsukengi (術剣技?) and Jutsukyuugi (術弓技?) in Destiny PS2 and Shinengi (思念技?) in Hearts.
      • Category:Martial Combo Artes: Contains the martial combo artes as used by Farah and Regal.
        • Category:Ground Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Chijougi (地上技?)
        • Category:Anti-Air Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Taikuugi (対空技?)
        • Category:Midair Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Kuuchuugi (空中技?)
        • Category:Special Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Tokushuwaza (特殊技?). Is probably going to be moved up one based on Eternia Online and Narikiri Dungeon X.
        • Category:Power Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Kyoudawaza (強打技?)
        • Category:Throws: Any strike arte that is derived from the throws in Legendia. Should really be moved up one.
    • Category:Spells: ‎Self-explanatory. Anything in here is a magic arte that hasn't been classified deeper.
      • Category:Novice Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as either Kakyuujutsu (下級術?) or Shokyuujutsu (初級術?)
      • Category:Intermediate Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as Chuukyuujutsu (中級術?)
      • Category:Advanced Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as Joukyuujutsu (上級術?)
      • Category:Arcane Magic Artes: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed Ougi (奥義?); Xillia and Xillia 2 so far, but Fusionic Force Climate and Fusionic Force Sorcery can fit in here as well.
      • Category:Offensive Spells: Any magic arte with attacking properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Kougekijutsu (攻撃術?) or in-game equivalent; Force Sorcery and Fusionic Force Sorcery seem to belong in here
      • Category:Healing Spells: Any magic arte with healing (curative) properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Chiyujutsu (治癒術?), Kaifukujutsu (回復術?), Kaifukugi (回復技?), or in-game equivalent
      • Category:Support Spells: Any magic arte with support (not curative) properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Hojojutsu (補助術?) or in-game equivalent
      • Category:Seal Spells: Any magic arte classed as Fujutsu (符術?)
      • Category:Formation Artes: Any magic arte classed as Jinjutsu (陣術?); originally Force Ritual and Fusionic Force Climate, but Radiant Mythology 3 introduced its own
    • Category:Mystic Artes: Any arte that has been classed a Hi Ougi (秘奥義?) or its in-game equivalent like Blast Caliber.
    • Category:Summons: Any arte that summons another create; originally meant for the Spirits but expanded to Jiraiya and Blue Dragon
    • Category:Unique Arte Types: Anything arte class that doesn't fit above
Lanate (talk) 03:28, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.

Arosia (talk) 18:45, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

PSX

Hello~

I admit I have fixed the entry on Suzu-chan page a bit in rush (Suzu Fujibayashi). I have later noticed that the error of "PSX" writing is global. Since probably I don't have enough edit power to do it, I would like to leave the note here. PSX is NOT PlayStation ("1"), it's an exclusive PS2 edition with DVD player bundled in one big freaking box. I'm not sure who was silly enough to start that bad trend of calling PlayStation per PSX but it's wrong. The most correct name for first Sony (actually half Sony) console is just "PlayStation" not even PS1 or worse PSOne, just PlayStation. If someone doesn't believe it, here goes: [image file removed]. There is nice big "PSX" on top and... "PlayStation 2" on bottom left, oh and a remote gratis. I hope that solves whole confusion about PS and PSX.

Best regards and have a nice day~

ISubaru (talk) 03:39, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

We had a discussion on Talk:Suzu Fujibayashi. Thank you for your contribution, but the original PlayStation was abbreviated as the PSX in the English community for long enough that it's still in use at the moment. Additionally, the PlayStation X console does not have native games, so there's no confusion on that end. We acknowledge its existence but will continue to use PSX as the acronym for the original PlayStation. Lanate (talk) 04:23, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Please write in paragraphs. Removing broken file link.

Arosia (talk) 04:46, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

I know you've been editing historical comments, but refactoring someone's current talk page comments is a little too controlling, I feel. At least on my own talk page, I'd rather leave them unedited from the writer's styling. Lanate (talk) 04:57, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

No, I really haven't. I've been structuring them into a titled format to distinguish differing conversations. I rarely adjust a person's comment, but if I do, it's either for readability or aesthetic purposes. I won't mess with it on your talk page anymore, but I will continue to do so elsewhere if I deem it necessary.

Arosia (talk) 05:03, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Also, going to make a point that broken file links should always be removed to avoid clogging the Wanted Files inventory, which I recently purged. I can blame Winxfan for the first two on that list.

Arosia (talk) 05:06, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

It just comes down to what we consider acceptable in terms of this, and we have different standards, that's all. I prefer leaving things as unedited as possible, and broken files, I'd rather wrap in nowiki tags, but I'm only going to apply that to my talk pages. Lanate (talk) 05:15, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Background

Lanate, you're better at computers than I am. I cannot for the life of me reduce the KB of this image, no matter what I try. I drastically reduced the pixel dimensions, obviously, but it didn't affect the KB. Compressing and saving it as a JPEG didn't work, either. There has to be a way to apply this image to the background and have it cover everything at the "fix" setting.

Arosia (talk) 00:27, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Improvised with this. I think it looks pretty.

Arosia (talk) 00:38, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

One more thing. Is there a search and replace function that you can use through Wikia?

Arosia (talk) 03:02, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I use AutoWikiBrowser. Can we tie functions to CSS as opposed to item so future color changes don't need to repeat this? Lanate (talk) 04:31, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean?

Arosia (talk) 04:36, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Something like ToP SFC - Trade Items, where we tie table colors to CSS classes in MediaWiki:Common.css as opposed to our current hard-coding. Lanate (talk) 04:46, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I would have to learn how to do it...

Arosia (talk) 04:51, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Gimme a day or two of experimenting? I think I can centralize something... Lanate (talk) 04:52, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

So revert what I've already done, or just don't do anymore, or what?

Arosia (talk) 04:55, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Don't do anymore? If the color ever changes again, it'll be another exercise in frustration as you're about to undergo. Lanate (talk) 04:59, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. The colors on this page are what I want, so I hope you're okay with them. The pastel shades compliment the new background and theme well.

Arosia (talk) 05:11, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I generally prefer a darker background, as you can tell by the original colors, but not enough to object. Lanate (talk) 05:14, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
How do these pages look?
I think they're all right on both Monobook and Wikia. Lanate (talk) 07:12, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, this is what I wanted. So what am I going to have to do now?

Arosia (talk) 07:16, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I'll do it since there's some quirks involved. But AutoWikiBrowser is still good for mass, repetitive edits. Lanate (talk) 07:32, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I wish I could help because I feel like it's going to be a long process. I'll look into the AutoWikiBrowser tomorrow. Goodnight.

Arosia (talk) 08:00, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Wow. Did you even sleep last night? I hate to ask, but were there any edits from other users during your sweep? Also, is that all of the arte pages done?

Arosia (talk) 19:49, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

No edits that I saw, and it's all arte and passive skill pages. Lanate (talk) 04:12, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

I'm wanting to do something on our main page similar to the Final Fantasy Wiki's main page, with the portaled buttons that redirect to different categories. I've noticed a lot of wikis have begun implementing it, but I'm not sure where to begin.

Arosia (talk) 01:30, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

I don't either, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 02:21, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Hm. I think it's configured through their CSS.

Arosia (talk) 02:39, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

ToP SFC icon images

I've uploaded them all, and I honestly would add them to the tables myself because I don't find it hard or that tedious, but the translations vary too much. I can't distinguish what is what, but I like to have the file names mirror their original source. I really am willing to do it, but do you know which ones differ, as in from our list compared to theirs? They alphabetize them, so I can't go based on stats.

Arosia (talk) 01:52, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean? You should be able to match image to item by either stat or effect. Lanate (talk) 03:10, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I think some of our translations are wrong.

Arosia (talk) 04:00, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Compared to what? Lanate (talk) 04:07, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Them. Who else?

Arosia (talk) 04:08, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I mean, that site is based off of the DeJap patch, but the list pages use the Japanese names as all unlocalized list pages do. Those pages don't and will never use fan translations as official names. Lanate (talk) 04:11, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Hey

I change my mind a lot, as you may have noticed. I've removed the animation images from all pages and sorted them into galleries that function identically to their category pages, but ultimately, I want them off the wiki. They're unnecessary and do nothing but take up space. I just wanted to give you a heads up in the event that you want to save or store them somewhere because I will be deleting them all tonight.

Arosia (talk) 03:43, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Honestly? I don't see the point of removing them. All it does is create more work than just leaving them alone in a gallery page where they're doing no harm. Lanate (talk) 03:51, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I wasn't really posting it for discussion. I'll be deleting them under "Author's request".

Arosia (talk) 04:32, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

This and this.

Arosia (talk) 03:54, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Also, are you cool with all the recent changes? I finished what I wanted to, so now I'm back to just adding/creating instead of mass cleaning.

Arosia (talk) 00:57, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

I don't see a better way of listing the characters in the crossover game, and considering that they're one of the central points, I like them as they are.
I'll work on readding Nova's information if I have time.
Also, what happened to all the useful sprite images, like Shizel's and Dhaos's different forms? I don't agree in deleting pictures that can be used to show the different appearances of characters, if in character galleries if nothing else. Without them, we actually have less information on the characters. Lanate (talk) 04:49, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I want to keep them of course, but don't you think a table or something would be better? As for the sprites, eh... I was reformatting a lot and purging what I didn't use. I believe those were deleted because I had replaced them with the enemies icon uploads or something? I'm not sure. I assumed they were duplicated. Are you positive the sprites aren't on the wiki anymore? I can add the newer ones to the appropriate pages.

Arosia (talk) 05:02, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

  • Past Shizel (ToE - PSX).png
  • ToP iOS Valkyrie.jpg
  • ToP iOS Feather Dhaos.jpeg
  • ToP GBA - Plume Dhaos.png
  • ToP GBA - Phaser Dhaos.png
  • ToP iOS Mars's Death.jpg
  • ToP iOS Cust.jpeg
These files are at the bare minimum show either character sprites or impactful events for the character, or even showing what Cust looks like on Thor's page. It's just... I disagree with your tendency to go back and forth on images and then delete things just because you don't like them at the moment. You just make more work on yourself. I'm also of the opinion that an image very rarely harms the wiki unless they're of poor quality, especially when they actually depict relevant things. Lanate (talk) 03:23, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'll restore them and plug them back into the pages they were removed from. I change my mind a lot and have super OCD, but I'm trying to tone it down.

Arosia (talk) 03:33, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! I hope you didn't mind me cross-categorizing the enemy sprites into character categories. Lanate (talk) 03:57, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

No, that's fine. I meant to do it myself back when I uploaded them but forgot. There's probably more duplicates that need to be deleted and replaced, like with the Valkyrie one you just did, but I can get to that whenever.

Arosia (talk) 04:01, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

"New user"

"I'm the first to admit that I'm not neutral in this, but there's something concerning the new user that I've found has held true over the years that I feel you should be aware of: here. I take a very hands off approach to this user because any good of their contributions tends to be colored by my perception. Lanate (talk) 02:55, March 4, 2016 (UTC)":

First you had a problem with me on the Digimon wiki and now here. I admit I made mistakes on the Digimon wiki but I did try to correct them to the best of my ability. What have I done here that aggravates you?

Jdogno7 (talk) 03:08, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, that's about enough. That link was all I needed. You'll stop there or receive a ban on yet another wiki.

Arosia (talk) 03:27, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Who are you speaking to?

Jdogno7 (talk) 03:41, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Cheriamainer

Could you please confirm how Sorey is a Seraphim? No offence to Arosia but she has not played it to view full detail. Just watching cutscenes does not help.

Shepherds turning into Seraph? Pwah. It is those that are of cleanliness and free of malevolence. Not Shepherds. We all know there have been failed Shepherds.

Anyway. Sorry. I removed the information from Edna's trivia because I was the one who added it believe it or not (check the history from a few months ago). I only deleted it because I am naturally on the Japanese Tales wikis (2 of them) and a new Tales wiki = helping them expand.

I added what I wrote on Edna's trivia on the other wiki and the admin said that since it is of my words then I should take responsibility.

Since Arosia technically hates me. I figured why should I leave my expansions here as I am migrating.

Anyway, where has it been confirmed of Sorey's age because it is definitely not the guidebooks. If you were the only wiki admin then I would not mind being here. But Arosia? Can't handle. I don' t mind helping out here but I am not going to if she keeps criticizing everything I do. Okay. I missed out the plural 's', big deal. You notice it, you fix it.

--Cheriamainer (talk) 14:43, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

Actually wait. My friend showed me the age source. I forgot about that. Okay, he is 17 but it is not entirely confirmed as it is secondary.--Cheriamainer (talk) 14:46, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

I was saying that it's heavily implied because of the extreme passage of time and the recurring theme of pure humans being able to be turned into seraphim. Lanate (talk) 03:15, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

What

Have you seen this shit? Google-powered ads with links to other wiki pages (not necessarily restricted to this wiki) are now embedded within articles on Wikia skin, appearing after the first main section. In addition, they've removed the recent sidebar that served as alternate "Read more" links. I am not at all happy with this, and I regret to say that it appears as though we embedded the ad ourselves as a table, which is literally what I believed it to be at first. Are people talking about this? If so, where? I am livid.

