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Tales of the World: Reve Unitia Arte Pages

So I found a Japanese Wiki which lists TotW:TU's character artes and made base for the arte list for Cress: link I'd like your input on it since we should get arte lists for that game at some point.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:36, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Just pointing out that Lanate is on vacation and will not be back until the end of the month.

Arosia (talk) 02:44, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, didn't know that. Thanks for mentioning that. Maybe you have something you'd like to say about the WIP arte page, Arosia?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:09, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

That's Lanate's jurisdiction, so I'm fine with whatever input he has or decisions he makes in that regard.

Arosia (talk) 03:08, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

I think it looks fine, but I'd move the AP Cost to the outside. When we design column-type pages, we typically put information related to requirements (costs, level) at the outer edge of the table. I think ToP SFC - Cress Albane: Artes has the closest column sorting to this. Lanate (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
All right I made the suggested change: link is this fine? If so, I'll gradually add arte lists for TotW:RU.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 00:06, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
I think that's fine, though I believe that Reve Unitia should share a template with Tactics Union. Lanate (talk) 03:55, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Arte categories

When you get back, I'd like your help in outlining what constitutes an arte being categorized in a particular arte category. Some can be vague, and I want all users to clearly be able to understand how they should categorize arte pages. This will also be useful for when we need to reference such criteria easily, either for other users or our own benefit (me, mainly).

Arosia (talk) 19:54, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

Back, but kind of groggy. Basically we have a bunch of defined categories listed on Aselia:Arte Category Order, and if an arte can fit in them, then we add them. We don't include a category if it fits within a subcategory, but it can fit into as many subcategories as necessary. We also tend to lump together if they're very close to each other in all but name.
Hm, I'd argue that the Seraphic Artes category is more equivalent to the spells category than a subset, and its offensive and healing versions are actually clearly delineated within the game (they have different casting markers). You could argue the same with Force magic artes:
  • Force Sorcery would be Offensive
  • Force Ritual would be Support
  • Fusionic Force Sorcery would be both Offensive and Arcane
  • Fusionic Force Climate would be both Support and Arcane
Lanate (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Okay. You can feel free to change that list based on what you think is best. I trust your reasoning when it comes to artes. We should have everything clearly defined so that it's easier for me and other users to categorize arte pages appropriately.

Arosia (talk) 04:57, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Edit monitoring

Out of curiosity, were there any edits between last night's activity and your activity this morning? Even loading the past 500 edits doesn't show me lol.

Arosia (talk) 18:29, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

This, this, and the creation of User:Crystal Tear/History of Tales: Part 2 - Pop Goes Tales. Thankfully, I can hide my own edits. Lanate (talk) 18:31, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Lol okay, thanks. Sorry to bother.

Arosia (talk) 18:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Trying to avoid creating too many conversations on your talk page. I'm done. Are you going to do the ToD2 arte list pages, or do you want me to do them?

Arosia (talk) 06:07, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Lol, you caught me pretty much when I quit for the night. You can go ahead with them if you want. Lanate (talk) 02:14, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
On second thought, I'll do them. Lanate (talk) 02:22, December 2, 2015 (UTC)


I'm really impressed with the amount of work that has been done between the two of us recently, and I'm really liking how good the wiki is looking. Thanks for all the work you've done with the templates and arte list pages.

Arosia (talk) 04:48, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

And thanks to you too for the work on the images, templates, new arte pages, and general maintenance. Lanate (talk) 05:49, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Question. Do you know who this is official artwork of? I was thinking maybe Leianna, but I find it strange that she would have artwork and others like Fayte and Ilene wouldn't.

Arosia (talk) 01:30, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

No clue. I can confirm it's from a Mutsumi Inomata Tales of Destiny page though. Lanate (talk)

It has to be Leianna lol. There's no one else! ...but in all seriousness, the hair color matches, and she's like royalty or something, if I remember correctly. I dunno. I'm currently playing through the game again.

Arosia (talk) 03:19, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Possibly taken from this.

Arosia (talk) 03:24, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

It is from it. If you reverse image search it on google, it'll show the full page, except with zero context past the fact that she's from Tales of Destiny. Lanate (talk) 03:25, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I found the page. This and this are the only decent views I can get of her. Oh well.

Arosia (talk) 03:44, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

I thought we only created romanized redirects for artes that are unlocalized in some games, meaning they can be found listed on tables under their romanized names instead of localized names. I'm still learning about arte pages, but yeah, that's why I didn't create redirects for those two—they only appear in ToV. I've probably overlooked that on a few other occasions as well.

Also, do you have any other favorite characters in the series besides Jude (I'm assuming)? I wanted to update the Staff page.

Arosia (talk) 04:16, December 13, 2015 (UTC)

It's more future-proofing than anything else. If a future title uses it, it's a good way to catch it, and there's no real harm there. More just-in-case than anything else.
And for favorite characters, I'm just going to toss Sorey, Ludger, Guy, and Cress out there. Lanate (talk) 08:16, December 13, 2015 (UTC)


Hello. Can you give me some tips on how to get my Ladle page to look like the other item pages? I'm not very tech-savvy and I thought that with your message that you left me that you could help. And thank you for your offer by the way.

Librat13 (talk) 05:54, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

First of all, that message on your wall from Lanate is auto-generated. He didn't actually post it himself. Second, you shouldn't have created that page if you didn't know how to properly because that leaves the job of formatting it correctly to someone else. If Lanate doesn't fix it for you, I will delete it.

Arosia (talk) 06:39, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

The general idea is to look at another page and just copy its formatting. Lanate (talk) 07:00, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Arte categories

Arte categories tend to be basic enough; as general rule, most categories except top-level categories are explicit categorizations rather than descriptive; some of the magic arte categories once were explicit as well but moved toward descriptive (and I'm still kind of iffy on that).

  • Category:Artes: General arte category. No individual arte should go here; there hasn't been a case where it hasn't been possible to classify something as either strike or magic.
    • Category:Physical Artes‎: Self-explanatory. Anything in here is a strike arte that hasn't been classified deeper.
      • Category:Standard Combo Artes: Contains the Base, Master, and Arcane arte categories; isn't used on it its own.
        • Category:Base Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Tokugi (特技?), as well as Hissatsuwaza (必殺技?) from Phantasia and Bushinwaza (武身技?) from Xillia and Xillia 2.
        • Category:Master Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Higi (秘技?), as well as Hissatsuwaza (必殺技?) from Tempest
        • Category:Arcane Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed Ougi (奥義?)
      • Category:Elemental Physical Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as such in a game that includes the category; Jutsukengi (術剣技?) and Jutsukyuugi (術弓技?) in Destiny PS2 and Shinengi (思念技?) in Hearts.
      • Category:Martial Combo Artes: Contains the martial combo artes as used by Farah and Regal.
        • Category:Ground Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Chijougi (地上技?)
        • Category:Anti-Air Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Taikuugi (対空技?)
        • Category:Midair Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Kuuchuugi (空中技?)
        • Category:Special Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Tokushuwaza (特殊技?). Is probably going to be moved up one based on Eternia Online and Narikiri Dungeon X.
        • Category:Power Artes: Any strike arte that has been explicitly classed as Kyoudawaza (強打技?)
        • Category:Throws: Any strike arte that is derived from the throws in Legendia. Should really be moved up one.
    • Category:Spells: ‎Self-explanatory. Anything in here is a magic arte that hasn't been classified deeper.
      • Category:Novice Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as either Kakyuujutsu (下級術?) or Shokyuujutsu (初級術?)
      • Category:Intermediate Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as Chuukyuujutsu (中級術?)
      • Category:Advanced Tier Spells: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed as Joukyuujutsu (上級術?)
      • Category:Arcane Magic Artes: Any magic arte that has been explicitly classed Ougi (奥義?); Xillia and Xillia 2 so far, but Fusionic Force Climate and Fusionic Force Sorcery can fit in here as well.
      • Category:Offensive Spells: Any magic arte with attacking properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Kougekijutsu (攻撃術?) or in-game equivalent; Force Sorcery and Fusionic Force Sorcery seem to belong in here
      • Category:Healing Spells: Any magic arte with healing (curative) properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Chiyujutsu (治癒術?), Kaifukujutsu (回復術?), Kaifukugi (回復技?), or in-game equivalent
      • Category:Support Spells: Any magic arte with support (not curative) properties but was originally meant for artes explicitly classed as Hojojutsu (補助術?) or in-game equivalent
      • Category:Seal Spells: Any magic arte classed as Fujutsu (符術?)
      • Category:Formation Artes: Any magic arte classed as Jinjutsu (陣術?); originally Force Ritual and Fusionic Force Climate, but Radiant Mythology 3 introduced its own
    • Category:Mystic Artes: Any arte that has been classed a Hi Ougi (秘奥義?) or its in-game equivalent like Blast Caliber.
    • Category:Summons: Any arte that summons another create; originally meant for the Spirits but expanded to Jiraiya and Blue Dragon
    • Category:Unique Arte Types: Anything arte class that doesn't fit above
Lanate (talk) 03:28, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you.

Arosia (talk) 18:45, December 24, 2015 (UTC)



I admit I have fixed the entry on Suzu-chan page a bit in rush (Suzu Fujibayashi). I have later noticed that the error of "PSX" writing is global. Since probably I don't have enough edit power to do it, I would like to leave the note here. PSX is NOT PlayStation ("1"), it's an exclusive PS2 edition with DVD player bundled in one big freaking box. I'm not sure who was silly enough to start that bad trend of calling PlayStation per PSX but it's wrong. The most correct name for first Sony (actually half Sony) console is just "PlayStation" not even PS1 or worse PSOne, just PlayStation. If someone doesn't believe it, here goes: [image file removed]. There is nice big "PSX" on top and... "PlayStation 2" on bottom left, oh and a remote gratis. I hope that solves whole confusion about PS and PSX.

Best regards and have a nice day~

ISubaru (talk) 03:39, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

We had a discussion on Talk:Suzu Fujibayashi. Thank you for your contribution, but the original PlayStation was abbreviated as the PSX in the English community for long enough that it's still in use at the moment. Additionally, the PlayStation X console does not have native games, so there's no confusion on that end. We acknowledge its existence but will continue to use PSX as the acronym for the original PlayStation. Lanate (talk) 04:23, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Please write in paragraphs. Removing broken file link.

Arosia (talk) 04:46, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

I know you've been editing historical comments, but refactoring someone's current talk page comments is a little too controlling, I feel. At least on my own talk page, I'd rather leave them unedited from the writer's styling. Lanate (talk) 04:57, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

No, I really haven't. I've been structuring them into a titled format to distinguish differing conversations. I rarely adjust a person's comment, but if I do, it's either for readability or aesthetic purposes. I won't mess with it on your talk page anymore, but I will continue to do so elsewhere if I deem it necessary.

Arosia (talk) 05:03, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Also, going to make a point that broken file links should always be removed to avoid clogging the Wanted Files inventory, which I recently purged. I can blame Winxfan for the first two on that list.

Arosia (talk) 05:06, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

It just comes down to what we consider acceptable in terms of this, and we have different standards, that's all. I prefer leaving things as unedited as possible, and broken files, I'd rather wrap in nowiki tags, but I'm only going to apply that to my talk pages. Lanate (talk) 05:15, December 31, 2015 (UTC)


Lanate, you're better at computers than I am. I cannot for the life of me reduce the KB of this image, no matter what I try. I drastically reduced the pixel dimensions, obviously, but it didn't affect the KB. Compressing and saving it as a JPEG didn't work, either. There has to be a way to apply this image to the background and have it cover everything at the "fix" setting.

Arosia (talk) 00:27, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Improvised with this. I think it looks pretty.

Arosia (talk) 00:38, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

One more thing. Is there a search and replace function that you can use through Wikia?

Arosia (talk) 03:02, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I use AutoWikiBrowser. Can we tie functions to CSS as opposed to item so future color changes don't need to repeat this? Lanate (talk) 04:31, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean?

Arosia (talk) 04:36, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Something like ToP SFC - Trade Items, where we tie table colors to CSS classes in MediaWiki:Common.css as opposed to our current hard-coding. Lanate (talk) 04:46, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I would have to learn how to do it...

Arosia (talk) 04:51, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Gimme a day or two of experimenting? I think I can centralize something... Lanate (talk) 04:52, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

So revert what I've already done, or just don't do anymore, or what?

Arosia (talk) 04:55, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Don't do anymore? If the color ever changes again, it'll be another exercise in frustration as you're about to undergo. Lanate (talk) 04:59, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. The colors on this page are what I want, so I hope you're okay with them. The pastel shades compliment the new background and theme well.

Arosia (talk) 05:11, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I generally prefer a darker background, as you can tell by the original colors, but not enough to object. Lanate (talk) 05:14, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
How do these pages look?
I think they're all right on both Monobook and Wikia. Lanate (talk) 07:12, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, this is what I wanted. So what am I going to have to do now?

Arosia (talk) 07:16, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I'll do it since there's some quirks involved. But AutoWikiBrowser is still good for mass, repetitive edits. Lanate (talk) 07:32, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I wish I could help because I feel like it's going to be a long process. I'll look into the AutoWikiBrowser tomorrow. Goodnight.

Arosia (talk) 08:00, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Wow. Did you even sleep last night? I hate to ask, but were there any edits from other users during your sweep? Also, is that all of the arte pages done?

Arosia (talk) 19:49, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

No edits that I saw, and it's all arte and passive skill pages. Lanate (talk) 04:12, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

I'm wanting to do something on our main page similar to the Final Fantasy Wiki's main page, with the portaled buttons that redirect to different categories. I've noticed a lot of wikis have begun implementing it, but I'm not sure where to begin.

Arosia (talk) 01:30, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

I don't either, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 02:21, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Hm. I think it's configured through their CSS.

Arosia (talk) 02:39, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

ToP SFC icon images

I've uploaded them all, and I honestly would add them to the tables myself because I don't find it hard or that tedious, but the translations vary too much. I can't distinguish what is what, but I like to have the file names mirror their original source. I really am willing to do it, but do you know which ones differ, as in from our list compared to theirs? They alphabetize them, so I can't go based on stats.

Arosia (talk) 01:52, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean? You should be able to match image to item by either stat or effect. Lanate (talk) 03:10, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I think some of our translations are wrong.

Arosia (talk) 04:00, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Compared to what? Lanate (talk) 04:07, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Them. Who else?

Arosia (talk) 04:08, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I mean, that site is based off of the DeJap patch, but the list pages use the Japanese names as all unlocalized list pages do. Those pages don't and will never use fan translations as official names. Lanate (talk) 04:11, January 6, 2016 (UTC)


I change my mind a lot, as you may have noticed. I've removed the animation images from all pages and sorted them into galleries that function identically to their category pages, but ultimately, I want them off the wiki. They're unnecessary and do nothing but take up space. I just wanted to give you a heads up in the event that you want to save or store them somewhere because I will be deleting them all tonight.

Arosia (talk) 03:43, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Honestly? I don't see the point of removing them. All it does is create more work than just leaving them alone in a gallery page where they're doing no harm. Lanate (talk) 03:51, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I wasn't really posting it for discussion. I'll be deleting them under "Author's request".

Arosia (talk) 04:32, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

This and this.

Arosia (talk) 03:54, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Also, are you cool with all the recent changes? I finished what I wanted to, so now I'm back to just adding/creating instead of mass cleaning.

Arosia (talk) 00:57, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

I don't see a better way of listing the characters in the crossover game, and considering that they're one of the central points, I like them as they are.
I'll work on readding Nova's information if I have time.
Also, what happened to all the useful sprite images, like Shizel's and Dhaos's different forms? I don't agree in deleting pictures that can be used to show the different appearances of characters, if in character galleries if nothing else. Without them, we actually have less information on the characters. Lanate (talk) 04:49, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I want to keep them of course, but don't you think a table or something would be better? As for the sprites, eh... I was reformatting a lot and purging what I didn't use. I believe those were deleted because I had replaced them with the enemies icon uploads or something? I'm not sure. I assumed they were duplicated. Are you positive the sprites aren't on the wiki anymore? I can add the newer ones to the appropriate pages.