Arosia (talk) 22:02, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

I actually haven't seen it. I haven't been able to reproduce it either, but I run both NoScript and Adblock, neither of which I put wikia on the whitelist for... I tried on private browsing, and while the ads make the site unbearably slow, I don't see it in the middle of content. Lanate (talk) 01:10, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Strange. Has anyone been talking about it?

Arosia (talk) 02:29, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

There was something from December: here Lanate (talk) 02:37, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

I don't even know, but I really don't like it.

Arosia (talk) 04:41, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Look! It's so bad! Who thought this was acceptable? It's intrusive, and in examples such as this one, the links aren't even to our own pages!

Arosia (talk) 18:14, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

This is the worst I get. Again, I run NoScript and Adblock so it takes actual effort to see stuff like that. Wikia ads are the definition of obnoxious though. Lanate (talk) 04:55, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

I don't see the ads at all on my work computer, so I have no idea why they randomly began appearing on my home computer.

Arosia (talk) 19:24, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

Have you tried running some malware removal? Maybe some browser plugins? Lanate (talk) 02:52, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

So, something I just noticed. The Google-powered ads are no longer appearing for me. Yay, I guess?

Arosia (talk) 19:17, April 15, 2016 (UTC)

Hopefully it stays disappeared. Lanate (talk) 03:23, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

That user...

Surely there is a way to put an end to this. Do I need to report him to someone, or what?

Arosia (talk) 18:16, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

I wish there was. Look at the following exhibits: w:c:digimon:User talk:Jdogno7, w:c:digimon:Special:BlockList (if it says abusing multiple accounts within the last couple of years, it's probably them), w:c:megamitensei:User talk:Lanate, w:c:community:Thread:945264. Lanate (talk) 18:47, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

ToLink

Lanate, I only have a couple, but is it okay if I start adding some of the 5-star characters, or is there a specific reason why that page isn't up? Sagekita (talk) 04:51, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead. It only hasn't been created because I started from 1 star up, and I still haven't finished 4 star. Lanate (talk) 14:17, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Hey

Do you know of any way to contact Mayu, besides here? Like, is she active on anything else, that you know of?

Arosia (talk) 18:34, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but no. When she left, I believe she desired to distance herself from the fandom entirely. Lanate (talk) 18:36, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

That makes me sad because I was really hoping to reconcile things with her. Also, I've sort of patched things up with one of the admins at Taleslations, so I've added them as an affiliate. They may edit the wiki from time to time, providing citations or simply correcting wrong information.

Arosia (talk) 18:45, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I need your assistance please!

Please stop Arosia from posting false information on the Van Grants wiki page. The "trivia" they continue to change back makes absolutely no sense, is written quite poorly, and shows they never played the game. The reason for that cut-in effect was repeatedly established throughout the latter half of the game and is a nod to old-school games of the past. I've played and beaten Tales of the Abyss on the PS2 four times and even beat Nebilim. Please correct Arosia's misbehavior. --JarinJove (talk) 00:40, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Cute. I actually didn't post that information, but I will not let you remove it and add your own conjecture.

Arosia (talk) 06:02, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Insights

Check. These. Out. Has this information always been available? This is a great resource. I've always wanted to see these sort of statistics.

Arosia (talk) 03:13, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 00:31, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

About the ToZ status ailments page

Sorry for a late reply, i add the page a while ago not finish it yet because of some personal matter, but it was deleted the next day before i finish enter the data, the notice is because its not formatted correctly, well i`m not aware of the formatting and not really good at it, so is it better if i send the link to the data so you can format it? if yes then this is the link to the data TOZ STATUS AILMENTS --Vermeilia (talk) 11:42, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, it's there now. Lanate (talk) 00:31, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

Be honest...

Is the quality of those Tytree arte images I uploaded too poor? Are there some that work and others that don't? Do you suggested removing/deleting any?

Arosia (talk) 21:08, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

I think they're fine. Strike artes are difficult to encompass using static images, but they're good representations. Lanate (talk) 00:52, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks!

Arosia (talk) 01:10, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

One other thing. Do you think the wiki is pretty organized? Any areas you can think of that could use some attention?

Arosia (talk) 23:50, July 20, 2016 (UTC)

I've noticed we tend to lack in character pages for newer games, ToZ being an example. Such as I did with Ayla's page, I think it's acceptable to at least give the character a page with a template and a paragraph so that the basic information is there. Unfortunately, I know little to nothing about newer characters, such as say Symonne. Just throwing this out there if you would like to do such a thing, though I understand you're busy and mainly keep to data pages.

Arosia (talk) 05:22, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

I think the story based pages are probably where we need to focus on in terms of lacking. Characters and terminology definitely. On the other hand, I'm also going on vacation for the next two weeks. =/ Lanate (talk) 03:45, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

When you get back, maybe we can work together on creating a new priorities list for ourselves and the community. That way, our problematic areas are at least addressed in an organized way.

Arosia (talk) 04:04, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea. Lanate (talk) 04:22, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Would you like to work with me in developing a list of priorities, perhaps establishing some sort of discussion page in the process? I think the wiki is doing really well, and I don't have many things to say. The one thing I would like to focus on, with which Kaimi has been helping, is working toward putting all our image files to use. It's a gradual process of course, and it's not like I would rather not have the images on the wiki. I'm glad they're there, but I feel that it's been accumulating for a while now without much depletion. Obviously, arte and data/resource pages are what need to be created in order for many of the images to be put to use. I'm not as much concerned with the location images. Monster lists will be the most grueling, but I am willing to put in the time and energy.

Arosia (talk) 22:27, September 6, 2016 (UTC)

Sure. My input will be rather sporadic as I take a break after finishing the Tales of Link unit pages, but I won't completely disappear. Lanate (talk)

So, um...

Were you aware this existed? They have copied and pasted a few of our articles (Tales of the Tempest, Areura, Leymon), which is grounds for having the wiki closed since they failed to provide us with credit. Do you think this is an issue or no? As of now, I don't really care. I will care, however, if it continues to be a problem. Duplicate wikis are already frowned upon, and it wouldn't be difficult for me to take this to Wikia and have the issue resolved. I am going by exactly what is outlined here. Berseria seems to be the focus of the wiki, and from what I've noticed, there's only one contributor, the founder. Your thoughts?

Arosia (talk) 06:23, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

Before Mayu left, she gave me a list of duplicate wikis. I'm of the opinion that I don't much care about them, and the more they are left to languish, the better. Unless the content stealing becomes really absurd, it's fine to let them be, especially if they're focused on a subset of the franchise. Lanate (talk) 02:52, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Did you and Mayu communicate outside the wiki?

Arosia (talk) 02:55, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

A couple of times; we'd been working on this wiki together for years at that point. I'm still respecting her wishes to distance herself, however. Lanate (talk) 02:57, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Can we see about possibly switching over to Wikia's new infoboxes, if at all possible? They are space-savers and look a bit nicer, cleaner.

Arosia (talk) 00:48, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

That should be relatively simple; we don't do fancy magic with our templates (one of the reasons why we didn't implement them on another wiki was because of our complex infoboxes, and only half-way converting looks ugly). I'd be in support and could handle code porting tasks over the weekend. Lanate (talk) 02:49, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

Great! Thanks, Lanate!

Arosia (talk) 04:13, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

I did CharInfo; can you tell me how you feel about it? Lanate (talk) 01:46, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen, it looks great. It looks as tough some image sizes will have to be adjusted, but the tabber function is working properly. Also, the game titles aren't italicized. Will we have to do that manually?

Arosia (talk) 04:28, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that with PortableInfobox it is possible to adjust the sizes of images included in them: AFAIK PI always automatically adjust image width to the maximum width of the PI if they are wider than them. It might be possible to mess with CSS if image sizes can be manually set. Also, I don't think we need to put in the template italics for a single field; apostrophes aren't that hard to put it, are they? But yes, I think it's possible to adjust that either with CSS or the template itself.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:11, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

...that's not okay. Image sizes need to be adjusted in order to ensure they are visually appropriate and consistent across all pages. And you're talking about having to insert apostrophes into every existing CharInfo template we have. It really needs to be embedded in the code. Ugh. This is becoming less and less attractive the more I think and look at it.

Arosia (talk) 19:42, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Well, we could upload new images over existing one with "proper" sizes and let the template adjust them, but that would be more trouble than it's worth it IMO. The italics for certain cells is probably possible. I think reading a bit about PIs and/ot asking a central Wikia staff member for assistance would be good ways to go if we decide that we should use PIs, but want them to behave like we need them to.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:12, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

I wanted to do this for aesthetic purposes and because I assumed it would be a simple transition. While the transition was smooth, the result isn't as satisfactory as I had anticipated. Kind of wanting to revert back and not worry about it, but I'll see what Lanate says.

Arosia (talk) 21:50, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

I'm willing to revert; from a coding standpoint, I'm not a fan of giving up capability for relatively minor gain. If the whole point is aesthetics and the aesthetics fail, then why convert? Lanate (talk) 03:17, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. Please revert. There's nothing wrong with our original design, and I would rather focus our attention elsewhere as opposed to wrestling with this any further. Sorry for the trouble, Lanate.

Arosia (talk) 03:49, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Copyright

This wiki has had copy-paste content added to it from another Tales-based wiki, especially with the fact that there were no notes to the original author of the content. It seems Arosia has been taking this sort of content without reference or warning. It would be strongly advised to remove the contents and use valid content found from the actual game on the wiki. It is a completely and utter humiliation and the history checks between the two wiki show that the other wiki had the content along time before this.--Integrity1 (talk) 15:18, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Please continue any conversation on this matter on the user's talk page.

Arosia (talk) 19:19, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Pascal's mystic artes

Please share your opinion regarding Pascal's mystic artes.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:43, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Hello

Thanks for helping me out on those pages. I'm rather new at this and I don't have as much time on my hands at other editors might have, so your corrections are appreciated. I apologize for any mistakes I made.ErmacDonald (talk) 03:22, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

It's not problem; I don't have a lot of time either, but I do what I can. On a whole, parentheticals are a no, and we try to keep a neutral tone. I also try to make a concerted effort to avoid mentioning the player during storyline sections, rewriting it to be as best as possible to be in-universe. Canon is also a weird subject, so I think when a side story goes a particular route, how I phrased it on Colette and Sheena's pages is how to go about it. Thank you for your contributions! Lanate (talk) 03:32, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
Noted. Your edits implemented the changes I was trying to make far better than I was able to. The other admin simply reverted everything I did and was very uncivil about it, so I didn't know how to proceed at first. All I know is that Namco never said anything about the Drama CDs being canonical, and that the sequel allows the protagonist to follow up on their choices from the first game, with one obvious exception.ErmacDonald (talk) 05:23, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

Strike arte category?

This has never been a thing? If it were, there would be a colossal amount of artes needing to be categorized in it.

Arosia (talk) 02:42, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

I keep forgetting that we call it physical artes as a category. Lanate (talk) 02:44, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Oh. Why is Apocalypse Toll categorized as a base arte?

Arosia (talk) 02:45, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Nachtigal uses it as a martial arte, which is combined into the base arte category. Lanate (talk) 02:46, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Oh okay.

Arosia (talk) 02:47, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Artes for different Users

I want to put Satsugeki Bukoken images for both Anise Talin and Kohaku Hearts in Tales of VS., but I am not sure on how to name them. Could you tell me how to sort them out?

HiroIzungo17 (talk) 05:44, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Not necessary. In most cases, one image per game for a single arte works well enough. Otherwise, arte pages may become too clogged when we try to represent each game in which the move appears.

Arosia (talk) 06:05, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Hi

Please familiarize yourself with my recent changes to categories, particularly the implementation of the Storytelling Mechanics category and how these pages should be structured via Page Outlines, then let me know if you have any questions/concerns/suggestions. The only pages we don't have set outlines for now are features and songs. The few categorized feature page we have don't really fall well into other categories, and they mostly focus on their appearances in different games. I'll eventually create an outline. I've made sure our song pages all adhere to a similar format, so it shouldn't be difficult for me to establish an outline for that category as well.

Arosia (talk) 20:10, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Feature and song outlines added.

Arosia (talk) 22:37, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Is everything okay?

Arosia (talk) 05:59, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I literally have not had any free time in the run up to the holidays... I actually still don't. I may have a little more time after Thanksgiving. Lanate (talk) 03:58, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

Oh okay. No problem.

Arosia (talk) 04:23, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

Now that I have some breathing room, I read over them and have no concerns over the outlines as they are. Lanate (talk) 04:10, November 23, 2016 (UTC)

Your adminship

This is actually unrelated to the recent conversation on your talk page on your other wiki, but it sort of falls in line with it. What are your plans for both wikis? I'm sure you've noticed the recent changes page on this wiki. I've been busy all day and haven't had the time myself, but of course, I'm about to deal with it now. I think it would be best if you demoted yourself to a sysop, or if you want to entirely revoke your rights like Mayu did, that's fine as well. Although the wiki is fine, I'm going to begin reaching out to what remains of the Tales community and see what help I can find or what agreements I can come to. I don't feel it's too much to ask for a bureaucrat to check the wiki at least once a day. You do not fulfill that role, so I'm suggesting you revert to sysop. The fault is my own for forcing it upon you, so I'm making the necessary amends now.