Arosia (talk) 05:02, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

  • Past Shizel (ToE - PSX).png
  • ToP iOS Valkyrie.jpg
  • ToP iOS Feather Dhaos.jpeg
  • ToP GBA - Plume Dhaos.png
  • ToP GBA - Phaser Dhaos.png
  • ToP iOS Mars's Death.jpg
  • ToP iOS Cust.jpeg
These files are at the bare minimum show either character sprites or impactful events for the character, or even showing what Cust looks like on Thor's page. It's just... I disagree with your tendency to go back and forth on images and then delete things just because you don't like them at the moment. You just make more work on yourself. I'm also of the opinion that an image very rarely harms the wiki unless they're of poor quality, especially when they actually depict relevant things. Lanate (talk) 03:23, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'll restore them and plug them back into the pages they were removed from. I change my mind a lot and have super OCD, but I'm trying to tone it down.

Arosia (talk) 03:33, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! I hope you didn't mind me cross-categorizing the enemy sprites into character categories. Lanate (talk) 03:57, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

No, that's fine. I meant to do it myself back when I uploaded them but forgot. There's probably more duplicates that need to be deleted and replaced, like with the Valkyrie one you just did, but I can get to that whenever.

Arosia (talk) 04:01, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

"New user"

"I'm the first to admit that I'm not neutral in this, but there's something concerning the new user that I've found has held true over the years that I feel you should be aware of: here. I take a very hands off approach to this user because any good of their contributions tends to be colored by my perception. Lanate (talk) 02:55, March 4, 2016 (UTC)":

First you had a problem with me on the Digimon wiki and now here. I admit I made mistakes on the Digimon wiki but I did try to correct them to the best of my ability. What have I done here that aggravates you?

Jdogno7 (talk) 03:08, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, that's about enough. That link was all I needed. You'll stop there or receive a ban on yet another wiki.

Arosia (talk) 03:27, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Who are you speaking to?

Jdogno7 (talk) 03:41, March 4, 2016 (UTC)


Could you please confirm how Sorey is a Seraphim? No offence to Arosia but she has not played it to view full detail. Just watching cutscenes does not help.

Shepherds turning into Seraph? Pwah. It is those that are of cleanliness and free of malevolence. Not Shepherds. We all know there have been failed Shepherds.

Anyway. Sorry. I removed the information from Edna's trivia because I was the one who added it believe it or not (check the history from a few months ago). I only deleted it because I am naturally on the Japanese Tales wikis (2 of them) and a new Tales wiki = helping them expand.

I added what I wrote on Edna's trivia on the other wiki and the admin said that since it is of my words then I should take responsibility.

Since Arosia technically hates me. I figured why should I leave my expansions here as I am migrating.

Anyway, where has it been confirmed of Sorey's age because it is definitely not the guidebooks. If you were the only wiki admin then I would not mind being here. But Arosia? Can't handle. I don' t mind helping out here but I am not going to if she keeps criticizing everything I do. Okay. I missed out the plural 's', big deal. You notice it, you fix it.

--Cheriamainer (talk) 14:43, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

Actually wait. My friend showed me the age source. I forgot about that. Okay, he is 17 but it is not entirely confirmed as it is secondary.--Cheriamainer (talk) 14:46, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

I was saying that it's heavily implied because of the extreme passage of time and the recurring theme of pure humans being able to be turned into seraphim. Lanate (talk) 03:15, March 10, 2016 (UTC)


Have you seen this shit? Google-powered ads with links to other wiki pages (not necessarily restricted to this wiki) are now embedded within articles on Wikia skin, appearing after the first main section. In addition, they've removed the recent sidebar that served as alternate "Read more" links. I am not at all happy with this, and I regret to say that it appears as though we embedded the ad ourselves as a table, which is literally what I believed it to be at first. Are people talking about this? If so, where? I am livid.

Arosia (talk) 22:02, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

I actually haven't seen it. I haven't been able to reproduce it either, but I run both NoScript and Adblock, neither of which I put wikia on the whitelist for... I tried on private browsing, and while the ads make the site unbearably slow, I don't see it in the middle of content. Lanate (talk) 01:10, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Strange. Has anyone been talking about it?

Arosia (talk) 02:29, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

There was something from December: here Lanate (talk) 02:37, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

I don't even know, but I really don't like it.

Arosia (talk) 04:41, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Look! It's so bad! Who thought this was acceptable? It's intrusive, and in examples such as this one, the links aren't even to our own pages!

Arosia (talk) 18:14, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

This is the worst I get. Again, I run NoScript and Adblock so it takes actual effort to see stuff like that. Wikia ads are the definition of obnoxious though. Lanate (talk) 04:55, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

I don't see the ads at all on my work computer, so I have no idea why they randomly began appearing on my home computer.

Arosia (talk) 19:24, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

Have you tried running some malware removal? Maybe some browser plugins? Lanate (talk) 02:52, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

So, something I just noticed. The Google-powered ads are no longer appearing for me. Yay, I guess?

Arosia (talk) 19:17, April 15, 2016 (UTC)

Hopefully it stays disappeared. Lanate (talk) 03:23, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

That user...

Surely there is a way to put an end to this. Do I need to report him to someone, or what?

Arosia (talk) 18:16, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

I wish there was. Look at the following exhibits: w:c:digimon:User talk:Jdogno7, w:c:digimon:Special:BlockList (if it says abusing multiple accounts within the last couple of years, it's probably them), w:c:megamitensei:User talk:Lanate, w:c:community:Thread:945264. Lanate (talk) 18:47, April 1, 2016 (UTC)


Lanate, I only have a couple, but is it okay if I start adding some of the 5-star characters, or is there a specific reason why that page isn't up? Sagekita (talk) 04:51, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead. It only hasn't been created because I started from 1 star up, and I still haven't finished 4 star. Lanate (talk) 14:17, April 13, 2016 (UTC)


Do you know of any way to contact Mayu, besides here? Like, is she active on anything else, that you know of?

Arosia (talk) 18:34, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but no. When she left, I believe she desired to distance herself from the fandom entirely. Lanate (talk) 18:36, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

That makes me sad because I was really hoping to reconcile things with her. Also, I've sort of patched things up with one of the admins at Taleslations, so I've added them as an affiliate. They may edit the wiki from time to time, providing citations or simply correcting wrong information.

Arosia (talk) 18:45, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I need your assistance please!

Please stop Arosia from posting false information on the Van Grants wiki page. The "trivia" they continue to change back makes absolutely no sense, is written quite poorly, and shows they never played the game. The reason for that cut-in effect was repeatedly established throughout the latter half of the game and is a nod to old-school games of the past. I've played and beaten Tales of the Abyss on the PS2 four times and even beat Nebilim. Please correct Arosia's misbehavior. --JarinJove (talk) 00:40, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Cute. I actually didn't post that information, but I will not let you remove it and add your own conjecture.

Arosia (talk) 06:02, June 23, 2016 (UTC)


Check. These. Out. Has this information always been available? This is a great resource. I've always wanted to see these sort of statistics.

Arosia (talk) 03:13, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 00:31, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

About the ToZ status ailments page

Sorry for a late reply, i add the page a while ago not finish it yet because of some personal matter, but it was deleted the next day before i finish enter the data, the notice is because its not formatted correctly, well i`m not aware of the formatting and not really good at it, so is it better if i send the link to the data so you can format it? if yes then this is the link to the data TOZ STATUS AILMENTS --Vermeilia (talk) 11:42, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, it's there now. Lanate (talk) 00:31, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

Be honest...

Is the quality of those Tytree arte images I uploaded too poor? Are there some that work and others that don't? Do you suggested removing/deleting any?

Arosia (talk) 21:08, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

I think they're fine. Strike artes are difficult to encompass using static images, but they're good representations. Lanate (talk) 00:52, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks!

Arosia (talk) 01:10, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

One other thing. Do you think the wiki is pretty organized? Any areas you can think of that could use some attention?

Arosia (talk) 23:50, July 20, 2016 (UTC)

I've noticed we tend to lack in character pages for newer games, ToZ being an example. Such as I did with Ayla's page, I think it's acceptable to at least give the character a page with a template and a paragraph so that the basic information is there. Unfortunately, I know little to nothing about newer characters, such as say Symonne. Just throwing this out there if you would like to do such a thing, though I understand you're busy and mainly keep to data pages.

Arosia (talk) 05:22, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

I think the story based pages are probably where we need to focus on in terms of lacking. Characters and terminology definitely. On the other hand, I'm also going on vacation for the next two weeks. =/ Lanate (talk) 03:45, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

When you get back, maybe we can work together on creating a new priorities list for ourselves and the community. That way, our problematic areas are at least addressed in an organized way.

Arosia (talk) 04:04, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea. Lanate (talk) 04:22, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Would you like to work with me in developing a list of priorities, perhaps establishing some sort of discussion page in the process? I think the wiki is doing really well, and I don't have many things to say. The one thing I would like to focus on, with which Kaimi has been helping, is working toward putting all our image files to use. It's a gradual process of course, and it's not like I would rather not have the images on the wiki. I'm glad they're there, but I feel that it's been accumulating for a while now without much depletion. Obviously, arte and data/resource pages are what need to be created in order for many of the images to be put to use. I'm not as much concerned with the location images. Monster lists will be the most grueling, but I am willing to put in the time and energy.

Arosia (talk) 22:27, September 6, 2016 (UTC)

Sure. My input will be rather sporadic as I take a break after finishing the Tales of Link unit pages, but I won't completely disappear. Lanate (talk)

So, um...

Were you aware this existed? They have copied and pasted a few of our articles (Tales of the Tempest, Areura, Leymon), which is grounds for having the wiki closed since they failed to provide us with credit. Do you think this is an issue or no? As of now, I don't really care. I will care, however, if it continues to be a problem. Duplicate wikis are already frowned upon, and it wouldn't be difficult for me to take this to Wikia and have the issue resolved. I am going by exactly what is outlined here. Berseria seems to be the focus of the wiki, and from what I've noticed, there's only one contributor, the founder. Your thoughts?

Arosia (talk) 06:23, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

Before Mayu left, she gave me a list of duplicate wikis. I'm of the opinion that I don't much care about them, and the more they are left to languish, the better. Unless the content stealing becomes really absurd, it's fine to let them be, especially if they're focused on a subset of the franchise. Lanate (talk) 02:52, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Did you and Mayu communicate outside the wiki?

Arosia (talk) 02:55, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

A couple of times; we'd been working on this wiki together for years at that point. I'm still respecting her wishes to distance herself, however. Lanate (talk) 02:57, August 9, 2016 (UTC)


Can we see about possibly switching over to Wikia's new infoboxes, if at all possible? They are space-savers and look a bit nicer, cleaner.

Arosia (talk) 00:48, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

That should be relatively simple; we don't do fancy magic with our templates (one of the reasons why we didn't implement them on another wiki was because of our complex infoboxes, and only half-way converting looks ugly). I'd be in support and could handle code porting tasks over the weekend. Lanate (talk) 02:49, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

Great! Thanks, Lanate!

Arosia (talk) 04:13, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

I did CharInfo; can you tell me how you feel about it? Lanate (talk) 01:46, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen, it looks great. It looks as tough some image sizes will have to be adjusted, but the tabber function is working properly. Also, the game titles aren't italicized. Will we have to do that manually?

Arosia (talk) 04:28, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that with PortableInfobox it is possible to adjust the sizes of images included in them: AFAIK PI always automatically adjust image width to the maximum width of the PI if they are wider than them. It might be possible to mess with CSS if image sizes can be manually set. Also, I don't think we need to put in the template italics for a single field; apostrophes aren't that hard to put it, are they? But yes, I think it's possible to adjust that either with CSS or the template itself.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:11, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

...that's not okay. Image sizes need to be adjusted in order to ensure they are visually appropriate and consistent across all pages. And you're talking about having to insert apostrophes into every existing CharInfo template we have. It really needs to be embedded in the code. Ugh. This is becoming less and less attractive the more I think and look at it.

Arosia (talk) 19:42, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Well, we could upload new images over existing one with "proper" sizes and let the template adjust them, but that would be more trouble than it's worth it IMO. The italics for certain cells is probably possible. I think reading a bit about PIs and/ot asking a central Wikia staff member for assistance would be good ways to go if we decide that we should use PIs, but want them to behave like we need them to.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:12, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

I wanted to do this for aesthetic purposes and because I assumed it would be a simple transition. While the transition was smooth, the result isn't as satisfactory as I had anticipated. Kind of wanting to revert back and not worry about it, but I'll see what Lanate says.

Arosia (talk) 21:50, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

I'm willing to revert; from a coding standpoint, I'm not a fan of giving up capability for relatively minor gain. If the whole point is aesthetics and the aesthetics fail, then why convert? Lanate (talk) 03:17, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. Please revert. There's nothing wrong with our original design, and I would rather focus our attention elsewhere as opposed to wrestling with this any further. Sorry for the trouble, Lanate.

Arosia (talk) 03:49, August 16, 2016 (UTC)


This wiki has had copy-paste content added to it from another Tales-based wiki, especially with the fact that there were no notes to the original author of the content. It seems Arosia has been taking this sort of content without reference or warning. It would be strongly advised to remove the contents and use valid content found from the actual game on the wiki. It is a completely and utter humiliation and the history checks between the two wiki show that the other wiki had the content along time before this.--Integrity1 (talk) 15:18, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Please continue any conversation on this matter on the user's talk page.

Arosia (talk) 19:19, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Pascal's mystic artes

Please share your opinion regarding Pascal's mystic artes.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:43, September 12, 2016 (UTC)


Thanks for helping me out on those pages. I'm rather new at this and I don't have as much time on my hands at other editors might have, so your corrections are appreciated. I apologize for any mistakes I made.ErmacDonald (talk) 03:22, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

It's not problem; I don't have a lot of time either, but I do what I can. On a whole, parentheticals are a no, and we try to keep a neutral tone. I also try to make a concerted effort to avoid mentioning the player during storyline sections, rewriting it to be as best as possible to be in-universe. Canon is also a weird subject, so I think when a side story goes a particular route, how I phrased it on Colette and Sheena's pages is how to go about it. Thank you for your contributions! Lanate (talk) 03:32, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
Noted. Your edits implemented the changes I was trying to make far better than I was able to. The other admin simply reverted everything I did and was very uncivil about it, so I didn't know how to proceed at first. All I know is that Namco never said anything about the Drama CDs being canonical, and that the sequel allows the protagonist to follow up on their choices from the first game, with one obvious exception.ErmacDonald (talk) 05:23, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

Strike arte category?

This has never been a thing? If it were, there would be a colossal amount of artes needing to be categorized in it.

Arosia (talk) 02:42, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

I keep forgetting that we call it physical artes as a category. Lanate (talk) 02:44, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Oh. Why is Apocalypse Toll categorized as a base arte?

Arosia (talk) 02:45, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Nachtigal uses it as a martial arte, which is combined into the base arte category. Lanate (talk) 02:46, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Oh okay.

Arosia (talk) 02:47, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

Artes for different Users

I want to put Satsugeki Bukoken images for both Anise Talin and Kohaku Hearts in Tales of VS., but I am not sure on how to name them. Could you tell me how to sort them out?

HiroIzungo17 (talk) 05:44, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Not necessary. In most cases, one image per game for a single arte works well enough. Otherwise, arte pages may become too clogged when we try to represent each game in which the move appears.

Arosia (talk) 06:05, October 22, 2016 (UTC)


Please familiarize yourself with my recent changes to categories, particularly the implementation of the Storytelling Mechanics category and how these pages should be structured via Page Outlines, then let me know if you have any questions/concerns/suggestions. The only pages we don't have set outlines for now are features and songs. The few categorized feature page we have don't really fall well into other categories, and they mostly focus on their appearances in different games. I'll eventually create an outline. I've made sure our song pages all adhere to a similar format, so it shouldn't be difficult for me to establish an outline for that category as well.

Arosia (talk) 20:10, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Feature and song outlines added.

Arosia (talk) 22:37, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Is everything okay?

Arosia (talk) 05:59, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I literally have not had any free time in the run up to the holidays... I actually still don't. I may have a little more time after Thanksgiving. Lanate (talk) 03:58, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

Oh okay. No problem.

Arosia (talk) 04:23, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

Now that I have some breathing room, I read over them and have no concerns over the outlines as they are. Lanate (talk) 04:10, November 23, 2016 (UTC)

Your adminship

This is actually unrelated to the recent conversation on your talk page on your other wiki, but it sort of falls in line with it. What are your plans for both wikis? I'm sure you've noticed the recent changes page on this wiki. I've been busy all day and haven't had the time myself, but of course, I'm about to deal with it now. I think it would be best if you demoted yourself to a sysop, or if you want to entirely revoke your rights like Mayu did, that's fine as well. Although the wiki is fine, I'm going to begin reaching out to what remains of the Tales community and see what help I can find or what agreements I can come to. I don't feel it's too much to ask for a bureaucrat to check the wiki at least once a day. You do not fulfill that role, so I'm suggesting you revert to sysop. The fault is my own for forcing it upon you, so I'm making the necessary amends now.