Arosia (talk) 05:47, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

I'll self-demote, but I will say that it's micromanaging, dictatorial, and rather creepy how much you monitor my conversations elsewhere on the internet. It's that attitude that in large part drives me away from this wiki, as what used to be a fun way to share my knowledge and passion for the series has now turned into a chore, one that I find myself less able to devote time to as my offline responsibilities grow. Now it's a matter of what fun I can have with my limited time, and this wiki isn't making that list. Lanate (talk) 23:05, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Well, you won't have to worry about any of that anymore. Don't expect me to bug you about any of it again.

Arosia (talk) 23:43, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Okay

I'm just letting you know, so that you're not totally in the dark on this, there was an issue with the Tales of Transparent images being used on the wiki. I am not Tumblr-savvy; I was unaware of the limits of "free to use", as it does not allow for re-posting or claiming as one's own. Granted, I'm not guilty of that latter, but the former was the issue. I assumed re-posting meant re-uploading to Tumrly instead of re-blogging. Anyway, long story short, I was wrong. I saw the owner's post and decided to contact her personally. We've been trading emails and setting guidelines.

We are now affiliated with her site, and I will be adding a link to the main page here shortly. Likewise, you'll notice I credited the exact post for each image; this was one of the conditions. I also deleted some that were re-blogs and not as great quality. Another Tumblr user gave us permission to use their images, and I'm waiting for another to respond. I'll be uploading a few screenshots in our permission confirmation category for safeguarding. That's all.

Arosia (talk) 09:04, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

...and that takes care of it all. We're clear. The other user responded, and everything is okay. Also, the owner of Tales of Transparent is handling a few personal requests for the wiki (those ones I had listed on my talk page) when she has the time. They will be good representations for those antagonists.

Arosia (talk) 11:20, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Okay. Lanate (talk) 18:43, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Berseria localized arte names

I can't hold them (impatient users) off much longer, and I don't know how to tinker with your arte template system.

Arosia (talk) 00:00, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

I can't find master lists right now and don't have the time to compile them, so I switched over to the standard question marks for unknown localizations because I'm assuming that people will be smart enough to replace question marks with localization. Links are such that they remain unbroken if there are unexpected or conflicting localizations, which will get fixed later. Module:ArteLocName/data will get updated as necessary... probably on the weekend; the arte template is at least graceful about not finding a localization. Lanate (talk) 03:38, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Okay.

Arosia (talk) 03:39, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Brave Frontier

I didn't realize it was linked on that many pages. You could have redirect to the Brave Frontier Wiki if you wanted. I hope you understand why I deleted that page.

Arosia (talk) 04:45, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

I disagree with it but understand. Lanate (talk) 04:48, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Can you explain why?

Arosia (talk) 04:50, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Ultimately, I feel that in covering the Tales franchise, we can also cover the other franchises that the Tales series interacts with. Tales has had a more than casual relationship with other franchise since its advent. It simply doesn't hurt anything. Lanate (talk) 04:55, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Tempest icons

I just uploaded an image, which I took from Spriters Resource and cleaned. I'd like to crop and add these icons to the data pages, but many of them don't seem to be in order. I was wondering if you could help me?

Arosia (talk) 09:06, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

I might be able to help out with everything but the weapons; I can't seem to find an all weapons hack. Lanate (talk) 03:34, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

If you're not going to do anything with it, I'm deleting it.

Arosia (talk) 03:24, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

No skin off my nose then, if it can't wait for when I have time. Lanate (talk) 03:28, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

You're a real piece of work.

Arosia (talk) 03:29, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

Pot, kettle, much. Lanate (talk) 03:31, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

Anything on this? I haven't sat down with it yet.

Arosia (talk) 02:17, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

[list removed and transferred]
Lanate (talk) 03:42, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

I guess I'll do those and then just forget about the rest since we really have no way of knowing.

Arosia (talk) 06:01, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

And on a second note, I guess I won't bother with ones belonging on pages we don't have yet. We can keep this list though, as well as the image, and reference/add to it should the need ever arise.

Arosia (talk) 21:05, June 15, 2017 (UTC)

Also, I'm removing the list from here and transferring it to here.

Arosia (talk) 21:19, June 15, 2017 (UTC)

TotT skit images?

I'm looking at these and assuming they're fan art, but at the same time, I'm wondering if they could be from some official source. I wanted to see if you knew. I'm pretty sure they're just really good fan art. If you recall, a while back I thought maybe the skit images of Damuron and Casey here were official, but I believe they're just really good fan art as well. Notice the similar style? Just wanted your thoughts.

Arosia (talk) 19:20, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

This is linked at the bottom of that Damuron/Casey page. Are these manga/side material illustrations?

Arosia (talk) 19:22, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

The more I look at them, the more I disbelieve they're fan art. Especially since they're so similar in style to the Damuron/Casey ones. Do skit images such as these appear in side materials?

Arosia (talk) 19:32, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Also, side note in case you wonder what I'm doing, there's some talk page redirects that were left behind when the actual redirects were deleted. I'm deleting those, as well as removing old spam from current talk pages (Winxfan). Nothing of value is being lost.

Arosia (talk) 04:08, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

I think the Tempest skit images are fan art, as Radiant Mythology 3, VS., and Twin Brave all use the same skit image of Caius that is noticeably different from that one.
I also wouldn't trust anything on that Damuron and Casey page as official, as at least one of the images can be traced to pixiv. Lanate (talk) 04:13, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

Alright. What threw me off was that someone went into such detail with them. I considered messaging the original poster, but they seem to have abandoned that blog.

Arosia (talk) 04:20, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, there should be no redirects in this repository. They are the left-behind results of page moving. Ugh.

Arosia (talk) 05:35, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

All done!

Arosia (talk) 07:20, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

(・ω・)b Lanate (talk) 02:32, May 9, 2017 (UTC)

Confirmed that those skit images, as well as others drawn similarly, are from here and were created by this person. There's Tempest, Vesperia, First Strike, and Dawn of the New World ones.

Arosia (talk) 03:11, March 14, 2018 (UTC)

Talespedia

Fucking deal with this because I'm permabanned on that wiki. It even states in their rules that they are to not take content from our wiki, but the admin is a colossal idiot.

Arosia (talk) 08:27, June 12, 2017 (UTC)

Either revert the edit yourself or explain to someone with the IQ above that of a neanderthal that the content was taken from our wiki. Please.

Arosia (talk) 08:38, June 12, 2017 (UTC)

It's still happening with the same user. This and this were copied and pasted directly from our articles. She replied to you btw.

Arosia (talk) 20:54, July 14, 2017 (UTC)

This. You are going to have to get stern with them because this user has zero intellect. He is lifting images directly from our wiki and has now plagiarized another page because he doesn't possess the basic knowledge level to understand what the admin told him before.

Arosia (talk) 20:08, July 29, 2017 (UTC)

Lanate, I understand you are trying to be nice with them, but the user in question is quite literally retarded. I just read the conversation on his talk page on that wiki. You will have to remove the information yourself because that admin is useless and will take no action.

Arosia (talk) 22:29, August 8, 2017 (UTC)

If he does it again, I'll contact Staff.

Arosia (talk) 03:31, August 9, 2017 (UTC)

ToE

Hi, with regards to my TOE edits, I'm getting these numbers from http://talesing.fc2web.com/toe/flinge.htm

Please revert my edits.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kusanagiryuu (talk).

Edits should be properly sourced. Lanate (talk) 02:50, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

That link isn't perfect. I'm working with what I have. You can check in game that Blizzard and Absolute does indeed cause freeze. Mystic Sword also does indeed cause Knockback.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kusanagiryuu (talk).

Still needs a source. Lanate (talk) 03:08, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what to do when my source is "in-game". I'm not exactly familiar with all the rules of wikia editing, I'm just putting the info out there for the benefit of others. You could follow up with any edits you deem necessary to keep things in line with the rules but I ask that you don't simply delete any details until I can "prove" them.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kusanagiryuu (talk).

Details exist in the page history, but something like video or screenshot proof is necessary for claims like that that no one else claims. Lanate (talk) 03:15, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

Kusanagiryuu, please sign your posts.

Arosia (talk) 05:18, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

User name changes

Is something going on with these? Doesn't seem normal.

Arosia (talk) 03:21, July 9, 2017 (UTC)

They're a member of the technical staff; it looks like it's cleaning up some name changes that happened elsewhere and need to be fully propagated through the wikis. Lanate (talk) 03:51, July 9, 2017 (UTC)

Tales of the Rays

Why was the unlocalized tag removed on some pages and character pages moved based on name change if the game is not localized yet?

Arosia (talk) 02:41, July 16, 2017 (UTC)

Because the official website it out and localized the characters; I'm not holding strict to the "game itself must be out" for story-esque pages. On the data page, the lack of the unlocalized template implies that the data on the page is from the localized game, which it is not, and I won't add all of those question marks required until I have to. Lanate (talk) 02:56, July 16, 2017 (UTC)

TotR Icon Categorization

Hi. Can you move all of the character head icons in the "TotR Icon Images" category to a new category titled "TotR Character Icons", please? I'm not sure why I didn't do this initially. Thank you.

Arosia (talk) 21:21, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

One the side note with my translation bs being mitigated for now

What do you think of my personal Tales idea? Like with most of my personal crap it's incomplete btw. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 05:38, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

JP Sprites

Since I've never had much luck on English sites, I was wondering if you happened to know of any JP sprite ripping sites that I would have a better chance to find Destiny (PS2), Destiny 2, or Rebirth sprites.

Arosia (talk) 00:32, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

I found this, but he only posted Kyle's sprite sheet.

Arosia (talk) 00:41, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

I don't, sorry. I've tried looking, but I don't know the right keywords to get close to the right results, if they exist. Lanate (talk) 00:53, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for trying.

Arosia (talk) 01:02, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

On a side note, I'm guessing Japan's laws are stricter in regard to online illustration due to their lack of a "Fair Use" policy. It's a trend I've picked up on while visiting various JP sites, as well as JP Wikipedia pages.

Arosia (talk) 06:09, September 12, 2017 (UTC)

Problem?

Something has disabled the tabber function on the wiki.

Arosia (talk) 02:24, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Correction. Only in the CharInfo box.

Arosia (talk) 02:25, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Temporary glitch on your end? It's still fine for me. Lanate (talk) 02:28, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Images in the infobox displaying fine for you? They don't appear for me.

Arosia (talk) 02:31, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, scratch that. They altered the tabber function slightly, as indicated by its color variation. I went to edit the page and then previewed it only to see it working fine. I published the empty edit and the problem was resolved. I guess it was on my end.

Arosia (talk) 02:33, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Heh, there's the screenshots I was in the middle of posting: Monobook, Wikia. Lanate (talk) 02:35, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Lol thank you anyway for going through the trouble.

Arosia (talk) 02:43, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

TotR artes

So I am currently trying to pinpoint arte types in the Rays, and for certain there are two arte types stated in the "Info" section for each weapon arte; there are artes ( jutsu?) for damage and support spells, and recovery artes (回復術 kaifukujutsu?) for healing spells (although Tear's Healing Circle is strangely noted to be an arte in both releases, while it's clearly a recovery arte). For physical artes the thing is more complicated because it generally depends on the user and/or the user, although that is rather messed up. However in the announcement for the Reid/Farah event their artes Super Lightning Blade and Eagle's Rage, respectively, are identified as "strike artes". However I don't know where I should be looking for the original Japanese annoucement texts, if they are archived anywhere, although by looking at artes and recovery artes' Japanese names I think it's safe to assume that strike artes are ( waza?). I'm telling you this because you're the Wiki expert on arte pages and I hope that we could include those arte types for the game's arte lists. Also, on Google Drive I have a spreadsheet for weapon artes available via the Turtlez Shop with all the descriptions, so you can decide if we should add more details to arte pages (it also includes 2 event weapon artes from Tear/Jade event): link I do have a few more things to discuss: mainly fan-dubbed "hybrid artes" (strike artes that have elemental properties and use both P.ATK and A.ATK in their damage calculation but each stat has a different % weight put into each character's artes), total hits, and casting time for artes and recovery artes (spells only, fighters' recovery artes don't have casting time AFAIK; although I've no idea how long do each arte charges).—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:18, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

I found a vid from the Mikleo/Edna event that shows that they use the generic "jutsuwaza" term in that spot usually: here, though I haven't found one particularly for the Reid/Farah event. Lanate (talk) 04:09, October 6, 2017 (UTC)
So I've found this video and it appears that strike artes are written as (技技 wazawaza?). Still, I think we should do a bit more research on what other events call the physical arte type in JP, and wait for what WW will provide, although I think that "Artes" and "Recovery Artes" at least could be implemented, if you're not opposed to the idea.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:07, October 6, 2017 (UTC)
I'm inclined to think that "Wazawaza" is a typo more than anything; Mikleo's strike arte uses jutsuwaza, so I want a pattern before anything else. I'm still not seeing a case for recovery artes to be split off into their own category. If it has to be done, it'd be a level 3 header under the level 2 Artes header. Lanate (talk) 02:52, October 10, 2017 (UTC)
So the JP site apparently has the most recent announcement on their site (the same as WW site) and this is the announcement for Eizen/Laphicet event: link. It's possible that the WW release puts a bit of a flair in arte type naming in the announcements. It just might turn fruitless to identify strike artes' JP name since they doesn't appear to have one.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:24, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

So the Rita/Raven event arrived in WW and one of the announcements regarding event only weapons classifies Stone Blast as "strike arte", the same goes to Love Shot, so I suppose that it's nearly impossible to introduce some more arte categories in arte lists. At the very least I'd like to divide artes for "strike artes" (no casting time) and "artes" (have casting time; with a possible subsection for "recovery artes"). I could whip up some example table for both "strike artes" and "artes", based on the Wiki standard of course.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 16:30, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

Master Character List?

If it wouldn't be much of a problem, do you think you'd be able to compile a "master list" for characters to be used as a reference for ordering in "gameplay" templates? I ask because I've seen you recently redordered characters in "Template:TotR" to be in line with ToLink order. When I'm adding to the said template I tend to jump around the Wiki to get the best order (at least IMO), so it's somewhat time consuming to be doing that each time, and it might be helpful in the future as there will likely be more crossover games in the series.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:30, November 10, 2017 (UTC)

Aselia:Master Character Order for now. As more bosses appear, they can be added. The ordering for the games is: Mothership/Non-Crossover Escorts, Crossover Escorts, Mobile Titles. Each major category is sorted by Japanese release date (why DotNW is before Vesperia). Internal ordering is based on our own game templates for player character, with previously-enemy-now-playable characters appearing at the end in whatever order we want, though the more prominent enemies will probably be earlier. This ordering can be superseded by a crossover game's internal ordering if that internal ordering at least orders by game of origin. Lanate (talk) 19:05, November 10, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. That will certainly make things easier. I would also probably add TotR since I have a sneaky suspicion that with the reveal of Sarah's appearance in TotR, that Ix and Mileena units at the very least will appear in ToLink, but for now it wasn't confirmed in ToLink AFAIK.
On a somewhat related note, JP TotR is planning to introduce a new arte "tier", something like TotA's FOF Changes; I presume it'll be related to those voiced lines that share the same quotes across all characters' battle voices.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:24, November 10, 2017 (UTC)

Untitled

I edited Demonic Chaos as Lloyd Irving's Mirrage Arte, I hope you don't mind. Because most of my editing got reverted back to its original. I just wanted to expand my knowledge to everyone in FANDOM.

Hi, I'm editing an article about Light Blast based on Luke's Mirrage Arte, can you take a look at it? I wish you can edit it to your own knowledge about Light Blast that Luke used in Tales of the Rays, thank you.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haruko55 (talk).

The mirrist is not edited. I searched for what mirrist are in the Japanese version, it seems like it's roughly translated as Mirror Knights. Can you add a page about it? Thank you.

If you feel like the wiki is missing information about a topic, please add it. Lanate (talk) 03:31, November 26, 2017 (UTC)

Wings of Destruction

I noticed that both Walter and Ludger/Victor has an arte localized as "Wings of Destruction" but their Japanese names are different. Which "Wings of Destruction" gets a character tag: Walter or Ludger/Victor? My mind tells me it's Walter's since he is not a playable character, but I'd like your opinion on this since you're an "arte specialist" here. ;) —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:53, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, Walter would get the parser. Lanate (talk) 18:10, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Talespedia

There's a user who is taking all of the recently created Berseria location pages verbatim.

Seeing as how this a repeating pattern, I had in my mind to contact Wikia Staff to deal with the matter, but then I felt it was better simply to bring it to your attention and let you decide what to do.

Arosia (talk) 07:44, December 7, 2017 (UTC)

I just read the conversation between you and that user. Would you like me to contact Staff?

Arosia (talk) 00:47, December 12, 2017 (UTC)

I'm giving it a few more goes. Lanate (talk) 03:28, December 12, 2017 (UTC)

Alright.

Arosia (talk) 05:19, December 12, 2017 (UTC)

I really do apologize for this, but I have taken matters into my own hand with the problem users stealing content from Aselia to post on Talespedia. I reverted all violations and issued warnings to both users who stole content. I then posted on the admin's wall explaining my actions. If this is met with hostility and/or the re-adding of the information, I will let Staff handle the rest. Sorry to jump in and play head admin again, but I can only be ladylike for so long.

Arosia (talk) 18:52, December 19, 2017 (UTC)

My apologies for prying here, but I've done some investigating on this user. It turns out that he's not only copying pages onto Talespedia, but also onto other wikis as well. I found this malevolence page on the twin-verse wiki, and certain paragraphs are the exact same as Aselia's malevolence page.

EDIT: I've also found another malevolence page on the fan-made super smash keybladers wiki. Again, certain paragraphs are the same as Aselia's.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 02:36, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

He's the founder of both those wikis, but neither are actual wikis with communities and such. He's using them as his own private fangasm shrines for whatever reason. Generally Staff doesn't care about these wikis, but if he is just copying from other wikis, that is something worth reporting. He's literally taken the same information from our wiki and plastered it on both his wikis; it's more than just the malevolence page. I guess I'll be typing up a report to Staff tonight. Sigh.

Arosia (talk) 03:18, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

Further investigation has revealed that he's been also copying from the RWBY, One Piece, and Fairy Tail wikis. He's literally creating carbon copies of those wikis all into his own personal shrines, wholesale even. I think we should let the admins of those wikis be aware of this user so they can take action as well.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 03:40, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

I'll just finish dealing with all of this tomorrow. I've had a long day and really can't be bothered tonight.

Arosia (talk) 05:29, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

So I didn't notice this before but on both of his personal wikis, he's carefully placed links to Aselia and Talespedia. This covers his ass, which honestly is fine because those wikis are nothing more than his own weird playgrounds. A Staff member got back in touch with me and informed me that wikis of this nature are accepted, which I knew but wasn't aware to what extent, and that if he has a link to the original source then he's in the clear. I didn't even think to look for this so that's my bad. He's covered. They're pointless wikis no one will ever see or care about. It's fine.

That being said, Talespedia is not fine. Linking or not (there were no links on those pages), the non-interference agreement we have with them prevents any sharing of content. That being said, Staff will only step in if this is repeated without sourcing the material, which was the case before, otherwise it's left to the admin of that wiki. Don't hold your breath on that one. I'll keep an eye on Talespedia, but I'd say this situation is under control now.

Arosia (talk) 04:35, December 21, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for dealing with this mess. The run-up to the holidays has been really busy. Lanate (talk) 04:51, December 21, 2017 (UTC)

Alright. If the staff says so, then there's nothing that can be done. Just thought I could help out a bit with the situation that's all, but I'll leave the rest to you two.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 04:53, December 21, 2017 (UTC)

A Question

I've already talked to Arosia about this subject, and she recommended that I hear out your opinion as well. Should the Empyrean's Throne from Tales of Berseria and Artorius's Throne from Tales of Zestiria be one single page? They're practically the same location, just two games and one-thousand years apart.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 01:35, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't object, though we do keep the malak and seraph split. Lanate (talk) 04:10, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I'll make those pages separate while mentioning their connections in the history section.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 08:10, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Affiliation

I'm Kaede Ennead and I'm the author of Tales of Kemet. Tales of Kemet is a fan fiction dedicated to the Tales series. I'm even working on a wiki for it. You can read TOK here: https://kaedeennead.deviantart.com/gallery/62863276/Tales-of-Kemet For the Wiki: http://tales-of-cairo.wikia.com/wiki/Tales_of_Kemet_Wiki I would LOVE Tales of Kemet to become a video game! Please put my wiki under related wikia (even though it's under construction).

I think I'm going to have to decline. While I wish your fanfiction success, I would rather save affiliations for wikis related to official Tales media, such as crossovers. Lanate (talk) 04:36, December 23, 2017 (UTC)

Translation reasons

Derp. I forgot to bring this up AGES ago. Thing is, long ago when I was first editing this wikia, someone told me to NOT override of any of KusanagiLord's translations via the citations to his FAQ. I'm not sure if this still applies, so that's why to this day I've had my more literal translations alongside KusanagiLord's, but I'm reluctant to really get rid of his citations as well despite it confusing people ("the wikia's translations or that FAQ's translations...WHICH ONE DAMMIT?!")

Thing is however, I forgot who told me to leave KusanagiLord's translations alone. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 05:36, January 21, 2018 (UTC)

...I forgot too, possibly Arosia? The thing is, I only object if you override them and leave the citation intact. If you remove them entirely, take out the citation too. Lanate (talk) 20:12, January 21, 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, that's the problem; I'm sure it was via edit summaries that I was told to not mess with KusanagiLord's stuff since they held him in high regard, and it was years ago; the only first time I started editing this wikia again was mainly around after the time Tales of Zestiria was released, since I first worked on the Light Spear Blast arte's translation. But yeah, I'll ask Arosia too. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 07:18, January 22, 2018 (UTC)
On a random side note; speaking of translations, I've managed to download the most recent patch for Tales of the Rays (been finally playing that game again ever since the event to get both Asbel and Cheria in the party was occurring; the former is SO my on-point character from now on). Sadly, that said patch somehow started to mess up some text via typos and even revert localizations (such as Bestial Roar AKA Resshin Kohou literally showing its Japanese name in all instances)....I have no idea what Namco Bandai is doing anymore lol --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 11:00, January 24, 2018 (UTC)
Maybe I need to add a comment here? The past discussion on this topic is still on my active talk page, so the specifics of my resistance to SneaselSawashiro's altered translations are enumerated there. I just need to correct the perception that I hold any particular party's translations highly, as there were some arte pages where I ignored Kyo's translations from that GFAQs guide and inserted my own without citing the guide. I don't quite recall if I ever intended to have Sneasel list his translations alongside Kyo's, but knowing myself, I actually meant to say that if Sneasel's translations are not really significantly different due to the use of connotative synonyms, then the existing translations should stay unchanged and nothing else should have to be added, because it is pointless to re-translate something in a way that amounts to very minimal divergence from what already exists. If they -are- significantly different, then the existing translation should be replaced and Kyo's guide should be removed as a reference since it is not actually being used as such.
What was more of an irritating concern for me was Sneasel's translations implying some sort of connection to mythological entities in a game series that makes no such references intentionally. Things like "houou" and "raijin" need not equate to their divine counterparts when they are simply used as part of names for simple attack patterns. I don't know if this concept was reintroduced recently, because I don't intend to take the time to check on the relevant pages, but I will insist strongly that such mythological references must be removed because it is a very strong and objectionable translation liberty when applied to this series. It's as obnoxious and unnecessary as referring to Phantasia's houjutsu as "Methodism", along with all of the invented Hindustani references in the Innocence fan-trans patch based on the justification that TWO out of several reincarnated deities have a Hindu deity's name. If the translations are being changed from the existing cited ones for the sake of being more accurate or literal, then mythological things must be rejected for the same reason. That was the real cause for me reverting Sneasel's edits in the past. I even said so in the past discussion. If this has not been reintroduced, then just maintain vigilance against such things in the future. Of course, if the current adminship wants to accept more liberal translations, then you do you while I scream internally. It's not like I know what the community's preferences are anymore since this series has already fallen into the mobage trash bin along with Fate/GO's Saberface and Sakurafish clones.
Shallchair Bloodfallen (talk) 04:30, January 30, 2018 (UTC)

Space-time attacks

I feel like there's enough significance with these moves to warrant an article but wanted to ask you since you're more knowledgeable on them. If so, would you rather write the article or me?

Arosia (talk) 05:54, January 22, 2018 (UTC)

Oh, sorry for the late reply. I could write one up. Lanate (talk) 16:21, January 27, 2018 (UTC)

Haruko55

Look, I understand what you're trying to tell me. But as you can see, I'm not originally from America nor English. So I'm sorry if my grammar is incorrect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haruko55 (talk 08:52, 2018 January 27‎ (UTC)).

It doesn't matter where you're from; please just use correct grammar and formatting. Lanate (talk) 16:21, January 27, 2018 (UTC)

Or avoid creating arte pages altogether and focus your efforts elsewhere? Just a thought.

Arosia (talk) 17:54, January 27, 2018 (UTC)

Look here, I'm not trying to cause riots or anything. But you're the ones who said to "free to edit" in the main page. So what? My editing isn't that creative to you? First of all, it was based on my knowledge. Second, don't write the "free for anyone to edit" if you can't accept any of my editing especially, then don't write "free for anyone to edit". But you know what? Being an admin doesn't mean you can just write anything as you please but can't even think of other users' feelings. I was happy you corrected my editing so that I can see my flaws, but you get the appreciation from me, but I only got complains from you. Where have I done wrong if I ask? If you block me one more time, be my guest. But let me give you a warning, don't make excuses if you're run out of ideas because users from this page are leaving one by one and end up begging them to come back. Reflect your strictness to your own, will you?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haruko55 (talk).

You are creating work for other users, which is why we warned you to stop and/or focus your efforts elsewhere. Being an admin means we are experienced users on this wiki who help lay down the foundation of its rules, guidelines, and regulations so that the site doesn't decay into chaos. Look at the warnings on your talk page. Look how many times Lanate had to remind you that your efforts are not helpful because they create work for other users to clean up after you. Stop meddling with arte pages, and sign your posts.