Arosia (talk) 05:47, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

I'll self-demote, but I will say that it's micromanaging, dictatorial, and rather creepy how much you monitor my conversations elsewhere on the internet. It's that attitude that in large part drives me away from this wiki, as what used to be a fun way to share my knowledge and passion for the series has now turned into a chore, one that I find myself less able to devote time to as my offline responsibilities grow. Now it's a matter of what fun I can have with my limited time, and this wiki isn't making that list. Lanate (talk) 23:05, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Well, you won't have to worry about any of that anymore. Don't expect me to bug you about any of it again.

Arosia (talk) 23:43, December 18, 2016 (UTC)


I'm just letting you know, so that you're not totally in the dark on this, there was an issue with the Tales of Transparent images being used on the wiki. I am not Tumblr-savvy; I was unaware of the limits of "free to use", as it does not allow for re-posting or claiming as one's own. Granted, I'm not guilty of that latter, but the former was the issue. I assumed re-posting meant re-uploading to Tumrly instead of re-blogging. Anyway, long story short, I was wrong. I saw the owner's post and decided to contact her personally. We've been trading emails and setting guidelines.

We are now affiliated with her site, and I will be adding a link to the main page here shortly. Likewise, you'll notice I credited the exact post for each image; this was one of the conditions. I also deleted some that were re-blogs and not as great quality. Another Tumblr user gave us permission to use their images, and I'm waiting for another to respond. I'll be uploading a few screenshots in our permission confirmation category for safeguarding. That's all.

Arosia (talk) 09:04, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

...and that takes care of it all. We're clear. The other user responded, and everything is okay. Also, the owner of Tales of Transparent is handling a few personal requests for the wiki (those ones I had listed on my talk page) when she has the time. They will be good representations for those antagonists.

Arosia (talk) 11:20, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Okay. Lanate (talk) 18:43, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Berseria localized arte names

I can't hold them (impatient users) off much longer, and I don't know how to tinker with your arte template system.

Arosia (talk) 00:00, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

I can't find master lists right now and don't have the time to compile them, so I switched over to the standard question marks for unknown localizations because I'm assuming that people will be smart enough to replace question marks with localization. Links are such that they remain unbroken if there are unexpected or conflicting localizations, which will get fixed later. Module:ArteLocName/data will get updated as necessary... probably on the weekend; the arte template is at least graceful about not finding a localization. Lanate (talk) 03:38, February 2, 2017 (UTC)


Arosia (talk) 03:39, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Brave Frontier

I didn't realize it was linked on that many pages. You could have redirect to the Brave Frontier Wiki if you wanted. I hope you understand why I deleted that page.

Arosia (talk) 04:45, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

I disagree with it but understand. Lanate (talk) 04:48, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Can you explain why?

Arosia (talk) 04:50, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Ultimately, I feel that in covering the Tales franchise, we can also cover the other franchises that the Tales series interacts with. Tales has had a more than casual relationship with other franchise since its advent. It simply doesn't hurt anything. Lanate (talk) 04:55, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Tempest icons

I just uploaded an image, which I took from Spriters Resource and cleaned. I'd like to crop and add these icons to the data pages, but many of them don't seem to be in order. I was wondering if you could help me?

Arosia (talk) 09:06, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

I might be able to help out with everything but the weapons; I can't seem to find an all weapons hack. Lanate (talk) 03:34, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

If you're not going to do anything with it, I'm deleting it.

Arosia (talk) 03:24, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

No skin off my nose then, if it can't wait for when I have time. Lanate (talk) 03:28, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

You're a real piece of work.

Arosia (talk) 03:29, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

Pot, kettle, much. Lanate (talk) 03:31, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

Anything on this? I haven't sat down with it yet.

Arosia (talk) 02:17, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

[list removed and transferred]
Lanate (talk) 03:42, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

I guess I'll do those and then just forget about the rest since we really have no way of knowing.

Arosia (talk) 06:01, June 1, 2017 (UTC)

And on a second note, I guess I won't bother with ones belonging on pages we don't have yet. We can keep this list though, as well as the image, and reference/add to it should the need ever arise.

Arosia (talk) 21:05, June 15, 2017 (UTC)

Also, I'm removing the list from here and transferring it to here.

Arosia (talk) 21:19, June 15, 2017 (UTC)

TotT skit images?

I'm looking at these and assuming they're fan art, but at the same time, I'm wondering if they could be from some official source. I wanted to see if you knew. I'm pretty sure they're just really good fan art. If you recall, a while back I thought maybe the skit images of Damuron and Casey here were official, but I believe they're just really good fan art as well. Notice the similar style? Just wanted your thoughts.

Arosia (talk) 19:20, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

This is linked at the bottom of that Damuron/Casey page. Are these manga/side material illustrations?

Arosia (talk) 19:22, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

The more I look at them, the more I disbelieve they're fan art. Especially since they're so similar in style to the Damuron/Casey ones. Do skit images such as these appear in side materials?

Arosia (talk) 19:32, May 7, 2017 (UTC)

Also, side note in case you wonder what I'm doing, there's some talk page redirects that were left behind when the actual redirects were deleted. I'm deleting those, as well as removing old spam from current talk pages (Winxfan). Nothing of value is being lost.

Arosia (talk) 04:08, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

I think the Tempest skit images are fan art, as Radiant Mythology 3, VS., and Twin Brave all use the same skit image of Caius that is noticeably different from that one.
I also wouldn't trust anything on that Damuron and Casey page as official, as at least one of the images can be traced to pixiv. Lanate (talk) 04:13, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

Alright. What threw me off was that someone went into such detail with them. I considered messaging the original poster, but they seem to have abandoned that blog.

Arosia (talk) 04:20, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, there should be no redirects in this repository. They are the left-behind results of page moving. Ugh.

Arosia (talk) 05:35, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

All done!

Arosia (talk) 07:20, May 8, 2017 (UTC)

(・ω・)b Lanate (talk) 02:32, May 9, 2017 (UTC)

Confirmed that those skit images, as well as others drawn similarly, are from here and were created by this person. There's Tempest, Vesperia, First Strike, and Dawn of the New World ones.

Arosia (talk) 03:11, March 14, 2018 (UTC)


Fucking deal with this because I'm permabanned on that wiki. It even states in their rules that they are to not take content from our wiki, but the admin is a colossal idiot.

Arosia (talk) 08:27, June 12, 2017 (UTC)

Either revert the edit yourself or explain to someone with the IQ above that of a neanderthal that the content was taken from our wiki. Please.

Arosia (talk) 08:38, June 12, 2017 (UTC)

It's still happening with the same user. This and this were copied and pasted directly from our articles. She replied to you btw.

Arosia (talk) 20:54, July 14, 2017 (UTC)

This. You are going to have to get stern with them because this user has zero intellect. He is lifting images directly from our wiki and has now plagiarized another page because he doesn't possess the basic knowledge level to understand what the admin told him before.

Arosia (talk) 20:08, July 29, 2017 (UTC)

Lanate, I understand you are trying to be nice with them, but the user in question is quite literally retarded. I just read the conversation on his talk page on that wiki. You will have to remove the information yourself because that admin is useless and will take no action.

Arosia (talk) 22:29, August 8, 2017 (UTC)

If he does it again, I'll contact Staff.

Arosia (talk) 03:31, August 9, 2017 (UTC)


Hi, with regards to my TOE edits, I'm getting these numbers from

Please revert my edits.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kusanagiryuu (talk).

Edits should be properly sourced. Lanate (talk) 02:50, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

That link isn't perfect. I'm working with what I have. You can check in game that Blizzard and Absolute does indeed cause freeze. Mystic Sword also does indeed cause Knockback.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kusanagiryuu (talk).

Still needs a source. Lanate (talk) 03:08, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what to do when my source is "in-game". I'm not exactly familiar with all the rules of wikia editing, I'm just putting the info out there for the benefit of others. You could follow up with any edits you deem necessary to keep things in line with the rules but I ask that you don't simply delete any details until I can "prove" them.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kusanagiryuu (talk).

Details exist in the page history, but something like video or screenshot proof is necessary for claims like that that no one else claims. Lanate (talk) 03:15, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

Kusanagiryuu, please sign your posts.

Arosia (talk) 05:18, June 21, 2017 (UTC)

User name changes

Is something going on with these? Doesn't seem normal.

Arosia (talk) 03:21, July 9, 2017 (UTC)

They're a member of the technical staff; it looks like it's cleaning up some name changes that happened elsewhere and need to be fully propagated through the wikis. Lanate (talk) 03:51, July 9, 2017 (UTC)

Tales of the Rays

Why was the unlocalized tag removed on some pages and character pages moved based on name change if the game is not localized yet?

Arosia (talk) 02:41, July 16, 2017 (UTC)

Because the official website it out and localized the characters; I'm not holding strict to the "game itself must be out" for story-esque pages. On the data page, the lack of the unlocalized template implies that the data on the page is from the localized game, which it is not, and I won't add all of those question marks required until I have to. Lanate (talk) 02:56, July 16, 2017 (UTC)

TotR Icon Categorization

Hi. Can you move all of the character head icons in the "TotR Icon Images" category to a new category titled "TotR Character Icons", please? I'm not sure why I didn't do this initially. Thank you.

Arosia (talk) 21:21, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

One the side note with my translation bs being mitigated for now

What do you think of my personal Tales idea? Like with most of my personal crap it's incomplete btw. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 05:38, September 5, 2017 (UTC)

JP Sprites

Since I've never had much luck on English sites, I was wondering if you happened to know of any JP sprite ripping sites that I would have a better chance to find Destiny (PS2), Destiny 2, or Rebirth sprites.

Arosia (talk) 00:32, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

I found this, but he only posted Kyle's sprite sheet.

Arosia (talk) 00:41, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

I don't, sorry. I've tried looking, but I don't know the right keywords to get close to the right results, if they exist. Lanate (talk) 00:53, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for trying.

Arosia (talk) 01:02, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

On a side note, I'm guessing Japan's laws are stricter in regard to online illustration due to their lack of a "Fair Use" policy. It's a trend I've picked up on while visiting various JP sites, as well as JP Wikipedia pages.

Arosia (talk) 06:09, September 12, 2017 (UTC)


Something has disabled the tabber function on the wiki.

Arosia (talk) 02:24, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Correction. Only in the CharInfo box.

Arosia (talk) 02:25, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Temporary glitch on your end? It's still fine for me. Lanate (talk) 02:28, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Images in the infobox displaying fine for you? They don't appear for me.

Arosia (talk) 02:31, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, scratch that. They altered the tabber function slightly, as indicated by its color variation. I went to edit the page and then previewed it only to see it working fine. I published the empty edit and the problem was resolved. I guess it was on my end.

Arosia (talk) 02:33, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Heh, there's the screenshots I was in the middle of posting: Monobook, Wikia. Lanate (talk) 02:35, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Lol thank you anyway for going through the trouble.

Arosia (talk) 02:43, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

TotR artes

So I am currently trying to pinpoint arte types in the Rays, and for certain there are two arte types stated in the "Info" section for each weapon arte; there are artes ( jutsu?) for damage and support spells, and recovery artes (回復術 kaifukujutsu?) for healing spells (although Tear's Healing Circle is strangely noted to be an arte in both releases, while it's clearly a recovery arte). For physical artes the thing is more complicated because it generally depends on the user and/or the user, although that is rather messed up. However in the announcement for the Reid/Farah event their artes Super Lightning Blade and Eagle's Rage, respectively, are identified as "strike artes". However I don't know where I should be looking for the original Japanese annoucement texts, if they are archived anywhere, although by looking at artes and recovery artes' Japanese names I think it's safe to assume that strike artes are ( waza?). I'm telling you this because you're the Wiki expert on arte pages and I hope that we could include those arte types for the game's arte lists. Also, on Google Drive I have a spreadsheet for weapon artes available via the Turtlez Shop with all the descriptions, so you can decide if we should add more details to arte pages (it also includes 2 event weapon artes from Tear/Jade event): link I do have a few more things to discuss: mainly fan-dubbed "hybrid artes" (strike artes that have elemental properties and use both P.ATK and A.ATK in their damage calculation but each stat has a different % weight put into each character's artes), total hits, and casting time for artes and recovery artes (spells only, fighters' recovery artes don't have casting time AFAIK; although I've no idea how long do each arte charges).—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:18, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

I found a vid from the Mikleo/Edna event that shows that they use the generic "jutsuwaza" term in that spot usually: here, though I haven't found one particularly for the Reid/Farah event. Lanate (talk) 04:09, October 6, 2017 (UTC)
So I've found this video and it appears that strike artes are written as (技技 wazawaza?). Still, I think we should do a bit more research on what other events call the physical arte type in JP, and wait for what WW will provide, although I think that "Artes" and "Recovery Artes" at least could be implemented, if you're not opposed to the idea.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:07, October 6, 2017 (UTC)
I'm inclined to think that "Wazawaza" is a typo more than anything; Mikleo's strike arte uses jutsuwaza, so I want a pattern before anything else. I'm still not seeing a case for recovery artes to be split off into their own category. If it has to be done, it'd be a level 3 header under the level 2 Artes header. Lanate (talk) 02:52, October 10, 2017 (UTC)
So the JP site apparently has the most recent announcement on their site (the same as WW site) and this is the announcement for Eizen/Laphicet event: link. It's possible that the WW release puts a bit of a flair in arte type naming in the announcements. It just might turn fruitless to identify strike artes' JP name since they doesn't appear to have one.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:24, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

So the Rita/Raven event arrived in WW and one of the announcements regarding event only weapons classifies Stone Blast as "strike arte", the same goes to Love Shot, so I suppose that it's nearly impossible to introduce some more arte categories in arte lists. At the very least I'd like to divide artes for "strike artes" (no casting time) and "artes" (have casting time; with a possible subsection for "recovery artes"). I could whip up some example table for both "strike artes" and "artes", based on the Wiki standard of course.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 16:30, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

Master Character List?

If it wouldn't be much of a problem, do you think you'd be able to compile a "master list" for characters to be used as a reference for ordering in "gameplay" templates? I ask because I've seen you recently redordered characters in "Template:TotR" to be in line with ToLink order. When I'm adding to the said template I tend to jump around the Wiki to get the best order (at least IMO), so it's somewhat time consuming to be doing that each time, and it might be helpful in the future as there will likely be more crossover games in the series.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:30, November 10, 2017 (UTC)

Aselia:Master Character Order for now. As more bosses appear, they can be added. The ordering for the games is: Mothership/Non-Crossover Escorts, Crossover Escorts, Mobile Titles. Each major category is sorted by Japanese release date (why DotNW is before Vesperia). Internal ordering is based on our own game templates for player character, with previously-enemy-now-playable characters appearing at the end in whatever order we want, though the more prominent enemies will probably be earlier. This ordering can be superseded by a crossover game's internal ordering if that internal ordering at least orders by game of origin. Lanate (talk) 19:05, November 10, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. That will certainly make things easier. I would also probably add TotR since I have a sneaky suspicion that with the reveal of Sarah's appearance in TotR, that Ix and Mileena units at the very least will appear in ToLink, but for now it wasn't confirmed in ToLink AFAIK.
On a somewhat related note, JP TotR is planning to introduce a new arte "tier", something like TotA's FOF Changes; I presume it'll be related to those voiced lines that share the same quotes across all characters' battle voices.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:24, November 10, 2017 (UTC)


I edited Demonic Chaos as Lloyd Irving's Mirrage Arte, I hope you don't mind. Because most of my editing got reverted back to its original. I just wanted to expand my knowledge to everyone in FANDOM.

Hi, I'm editing an article about Light Blast based on Luke's Mirrage Arte, can you take a look at it? I wish you can edit it to your own knowledge about Light Blast that Luke used in Tales of the Rays, thank you.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haruko55 (talk).

The mirrist is not edited. I searched for what mirrist are in the Japanese version, it seems like it's roughly translated as Mirror Knights. Can you add a page about it? Thank you.