Arosia (talk) 18:05, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

I pissed someone off

I just got this message on my talk page....I might as well undo most of my edits if that's the case....I'm a little worried but if it warrants punishment...then I guess I might have no choice but to comply. Also the thing is, I don't know how to respond now... --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 21:45, February 2, 2018 (UTC)

Localization issue for Tales of the Rays (Bestial Roar)

Not sure if I should mention this on the page itself, but back then when the game was first patched on mid January, I managed to get Asbel and all of his available artes on time before his event ended. However, I noticed that for a while before a hotfix came out, Bestial Roar AKA Resshin Kohou somehow via a text error had been fully rendered in hanzi/kanji (裂震虎砲) in both the battle text and the arte text. I believe the text hotfix was done sometime during Emil and Marta's event in the early days. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 20:27, February 11, 2018 (UTC)

SneaselSawashiro

This. I am fine with unbanning him, but I don't want him coming back and doing the same exact things. I told him I would speak with you and let you lay down the rules for him, though I really believe we made ourselves clear before.

Arosia (talk) 23:58, February 19, 2018 (UTC)

You can actually choose to ignore that since I just read the comments on your other wiki. If you decide to lift the ban before it's run its course, I'm fine with that, but I know for certain he's going to continue doing the same things over again. I have less time to devote to matters like this.

Arosia (talk) 00:50, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

Give me another day or two to mull over it. Lanate (talk) 03:08, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
I'm letting them back in a couple days under the condition that breaching restrictions will cause a new block of a minimum length of 3 months. Lanate (talk) 03:41, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Alright.

Arosia (talk) 03:44, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Arte page issues

I understand that the arte pages are a sensitive topic because of my dumb translation habits, but I want to now ask you of this:

  • 1. Am I able to just simply work on the descriptions and/or Japanese quotes?
  • 2. In regards to the spell arte pages, can I work on fixing up the kana? Any "ウィ/ウェ" is meant to be "wi/we", NOT "ui/ue", and there's a lot of pages that need fixing on this.

If not, then I understand and I'm sorry for everything. I'll try my best to not touch the translations, unless if I choose to discuss it on the talk pages. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 00:47, February 26, 2018 (UTC)

Also, another question is via what Haruko55 did with Winged Slaughter, is there a reason we aren't able to add new arte pages? Despite a lot of them needing to be created? (e.g. Cress' Hirenzan and so forth) --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 01:01, February 26, 2018 (UTC)
Yes to both questions. Don't touch the translations unless the translations are missing entirely. Haruko55 was blocked because their edits were really badly done, always requiring someone else to clean up after them. Lanate (talk) 03:59, February 27, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Also I'm really sorry for angering Arosia again; I was trying VERY VERY hard to be extra cautious since I'm well aware of my situation right now after being banned twice. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 04:49, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

He's gone

I've permabanned him. He is nothing more than a nuisance and not worth the endless hassle of keeping up with. I don't have that sort of time or energy to devote to matters like that anymore, and I'm sure you don't either. As for my comments on his talk page, I will indeed be stepping down from adminship and leaving the wiki in the near future, though I don't know when exactly this will be. My life is changing (for the better), I am moving, and I feel it will be best to simply become like Mayu and perhaps poke my nose in from time to time without having any actual responsibility. Just letting you know now so that it's not a surprise when it happens.

Arosia (talk) 00:52, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

I can't say that I disagree with your decision. I wish you luck on your future endeavors. Lanate (talk) 03:06, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

Modded enemies

So I've come across this YouTuber who mods some Tales games with playable enemies. From the few videos I've seen it appears that some enemies have more artes coded in them, but they are ultimately not used in the final game. Would it be alright to say something about these unused artes (when it applies of course) in corresponding characters' Trivia section?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:32, March 5, 2018 (UTC)

I'd rather not go into that, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 03:47, March 6, 2018 (UTC)

Seconding.

Arosia (talk) 22:42, March 6, 2018 (UTC)

German tag on arte pages

Is there a way to perform a sweep for removing these? We've been removing them for a while now.

Arosia (talk) 03:12, March 19, 2018 (UTC)

I think I can jerry-rig something. Lanate (talk) 02:38, March 21, 2018 (UTC)
Done, as far as I can tell. There might've been a few false positives. Lanate (talk) 03:16, March 21, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks!

Arosia (talk) 20:03, March 21, 2018 (UTC)

Departure

It's been fun! Thanks for being great to work with, and I wish you all the luck with the wiki.

Arosia (talk) 23:03, April 5, 2018 (UTC)

It's been great working with you, and I wish you well in your future endeavors. Lanate (talk) 04:10, April 6, 2018 (UTC)

Navboxes

I believe I talked about this subject in the past, but I think we need to improve our navboxes. For starters our templates are mostly written in HTML and to this day I still can't quite exactly wrap my head around the more complex templates, mainly data navboxes like Template:TotR Characters. Second, is accessing the template itself so one can edit: right now we need to input the template's name in the "search" engine and hit "Enter". It may sound easy but it's not really good IMO; I suspect it's because you don't want people to "hijack" templates, but I think that's hardly a concern here. The third would be that generally each navbox type (data, characters, individual character) have different width and even that is a subject to an exemption in certain cases (like in TotR the data template is wider than usual since there are a lot of characters there), so I think just setting for 100% or like 680px for all templates would be better. And fourth, a general template for navboxes would be a good idea. Apparently, there's a Navbox Builder over at Dev Wiki which makes it easier to centralize navboxes. I think it would benefit the Wiki.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 07:48, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

Seem like worthy ideas; I'm going to play around a little with them. Lanate (talk) 02:27, April 17, 2018 (UTC)

Little Queen artes

https://www31.atwiki.jp/talesofdic/pages/585.html

Her artes are listed in above page. Base artes are missing in Aselia wikia. Can fill missing her artes in this wikia? Windywalk (talk)

We only list artes that have non-data-mined proof. The Little Queen's strike artes don't have that; other Graces enemies have their strike artes based on voiced lines. Lanate (talk) 21:29, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

S's

Not sure if you know this but names and things that end in 'S' i.e Kratos, don't need the 's. It can be spelled as: Kratos' . Still means the possessive. So I'd appreciate if you didn't change it back. 'Cause it's not wrong.

It's not wrong but it's still more common to do so, and I would prefer it if it remained that way. Lanate (talk) 03:07, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

Also, I've been adding the romanized and direct translations to things, some you've changed so it's less direct. I can understand if it seems redundant but in my opinion adding the direct transnationals as is gives it the look of better continuity.

P.S Within the romanji, should all nouns be capitalized?

DuchessDream

Barring cases where there is an explicit romanization, if the English localization is close enough to the Japanese meaning, there is no need for an additional translation. Also, romaji should pretty much follow the capitalization rules for its use in the sentence; in this case, yes. Lanate (talk) 03:18, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

Understood. Also, adding -_____- allows for side-not type information within a sentence. Other wise the sentence becomes a little too bloated. If you take the last word before the first - and the first word after the last - the sentence still runs smoothly. I find some of the wiki entries to be a bit too detail heavy; in the sense that there are a lot of commas used where -____- should be.

I don't doubt your grammar and punctuation; but I feel some of the corrections you've made to my corrections are reverting it back to being improper. Also, is there another way I can contact you? I am uncomfortable with wikia chat boards.

DuchessDream

I honestly do not like the use of that punctuation but if you must use it, please use the actual emdash "—" rather than the incorrect hyphen. They also should never be used in conjunction with another punctuation, like a comma. I'd much rather the sentence itself be rewritten to not need such asides. And, no, I don't make it a habit of conversing outside of the wiki boards. Lanate (talk) 03:42, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the difference between an em-dash and en-dash. Visually, they look almost identical to me. I also want to apologize if I came across as pretentious. It was never my intent, nor was any malintent. I would like to add to the Aselia wiki, but in an efficient manor. Seeing edits I've done, being undone is something that does tend to bother me; Only because I do not know the reasoning other than a conflict in what is considered 'correct'. Basically, I don't want to make corrections I see as right, and then see them being reverted and then feeling that I have created more work than help. My apologies if I've done so thus far.

DuchessDream

Your edits are appreciated, but my job and goal here is also to ensure consistency among the articles. Your edits are not being reverted but, rather, incorporated. Lanate (talk) 02:41, May 24, 2018 (UTC)

Info Boxes

I was wanting to implement an info box for characters so that readers can click a tab. Like this one: Example

Would like for the tabs to be: "In Game", "Concept Art" and "Anime" (Or something akin to that)

I am very inept when it comes to "coding" or whichever it's called. I can follow examples but creating them is most definitely not my forte. I was hoping maybe you could make one and then I could update character profiles throughout the wikia? I feel it adds an extra bit of thoroughness. Plus, I myself have found that wikia with this window for profiles to be a step ahead. I do pride myself on organization as well as information and media gathering. So it would take me no time at all to go through the wikia characters and get it up to date within a reasonable amount of time. (Keeping intact the continuity of the wikia)

(DuchessDream (talk) 04:46, May 24, 2018 (UTC))

I'd rather not. The number of images in an infobox should be minimized whenever possible to not overload the user. There's a good situation right now where their official artwork for their main appearances is what is displayed; anything else can either be placed in a gallery or used to ornament the page. Lanate (talk) 02:51, May 25, 2018 (UTC)

Artes and Arte Lists

Hello,

Me and a few other people are planning to update various articles about specific artes and pages of characters' arte lists to include video previews of each arte they have and I was wondering if that'd be alright with you.


--AkaRyuusei (talk) 03:58, June 9, 2018 (UTC) AkaRyuusei

I know I'm no longer a contributor here, but I have to say that I disagree with notion. Although there have been other changes I have disagreed with since my departure, I believe it is the current admin and community's discretion for making those decisions. That being said, this particular one poses a number of issues: 1) this wiki has always upheld a rule against video content; 2) specific arte pages already have images, which are good enough depictions of these artes and anything more will result in clutter; 3) character arte lists are tables with a particular format that videos would be too difficult to incorporate into; 4) data pages are not the place for visual examples, hence specific arte pages yielding the actual arte depictions.

Also, and this should go without saying, a project of this caliber would require a lot of time and dedication, as well as further alter the wiki's guidelines for the pages affected when it simple isn't necessary. In other words, it couldn't be half-assed or other similar pages would look incomplete; there is an enormous amount of arte pages on this wiki and a fair amount of character arte lists. This is more of a major decision than it seems, not to mention a highly unnecessary one, so that is why I chose to log in and put in my two cents. Regardless, I'm no longer an admin here, so the current community obviously has more of a say.

Hope you're doing well, Lanate. Sorry to hijack your talk page.

Arosia (talk) 04:26, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

I'm with Arosia on this one: if someone wants to see a video of an arte they can go to YouTube and easily search for it there; many recent titles and older as well have arte exhibitions for characters there.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:43, June 9, 2018 (UTC)
I'm going to have to put a hard stop on that. It's an interesting concept but would clutter the arte lists and are nigh unmanageable on the individual arte pages. Lanate (talk) 01:44, June 11, 2018 (UTC)
But it is possible to make the videos collapsible so the the visitor can open or close the video that shows off each arte, making organization easier. Would that still be a no? Also, we plan to embed YouTube clips for arte clips to make things easier. --AkaRyuusei (talk) 13:13, June 11, 2018 (UTC)
I'm still against it to be honest. I dislike the idea of relying on external hosting and leaving a trail of broken links should something happen; I'm also against the fact that these videos would have to be updated with each new game. I'm also against adding more than relevant data to the arte lists, as they're already pretty hefty. Lanate (talk) 01:41, June 13, 2018 (UTC)

Plagiarism of Velvet Crowe Found on Character Profile Wiki

Hello Lanate, I'm one of the users over at Character Profile Wiki, which has Velvet Crowe from Tales of Berseria listed over there. I found some strange info added to the profile lately, and it looked suspicious, so I looked into it and found that parts of the profile were copied over from Aselia. See here: http://characterprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Velvet_Crowe

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 16:01, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that user has a recurrent problem with plagiarism. Thank you for bringing it to my attention, but you can do what you will with the content. If possible, I'd like the Character Profile Wiki to reword it in their own voice, but I won't demand it be deleted if you find the information useful for your wiki. Lanate (talk) 23:19, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. The edit has been undone and I left a warning message on the user's wall: https://characterprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:7817. If I see them commit plagiarism again, I'll let the staff be aware of it on the Character Profile Wiki so they can take action.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 01:35, October 4, 2018 (UTC)

Talespedia

This. Although the plagiarism attempts there have died down significantly, the recent conversation on your talk page made me think to check just in case.

Arosia (talk) 16:37, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! To be honest, I've more or less forgotten about that wiki, it's so below my radar. Lanate (talk) 02:23, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

Music Menu?

Hello, I wasn't sure if I should ask permission (which usually means you should) to make a "Music" page. Rather than users going to the categories.

I was thinking of making a visual navigation gallery, divided by series and then sub-divided by OST and Single. I fin visual navigation to be very effective when searching, rather than test-based menus. I've made quite a few of them. For example: The [video games menu page]. Though, I see it a bit differently in my mind. I can make a quick draft in the user-sandbox if need be.