If you feel like the wiki is missing information about a topic, please add it. Lanate (talk) 03:31, November 26, 2017 (UTC)

Wings of Destruction

I noticed that both Walter and Ludger/Victor has an arte localized as "Wings of Destruction" but their Japanese names are different. Which "Wings of Destruction" gets a character tag: Walter or Ludger/Victor? My mind tells me it's Walter's since he is not a playable character, but I'd like your opinion on this since you're an "arte specialist" here. ;) —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:53, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, Walter would get the parser. Lanate (talk) 18:10, December 2, 2017 (UTC)


There's a user who is taking all of the recently created Berseria location pages verbatim.

Seeing as how this a repeating pattern, I had in my mind to contact Wikia Staff to deal with the matter, but then I felt it was better simply to bring it to your attention and let you decide what to do.

Arosia (talk) 07:44, December 7, 2017 (UTC)

I just read the conversation between you and that user. Would you like me to contact Staff?

Arosia (talk) 00:47, December 12, 2017 (UTC)

I'm giving it a few more goes. Lanate (talk) 03:28, December 12, 2017 (UTC)


Arosia (talk) 05:19, December 12, 2017 (UTC)

I really do apologize for this, but I have taken matters into my own hand with the problem users stealing content from Aselia to post on Talespedia. I reverted all violations and issued warnings to both users who stole content. I then posted on the admin's wall explaining my actions. If this is met with hostility and/or the re-adding of the information, I will let Staff handle the rest. Sorry to jump in and play head admin again, but I can only be ladylike for so long.

Arosia (talk) 18:52, December 19, 2017 (UTC)

My apologies for prying here, but I've done some investigating on this user. It turns out that he's not only copying pages onto Talespedia, but also onto other wikis as well. I found this malevolence page on the twin-verse wiki, and certain paragraphs are the exact same as Aselia's malevolence page.

EDIT: I've also found another malevolence page on the fan-made super smash keybladers wiki. Again, certain paragraphs are the same as Aselia's.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 02:36, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

He's the founder of both those wikis, but neither are actual wikis with communities and such. He's using them as his own private fangasm shrines for whatever reason. Generally Staff doesn't care about these wikis, but if he is just copying from other wikis, that is something worth reporting. He's literally taken the same information from our wiki and plastered it on both his wikis; it's more than just the malevolence page. I guess I'll be typing up a report to Staff tonight. Sigh.

Arosia (talk) 03:18, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

Further investigation has revealed that he's been also copying from the RWBY, One Piece, and Fairy Tail wikis. He's literally creating carbon copies of those wikis all into his own personal shrines, wholesale even. I think we should let the admins of those wikis be aware of this user so they can take action as well.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 03:40, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

I'll just finish dealing with all of this tomorrow. I've had a long day and really can't be bothered tonight.

Arosia (talk) 05:29, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

So I didn't notice this before but on both of his personal wikis, he's carefully placed links to Aselia and Talespedia. This covers his ass, which honestly is fine because those wikis are nothing more than his own weird playgrounds. A Staff member got back in touch with me and informed me that wikis of this nature are accepted, which I knew but wasn't aware to what extent, and that if he has a link to the original source then he's in the clear. I didn't even think to look for this so that's my bad. He's covered. They're pointless wikis no one will ever see or care about. It's fine.

That being said, Talespedia is not fine. Linking or not (there were no links on those pages), the non-interference agreement we have with them prevents any sharing of content. That being said, Staff will only step in if this is repeated without sourcing the material, which was the case before, otherwise it's left to the admin of that wiki. Don't hold your breath on that one. I'll keep an eye on Talespedia, but I'd say this situation is under control now.

Arosia (talk) 04:35, December 21, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for dealing with this mess. The run-up to the holidays has been really busy. Lanate (talk) 04:51, December 21, 2017 (UTC)

Alright. If the staff says so, then there's nothing that can be done. Just thought I could help out a bit with the situation that's all, but I'll leave the rest to you two.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 04:53, December 21, 2017 (UTC)

A Question

I've already talked to Arosia about this subject, and she recommended that I hear out your opinion as well. Should the Empyrean's Throne from Tales of Berseria and Artorius's Throne from Tales of Zestiria be one single page? They're practically the same location, just two games and one-thousand years apart.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 01:35, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't object, though we do keep the malak and seraph split. Lanate (talk) 04:10, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I'll make those pages separate while mentioning their connections in the history section.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 08:10, December 15, 2017 (UTC)


I'm Kaede Ennead and I'm the author of Tales of Kemet. Tales of Kemet is a fan fiction dedicated to the Tales series. I'm even working on a wiki for it. You can read TOK here: For the Wiki: I would LOVE Tales of Kemet to become a video game! Please put my wiki under related wikia (even though it's under construction).

I think I'm going to have to decline. While I wish your fanfiction success, I would rather save affiliations for wikis related to official Tales media, such as crossovers. Lanate (talk) 04:36, December 23, 2017 (UTC)

Translation reasons

Derp. I forgot to bring this up AGES ago. Thing is, long ago when I was first editing this wikia, someone told me to NOT override of any of KusanagiLord's translations via the citations to his FAQ. I'm not sure if this still applies, so that's why to this day I've had my more literal translations alongside KusanagiLord's, but I'm reluctant to really get rid of his citations as well despite it confusing people ("the wikia's translations or that FAQ's translations...WHICH ONE DAMMIT?!")

Thing is however, I forgot who told me to leave KusanagiLord's translations alone. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 05:36, January 21, 2018 (UTC)

...I forgot too, possibly Arosia? The thing is, I only object if you override them and leave the citation intact. If you remove them entirely, take out the citation too. Lanate (talk) 20:12, January 21, 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, that's the problem; I'm sure it was via edit summaries that I was told to not mess with KusanagiLord's stuff since they held him in high regard, and it was years ago; the only first time I started editing this wikia again was mainly around after the time Tales of Zestiria was released, since I first worked on the Light Spear Blast arte's translation. But yeah, I'll ask Arosia too. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 07:18, January 22, 2018 (UTC)
On a random side note; speaking of translations, I've managed to download the most recent patch for Tales of the Rays (been finally playing that game again ever since the event to get both Asbel and Cheria in the party was occurring; the former is SO my on-point character from now on). Sadly, that said patch somehow started to mess up some text via typos and even revert localizations (such as Bestial Roar AKA Resshin Kohou literally showing its Japanese name in all instances)....I have no idea what Namco Bandai is doing anymore lol --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 11:00, January 24, 2018 (UTC)
Maybe I need to add a comment here? The past discussion on this topic is still on my active talk page, so the specifics of my resistance to SneaselSawashiro's altered translations are enumerated there. I just need to correct the perception that I hold any particular party's translations highly, as there were some arte pages where I ignored Kyo's translations from that GFAQs guide and inserted my own without citing the guide. I don't quite recall if I ever intended to have Sneasel list his translations alongside Kyo's, but knowing myself, I actually meant to say that if Sneasel's translations are not really significantly different due to the use of connotative synonyms, then the existing translations should stay unchanged and nothing else should have to be added, because it is pointless to re-translate something in a way that amounts to very minimal divergence from what already exists. If they -are- significantly different, then the existing translation should be replaced and Kyo's guide should be removed as a reference since it is not actually being used as such.
What was more of an irritating concern for me was Sneasel's translations implying some sort of connection to mythological entities in a game series that makes no such references intentionally. Things like "houou" and "raijin" need not equate to their divine counterparts when they are simply used as part of names for simple attack patterns. I don't know if this concept was reintroduced recently, because I don't intend to take the time to check on the relevant pages, but I will insist strongly that such mythological references must be removed because it is a very strong and objectionable translation liberty when applied to this series. It's as obnoxious and unnecessary as referring to Phantasia's houjutsu as "Methodism", along with all of the invented Hindustani references in the Innocence fan-trans patch based on the justification that TWO out of several reincarnated deities have a Hindu deity's name. If the translations are being changed from the existing cited ones for the sake of being more accurate or literal, then mythological things must be rejected for the same reason. That was the real cause for me reverting Sneasel's edits in the past. I even said so in the past discussion. If this has not been reintroduced, then just maintain vigilance against such things in the future. Of course, if the current adminship wants to accept more liberal translations, then you do you while I scream internally. It's not like I know what the community's preferences are anymore since this series has already fallen into the mobage trash bin along with Fate/GO's Saberface and Sakurafish clones.
Shallchair Bloodfallen (talk) 04:30, January 30, 2018 (UTC)

Space-time attacks

I feel like there's enough significance with these moves to warrant an article but wanted to ask you since you're more knowledgeable on them. If so, would you rather write the article or me?

Arosia (talk) 05:54, January 22, 2018 (UTC)

Oh, sorry for the late reply. I could write one up. Lanate (talk) 16:21, January 27, 2018 (UTC)


Look, I understand what you're trying to tell me. But as you can see, I'm not originally from America nor English. So I'm sorry if my grammar is incorrect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haruko55 (talk 08:52, 2018 January 27‎ (UTC)).

It doesn't matter where you're from; please just use correct grammar and formatting. Lanate (talk) 16:21, January 27, 2018 (UTC)

Or avoid creating arte pages altogether and focus your efforts elsewhere? Just a thought.

Arosia (talk) 17:54, January 27, 2018 (UTC)

Look here, I'm not trying to cause riots or anything. But you're the ones who said to "free to edit" in the main page. So what? My editing isn't that creative to you? First of all, it was based on my knowledge. Second, don't write the "free for anyone to edit" if you can't accept any of my editing especially, then don't write "free for anyone to edit". But you know what? Being an admin doesn't mean you can just write anything as you please but can't even think of other users' feelings. I was happy you corrected my editing so that I can see my flaws, but you get the appreciation from me, but I only got complains from you. Where have I done wrong if I ask? If you block me one more time, be my guest. But let me give you a warning, don't make excuses if you're run out of ideas because users from this page are leaving one by one and end up begging them to come back. Reflect your strictness to your own, will you?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haruko55 (talk).

You are creating work for other users, which is why we warned you to stop and/or focus your efforts elsewhere. Being an admin means we are experienced users on this wiki who help lay down the foundation of its rules, guidelines, and regulations so that the site doesn't decay into chaos. Look at the warnings on your talk page. Look how many times Lanate had to remind you that your efforts are not helpful because they create work for other users to clean up after you. Stop meddling with arte pages, and sign your posts.

Arosia (talk) 18:05, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

I pissed someone off

I just got this message on my talk page....I might as well undo most of my edits if that's the case....I'm a little worried but if it warrants punishment...then I guess I might have no choice but to comply. Also the thing is, I don't know how to respond now... --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 21:45, February 2, 2018 (UTC)

Localization issue for Tales of the Rays (Bestial Roar)

Not sure if I should mention this on the page itself, but back then when the game was first patched on mid January, I managed to get Asbel and all of his available artes on time before his event ended. However, I noticed that for a while before a hotfix came out, Bestial Roar AKA Resshin Kohou somehow via a text error had been fully rendered in hanzi/kanji (裂震虎砲) in both the battle text and the arte text. I believe the text hotfix was done sometime during Emil and Marta's event in the early days. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 20:27, February 11, 2018 (UTC)


This. I am fine with unbanning him, but I don't want him coming back and doing the same exact things. I told him I would speak with you and let you lay down the rules for him, though I really believe we made ourselves clear before.

Arosia (talk) 23:58, February 19, 2018 (UTC)

You can actually choose to ignore that since I just read the comments on your other wiki. If you decide to lift the ban before it's run its course, I'm fine with that, but I know for certain he's going to continue doing the same things over again. I have less time to devote to matters like this.

Arosia (talk) 00:50, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

Give me another day or two to mull over it. Lanate (talk) 03:08, February 20, 2018 (UTC)
I'm letting them back in a couple days under the condition that breaching restrictions will cause a new block of a minimum length of 3 months. Lanate (talk) 03:41, February 22, 2018 (UTC)


Arosia (talk) 03:44, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Arte page issues

I understand that the arte pages are a sensitive topic because of my dumb translation habits, but I want to now ask you of this:

  • 1. Am I able to just simply work on the descriptions and/or Japanese quotes?
  • 2. In regards to the spell arte pages, can I work on fixing up the kana? Any "ウィ/ウェ" is meant to be "wi/we", NOT "ui/ue", and there's a lot of pages that need fixing on this.

If not, then I understand and I'm sorry for everything. I'll try my best to not touch the translations, unless if I choose to discuss it on the talk pages. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 00:47, February 26, 2018 (UTC)

Also, another question is via what Haruko55 did with Winged Slaughter, is there a reason we aren't able to add new arte pages? Despite a lot of them needing to be created? (e.g. Cress' Hirenzan and so forth) --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 01:01, February 26, 2018 (UTC)
Yes to both questions. Don't touch the translations unless the translations are missing entirely. Haruko55 was blocked because their edits were really badly done, always requiring someone else to clean up after them. Lanate (talk) 03:59, February 27, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Also I'm really sorry for angering Arosia again; I was trying VERY VERY hard to be extra cautious since I'm well aware of my situation right now after being banned twice. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 04:49, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

He's gone

I've permabanned him. He is nothing more than a nuisance and not worth the endless hassle of keeping up with. I don't have that sort of time or energy to devote to matters like that anymore, and I'm sure you don't either. As for my comments on his talk page, I will indeed be stepping down from adminship and leaving the wiki in the near future, though I don't know when exactly this will be. My life is changing (for the better), I am moving, and I feel it will be best to simply become like Mayu and perhaps poke my nose in from time to time without having any actual responsibility. Just letting you know now so that it's not a surprise when it happens.

Arosia (talk) 00:52, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

I can't say that I disagree with your decision. I wish you luck on your future endeavors. Lanate (talk) 03:06, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

Modded enemies

So I've come across this YouTuber who mods some Tales games with playable enemies. From the few videos I've seen it appears that some enemies have more artes coded in them, but they are ultimately not used in the final game. Would it be alright to say something about these unused artes (when it applies of course) in corresponding characters' Trivia section?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:32, March 5, 2018 (UTC)

I'd rather not go into that, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 03:47, March 6, 2018 (UTC)


Arosia (talk) 22:42, March 6, 2018 (UTC)

German tag on arte pages

Is there a way to perform a sweep for removing these? We've been removing them for a while now.

Arosia (talk) 03:12, March 19, 2018 (UTC)

I think I can jerry-rig something. Lanate (talk) 02:38, March 21, 2018 (UTC)
Done, as far as I can tell. There might've been a few false positives. Lanate (talk) 03:16, March 21, 2018 (UTC)


Arosia (talk) 20:03, March 21, 2018 (UTC)


It's been fun! Thanks for being great to work with, and I wish you all the luck with the wiki.

Arosia (talk) 23:03, April 5, 2018 (UTC)

It's been great working with you, and I wish you well in your future endeavors. Lanate (talk) 04:10, April 6, 2018 (UTC)


I believe I talked about this subject in the past, but I think we need to improve our navboxes. For starters our templates are mostly written in HTML and to this day I still can't quite exactly wrap my head around the more complex templates, mainly data navboxes like Template:TotR Characters. Second, is accessing the template itself so one can edit: right now we need to input the template's name in the "search" engine and hit "Enter". It may sound easy but it's not really good IMO; I suspect it's because you don't want people to "hijack" templates, but I think that's hardly a concern here. The third would be that generally each navbox type (data, characters, individual character) have different width and even that is a subject to an exemption in certain cases (like in TotR the data template is wider than usual since there are a lot of characters there), so I think just setting for 100% or like 680px for all templates would be better. And fourth, a general template for navboxes would be a good idea. Apparently, there's a Navbox Builder over at Dev Wiki which makes it easier to centralize navboxes. I think it would benefit the Wiki.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 07:48, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

Seem like worthy ideas; I'm going to play around a little with them. Lanate (talk) 02:27, April 17, 2018 (UTC)

Little Queen artes

Her artes are listed in above page. Base artes are missing in Aselia wikia. Can fill missing her artes in this wikia? Windywalk (talk)

We only list artes that have non-data-mined proof. The Little Queen's strike artes don't have that; other Graces enemies have their strike artes based on voiced lines. Lanate (talk) 21:29, May 7, 2018 (UTC)


Not sure if you know this but names and things that end in 'S' i.e Kratos, don't need the 's. It can be spelled as: Kratos' . Still means the possessive. So I'd appreciate if you didn't change it back. 'Cause it's not wrong.