EDIT: I just thought of this, could I add an image of the weapons on the character's weapon pages? Creating a column next to the name column? I have some of the images (Adding pictures is always a plus in inventory-type pages)

Respond when you can, --DuchessDream (talk) 08:54, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

Music pages would be great, though if you could draft a proof of concept that's be great. As for equipment pages, ToD PSX - Tools is an example of what you're looking for. Lanate (talk) 03:49, November 13, 2018 (UTC)
I'll get right on that! and the equipment page is pretty much what I was thinking of, though, should it be the sprite version or a capture of the in-game model? Or does it matter?

--DuchessDream (talk) 12:31, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

UPDATE: I made a quick draft of how the menu for each series would look. I'd start in chronological order and then add the next games music under a new header. a TOC would be at the top to skip easily (since the page would become some what long, since there are so many titles now). And links would be added in the captions under each album's art where necessary.

--DuchessDream (talk) 12:47, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

Can you make a mockup at User:DuchessDream/Music Draft? It looks like an interesting start. Lanate (talk) 02:37, November 14, 2018 (UTC)
I could; how detailed does it need to be? Or is it that I make the page in the draft version, then when done adding everything, it gets published?

Two other questions: 1. What counts as a first party source? What sites are acceptable as a source? 2. For adding the weapon/equipment images: does it matter if it's of a sprite or the in-game model? --DuchessDream (talk) 11:20, November 14, 2018 (UTC)

I just wanted to see a proof of concept; I think that the format is fine and can continue as is. Could you add a description, source, and category to any other soundtrack images you add, akin to File:ToZ_OST.jpg?
First party sources are like the following: listed within the game itself, listed on the voice actor's official website (like, their professional website or their personal/professional social media page, like Sorey), or an interview (like Mikleo). Nothing that involves user submissions, like say Beyond the Voice Actors or IMDB.
I'd say whatever is depicted in the item menu, so I guess technically a preference toward sprites and their equivalent. Lanate (talk) 03:53, November 15, 2018 (UTC)
Alright, pretty much every wiki I've contributed to ignores adding a source for images, but I will be more mindful of that. It's rather funny because I am very about organization yet I neglect organizing images any further than giving them serial names.
I thought that might be what you meant by "first party". I do usually cross-reference before adding info, so it's not like I grabbed the first site and added the actor's name; but I'll still comply with the first party rule.
At this point in time, I had Symphonia's items in mind. I'm not sure if in later games they continue with sprites/2D images within the menus, but I'll use a large amount of discretion in any case.

--DuchessDream (talk) 06:26, November 15, 2018 (UTC)

Question. I am assuming that these music templates are going to lead into future pages detailing the content of each individual album/disc. What sort of content is being considered for these pages? Is it just a track listing (with translations for song titles as applicable while maintaining official typos, ie. "COUP DE GRBCE" where B stands for Barbatos), or would it go into detailing whatever might be in the insert booklets in terms of artwork, production commentary, etc.? Of course the drama CD stuff would detail the story-based content they have to offer, but the music CDs don't have much else to offer. I don't oppose creating pages for them, but some consideration should go into adding more details like Oricon single rankings, statistics and records for sales, among other details so they don't end up as barebones as the generic CD track listing pages on Wikipedia. I think the "proof of concept" Lanate asked for is similar to what I am asking here.
Also, for these templates, please use a uniform color for all of the header bars. All templates of a given type should be consistent in appearance and layout, and color should be used to denote different categories. If these templates are meant to be separate from existing ones, then they can have a single unique color that is used for all of them. I know that a lot of the older navbox templates have long since been merged into aggregate navboxes per game, which certainly does help to reduce some page organization micromanagement, but everything should remain consistent to avoid having to choose arbitrary colors to represent a given game, or a given character as one user originally envisioned for the character navboxes.
On weapon images, the menu sprites are preferable if they represent unique images for each individual weapon/equip/item/etc. I know some games use a generic item to represent item type, so in those cases, an image of the item in question as part of the character model can be used. However, please maintain a single pose for the character using the item (as in, take a screencap during the char's idle pose during or outside of battle), and crop out as much as possible to focus on the item itself and avoid taking up too much space within the item list tables. Don't forget to identify the images as your own when uploading each one.
Shallchair Bloodfallen (talk) 04:00, November 18, 2018 (UTC)
I wasn't sure of what would come of the music templates leading to. I thought of creating a page for each individual item, but that'd add a lot of pages. The second option I considered was making pages like "Tales of ____ Singles" and list all the singles, tracks and artwork (plus some info if there is anything other than tracklisting). So rather than 6 new pages for 6 different OST albums for one game, make one page with all 6 OSTs. This would reduce the amount of new pages being made.
When I am closer to being done adding the album covers for the navigational galleries, I'll strike up a "proof of concept" for the album pages.
As for the templates, I thought I'd make the titles the primary colors of the game's logo; therefore aren't as arbitrary as they may seem. But if this is truly frowned upon, please either feel free to change the colors or provide a small palette of "acceptable colors" (apologies if that sounded sarcastic, I don't mean for it)
I have some game models that have been ripped, therefore I can control the angle of the snapshot; are ripped model screenshots acceptable? (I feel it would reduce the work of maintaining a singular pose having to be followed in a video)
Again, I apologize if any of my response sounds angry, sarcastic or demeaning. I've been told I come across negatively through text.
I feel like compilation pages would be best for some of the OSTs if there is only barebones information. It is under the purview of the wiki, but I dislike creating many stub pages. I will also say that the headers should have a unified color. We already associate the following colors: light green with artes (#e7f3e8), red with items (#FFC0CB), dark green with titles (#D6FFDB), purple with skills (#EECCFF), cream/yellow with equipment (#FFFACD), and brown with system (#FFF8DC), so a color that retains legibility without intruding on our existing color schemes would be great.
I would say that ripped model screenshots are acceptable, but I do prefer whatever the menu shows over the model. Lanate (talk) 02:32, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
I used the mint-green (wasn't sure what category the Music headers fell under).
I would only use the ripped model images in place of missing menu sprites.
I ran into a bit of an odd spot with the albums. Some theme songs arn't in single/maxi format, but come from full albums. Should the album cover be included? Even though it's not an album dedicated to Tales? Should they be left out?
Is there a status I could be upgraded to that would allow me to delete or rename files? I made a mistake on the title of one and I think it'd be faster if I had a status that allowed me to edit the mistakes; rather than messaging a mod. I'm not familiar with what status allows for what. I usually ask for Admin-status, but I feel I'd be over stepping my boundaries there. Does Content Mod allow these functions?

--DuchessDream (talk) 20:13, November 19, 2018 (UTC)

If you want to know what angry/sarcastic/demeaning posts look like, just check out any of the past conversations that I was involved with prior to 2015. I have a reputation for being an asshat (which is rich, coming from the anons on /v/ pre-split, who are known for being spess mehreen-tier RAGE INCARNATE), and I'm proud of it.
Regarding full albums, by which I assume you are talking about compilation albums of an artist's songs, I don't see why they shouldn't be included for the sake of completionism. A separate tab+page category might be necessary to segregate them as needed. (It's kind of a shame that Nana Mizuki and Yukana didn't get more significant singing roles for their respective games; Mizuki was able to do that one idol parody song for MGS Peace Walker, after all. I'd probably be pulled back into being actually interested in the Tales franchise if Mingosu or Akiko Hasegawa gets a voice+singing role.)
Page renaming/deletion was disabled for normal users due to a long history of spam and vandalism on this wiki. There were also many users who disregard our naming policies for characters and artes, which must match most recent localization status, and they would often edit-war to force the pages to reflect names used in fan-translation patches and so on. I would prefer not empowering users with sysop or greater privileges, especially based on mere request, but it's ultimately Lanate's call since I am no longer an admin on this site.
Shallchair Bloodfallen (talk) 02:39, November 21, 2018 (UTC)
I have run into individuals whom do not speak English too fluently, giving odd responses that seem a little rude at first; that's all I have encountered. A year or two ago, I did become a little hot-headed when someone would undo my edits because I felt they were more accurate but I have since matured that sense.
It's not necessarily compilation type albums, more so studio albums that the song is included in. For example: Song 3 is the "title song" of a 12 track album, but the theme song for a Tales game is song 8. The album more revolves around song 3. But I may be answering my own question with that.
As for the the last piece, I wasn't wanting to rename pages, just files. I accidentily titled on Tales of Destiny ___.jpg when it was Tales of Eternia_____.jpg . But I don't have the power to fix it. I know I also can't necessarily prove my "trust-worthyness" but if it helps, I am an admin and mod on a few other wikis, there for having a greater understanding and knowledge/respect for other wikis. If I was a new user who'd only been around for two weeks, that'd be very understandable.
Either way, thank you for your answers. I'll still wait for what Lanate has to say.

--DuchessDream (talk) 04:41, November 21, 2018 (UTC)

I've given it consideration and would rather trial run being provided a list of files that need renaming and what they should be renamed to. Even content moderator status isn't something to be given out lightly; maybe in the future I will reconsider. Lanate (talk) 17:39, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

Music Menu and Other

Music Menu

I've compiled a large amount of the Taless music library. I haven't labelled them yet or linked the albums because I wanted to run it by first.

My plan of attack is:

  1. Label all albums.
  2. Create game specific music pages (i.e all Vesperia OSTs, Drama CDs and singles on one page.)
  3. Create album/music template/info box.
  4. Add track lists, album info and alternative cover art (limited edition, regular edition etc.)
  5. Format track title translations, where applicable and necessary.
  6. Link each album to the correct title on a page. (i.e Vesperia Drama CD 2 to the Drama CD section of the Vesperia music page.)
  7. Correct theme song names on all game pages*

*Some titles are translate, therefore making it difficult to find when searching in Google. I.e "Shinning Darkness" by Nami Nakagawa is originally "Hikaru no Yami". I had to look up the Japanese name since people aren't referring to it as "Shinning Darkness".

Other

I wanted to explain better on some of requests. I requested for some form of higher status, not just for the heck of it, but because I think I can edit better this way. I felt my example of the "renaming files" was misunderstood. I don't want to simply rename files because I "disagree" with them. It's to efficiently correct my own mistakes. I would hate to leave multiple messages saying "could you correct this?".

I also hate to over step my boundaries, or declare prestige, but I thought maybe I could be considered a "curator" of sorts? Therefore, being applicable for a higher status? I hate asking for "more power" as it goes against a lot of my own morals; but I will if I feel it'll allow for me to go about contributing more effectively and efficiently; or if I truly think I am capable (which contrary to, I often have very high self-doubt).

So would there be any sort of procedure I could undergo to attain a higher status? I personally see my "curating" activities as harmless in the sense that they wouldn't interfere with the wikia. If you can think of it as a store, you're the manager, other users are patrons and employees, and I'd be the employee who works quietly on the side adding price tags and setting up displays. One of those "ghost" like employees that aren't particularly noticed but their work still contributes to the store. (I apologize if that metaphor made no sense). I'd even be okay with making a resume of sorts; stating why I think I'm capable and such.

I also would like to apologize for my first few contributions to the wiki. This was some time earlier in the year and I felt I gave a bad first impression. I believe I've grown some since then. I read some of the older message board entries and I see that there was some conflict with other users and admins, that's not what I plan on contributing to.

Please respond when you can; thank you for your time, --DuchessDream (talk) 08:05, December 5, 2018 (UTC)

I think I can extend Content Moderator status for content related to the music pages. This would be on a provisional basis for around six months and limited in scope to files/pages under music. Would this be acceptable? Lanate (talk) 18:14, December 7, 2018 (UTC)

That'd be greatly appreciated! May I ask though as to why I can't be promoted as a content mod in general? I understand that it very much based on contribution. I would really like to help and be at least a semi-important part of the growth of this wiki. As well as have some recognition of my contributions :/ After all, it's not like I'm adding snippets here and there. I do focus more an the merchandise because I don't have enough confidence to add to the lore/story aspects. Also, I apologize for my super long message before hand. P.S I'm not sure if you knowledge my apologies or not. --DuchessDream (talk) 00:03, December 8, 2018 (UTC)

I accept your apologies. Regarding the matter of Content Moderator, it's a matter of time and maturity of contributions more than anything else. That's why it's a period of six months, after which I can make a decision. Lanate (talk) 02:58, December 8, 2018 (UTC)

Track Title Translations.

I am going through all the Original Soundtrack pages that already exist on the wiki and putting the names in as they appear on the album. Some are completely in English while others are in Japanese. Should the Japanese track titles be presented like this? I would/will go through all the OSTs again (after "correcting" the titles) and format them to look like this.

After that, I was thinking of re-purposing the OST pages to be the series's music page? I.e Tales of Destiny 2 Original Soundtrack page to Tales of Destiny 2 Music; and add all albums associated with ToD2 to that page? This way, new pages wouldn't have to be created and the old ones deleted. It would all just be added and renamed (I would do that, but it seems content mod. doesn't allow for renaming pages.)