It's not wrong but it's still more common to do so, and I would prefer it if it remained that way. Lanate (talk) 03:07, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

Also, I've been adding the romanized and direct translations to things, some you've changed so it's less direct. I can understand if it seems redundant but in my opinion adding the direct transnationals as is gives it the look of better continuity.

P.S Within the romanji, should all nouns be capitalized?


Barring cases where there is an explicit romanization, if the English localization is close enough to the Japanese meaning, there is no need for an additional translation. Also, romaji should pretty much follow the capitalization rules for its use in the sentence; in this case, yes. Lanate (talk) 03:18, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

Understood. Also, adding -_____- allows for side-not type information within a sentence. Other wise the sentence becomes a little too bloated. If you take the last word before the first - and the first word after the last - the sentence still runs smoothly. I find some of the wiki entries to be a bit too detail heavy; in the sense that there are a lot of commas used where -____- should be.

I don't doubt your grammar and punctuation; but I feel some of the corrections you've made to my corrections are reverting it back to being improper. Also, is there another way I can contact you? I am uncomfortable with wikia chat boards.


I honestly do not like the use of that punctuation but if you must use it, please use the actual emdash "—" rather than the incorrect hyphen. They also should never be used in conjunction with another punctuation, like a comma. I'd much rather the sentence itself be rewritten to not need such asides. And, no, I don't make it a habit of conversing outside of the wiki boards. Lanate (talk) 03:42, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the difference between an em-dash and en-dash. Visually, they look almost identical to me. I also want to apologize if I came across as pretentious. It was never my intent, nor was any malintent. I would like to add to the Aselia wiki, but in an efficient manor. Seeing edits I've done, being undone is something that does tend to bother me; Only because I do not know the reasoning other than a conflict in what is considered 'correct'. Basically, I don't want to make corrections I see as right, and then see them being reverted and then feeling that I have created more work than help. My apologies if I've done so thus far.


Your edits are appreciated, but my job and goal here is also to ensure consistency among the articles. Your edits are not being reverted but, rather, incorporated. Lanate (talk) 02:41, May 24, 2018 (UTC)

Info Boxes

I was wanting to implement an info box for characters so that readers can click a tab. Like this one: Example

Would like for the tabs to be: "In Game", "Concept Art" and "Anime" (Or something akin to that)

I am very inept when it comes to "coding" or whichever it's called. I can follow examples but creating them is most definitely not my forte. I was hoping maybe you could make one and then I could update character profiles throughout the wikia? I feel it adds an extra bit of thoroughness. Plus, I myself have found that wikia with this window for profiles to be a step ahead. I do pride myself on organization as well as information and media gathering. So it would take me no time at all to go through the wikia characters and get it up to date within a reasonable amount of time. (Keeping intact the continuity of the wikia)

(DuchessDream (talk) 04:46, May 24, 2018 (UTC))

I'd rather not. The number of images in an infobox should be minimized whenever possible to not overload the user. There's a good situation right now where their official artwork for their main appearances is what is displayed; anything else can either be placed in a gallery or used to ornament the page. Lanate (talk) 02:51, May 25, 2018 (UTC)

Artes and Arte Lists


Me and a few other people are planning to update various articles about specific artes and pages of characters' arte lists to include video previews of each arte they have and I was wondering if that'd be alright with you.

--AkaRyuusei (talk) 03:58, June 9, 2018 (UTC) AkaRyuusei

I know I'm no longer a contributor here, but I have to say that I disagree with notion. Although there have been other changes I have disagreed with since my departure, I believe it is the current admin and community's discretion for making those decisions. That being said, this particular one poses a number of issues: 1) this wiki has always upheld a rule against video content; 2) specific arte pages already have images, which are good enough depictions of these artes and anything more will result in clutter; 3) character arte lists are tables with a particular format that videos would be too difficult to incorporate into; 4) data pages are not the place for visual examples, hence specific arte pages yielding the actual arte depictions.

Also, and this should go without saying, a project of this caliber would require a lot of time and dedication, as well as further alter the wiki's guidelines for the pages affected when it simple isn't necessary. In other words, it couldn't be half-assed or other similar pages would look incomplete; there is an enormous amount of arte pages on this wiki and a fair amount of character arte lists. This is more of a major decision than it seems, not to mention a highly unnecessary one, so that is why I chose to log in and put in my two cents. Regardless, I'm no longer an admin here, so the current community obviously has more of a say.

Hope you're doing well, Lanate. Sorry to hijack your talk page.

Arosia (talk) 04:26, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

I'm with Arosia on this one: if someone wants to see a video of an arte they can go to YouTube and easily search for it there; many recent titles and older as well have arte exhibitions for characters there.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:43, June 9, 2018 (UTC)
I'm going to have to put a hard stop on that. It's an interesting concept but would clutter the arte lists and are nigh unmanageable on the individual arte pages. Lanate (talk) 01:44, June 11, 2018 (UTC)
But it is possible to make the videos collapsible so the the visitor can open or close the video that shows off each arte, making organization easier. Would that still be a no? Also, we plan to embed YouTube clips for arte clips to make things easier. --AkaRyuusei (talk) 13:13, June 11, 2018 (UTC)
I'm still against it to be honest. I dislike the idea of relying on external hosting and leaving a trail of broken links should something happen; I'm also against the fact that these videos would have to be updated with each new game. I'm also against adding more than relevant data to the arte lists, as they're already pretty hefty. Lanate (talk) 01:41, June 13, 2018 (UTC)

Plagiarism of Velvet Crowe Found on Character Profile Wiki

Hello Lanate, I'm one of the users over at Character Profile Wiki, which has Velvet Crowe from Tales of Berseria listed over there. I found some strange info added to the profile lately, and it looked suspicious, so I looked into it and found that parts of the profile were copied over from Aselia. See here:

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 16:01, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that user has a recurrent problem with plagiarism. Thank you for bringing it to my attention, but you can do what you will with the content. If possible, I'd like the Character Profile Wiki to reword it in their own voice, but I won't demand it be deleted if you find the information useful for your wiki. Lanate (talk) 23:19, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. The edit has been undone and I left a warning message on the user's wall: If I see them commit plagiarism again, I'll let the staff be aware of it on the Character Profile Wiki so they can take action.

--UnlimitedMoeWorks (talk) 01:35, October 4, 2018 (UTC)


This. Although the plagiarism attempts there have died down significantly, the recent conversation on your talk page made me think to check just in case.

Arosia (talk) 16:37, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! To be honest, I've more or less forgotten about that wiki, it's so below my radar. Lanate (talk) 02:23, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

Music Menu?

Hello, I wasn't sure if I should ask permission (which usually means you should) to make a "Music" page. Rather than users going to the categories.

I was thinking of making a visual navigation gallery, divided by series and then sub-divided by OST and Single. I fin visual navigation to be very effective when searching, rather than test-based menus. I've made quite a few of them. For example: The [video games menu page]. Though, I see it a bit differently in my mind. I can make a quick draft in the user-sandbox if need be.

EDIT: I just thought of this, could I add an image of the weapons on the character's weapon pages? Creating a column next to the name column? I have some of the images (Adding pictures is always a plus in inventory-type pages)

Respond when you can, --DuchessDream (talk) 08:54, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

Music pages would be great, though if you could draft a proof of concept that's be great. As for equipment pages, ToD PSX - Tools is an example of what you're looking for. Lanate (talk) 03:49, November 13, 2018 (UTC)
I'll get right on that! and the equipment page is pretty much what I was thinking of, though, should it be the sprite version or a capture of the in-game model? Or does it matter?

--DuchessDream (talk) 12:31, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

UPDATE: I made a quick draft of how the menu for each series would look. I'd start in chronological order and then add the next games music under a new header. a TOC would be at the top to skip easily (since the page would become some what long, since there are so many titles now). And links would be added in the captions under each album's art where necessary.

--DuchessDream (talk) 12:47, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

Can you make a mockup at User:DuchessDream/Music Draft? It looks like an interesting start. Lanate (talk) 02:37, November 14, 2018 (UTC)
I could; how detailed does it need to be? Or is it that I make the page in the draft version, then when done adding everything, it gets published?

Two other questions: 1. What counts as a first party source? What sites are acceptable as a source? 2. For adding the weapon/equipment images: does it matter if it's of a sprite or the in-game model? --DuchessDream (talk) 11:20, November 14, 2018 (UTC)

I just wanted to see a proof of concept; I think that the format is fine and can continue as is. Could you add a description, source, and category to any other soundtrack images you add, akin to File:ToZ_OST.jpg?
First party sources are like the following: listed within the game itself, listed on the voice actor's official website (like, their professional website or their personal/professional social media page, like Sorey), or an interview (like Mikleo). Nothing that involves user submissions, like say Beyond the Voice Actors or IMDB.
I'd say whatever is depicted in the item menu, so I guess technically a preference toward sprites and their equivalent. Lanate (talk) 03:53, November 15, 2018 (UTC)
Alright, pretty much every wiki I've contributed to ignores adding a source for images, but I will be more mindful of that. It's rather funny because I am very about organization yet I neglect organizing images any further than giving them serial names.
I thought that might be what you meant by "first party". I do usually cross-reference before adding info, so it's not like I grabbed the first site and added the actor's name; but I'll still comply with the first party rule.
At this point in time, I had Symphonia's items in mind. I'm not sure if in later games they continue with sprites/2D images within the menus, but I'll use a large amount of discretion in any case.

--DuchessDream (talk) 06:26, November 15, 2018 (UTC)

Question. I am assuming that these music templates are going to lead into future pages detailing the content of each individual album/disc. What sort of content is being considered for these pages? Is it just a track listing (with translations for song titles as applicable while maintaining official typos, ie. "COUP DE GRBCE" where B stands for Barbatos), or would it go into detailing whatever might be in the insert booklets in terms of artwork, production commentary, etc.? Of course the drama CD stuff would detail the story-based content they have to offer, but the music CDs don't have much else to offer. I don't oppose creating pages for them, but some consideration should go into adding more details like Oricon single rankings, statistics and records for sales, among other details so they don't end up as barebones as the generic CD track listing pages on Wikipedia. I think the "proof of concept" Lanate asked for is similar to what I am asking here.
Also, for these templates, please use a uniform color for all of the header bars. All templates of a given type should be consistent in appearance and layout, and color should be used to denote different categories. If these templates are meant to be separate from existing ones, then they can have a single unique color that is used for all of them. I know that a lot of the older navbox templates have long since been merged into aggregate navboxes per game, which certainly does help to reduce some page organization micromanagement, but everything should remain consistent to avoid having to choose arbitrary colors to represent a given game, or a given character as one user originally envisioned for the character navboxes.
On weapon images, the menu sprites are preferable if they represent unique images for each individual weapon/equip/item/etc. I know some games use a generic item to represent item type, so in those cases, an image of the item in question as part of the character model can be used. However, please maintain a single pose for the character using the item (as in, take a screencap during the char's idle pose during or outside of battle), and crop out as much as possible to focus on the item itself and avoid taking up too much space within the item list tables. Don't forget to identify the images as your own when uploading each one.
Shallchair Bloodfallen (talk) 04:00, November 18, 2018 (UTC)
I wasn't sure of what would come of the music templates leading to. I thought of creating a page for each individual item, but that'd add a lot of pages. The second option I considered was making pages like "Tales of ____ Singles" and list all the singles, tracks and artwork (plus some info if there is anything other than tracklisting). So rather than 6 new pages for 6 different OST albums for one game, make one page with all 6 OSTs. This would reduce the amount of new pages being made.
When I am closer to being done adding the album covers for the navigational galleries, I'll strike up a "proof of concept" for the album pages.
As for the templates, I thought I'd make the titles the primary colors of the game's logo; therefore aren't as arbitrary as they may seem. But if this is truly frowned upon, please either feel free to change the colors or provide a small palette of "acceptable colors" (apologies if that sounded sarcastic, I don't mean for it)
I have some game models that have been ripped, therefore I can control the angle of the snapshot; are ripped model screenshots acceptable? (I feel it would reduce the work of maintaining a singular pose having to be followed in a video)
Again, I apologize if any of my response sounds angry, sarcastic or demeaning. I've been told I come across negatively through text.
I feel like compilation pages would be best for some of the OSTs if there is only barebones information. It is under the purview of the wiki, but I dislike creating many stub pages. I will also say that the headers should have a unified color. We already associate the following colors: light green with artes (#e7f3e8), red with items (#FFC0CB), dark green with titles (#D6FFDB), purple with skills (#EECCFF), cream/yellow with equipment (#FFFACD), and brown with system (#FFF8DC), so a color that retains legibility without intruding on our existing color schemes would be great.
I would say that ripped model screenshots are acceptable, but I do prefer whatever the menu shows over the model. Lanate (talk) 02:32, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
I used the mint-green (wasn't sure what category the Music headers fell under).
I would only use the ripped model images in place of missing menu sprites.
I ran into a bit of an odd spot with the albums. Some theme songs arn't in single/maxi format, but come from full albums. Should the album cover be included? Even though it's not an album dedicated to Tales? Should they be left out?
Is there a status I could be upgraded to that would allow me to delete or rename files? I made a mistake on the title of one and I think it'd be faster if I had a status that allowed me to edit the mistakes; rather than messaging a mod. I'm not familiar with what status allows for what. I usually ask for Admin-status, but I feel I'd be over stepping my boundaries there. Does Content Mod allow these functions?

--DuchessDream (talk) 20:13, November 19, 2018 (UTC)

If you want to know what angry/sarcastic/demeaning posts look like, just check out any of the past conversations that I was involved with prior to 2015. I have a reputation for being an asshat (which is rich, coming from the anons on /v/ pre-split, who are known for being spess mehreen-tier RAGE INCARNATE), and I'm proud of it.
Regarding full albums, by which I assume you are talking about compilation albums of an artist's songs, I don't see why they shouldn't be included for the sake of completionism. A separate tab+page category might be necessary to segregate them as needed. (It's kind of a shame that Nana Mizuki and Yukana didn't get more significant singing roles for their respective games; Mizuki was able to do that one idol parody song for MGS Peace Walker, after all. I'd probably be pulled back into being actually interested in the Tales franchise if Mingosu or Akiko Hasegawa gets a voice+singing role.)
Page renaming/deletion was disabled for normal users due to a long history of spam and vandalism on this wiki. There were also many users who disregard our naming policies for characters and artes, which must match most recent localization status, and they would often edit-war to force the pages to reflect names used in fan-translation patches and so on. I would prefer not empowering users with sysop or greater privileges, especially based on mere request, but it's ultimately Lanate's call since I am no longer an admin on this site.
Shallchair Bloodfallen (talk) 02:39, November 21, 2018 (UTC)
I have run into individuals whom do not speak English too fluently, giving odd responses that seem a little rude at first; that's all I have encountered. A year or two ago, I did become a little hot-headed when someone would undo my edits because I felt they were more accurate but I have since matured that sense.
It's not necessarily compilation type albums, more so studio albums that the song is included in. For example: Song 3 is the "title song" of a 12 track album, but the theme song for a Tales game is song 8. The album more revolves around song 3. But I may be answering my own question with that.
As for the the last piece, I wasn't wanting to rename pages, just files. I accidentily titled on Tales of Destiny ___.jpg when it was Tales of Eternia_____.jpg . But I don't have the power to fix it. I know I also can't necessarily prove my "trust-worthyness" but if it helps, I am an admin and mod on a few other wikis, there for having a greater understanding and knowledge/respect for other wikis. If I was a new user who'd only been around for two weeks, that'd be very understandable.
Either way, thank you for your answers. I'll still wait for what Lanate has to say.

--DuchessDream (talk) 04:41, November 21, 2018 (UTC)

I've given it consideration and would rather trial run being provided a list of files that need renaming and what they should be renamed to. Even content moderator status isn't something to be given out lightly; maybe in the future I will reconsider. Lanate (talk) 17:39, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

Music Menu and Other

Music Menu

I've compiled a large amount of the Taless music library. I haven't labelled them yet or linked the albums because I wanted to run it by first.

My plan of attack is:

  1. Label all albums.
  2. Create game specific music pages (i.e all Vesperia OSTs, Drama CDs and singles on one page.)
  3. Create album/music template/info box.
  4. Add track lists, album info and alternative cover art (limited edition, regular edition etc.)
  5. Format track title translations, where applicable and necessary.
  6. Link each album to the correct title on a page. (i.e Vesperia Drama CD 2 to the Drama CD section of the Vesperia music page.)
  7. Correct theme song names on all game pages*

*Some titles are translate, therefore making it difficult to find when searching in Google. I.e "Shinning Darkness" by Nami Nakagawa is originally "Hikaru no Yami". I had to look up the Japanese name since people aren't referring to it as "Shinning Darkness".