--DuchessDream (talk) 23:59, December 13, 2018 (UTC)

I would prefer we use our typical format if possible:
Romanized Text
Japanese Text
"Literal Translation"
If that is too much trouble, then just the Japanese text is fine. Lanate (talk) 17:53, December 16, 2018 (UTC)

I'd say what I was planning for was more trouble. I was more asking about the way it's aligned (sub-text and italisized and such) I would like to include romanji, Japanese text and lit. translation all within one cell. --DuchessDream (talk) 00:36, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

File renaming

Hi, could you rename "File:Misera (tvtropes).png‎" to "File:Misella (tvtropes).png" and "File:Misera (ToC).png" to "File:Misella (ToC).png"? I'd do it myself but apparently Aselia's Content Moderators have article and file renaming option disabled?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:28, December 25, 2018 (UTC)

I did it and put in a request to have it re-enabled for Content Moderators. I believe it was a leftover restriction from before the Content Moderator position existed. Lanate (talk) 19:19, December 26, 2018 (UTC)
Any news on that front? I don't know when exactly you put the request for re-enablement but I am still unable to rename files and articles. Not like it happens very often, but asking every once and again for a page to be moved is a bit annoying.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:08, January 21, 2019 (UTC)
I was informed the restriction had already been lifted. I toggled the position to see if it now gives you the powers. Can you confirm? Lanate (talk) 03:37, January 22, 2019 (UTC)
Sadly, there's still no "MOVE" or "RENAME" or anything like that in the toolbar at the top for me. Even manually putting "/Special:MovePage/" between /wiki/ and /Article Name doesn't allow me to rename it.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:42, January 22, 2019 (UTC)
I contacted support again, and I'll update you on what comes of it. Lanate (talk) 03:00, January 23, 2019 (UTC)
Can you try again? Lanate (talk) 03:25, January 24, 2019 (UTC)
It's there now. Thank you for your help. Much appreciated. Also, you've seen that TotR weapons template I did yesterday, yes? I hope it's a good format. Will probably need to reformat the navbox for TotR to include weapons per game.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:41, January 24, 2019 (UTC)
I reformatted it a little, but it's a good start! Lanate (talk) 03:31, January 25, 2019 (UTC)

Skill ToZ edit followup

I was wondering about the skills edit I was notified about earlier where you said I had put incorrect info into the default skills on equipment in the skills page of Tales of Zesteria's Skills page. I have been using information in the wikipedia primarily for the information, so there may need to be edits to other pages, specifically the equipment pages. Please let me know if there's something I can help fix here.

Nah, it wasn't you. When I made the page before, some skill effects ended up in the requirements column. Lanate (talk) 02:28, January 9, 2019 (UTC)

Music Section and Pages

Hello and Happy New Year!

So last I recall, I'd asked what to do about the music pages and the music section but there was no answer to those questions. I'll ask them here:

  1. For the track listing translations: I would like to include romanji, Japanese text and lit. translation all within one cell (sub-text and italicized and such). Is this acceptable?
  2. I was thinking of re-purposing the OST pages to be the series's music page. Is that acceptable and if so, should I make another draft?
  3. When should the music menu page be taken out of "draft" status and put into effect?
  4. For songs with lyrics, should a new page for the one song be created specifically to house romanji, Japanese and English (as well as info about the song it's self)?
  5. I've found a lot of high-quality scans on the [[1]], are we allowed to use them so long as it's credited properly? (I remember seeing something about a an estranged tales wiki that this wiki often has info "stolen" from.)

I have added as many of the materials as I could find that relate to each series. There's only the Misc. section that would be worked on. --DuchessDream (talk) 12:07, January 9, 2019 (UTC)

  1. Yes, that's fine. We use Template:H to format it correctly.
  2. I'm not sure what you mean by that.
  3. I think it's fine to move right now.
  4. Category:Songs has examples of what you're asking for, I believe.
  5. No. Scans should definitely not be taken from another wiki, especially without asking. Please use images taken from official sources, such as the game websites.
Lanate (talk) 04:09, January 10, 2019 (UTC)

That answers most. For 2. I meant if there is the page for Tales of Graces OST; it would be renamed something akin to "Tales of Graces (music)" and then all the audio media related to ToG would be added to that page.

If I gain permission from the fr.talesof.wikia to use their scans, they are presumably allowed to be used then? Template:H is a bit confusing to me. I'll make a test/draft and link it to you so it can be checked. --DuchessDream (talk) 07:31, January 10, 2019 (UTC)

Scans

I contacted the Admin on the fr.talesof.wikia and they said they'd gotten then from VGMdb or Game-OST so I have permission. Here is the chat thread. --DuchessDream (talk) 04:30, January 11, 2019 (UTC)

...or you could grab the images directly from those sources instead, after ensuring compliance with CC-BY-SA or similar licenses like GPL (ie. permission and attribution)? As a rule of thumb, images should be taken from as close to the original source as possible, as in the official websites, or personally-uploaded screenshots/magazine scans/CD booklets and covers, from the actual media that the person in question actually owns, if it is at all possible or practical to do so. It is most ideal to cut out the middle men and eliminate the possibility of image editing and alterations somewhere down the line. If there really is no other alternative source or option, then special considerations may be taken, but community-uploaded content on other websites, whether they are other wikis, forums, imageboards like 4channel, Pixiv and other ***boorus, Youtube/Twitch/NicoNicoDouga, or the typical social media filth, should always be avoided if at all possible. If you happen to find images of interest on any of these kinds of websites, then please try to trace their origin by following their own citations if available, and then grab the images from those sources instead.
Also, guys, make sure to get rid of the parentheticals from recent character page edits. I wish to remain as hands-off as possible to avoid returning to my rage spiral.
Shallchair Bloodfallen (talk) 02:45, January 12, 2019 (UTC)

All of that makes sense, my ONLY issue is that sometimes the "official source" is not good-quality. There's nothing that agitates me more than a low-res. image, especially if it's from an official site. My priorities on images are resolution and accuracy (so if it's been edited and is hi-res, I won't bother with it.) I can understand going the "legal route", it is a lot more of a hassle in my opinion, although I understand it's importance. Considering the VGMdb is a data-base and uses user scans that are available to the public, I'd say that taking the images from there would comply. I think if you can look at my way and understand that it's not at all malicious. It's still on the side of "education".

Also, I'm not sure if I'm contributing to the "parntheticals from recent character page edits" thing. I don't really understand what that meant.

I would prefer pages to be named "<Game> Music", like "Tales of Phantasia Music", rather that redirect OST pages, because OST pages imply the OST release.
I would still prefer images be taken from first party sources, rather than another wiki. Just because it's more difficult doesn't mean it shouldn't be done; it should be done right in the first place. Lanate (talk) 19:17, January 12, 2019 (UTC)

So to be clear, make a page with "<game> Music" and add all the audio media associated with that game to that page and leave the "<Game> OST" Page as is? Possibly even linking the OST page within the new <Game> Music page? --DuchessDream (talk) 06:46, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Yes. Lanate (talk) 06:51, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Parentheticals refers to the implementation of parenthesis in writing, using "(" and ")" to surround additional information rather than simply putting forth the information in the sentence outright. This was a common headache back during my early adminship days when I was cleaning, and thereafter monitoring, content pages. It's poor writing, and our Manual of Style elaborates on this:

Parentheticals or phrases that are enclosed within parentheses should be avoided entirely on text-based pages. If the idea can be expressed as a separate sentence or comma-separated clause, then it should be reworded in that way. Parentheses should be used only as a part of Japanese translations and the occasional use of acronyms after writing the full term.

All that being said, I understand Mayu's frustrations, and I've deliberately had to limit myself from checking the wiki and its recent contributions for this very reason. I'm a bit of a perfectionist, or at least I used to be, and now I'm trying this new thing where I've conditioned myself to care less about minor things. I do take a peek at the wiki every so often, however, but it's more out of curiosity now. Like Mayu, I've had some life changes take place, so my priorities are focused elsewhere. Happy to see the wiki still doing well, though.

Arosia (talk) 19:43, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

TotR Equipment Templates

Hi, do you think we could also make equipment templates for TotR equipment like you did for the artes (I mean tables just to be clear)? Would definitely be easier to fill all those pages.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:51, January 28, 2019 (UTC)

I made a bunch. Let me know if you need help debugging... Lanate (talk) 03:58, January 29, 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Once I'll get some free time (really hectic time at the uni ATM) I'll work on the equipment tables and see if anything's wrong.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:16, January 29, 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate the fix on the Celica Crowe page. I was actually in the midst of it myself when I got a conflict alert, heh.

Laphicet Crowe (talk) 02:44, February 14, 2019 (UTC)

Track Titles and Characters

I've worked a but here and there on the OST track title names. Here is what I have so far: Tales of Destiny Original Soundtrack. I for the Japanese part, I left the title as is on the back of the album (even though it had English in it's name) For other tracks though.

Also, are you waiting to make the character pages for the new Crestoria game? I was thinking about making some but wasn't sure if they had been put on hold for a reason or something. --DuchessDream (talk) 13:00, March 2, 2019 (UTC)

I did some cleanup, but it's a good page!
There isn't any real reason... We've had really bad stub pages before, so we usually wait until game release for full pages. Lanate (talk) 05:49, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

From what I could see, you converted all the Hepburn to plain romanji? Is that how the romanji is to be presented? I will leave the Crestoria character profiles for now, since I should focus on getting the music done. Also, I was wondering if the Music menu page could be added to one of he main menu drop down tabs? Maybe under Data? --DuchessDream (talk) 05:59, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

In case you didn't notice this. Also, perhaps I misunderstood the original intent behind that Music page, but is it really nothing but a menu? How disappointing. Quite honestly, I think it ought to be repurposed into tabular format following the list-type page style as prescribed also in the MoS, so that a full display of information can be provided per album/release with the following column info as a minimum: cover art, album name following our standard Japanese translation display format (again, check the MoS), release date(s) including variants and per region, disc IDs or serial numbers, and possibly MSRP values. If these are to be organized by game, then they should probably be integrated onto the articles for each individual game, sorted immediately below the Release History section of each page which features essentially the same information. While we're at it, there can also be another section added for print media like official perfect guidebooks and artbooks, also from all regions as applicable. There really does not need to be a single page that aggregates all of this information from every game. That's what the page categories are for. Even if it might be acceptable under the current wiki management, each set of media should be sorted strictly by their parent game's release order, separating apart all mothership and escort titles, like literally every other pan-Tales listing. In other words, ToD2 goes -after- Eternia, and DotNW would be sorted among other spinoff titles like the NariDan and RadiMai games.
As a side note, I always intended to add MSRP columns to these tables but never got around to doing so. The base prices for each game is indeed listed on each game's JP Wikipedia articles as part of their standard infobox templates, although detailed confirmation through crawling Play-Asia's website might be necessary to ensure comprehensive accuracy, if anyone is willing to go through that kind of effort. Back when I lived in the states, I always preordered stuff via Himeya, which always did mark up their prices but generally guaranteed the preorder stuffs, but I guess they don't exist anymore so idunnolol.
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 11:41, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

Well, I'm feeling overwhelmed now. The page I made was a menu, yes. I had already discussed with Lanate it's purpose and it was approved. I personally very much dislike using "categories" as a way to navigate wikis. They are only organized in alphabetical order and you have very minimal control over what they look like. The music pages menu is much easier to navigate. I kind of don't feel like I need/should be explaining this to you since I'd already discussed it with Lanate and have been working on it for a few months now. I do have an anxiety disorder and am currently trying not to panic. It's always jarring when you wake up and go to work on a project, only to find someone has changed something you worked on for hours and messed with the formatting. If you have suggests, comments or whatever, please contact me or Lanate first before making edits like that.

After the music page is done, separate pages for each game will be made, dedicated to each games, osts, singles, dramas etc. I don't know what "MoS" stands for either. Either way, I had it under control and would greatly appreciate if you left it alone until I am done. --DuchessDream (talk) 23:51, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

@Mayu, please don't bite the editors. Category navigation is pretty bad at the moment, and having once place to gather all of the information is something that I believe is fine. Also, everything really doesn't have to be done at once. Incremental progress, where the page can stand on its own in each of its individual stages, is fine as it is. If the concept can be expanded further, fine, but this information, even if it's barebones, is still information the wiki did not have before and is not malformed enough to be considered anywhere close to stub-level.
@DuchessDream, I do agree that the Mothership-Escort-Mobile-Other order should be done, so Dawn of the New World would be moved to the Escort Titles, and the titles should be ordered by release date of first release; Tales Series/Games has them in that order. Our wiki uses romaji based on this page: Aselia:Japanese. MoS refers to Aselia:Manual of Style.
I took one last stab at formatting it to make it more consistent, but for the purposes of the music pages, I think this looks best. Lanate (talk) 02:26, March 4, 2019 (UTC)

I understand this. I originally was copying the drop down menus (as I assume that's the right order). I did add some to the mother ship title because I like to keep things "chronological" by series, but that wasn't the best idea, so I apologize for that. And thank you for linking to the Manual of Style, I'm not the best with acronyms. Thank you for sorting this out, and apologize if I came off in an angry or rude way. --DuchessDream (talk) 06:11, March 4, 2019 (UTC)