I wanted to explain better on some of requests. I requested for some form of higher status, not just for the heck of it, but because I think I can edit better this way. I felt my example of the "renaming files" was misunderstood. I don't want to simply rename files because I "disagree" with them. It's to efficiently correct my own mistakes. I would hate to leave multiple messages saying "could you correct this?".

I also hate to over step my boundaries, or declare prestige, but I thought maybe I could be considered a "curator" of sorts? Therefore, being applicable for a higher status? I hate asking for "more power" as it goes against a lot of my own morals; but I will if I feel it'll allow for me to go about contributing more effectively and efficiently; or if I truly think I am capable (which contrary to, I often have very high self-doubt).

So would there be any sort of procedure I could undergo to attain a higher status? I personally see my "curating" activities as harmless in the sense that they wouldn't interfere with the wikia. If you can think of it as a store, you're the manager, other users are patrons and employees, and I'd be the employee who works quietly on the side adding price tags and setting up displays. One of those "ghost" like employees that aren't particularly noticed but their work still contributes to the store. (I apologize if that metaphor made no sense). I'd even be okay with making a resume of sorts; stating why I think I'm capable and such.

I also would like to apologize for my first few contributions to the wiki. This was some time earlier in the year and I felt I gave a bad first impression. I believe I've grown some since then. I read some of the older message board entries and I see that there was some conflict with other users and admins, that's not what I plan on contributing to.

Please respond when you can; thank you for your time, --DuchessDream (talk) 08:05, December 5, 2018 (UTC)

I think I can extend Content Moderator status for content related to the music pages. This would be on a provisional basis for around six months and limited in scope to files/pages under music. Would this be acceptable? Lanate (talk) 18:14, December 7, 2018 (UTC)

That'd be greatly appreciated! May I ask though as to why I can't be promoted as a content mod in general? I understand that it very much based on contribution. I would really like to help and be at least a semi-important part of the growth of this wiki. As well as have some recognition of my contributions :/ After all, it's not like I'm adding snippets here and there. I do focus more an the merchandise because I don't have enough confidence to add to the lore/story aspects. Also, I apologize for my super long message before hand. P.S I'm not sure if you knowledge my apologies or not. --DuchessDream (talk) 00:03, December 8, 2018 (UTC)

I accept your apologies. Regarding the matter of Content Moderator, it's a matter of time and maturity of contributions more than anything else. That's why it's a period of six months, after which I can make a decision. Lanate (talk) 02:58, December 8, 2018 (UTC)

Track Title Translations.

I am going through all the Original Soundtrack pages that already exist on the wiki and putting the names in as they appear on the album. Some are completely in English while others are in Japanese. Should the Japanese track titles be presented like this? I would/will go through all the OSTs again (after "correcting" the titles) and format them to look like this.

After that, I was thinking of re-purposing the OST pages to be the series's music page? I.e Tales of Destiny 2 Original Soundtrack page to Tales of Destiny 2 Music; and add all albums associated with ToD2 to that page? This way, new pages wouldn't have to be created and the old ones deleted. It would all just be added and renamed (I would do that, but it seems content mod. doesn't allow for renaming pages.)

--DuchessDream (talk) 23:59, December 13, 2018 (UTC)

I would prefer we use our typical format if possible:
Romanized Text
Japanese Text
"Literal Translation"
If that is too much trouble, then just the Japanese text is fine. Lanate (talk) 17:53, December 16, 2018 (UTC)

I'd say what I was planning for was more trouble. I was more asking about the way it's aligned (sub-text and italisized and such) I would like to include romanji, Japanese text and lit. translation all within one cell. --DuchessDream (talk) 00:36, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

File renaming

Hi, could you rename "File:Misera (tvtropes).png‎" to "File:Misella (tvtropes).png" and "File:Misera (ToC).png" to "File:Misella (ToC).png"? I'd do it myself but apparently Aselia's Content Moderators have article and file renaming option disabled?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:28, December 25, 2018 (UTC)

I did it and put in a request to have it re-enabled for Content Moderators. I believe it was a leftover restriction from before the Content Moderator position existed. Lanate (talk) 19:19, December 26, 2018 (UTC)
Any news on that front? I don't know when exactly you put the request for re-enablement but I am still unable to rename files and articles. Not like it happens very often, but asking every once and again for a page to be moved is a bit annoying.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:08, January 21, 2019 (UTC)
I was informed the restriction had already been lifted. I toggled the position to see if it now gives you the powers. Can you confirm? Lanate (talk) 03:37, January 22, 2019 (UTC)
Sadly, there's still no "MOVE" or "RENAME" or anything like that in the toolbar at the top for me. Even manually putting "/Special:MovePage/" between /wiki/ and /Article Name doesn't allow me to rename it.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:42, January 22, 2019 (UTC)
I contacted support again, and I'll update you on what comes of it. Lanate (talk) 03:00, January 23, 2019 (UTC)
Can you try again? Lanate (talk) 03:25, January 24, 2019 (UTC)
It's there now. Thank you for your help. Much appreciated. Also, you've seen that TotR weapons template I did yesterday, yes? I hope it's a good format. Will probably need to reformat the navbox for TotR to include weapons per game.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:41, January 24, 2019 (UTC)
I reformatted it a little, but it's a good start! Lanate (talk) 03:31, January 25, 2019 (UTC)

Skill ToZ edit followup

I was wondering about the skills edit I was notified about earlier where you said I had put incorrect info into the default skills on equipment in the skills page of Tales of Zesteria's Skills page. I have been using information in the wikipedia primarily for the information, so there may need to be edits to other pages, specifically the equipment pages. Please let me know if there's something I can help fix here.

Nah, it wasn't you. When I made the page before, some skill effects ended up in the requirements column. Lanate (talk) 02:28, January 9, 2019 (UTC)

Music Section and Pages

Hello and Happy New Year!

So last I recall, I'd asked what to do about the music pages and the music section but there was no answer to those questions. I'll ask them here:

  1. For the track listing translations: I would like to include romanji, Japanese text and lit. translation all within one cell (sub-text and italicized and such). Is this acceptable?
  2. I was thinking of re-purposing the OST pages to be the series's music page. Is that acceptable and if so, should I make another draft?
  3. When should the music menu page be taken out of "draft" status and put into effect?
  4. For songs with lyrics, should a new page for the one song be created specifically to house romanji, Japanese and English (as well as info about the song it's self)?
  5. I've found a lot of high-quality scans on the [[1]], are we allowed to use them so long as it's credited properly? (I remember seeing something about a an estranged tales wiki that this wiki often has info "stolen" from.)

I have added as many of the materials as I could find that relate to each series. There's only the Misc. section that would be worked on. --DuchessDream (talk) 12:07, January 9, 2019 (UTC)

  1. Yes, that's fine. We use Template:H to format it correctly.
  2. I'm not sure what you mean by that.
  3. I think it's fine to move right now.
  4. Category:Songs has examples of what you're asking for, I believe.
  5. No. Scans should definitely not be taken from another wiki, especially without asking. Please use images taken from official sources, such as the game websites.
Lanate (talk) 04:09, January 10, 2019 (UTC)

That answers most. For 2. I meant if there is the page for Tales of Graces OST; it would be renamed something akin to "Tales of Graces (music)" and then all the audio media related to ToG would be added to that page.

If I gain permission from the fr.talesof.wikia to use their scans, they are presumably allowed to be used then? Template:H is a bit confusing to me. I'll make a test/draft and link it to you so it can be checked. --DuchessDream (talk) 07:31, January 10, 2019 (UTC)


I contacted the Admin on the fr.talesof.wikia and they said they'd gotten then from VGMdb or Game-OST so I have permission. Here is the chat thread. --DuchessDream (talk) 04:30, January 11, 2019 (UTC)

...or you could grab the images directly from those sources instead, after ensuring compliance with CC-BY-SA or similar licenses like GPL (ie. permission and attribution)? As a rule of thumb, images should be taken from as close to the original source as possible, as in the official websites, or personally-uploaded screenshots/magazine scans/CD booklets and covers, from the actual media that the person in question actually owns, if it is at all possible or practical to do so. It is most ideal to cut out the middle men and eliminate the possibility of image editing and alterations somewhere down the line. If there really is no other alternative source or option, then special considerations may be taken, but community-uploaded content on other websites, whether they are other wikis, forums, imageboards like 4channel, Pixiv and other ***boorus, Youtube/Twitch/NicoNicoDouga, or the typical social media filth, should always be avoided if at all possible. If you happen to find images of interest on any of these kinds of websites, then please try to trace their origin by following their own citations if available, and then grab the images from those sources instead.
Also, guys, make sure to get rid of the parentheticals from recent character page edits. I wish to remain as hands-off as possible to avoid returning to my rage spiral.
Shallchair Bloodfallen (talk) 02:45, January 12, 2019 (UTC)

All of that makes sense, my ONLY issue is that sometimes the "official source" is not good-quality. There's nothing that agitates me more than a low-res. image, especially if it's from an official site. My priorities on images are resolution and accuracy (so if it's been edited and is hi-res, I won't bother with it.) I can understand going the "legal route", it is a lot more of a hassle in my opinion, although I understand it's importance. Considering the VGMdb is a data-base and uses user scans that are available to the public, I'd say that taking the images from there would comply. I think if you can look at my way and understand that it's not at all malicious. It's still on the side of "education".

Also, I'm not sure if I'm contributing to the "parntheticals from recent character page edits" thing. I don't really understand what that meant.

I would prefer pages to be named "<Game> Music", like "Tales of Phantasia Music", rather that redirect OST pages, because OST pages imply the OST release.
I would still prefer images be taken from first party sources, rather than another wiki. Just because it's more difficult doesn't mean it shouldn't be done; it should be done right in the first place. Lanate (talk) 19:17, January 12, 2019 (UTC)

So to be clear, make a page with "<game> Music" and add all the audio media associated with that game to that page and leave the "<Game> OST" Page as is? Possibly even linking the OST page within the new <Game> Music page? --DuchessDream (talk) 06:46, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Yes. Lanate (talk) 06:51, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Parentheticals refers to the implementation of parenthesis in writing, using "(" and ")" to surround additional information rather than simply putting forth the information in the sentence outright. This was a common headache back during my early adminship days when I was cleaning, and thereafter monitoring, content pages. It's poor writing, and our Manual of Style elaborates on this:

Parentheticals or phrases that are enclosed within parentheses should be avoided entirely on text-based pages. If the idea can be expressed as a separate sentence or comma-separated clause, then it should be reworded in that way. Parentheses should be used only as a part of Japanese translations and the occasional use of acronyms after writing the full term.

All that being said, I understand Mayu's frustrations, and I've deliberately had to limit myself from checking the wiki and its recent contributions for this very reason. I'm a bit of a perfectionist, or at least I used to be, and now I'm trying this new thing where I've conditioned myself to care less about minor things. I do take a peek at the wiki every so often, however, but it's more out of curiosity now. Like Mayu, I've had some life changes take place, so my priorities are focused elsewhere. Happy to see the wiki still doing well, though.

Arosia (talk) 19:43, January 19, 2019 (UTC)

TotR Equipment Templates

Hi, do you think we could also make equipment templates for TotR equipment like you did for the artes (I mean tables just to be clear)? Would definitely be easier to fill all those pages.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 12:51, January 28, 2019 (UTC)

I made a bunch. Let me know if you need help debugging... Lanate (talk) 03:58, January 29, 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Once I'll get some free time (really hectic time at the uni ATM) I'll work on the equipment tables and see if anything's wrong.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:16, January 29, 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate the fix on the Celica Crowe page. I was actually in the midst of it myself when I got a conflict alert, heh.

Laphicet Crowe (talk) 02:44, February 14, 2019 (UTC)

Track Titles and Characters

I've worked a but here and there on the OST track title names. Here is what I have so far: Tales of Destiny Original Soundtrack. I for the Japanese part, I left the title as is on the back of the album (even though it had English in it's name) For other tracks though.

Also, are you waiting to make the character pages for the new Crestoria game? I was thinking about making some but wasn't sure if they had been put on hold for a reason or something. --DuchessDream (talk) 13:00, March 2, 2019 (UTC)

I did some cleanup, but it's a good page!
There isn't any real reason... We've had really bad stub pages before, so we usually wait until game release for full pages. Lanate (talk) 05:49, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

From what I could see, you converted all the Hepburn to plain romanji? Is that how the romanji is to be presented? I will leave the Crestoria character profiles for now, since I should focus on getting the music done. Also, I was wondering if the Music menu page could be added to one of he main menu drop down tabs? Maybe under Data? --DuchessDream (talk) 05:59, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

In case you didn't notice this. Also, perhaps I misunderstood the original intent behind that Music page, but is it really nothing but a menu? How disappointing. Quite honestly, I think it ought to be repurposed into tabular format following the list-type page style as prescribed also in the MoS, so that a full display of information can be provided per album/release with the following column info as a minimum: cover art, album name following our standard Japanese translation display format (again, check the MoS), release date(s) including variants and per region, disc IDs or serial numbers, and possibly MSRP values. If these are to be organized by game, then they should probably be integrated onto the articles for each individual game, sorted immediately below the Release History section of each page which features essentially the same information. While we're at it, there can also be another section added for print media like official perfect guidebooks and artbooks, also from all regions as applicable. There really does not need to be a single page that aggregates all of this information from every game. That's what the page categories are for. Even if it might be acceptable under the current wiki management, each set of media should be sorted strictly by their parent game's release order, separating apart all mothership and escort titles, like literally every other pan-Tales listing. In other words, ToD2 goes -after- Eternia, and DotNW would be sorted among other spinoff titles like the NariDan and RadiMai games.
As a side note, I always intended to add MSRP columns to these tables but never got around to doing so. The base prices for each game is indeed listed on each game's JP Wikipedia articles as part of their standard infobox templates, although detailed confirmation through crawling Play-Asia's website might be necessary to ensure comprehensive accuracy, if anyone is willing to go through that kind of effort. Back when I lived in the states, I always preordered stuff via Himeya, which always did mark up their prices but generally guaranteed the preorder stuffs, but I guess they don't exist anymore so idunnolol.
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 11:41, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

Well, I'm feeling overwhelmed now. The page I made was a menu, yes. I had already discussed with Lanate it's purpose and it was approved. I personally very much dislike using "categories" as a way to navigate wikis. They are only organized in alphabetical order and you have very minimal control over what they look like. The music pages menu is much easier to navigate. I kind of don't feel like I need/should be explaining this to you since I'd already discussed it with Lanate and have been working on it for a few months now. I do have an anxiety disorder and am currently trying not to panic. It's always jarring when you wake up and go to work on a project, only to find someone has changed something you worked on for hours and messed with the formatting. If you have suggests, comments or whatever, please contact me or Lanate first before making edits like that.

After the music page is done, separate pages for each game will be made, dedicated to each games, osts, singles, dramas etc. I don't know what "MoS" stands for either. Either way, I had it under control and would greatly appreciate if you left it alone until I am done. --DuchessDream (talk) 23:51, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

@Mayu, please don't bite the editors. Category navigation is pretty bad at the moment, and having once place to gather all of the information is something that I believe is fine. Also, everything really doesn't have to be done at once. Incremental progress, where the page can stand on its own in each of its individual stages, is fine as it is. If the concept can be expanded further, fine, but this information, even if it's barebones, is still information the wiki did not have before and is not malformed enough to be considered anywhere close to stub-level.
@DuchessDream, I do agree that the Mothership-Escort-Mobile-Other order should be done, so Dawn of the New World would be moved to the Escort Titles, and the titles should be ordered by release date of first release; Tales Series/Games has them in that order. Our wiki uses romaji based on this page: Aselia:Japanese. MoS refers to Aselia:Manual of Style.
I took one last stab at formatting it to make it more consistent, but for the purposes of the music pages, I think this looks best. Lanate (talk) 02:26, March 4, 2019 (UTC)

I understand this. I originally was copying the drop down menus (as I assume that's the right order). I did add some to the mother ship title because I like to keep things "chronological" by series, but that wasn't the best idea, so I apologize for that. And thank you for linking to the Manual of Style, I'm not the best with acronyms. Thank you for sorting this out, and apologize if I came off in an angry or rude way. --DuchessDream (talk) 06:11, March 4, 2019 (UTC)

I'm a trigger-happy megabitch. Everyone knows this. My signature's name even used to invoke Audrey Belrose, as if the reference ever made sense to anyone. And while it doesn't excuse the way I act, I still won't apologize for it because it's part of my core personality. There is literally nothing for me to be sorry for, as I act this way with everyone, regardless of my position of power relative to the other party. Yes, it means that even my own little makulit will pick up some bad traits as she grows up, be that as it may. In any case, it was only meant to be a minor edit but things started to cascade toward a total redo of the whole page-- which I then backtracked from since I realized that it would just be another few steps toward enslaving myself back into the void (read: wiki editing tedium). Just a few notes:
  1. I tried to shift the table format to match the standard list-type page design for the sake of consistency. I didn't apply it to the full page so that people could compare and decide which format was better... and also because I was lazy and tired. I even said as much in the edit history of that page, which looks like it was ignored yet again; does it need another screencap? I tend to make my comments via edit summaries to act as a limiter and avoid dumping walls of text which consist of nothing but rants and overexplanations that no one cares to read, which often gets misinterpreted as outright hostility. Either way, the standard design seems to be rejected, and that's fine, it doesn't bother me.
  2. I tried to fix the Japanese translation format to match the standard translation display scheme for the sake of consistency. Japanese text should not be bolded for the sake of text clarity, especially for kanji characters which have fine details that become more obscured under a bold font. I realize that using fixed-width text for alphanumeric characters is rather overkill, but it was done partly to emphasize that those Americanglish characters are part of the actual Japanese name for each track. It's probably alright if standard text is used, though half-width text is also a possibility that allows the emphasis to be preserved.
  3. Is there really a justifiable purpose for an empty Notes column? If it is only put to use on two tables, and even then on a mere two entries, then the column just takes up vertical space with no particular value offered. It is far better to create footnotes for those entries where a note needs to be displayed, and then remove the column consistently across all tables to eliminate whitespace within the tables.
  4. The katakana currently on display for Disc 1 Track 1 is incorrect. It should be consistent with the kana for the game itself. The transliteration should also reflect this. The back cover image confirms the correct kana spelling, so I dunno how such an error came to exist.
tl;dr please be patient i have autism Obsessive Consistency Disposition (™)
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 08:00, March 4, 2019 (UTC)
  1. I'd rather a "wall of text" on a talk page than try to read italicized snippets. This also allows for better communication as you can't reply to edit summaries.
  2. I am using the Template:H as Lanate said, so talk with him about it and it's format. I'm using it as the "How to" says.
  3. There is a reason for everything I add to pages. The notes columns are there for notes. They haven't been filled out yet. Notes are almost third-rank on the scale of important information. My method is to apply the basics to everything first. Not go full out on one page until it's "complete"; It slows down production.

It's like making multiple sandwiches. lay out the bread, add the ham on each, the lettuce on each, etc. then serve them all at once. If you made one at a time, it'd take longer. (Please just bare with the simile. I find things easier to explain in metaphors and similes.)

  1. I copied the track titles directly from the VGMdb tracklist since I can't type in katakana. So I guess there was a mistake in there.

Your way of speaking does come across aggressively, I will say that. It does slightly rub me the wrong way. I don't really appreciate the sudden questioning and critiques of something I'm working on that's half done. But that's just me, I feel that way no matter who questions me. I find it very difficult to explain my process and usually tell people "it'll be fine, just let me do my work." That applies to this situation as well. It's a sort of "ugly duckling" stage, if you will.

I can be patient if people are patient with me. I do have a semi-low threshold for certain behaviours though. I don't really care what disorders others may have, so long as they are polite and reasonable. At this moment, I am trying to maintain my composure but also let my emotions/thoughts be known.

Your personality will take me some time to get used to. I don't usually mesh well with people like you, but I never avoided them or avoided trying. So I ask for your patients as well. --DuchessDream (talk) 21:36, March 4, 2019 (UTC)

While I feel that it's dumb for me to need to explain this, I'm not really autistic or ocd, as much as the anons on /v/ and /vg/ liked to claim back when I was active on the Nightly Tales General threads as Aselia's representative namefag. Self-diagnosed compulsive behaviors, sure. Self-diagnosed hypertension, sure. Self-diagnosed addiction to rageahol, sure. I stopped my direct involvement on this wiki to avoid developing legitimate anger management issues irl. The 'please be patient' thing is just a dumb reference to that silly hat. I make a lot of dumb references, subtle or not. 'Rageahol' is another such reference-- I don't even touch alcohol.
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 00:31, March 5, 2019 (UTC)

Cool. Great. I have clinically diagnosed disorders so I didn't make light of your "reference". I don't know how to deal with your manner of speaking if even "please be patient" was a "reference". --DuchessDream (talk) 04:48, March 5, 2019 (UTC)

Reintroducing myself and some help

Hello, Lanate.

You may not remember me, but the name's XZone. I filled in a few of the pages on the Legendia page a couple years back.

Anyway, I want to help fill in some of the Phantasia pages, specifically a few of the GBA items/tools sections and I need a refresher on how to create said pages.

Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards, XZoneXZone (talk) 04:06, March 7, 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Welcome back! The typical thing to do is to look to see if an example page for the type of data already exists, like for recipes there ToV - Recipe and then adjust the formatting appropriately to the game-specific information. I did some reformatting for the Recipe page you created as an example of how it usually goes. Lanate (talk) 03:38, March 8, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll also study the changes you made so I can make less mistakes in the future. And considering time travel was a theme in Phantasia, learning from the past is a good lesson, lol. *ahem* Anyway, thanks again. XZoneXZone (talk) 05:57, March 8, 2019 (UTC)

TotR Spirit Artes

Hey, I added the new type of artes to Ix and Mileena's arte lists (they're the first to receive that) and to my understand they are kind Mirrage Arte v.2.0. I'm not sure if the section name I provided for that arte type is good (maybe we should call them "Fairy Artes" since to invoke them you spend "FG": "Fairy Gauge", but they draw the power from spirits to my understanding), and/or the adittions to arte templates are okay. If you'd take a look and make suitable changes it'd be nice.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 09:52, March 27, 2019 (UTC)

Until more is known, I think they're good. Lanate (talk) 04:04, March 28, 2019 (UTC)

Lists of minor characters

I was wondering if it was okay to make lists of minor characters for each title. The reason I'm asking you about this is that while some characters don't have their own articles here on the wiki, mainly because of how largely plot-irrevelant are they, but at times they are important to certain characters, how things that happen to certain characters affect other characters. The page naming would probably be "ToD - Minor Characters" and the contents would be bulleted characters with theit names in bold + JP. I'd like to point out that I haven't played every game so I wouldn't be able to fill all those pages if we'd agreed to have them.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 21:13, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

I would not mind them, but I would prefer them to be in the format of "List of characters in <media>" with each character having their own header. Pages that start with the initialisms should be data-based pages. Lanate (talk) 00:04, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

Monster Book Help

Hey Lanate. Listen, I managed to finish the ToP GBA equipment lists and I'm thinking of doing the Monster List next. As there is a LOT of data to break down and type, it's the kind of project not done in a day. Is there a way to save my edited work before submitting it to the main page?

Let me know so I may help with future projects

XZone (talk) 00:39, May 8, 2019 (UTC)XZone

Hi. I made the Enemy Book page for Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology several years ago, and what I did was write the guide offline in a text editor such as Notepad++ and submit it when I was finished. You could try this method too. Feel free to use the formatting from the page that I wrote. If you click Edit > Edit Source it'll give you access to all the code for the page.

MabiEditor (talk) 01:12, May 8, 2019 (UTC)


Hi. It's been a long time....I'm not sure what's going on am I unbanned from this wikia....? Also, it seems according to Mayu, the removal of the stuff on my page ages ago counts as vandalism...? Is it possible for you to explain what's going on here...? I'm feeling a little cautious about this whole thing. --SneaselSawashiro (talk) 22:12, May 22, 2019 (UTC)

There was only a year-long ban. I don't particularly care to reban you unless you prove disruptive once more. Lanate (talk) 19:29, May 24, 2019 (UTC)

Phantasia Archery

Hey, I'm new to this wiki so I didn't know where else to put this, but I wanted to ask your stance on a page for Phantasia Archery.

It was a Flash game used to promote the GBA port of Tales of Phantasia. I don't know whether it was Nintendo or Namco who published it and it's not available officially anymore, but it is, technically speaking, a licensed Tales game that the wiki makes zero mention of as far as I know.

So yeah, guess I was just curious if it was warranting enough for a page.

--CrazyNaut (talk) 23:48, May 25, 2019 (UTC)

If anyone wants my opinion, I think it can be mentioned as a part of the page for Phantasia itself, specifically under the Release Overview section as part of the GBA version's subsection. I don't recall anything about this flash game, admittedly, so I cannot confirm exactly how official it is, so some research will have to be done to confirm the details. However, there should be no need for a separate page, since there isn't a whole lot of detail that can be expounded upon to merit its separation. I probably should point out that there are other minigame-ish things that were released with other titles, such as the Etapoke ("Et[ernia?] Po[c]ke[t]") memory card minigames for the Pocketstation which are tied to the Japanese version of Tales of Eternia PSX, or the more recent DSiWare game Kamenin Merchant which was heavily integrated with the original Wii version of Tales of Graces and then purged from Graces fancy-f. I might have preferred to have a separate page for Kamenin Merchant in the past, but now I think it might as well be described on the Graces page instead.
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 03:28, May 30, 2019 (UTC)
I'm honestly debating. It should definitely be covered, and thank you for bringing it to our attention, but I'm torn between what Mayu suggested and a full-on page. Lanate (talk) 03:34, May 30, 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Manager

Hi Lanate,

I thought I would reach out to you, since you currently the only administrator on this wiki. I have recently been appointed as the Fandom Wiki Manager for Aselia The Tales Wiki. I am here to assist this community in an official capacity and act as a liaison between you, and full-time Fandom staff. If you, or any other users of this wiki ever have an issue or question related to the wiki (editing, templates, wiki design, or any other matters), please feel free to contact me on my talk page, and I will assist in any way I can. :)
-Sitb (talk) 02:25, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Game Reward

Hello again Lanate,

I noticed you've been dedicating a lot of effort toward improving and maintaining this wiki for quite some time. Fandom happens to have a new community initiative that looks to reward users who have worked hard to the benefit of their wiki. If you're interested, Fandom might be able to reward you with a free game or a pre-order for an upcoming title of your choosing. There are mostly no limitations, so long as the game is still available for purchase in some form. For the moment, I believe this offer is mostly only available to residents of North America. However if you live somewhere else, it may still be possible for Fandom to get the game to you.

Would you be interested in communicating further with a member of Fandom staff to exchange details so they can reward you with a game?
- Sitb (Message wall / Talk page) 14:10, July 21, 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you for the offer, but if you permit me to be honest, I'm very leery about the idea. I believe that fan wikis exist due to the passion and integrity of its volunteers, and that monetary incentives corrupt that ideal. Based on that, I will have to decline. Lanate (talk) 02:06, July 26, 2019 (UTC)

Not a problem Lanate. I appreciate your honesty and I think that's an honorable mentality to have in regards to wiki editing. It's not often that people decline a chance to get free stuff, but of course, that's your decision to make. 🙂
- Sitb (Message wall / Talk page) 12:09, July 26, 2019 (UTC)


Hello, Lanate. I am Xellis, administrator of Russian Aselia Wiki, Russian wiki, dedicated to Tales series. We still has a lot of work, but I'd like to ask you to put this wiki under "Non-English Tales Wikis". You can find Russian Aselia Wiki here:

Thanks in advance.

P.S. Sorry, I've forgot to leave a signature.

Xellis (talk) 20:50, December 1, 2019 (UTC)

Affiliation's setup! ( ̄一 ̄)b Lanate (talk) 02:55, December 2, 2019 (UTC)

Arte lists for ToLink characters?

I wonder if it would be okay/desirable to have arte pages for ToLink. What I mean we have unit lists, but if someone wanted to search for an artes-only list for a character we have none. I kind of made this on the fly. There's a chance that this arte list format may come in handy for Crestoria's release, but I don't know. I know it means even more extra work (if we go hard on it we might make something like this for Asteria, but let's focus on one thing at a time). So what is your opinion on this?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 18:09, December 6, 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's a good idea; artes weren't a huge focus for Link. If anything, a page that lists all of the units for that character would make more sense. Lanate (talk) 18:26, December 6, 2019 (UTC)
I understand. I've updated the sandbox page and am wondering if that's what you think would be fine.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:21, December 7, 2019 (UTC)
I think it works, and you can add in the information about mystic artes too. Lanate (talk) 06:22, December 8, 2019 (UTC)
I've updated the sandbox to include mystic artes and References section. Will that be an acceptable layout?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:05, December 8, 2019 (UTC)

Tales of Kemet

Since I saw the similar wikias (like the Tales of Link wiki), it made me think you could put my Tales of Kemet wiki up as one of it. The wiki may be unfinished, but I think it's worth sharing with other Tales of fans. Tales of Kemet is a fan fiction that I wrote and dream of having it being turned into an actual Tales of game. I'm currently working on cutscenes for it. I'm also hoping to train myself to be a voice actress after I go to a speech therapist because I have trouble reading out loud. I want to work with the Tales company and be myself as a character. Could you put my wiki under the similar wikis, please? The wiki: The fan fiction:

Kaede Ennead

I apologize, but we limit affiliations to wikis related to official Tales series. Lanate (talk) 00:48, December 11, 2019 (UTC)


Considering its popularity, I was thinking about Aselia Wiki having its own Discord actually. I think it could help us with communicating with readers, editors, and potentional editors. While it's true we have Forum:Index it has fallen into the depths of oblivion. While it's okay to use talk pages to talk about individual pages when it comes to major projects to be done on the Wiki (even if it is just the two of us for now) talking about them on userspace talk pages may not be very "inviting" for others to join the conversation. Maybe we could join some other large Tales-related Discord servers? Of course we would need to talk with the admins of the server in question. Do you think it would be a good idea to expand?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:23, December 26, 2019 (UTC)

The only problem I see is that I'm ultimately uninterested in keeping up with a Discord... I can't in good faith okay something like that when I know that I'm not going to participate—I generally don't do fora like that. If you want to, please go ahead, but I don't want it to be an obligation for you. Lanate (talk) 04:24, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I understand. With such a small community dividing our attention may not work in our favor. ;) —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:54, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
I realize it's not necessary for me to chime in on this, but I really doubt such a discord server would see much use in the first place. From my experience with IRC and similar chat environments, they end up being used by only a few regulars who just turn it into their "internet hangout spot" or "safe space" which actually fosters a sense of exclusiveness and elitism rather than your intended inclusivity. Twitch streamers and patreon paywallers usually tie discord access with subscriptions for precisely this purpose. That is, if it sees any use in the long run. And if the wiki forums aren't being utilized anyway, what purpose would there be in creating other means of communication that also won't be actively maintained? Aselia used to have a mailing list system during the Imaginationac days, and even that was never actually updated in any meaningful way before the system was stealthily removed by Wikia Central (justified, to keep e-mail addresses more confidential). And during my time here, I always deferred most general discussions to the TSF or the Nightly Tales General threads on /v/ (pre-/vg/), so yes, this wiki's own forums became redundant. It's basically my fault the wiki forums were unused throughout that time.
If anything, it is Namdai NA's responsibility to provide such a communication system for its fans and maintain it with active support and interaction, rather than scattered groups of fans making their own little segregated groups and communities. Like, say, an official Tales forum. You know how that turned out... but at least the years of neglect led to some enjoyable moments that would never be possible under strict observation by their marketing department, at least until they unplugged the server containing both the TSF and the official English websites for Symphonia/Legendia/Abyss/RadiMai.
Oh, and obligatory shinnen akemashite omedetou yatsura da-- KU)ry. Wow nore139's videos are really old. Which means I'm really old. Wtf.
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 13:46, December 31, 2019 (UTC)


Long time, no talk. Found a small issue when looking for Tales of the Rays. In the drop-down menu for "Mobile Titles" it lists "Tales of Rays" instead of "Tales of the Rays". I'd fix it myself but I don't have the privilege. Also, my apologies for being absent for half the year. Depression is a b!tch. P.S. Belated New Years! --DuchessDream (talk) 08:21, January 13, 2020 (UTC)

Good call, thanks! And no problem; it's always up the user to decide if and how they contribute. And a happy new year to you too! Lanate (talk) 03:19, January 14, 2020 (UTC)

Changes in Title categorization

According to this article on Abyssal Chronicles, Bamco intends to simplify Title categorization. Right now when it comes to games there are three categories: Mothership Titles, Escort Titles, and Mobile Titles. Now it appears there will be two categories for video games: Original and Crossover. The new categorization/naming convention is straight to the point: Original is for titles that have original characters and includes previous Mothership Titles and select Escort Titles (e.g. Tempest and Dawn of the New World), while Crossover includes titles that put characters from multiple games into a single title, e.g. Radiant Mythology series, Link, Crestoria. Shall we start using this new categorization? Maybe we shall wait a bit and see how the things unfold. At the very least I think we can at least start preparations for the change.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:32, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

I'd want to wait for it to actually go into use before switching over, and I'd like to keep the original categories as a historical note. Lanate (talk) 03:29, January 22, 2020 (UTC)
That's cool and I support the wish to keep the original categories as a historical note. On a side note: when do you intend to archive this page? It's getting quite long; it would be a good idea to at least archive topics up to the end of June 2019 or something.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:28, January 22, 2020 (UTC)


Hello. I'd like to discuss disambiguations with you because I think we're doing it kinda weird.