I'm a trigger-happy megabitch. Everyone knows this. My signature's name even used to invoke Audrey Belrose, as if the reference ever made sense to anyone. And while it doesn't excuse the way I act, I still won't apologize for it because it's part of my core personality. There is literally nothing for me to be sorry for, as I act this way with everyone, regardless of my position of power relative to the other party. Yes, it means that even my own little makulit will pick up some bad traits as she grows up, be that as it may. In any case, it was only meant to be a minor edit but things started to cascade toward a total redo of the whole page-- which I then backtracked from since I realized that it would just be another few steps toward enslaving myself back into the void (read: wiki editing tedium). Just a few notes:
  1. I tried to shift the table format to match the standard list-type page design for the sake of consistency. I didn't apply it to the full page so that people could compare and decide which format was better... and also because I was lazy and tired. I even said as much in the edit history of that page, which looks like it was ignored yet again; does it need another screencap? I tend to make my comments via edit summaries to act as a limiter and avoid dumping walls of text which consist of nothing but rants and overexplanations that no one cares to read, which often gets misinterpreted as outright hostility. Either way, the standard design seems to be rejected, and that's fine, it doesn't bother me.
  2. I tried to fix the Japanese translation format to match the standard translation display scheme for the sake of consistency. Japanese text should not be bolded for the sake of text clarity, especially for kanji characters which have fine details that become more obscured under a bold font. I realize that using fixed-width text for alphanumeric characters is rather overkill, but it was done partly to emphasize that those Americanglish characters are part of the actual Japanese name for each track. It's probably alright if standard text is used, though half-width text is also a possibility that allows the emphasis to be preserved.
  3. Is there really a justifiable purpose for an empty Notes column? If it is only put to use on two tables, and even then on a mere two entries, then the column just takes up vertical space with no particular value offered. It is far better to create footnotes for those entries where a note needs to be displayed, and then remove the column consistently across all tables to eliminate whitespace within the tables.
  4. The katakana currently on display for Disc 1 Track 1 is incorrect. It should be consistent with the kana for the game itself. The transliteration should also reflect this. The back cover image confirms the correct kana spelling, so I dunno how such an error came to exist.
tl;dr please be patient i have autism Obsessive Consistency Disposition (™)
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 08:00, March 4, 2019 (UTC)
  1. I'd rather a "wall of text" on a talk page than try to read italicized snippets. This also allows for better communication as you can't reply to edit summaries.
  2. I am using the Template:H as Lanate said, so talk with him about it and it's format. I'm using it as the "How to" says.
  3. There is a reason for everything I add to pages. The notes columns are there for notes. They haven't been filled out yet. Notes are almost third-rank on the scale of important information. My method is to apply the basics to everything first. Not go full out on one page until it's "complete"; It slows down production.

It's like making multiple sandwiches. lay out the bread, add the ham on each, the lettuce on each, etc. then serve them all at once. If you made one at a time, it'd take longer. (Please just bare with the simile. I find things easier to explain in metaphors and similes.)

  1. I copied the track titles directly from the VGMdb tracklist since I can't type in katakana. So I guess there was a mistake in there.

Your way of speaking does come across aggressively, I will say that. It does slightly rub me the wrong way. I don't really appreciate the sudden questioning and critiques of something I'm working on that's half done. But that's just me, I feel that way no matter who questions me. I find it very difficult to explain my process and usually tell people "it'll be fine, just let me do my work." That applies to this situation as well. It's a sort of "ugly duckling" stage, if you will.

I can be patient if people are patient with me. I do have a semi-low threshold for certain behaviours though. I don't really care what disorders others may have, so long as they are polite and reasonable. At this moment, I am trying to maintain my composure but also let my emotions/thoughts be known.

Your personality will take me some time to get used to. I don't usually mesh well with people like you, but I never avoided them or avoided trying. So I ask for your patients as well. --DuchessDream (talk) 21:36, March 4, 2019 (UTC)

While I feel that it's dumb for me to need to explain this, I'm not really autistic or ocd, as much as the anons on /v/ and /vg/ liked to claim back when I was active on the Nightly Tales General threads as Aselia's representative namefag. Self-diagnosed compulsive behaviors, sure. Self-diagnosed hypertension, sure. Self-diagnosed addiction to rageahol, sure. I stopped my direct involvement on this wiki to avoid developing legitimate anger management issues irl. The 'please be patient' thing is just a dumb reference to that silly hat. I make a lot of dumb references, subtle or not. 'Rageahol' is another such reference-- I don't even touch alcohol.
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 00:31, March 5, 2019 (UTC)

Cool. Great. I have clinically diagnosed disorders so I didn't make light of your "reference". I don't know how to deal with your manner of speaking if even "please be patient" was a "reference". --DuchessDream (talk) 04:48, March 5, 2019 (UTC)

Reintroducing myself and some help

Hello, Lanate.

You may not remember me, but the name's XZone. I filled in a few of the pages on the Legendia page a couple years back.

Anyway, I want to help fill in some of the Phantasia pages, specifically a few of the GBA items/tools sections and I need a refresher on how to create said pages.

Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards, XZoneXZone (talk) 04:06, March 7, 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Welcome back! The typical thing to do is to look to see if an example page for the type of data already exists, like for recipes there ToV - Recipe and then adjust the formatting appropriately to the game-specific information. I did some reformatting for the Recipe page you created as an example of how it usually goes. Lanate (talk) 03:38, March 8, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll also study the changes you made so I can make less mistakes in the future. And considering time travel was a theme in Phantasia, learning from the past is a good lesson, lol. *ahem* Anyway, thanks again. XZoneXZone (talk) 05:57, March 8, 2019 (UTC)

TotR Spirit Artes

Hey, I added the new type of artes to Ix and Mileena's arte lists (they're the first to receive that) and to my understand they are kind Mirrage Arte v.2.0. I'm not sure if the section name I provided for that arte type is good (maybe we should call them "Fairy Artes" since to invoke them you spend "FG": "Fairy Gauge", but they draw the power from spirits to my understanding), and/or the adittions to arte templates are okay. If you'd take a look and make suitable changes it'd be nice.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:52, March 27, 2019 (UTC)

Until more is known, I think they're good. Lanate (talk) 04:04, March 28, 2019 (UTC)

Lists of minor characters

I was wondering if it was okay to make lists of minor characters for each title. The reason I'm asking you about this is that while some characters don't have their own articles here on the wiki, mainly because of how largely plot-irrevelant are they, but at times they are important to certain characters, how things that happen to certain characters affect other characters. The page naming would probably be "ToD - Minor Characters" and the contents would be bulleted characters with theit names in bold + JP. I'd like to point out that I haven't played every game so I wouldn't be able to fill all those pages if we'd agreed to have them.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:13, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

I would not mind them, but I would prefer them to be in the format of "List of characters in <media>" with each character having their own header. Pages that start with the initialisms should be data-based pages. Lanate (talk) 00:04, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

Monster Book Help

Hey Lanate. Listen, I managed to finish the ToP GBA equipment lists and I'm thinking of doing the Monster List next. As there is a LOT of data to break down and type, it's the kind of project not done in a day. Is there a way to save my edited work before submitting it to the main page?

Let me know so I may help with future projects

XZone (talk) 00:39, May 8, 2019 (UTC)XZone

Hi. I made the Enemy Book page for Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology several years ago, and what I did was write the guide offline in a text editor such as Notepad++ and submit it when I was finished. You could try this method too. Feel free to use the formatting from the page that I wrote. If you click Edit > Edit Source it'll give you access to all the code for the page.

MabiEditor (talk) 01:12, May 8, 2019 (UTC)

Unbanned...?

Hi. It's been a long time....I'm not sure what's going on here.....how am I unbanned from this wikia....? Also, it seems according to Mayu, the removal of the stuff on my page ages ago counts as vandalism...? Is it possible for you to explain what's going on here...? I'm feeling a little cautious about this whole thing. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 22:12, May 22, 2019 (UTC)

There was only a year-long ban. I don't particularly care to reban you unless you prove disruptive once more. Lanate (talk) 19:29, May 24, 2019 (UTC)

Phantasia Archery

Hey, I'm new to this wiki so I didn't know where else to put this, but I wanted to ask your stance on a page for Phantasia Archery.

http://origami64.net/flash/talesofphantasia/

It was a Flash game used to promote the GBA port of Tales of Phantasia. I don't know whether it was Nintendo or Namco who published it and it's not available officially anymore, but it is, technically speaking, a licensed Tales game that the wiki makes zero mention of as far as I know.

So yeah, guess I was just curious if it was warranting enough for a page.

--CrazyNaut (talk) 23:48, May 25, 2019 (UTC)

If anyone wants my opinion, I think it can be mentioned as a part of the page for Phantasia itself, specifically under the Release Overview section as part of the GBA version's subsection. I don't recall anything about this flash game, admittedly, so I cannot confirm exactly how official it is, so some research will have to be done to confirm the details. However, there should be no need for a separate page, since there isn't a whole lot of detail that can be expounded upon to merit its separation. I probably should point out that there are other minigame-ish things that were released with other titles, such as the Etapoke ("Et[ernia?] Po[c]ke[t]") memory card minigames for the Pocketstation which are tied to the Japanese version of Tales of Eternia PSX, or the more recent DSiWare game Kamenin Merchant which was heavily integrated with the original Wii version of Tales of Graces and then purged from Graces fancy-f. I might have preferred to have a separate page for Kamenin Merchant in the past, but now I think it might as well be described on the Graces page instead.
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 03:28, May 30, 2019 (UTC)
I'm honestly debating. It should definitely be covered, and thank you for bringing it to our attention, but I'm torn between what Mayu suggested and a full-on page. Lanate (talk) 03:34, May 30, 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Manager

Hi Lanate,

I thought I would reach out to you, since you currently the only administrator on this wiki. I have recently been appointed as the Fandom Wiki Manager for Aselia The Tales Wiki. I am here to assist this community in an official capacity and act as a liaison between you, and full-time Fandom staff. If you, or any other users of this wiki ever have an issue or question related to the wiki (editing, templates, wiki design, or any other matters), please feel free to contact me on my talk page, and I will assist in any way I can. :)
-Sitb (talk) 02:25, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Game Reward

Hello again Lanate,

I noticed you've been dedicating a lot of effort toward improving and maintaining this wiki for quite some time. Fandom happens to have a new community initiative that looks to reward users who have worked hard to the benefit of their wiki. If you're interested, Fandom might be able to reward you with a free game or a pre-order for an upcoming title of your choosing. There are mostly no limitations, so long as the game is still available for purchase in some form. For the moment, I believe this offer is mostly only available to residents of North America. However if you live somewhere else, it may still be possible for Fandom to get the game to you.

Would you be interested in communicating further with a member of Fandom staff to exchange details so they can reward you with a game?
- Sitb @fandom (Message wall / Talk page) 14:10, July 21, 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for the offer, but if you permit me to be honest, I'm very leery about the idea. I believe that fan wikis exist due to the passion and integrity of its volunteers, and that monetary incentives corrupt that ideal. Based on that, I will have to decline. Lanate (talk) 02:06, July 26, 2019 (UTC)

Not a problem Lanate. I appreciate your honesty and I think that's an honorable mentality to have in regards to wiki editing. It's not often that people decline a chance to get free stuff, but of course, that's your decision to make. 🙂
- Sitb @fandom (Message wall / Talk page) 12:09, July 26, 2019 (UTC)

Affiliation

Hello, Lanate. I am Xellis, administrator of Russian Aselia Wiki, Russian wiki, dedicated to Tales series. We still has a lot of work, but I'd like to ask you to put this wiki under "Non-English Tales Wikis". You can find Russian Aselia Wiki here: https://aselia.fandom.com/ru/wiki/Russian_Tales_Wiki

Thanks in advance.

P.S. Sorry, I've forgot to leave a signature.

Xellis (talk) 20:50, December 1, 2019 (UTC)

Affiliation's setup! ( ̄一 ̄)b Lanate (talk) 02:55, December 2, 2019 (UTC)

Arte lists for ToLink characters?

I wonder if it would be okay/desirable to have arte pages for ToLink. What I mean we have unit lists, but if someone wanted to search for an artes-only list for a character we have none. I kind of made this on the fly. There's a chance that this arte list format may come in handy for Crestoria's release, but I don't know. I know it means even more extra work (if we go hard on it we might make something like this for Asteria, but let's focus on one thing at a time). So what is your opinion on this?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 18:09, December 6, 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's a good idea; artes weren't a huge focus for Link. If anything, a page that lists all of the units for that character would make more sense. Lanate (talk) 18:26, December 6, 2019 (UTC)
I understand. I've updated the sandbox page and am wondering if that's what you think would be fine.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:21, December 7, 2019 (UTC)
I think it works, and you can add in the information about mystic artes too. Lanate (talk) 06:22, December 8, 2019 (UTC)
I've updated the sandbox to include mystic artes and References section. Will that be an acceptable layout?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:05, December 8, 2019 (UTC)

Tales of Kemet

Since I saw the similar wikias (like the Tales of Link wiki), it made me think you could put my Tales of Kemet wiki up as one of it. The wiki may be unfinished, but I think it's worth sharing with other Tales of fans. Tales of Kemet is a fan fiction that I wrote and dream of having it being turned into an actual Tales of game. I'm currently working on cutscenes for it. I'm also hoping to train myself to be a voice actress after I go to a speech therapist because I have trouble reading out loud. I want to work with the Tales company and be myself as a character. Could you put my wiki under the similar wikis, please? The wiki: https://tales-of-cairo.fandom.com/wiki/Tales_of_Kemet_Wiki The fan fiction: https://www.deviantart.com/kaedeennead/gallery/62863276/Tales-of-Kemet


Kaede Ennead
I apologize, but we limit affiliations to wikis related to official Tales series. Lanate (talk) 00:48, December 11, 2019 (UTC)
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