  1. Each disambiguation page is tagged with "(disambiguation)", bar "Reaper" for reasons I can't think off.
  2. "Dragon Slayer (disambiguation)" and "Judgment (disambiguation)" are kinda strange too: all artes listed on "DS (d)" have tags, while on "J (d)" only Grune is tagged (I understand why it is like that when it comes to Judgment, yet "Judgment" links to "Judgment (disambiguation)" and that links back to "Judgment" creating a loop). These are also the only artes that have disambiguation pages, while all others just have a note at the top informing the reader about other possibilities. Once again, I quite understand why we do that since sometimes it's easy to come with a proper tag, like for Swallow Kick.
  3. Sometimes it's not clear when to use a tag and when not (primarily "Fairy's Requiem" and "Swordian Belserius" mirrage artes from TotR which are respectively an arc name for TotR and a redirect to Karell Berselius's page).
  4. They are mainly used for characters sharing the same last name (just an observation).

Here are my suggestions:

  1. Don't redirect to ("disambiguation)"s when it's not necessary; IMO disambiguation pages are in a sense redirects since they link to other pages. There certainly will be some exceptions but I can't think of any right now.
  2. We can certainly make arte disambiguation pages even though relinking the articles would take a bit. I think we could agree for tags like "melee", "archery", and "spell", while also with name tags for any characters whose artes match JP reading/English localization (e.g. Shouteiha (Hermana) and Swallow Kick (Artorius)), so in some cases with could tag after a class name, like "Swordsman", "Fighter", "Ninja", etc.
    • I think there's nothing much wrong with pages like "Demon Fang" that have variants of its base appearance listed, however the tabs should be ultimately removed (they don't show on mobile devices and most views of Wikis comes from mobile devices, which don't support tabs). Besides, the Table of contents on such articles looks rether ridiculous IMO because a lot of sections are repetitive then.
  3. For "terms" mentioned like the ones above (e.g. Fairy's Requiem, Swordian Belserius) they should be disambig pages that would link to proper articles, like currently "Reaper" does.

Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 22:30, February 27, 2020 (UTC)

A lot of it comes down to previous decisions that I don't really care to root out for some nebulous idea of standardization--any sort of standardization rule will inevitably have its own set of rules, and I'm software engineer enough to be fine with the idea of standardization going forward without retrofitting the past. I'm of the opinion that if something doesn't harm anything, it's fine as is. The Dragon Slayer pages are a historical artifact from before I had control over the naming process, but it doesn't really hurt to leave them as is. Judgment is closer to my intended use for disambiguation pages, and is intended to be used when there are more than two options so that the redirects at top don't grow too much. And I dislike using parsers unless forced so will prioritize the first page that gets the name unless there's a compelling reason (major character or something like that). So, ultimately, I'm fine with the current state of the disambiguation pages as long as new ones are created with a better eye.
You bring up a good point with the tabs, but I'm not sure how else to do it without losing the combined pages. Lanate (talk) 00:23, March 3, 2020 (UTC)

So when it comes to disambigs you're of the opinion of leaving them as it is and recently the way we handled them is fine, yes? Well, I'm the kind of person that prefers if there is some standard to such things as leaving the old things be may result in them being reference material for newer content and it may not always be what is the current way the Wiki deals with such things.

When it comes to artes that share same concept and reading in JP: I did a quick research and it appears JP Wikis are doing it in a similar way to us, but they also put other derivatives of an arte in question on the same page as the "parent" arte, like everything connected to "Demon Fang" they put on "Demon Fang" page. While I understand that concept and reading in JP is important/significant, I'm of the opinion that "Demon Fist" and "Demon Dog" should be their own pages (just sticking to Demon Fang ATM), because as they time passes more games and characters are added in the series and putting everything of the same idea on a single page makes it longer than it needs to be IMO. It wouldn't really inconvenience us much I think since the "Template:Arte" has built in link alternative.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 13:43, March 3, 2020 (UTC)

Image file regulation

Hello. It's good to see the wiki still doing well. I'm sure you're very busy with maintaining it, but I've noticed that the image files uploaded to the wiki aren't being regulated, therefore lacking the proper description/source text and categorization. The latter is what's most important because without image categories, these files become lost over time, and many aren't even being applied to articles, worsening their relevance. Kaimi at least categorizes his uploads, but Sonic2479 (why was he allowed back?) and other users upload blindly with no regard to these practices that I painstakingly established for the sake of this wiki's image infrastructure and organization.

On another note, my ban for Sonic was intended to be permanent, reduced to a year only by Wikia's limitations. He is a problem user who fails to adhere to the wiki's policies. Not only has he violated images rules, now and in the past, but he plagiarized articles from this wiki wholesale. I recognize that I no longer have adminship or authority here, but I respectfully ask that his ban be upheld.

Arosia (talk) 18:14, March 19, 2020 (UTC)

On second thought, I don't care. I remember why I left now.

Arosia (talk) 18:34, March 19, 2020 (UTC)

A real shit show you've got going here

And here I was under the impression I left the wiki on good terms. After all, I did build a huge fucking part of it. If it's your policy now to undo hours of work maintaining a decent, organized image infrastructure, so be it. Sorry for cleaning up the mess you've allowed. I may be uptight, but you're lax to the point of sloppy. You've ignored the image policies I put in place and have allowed users to upload files lacking descriptions and sources, but more importantly, lacking categories. This will create a fucking nightmare down the road, one I already painstakingly resolved once. Everything is "fine" because you don't care about the quality anymore (lol). Maybe you only gave half a shit when I was around.

I won't contribute here anymore. I'll spare you my "obsolete paragraphing styles" applied to the fucking walls of text that corridor every single article you, Kaimi, and every other Monobook fanatic write. Maybe it was my mistake trying to care again, but I really shouldn't have logged in. Leaving this wiki was one of the smartest things I've done. Rant over. I'm not mad; I'm disappointed. I care now, but by the end of the day I won't. Just remember that I was the one who gave you your adminship, the one that regardless of how you feel about it, is the very one you're using to dictate how things are done now. That's all.

Arosia (talk) 01:57, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

Mieu in Tales of Crestoria

Since I couldn't get him, the only way I can take screenshots of the artes is here, but I don't know where to look for the Mieuflame Special. —NDS123 (talk) 11:57, November 1 2020 (UTC)

Milla Maxwell's default weapon

According to the Valkyrie Anatomia Wiki, Milla's weapon name is the "Fair Sword". Is that really what it's called? —NDS123 (talk) 11:57, November 4 2020 (UTC)

In Japanese, yes. It was localized as Balanced Blade. Lanate (talk) 02:24, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Ix Nieves/Kocis

Okay, this is starting to make my head spin. Do they BOTH use the same arte, or do one or the other? —NDS123 (talk) 7:05, November 4 2020 (UTC)

In Arc 2 of Tales of the Rays, Kocis replaced Ix as a playable character and inherited all of his weapons and artes. Ix became playable again in Arc 3, and Kocis's Arc 2 self is treated as a costume for Ix, but one that changes it so that it actually is Kocis. Thus, all of Ix's artes are Kocis's, but who they ultimately associate depends on if they were released in Arc 2 or otherwise. Kocis then was introduced as an independent character in Arc 3 with an entirely different weapon and move pool. Thus all of the artes on TotR - Ix Nieves/Kocis: Artes are used by both Ix and Kocis as represented by Ix Nieves/Kocis, while all of the artes on TotR - Kocis: Artes are used by Kocis alone. If you didn't understand that, then you shouldn't be working on those pages. Lanate (talk) 04:34, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

No, that's all I needed. —NDS123 (talk) 9:12, November 4 2020 (UTC)

What say you?

I already posted a question on Kaimi's talk page about the Mystic Arte translations, but I feel it should concern you too. —NDS123 (talk) 9:15, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't have certain characters, but I still want to put up their arte screenshots

Which source should I use, Facebook or Twitter? —NDS123 (talk) 5:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Either is fine as both are official sources. Lanate (talk) 01:56, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Where do I go for Mystic Artes? Because they don't show them in there. —NDS123 (talk) 6:39, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

If it's not available via the official sources, then you can't get an image. Lanate (talk) 03:29, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Can you translate these please?

Houga Shunreijin, Hoshokukeitai Ichishiki, Hoshokukeitai Alter Raven, Shin Yoroidooshi, —NDS123 (talk) 5:03, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Crap, I forgot about Zankuu ShoukenbuNDS123 (talk) 8:07, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

And Shin no Tri-Edge. Sorry about that. —NDS123 (talk) 7:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Character's weapons

I've looked around the Tales of the Rays Wiki and found arte pages matching character's weapons (Kocis + All characters from Tales of Link). For example, Sara is shown wielding the "Glimmerwind". According to said wiki, Kocis' weapon is called the "Silvia Shiv" (I looked at both the Awakened portrait and the weapon image and found a match). Adding to what you told me about Milla's Balanced Blade / Fair Sword, can the same be said with these weapons? On top of that, can they even swap weapons in the mobile games? I can rephrase that if you need me to. —NDS123 (talk) 9:14, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

The weapon section on character infoboxes aren't meant to be the specific weapons they use but rather the types of weapons they use. Lanate (talk) 19:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Lemme recap our deleting cropped copy cut-ins for a second.

Origin over quality? —NDS123 (talk) 11:42, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

I was going over with because most of the Crestoria ones are suspect in terms of acceptable use. Lanate (talk) 21:27, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, this just came outta nowhere...

【スレイヤーズ × テイルズ オブ ザ レイズ】コラボPVNDS123 (talk) 8:27, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

There's something I want to post on the discussions page

It's about the new Tales of the Rays crossovers. I want to hear other people's opinion on the matter, but I don't know if it meets all the requirements. Rule #3 says "Off-topic conversations will be deleted." And since it's literally talking about other franchises, I don't know how "Off-topic" it's gonna be. —NDS123 (talk) 5:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Can you translate these too please?

Satsugeki Bukkorogasuken, Kokuyoku Ressensou, Striking Viper. —NDS123 (talk) 11:40, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Mirrage Arte quotes

Aren't you gonna ask where I got them? —NDS123 (talk) 10:21, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I can read comments? Lanate (talk) 14:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Character table of contents

I can't see the other characters like this.

Luke (tvtropes).png Tear (tvtropes).png Jade (tvtropes).png Anise (tvtropes).png Guy (tvtropes).png Natalia (tvtropes).png Ion (tvtropes).png
fon Fabre
Natalia L.K.

Can we try this instead?

Luke (tvtropes).png Tear (tvtropes).png Jade (tvtropes).png Anise (tvtropes).png Guy (tvtropes).png Natalia (tvtropes).png
fon Fabre
Natalia L.K.
Ion (tvtropes).png

NDS123 (talk) 6:00, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Can I ask what doesn't fit and would this work better?
Lanate (talk) 05:12, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  1. What doesn't fit in with the first one? Well, I don't know what kind of computer you use, so I don't know if this screenshot answers your question.
  2. Would yours work better? Maybe. It certainly shows them all, but I think we need input from Kaimi and Mayu. —NDS123 (talk) 9:56, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

I remember Arosia calling the <gallery> system garbage. —NDS123 (talk) 6:49, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Image uploading moratorium

I've got absolutely NO right to mention this at this point, but I've been talking with Ayleria recently, and we believe you should be involved with the conversation. —NDS123 (talk) 5:44, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Artwork organization

When it comes to character artwork organization, I have trouble with following a consistent order/pattern because

  1. Compared to each other, the artwork for the articles seem scrambled (the only example I can think of is Luke fon Fabre and Velvet Crowe).
  2. If I try to "reorganize" it, especially if I move the Chibi's in "Trivia", like with most Berseria characters, it comes with a risk of me getting hit by everyone else for undoing their hard work. I know I've taken that risk before, and will do so again in the future, but even I know I can't touch everything (that being pages like Cress Albane's...)

The reason I ask is that this is an encyclopedic wiki, and I know you're not a big fan of the galleries, so I thought I'd make them as miniscule as possible, but don't know what art order/pattern should be followed. The only REAL patterns I can come up with is "If there's a section in "Other Appearances" that doesn't have anything on it, put the designated cut-in there, as long as it doesn't add anymore vacant space." The same can be said for adding cut-ins to "Fighting Style". I know this sounds complicated, and I could explain it better, if you want. What kind of order/pattern should I try? —NDS123 (talk) 12:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Honestly, there is no real pattern, and I don't think there really needs to be. As long as the end result doesn't have too many pictures scattered throughout the text, it's fine. Lanate (talk) 21:47, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Majinken Bakuga

What's that about? —NDS123 (talk) 7:18, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

More translations please?

Shikou Dousouha, Fuujinsougai, Suijinshourai. —NDS123 (talk) 9:33, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

I completely forgot to mention that I noticed the final part of the quote in Shikou Dousouha is a direct reference to this line. I just don't know how to translate the rest right. —NDS123 (talk) 7:37 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Shining Bin image

Should I add the part where he spreads the wings, or the part where he falls onto the enemy? —NDS123 (talk) 3:54 8 December 2020 (UTC)

The part where he falls onto the enemy is more representative of the parody nature of the arte. Lanate (talk) 01:56, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

...I made a typo... —NDS123 (talk) 6:14 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Shinten Rekkuu Zankou Senpuu Messai Shinbatsu Kassatsugeki (TotR) image

Which part should I screenshot in this video? —NDS123 (talk) 5:57 10 December 2020 (UTC)

As a long, multi-part arte there is no really good shot. If you can, a shot with the whole name on screen and the pillar of light at the end still visibly expanding is probably good. Lanate (talk) 02:33, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I've got one more needing translation, please?

Soaring Hollyhock Kick

Also, can you help me with this? I've made up my mind.

NDS123 (talk) 11:20 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Tales of Vesperia character images

I noticed that some of the characters are missing images. I already have the game myself and am taking screenshots. I also noticed that Arosia's images are different, cropped up to the faces. In which method do you prefer I display them. —NDS123 (talk) 3:56 22 December 2020 (UTC)

As long as they're centered and of good quality. I personally prefer full-body shots whenever possible. Lanate (talk) 23:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Three-step Murder (ToCrestoria) screenshot(s)

Honestly, I'm not really happy with how the current screenshot turned out, and I wanna start over from scratch. —NDS123 (talk) 10:09 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Got 7 more missing translations (so sorry....)

Whirlwind (Haseo), Sparrow Counter, Shunrai Shissouha, Gouka Bakuenzan, Rock Explosion, Goodwill Mission, Hisatsu Mineuchi. —NDS123 (talk) 9:54 pm 9 January 2021 (UTC)

"No, we leave red links so that we don't have to reinsert"

Uh... that's not red anymore. Rena is literally redirected to Rena Lanford. And according to Kaimi, that redirect is staying there until we get more info. Or did I miss something? —NDS123 (talk) 10:25 pm 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad. Same concept though. Lanate (talk) 06:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

BTW, I noticed you haven't made a move on the pages needing translating.

  1. Is it ticking you off? Because Divine Wrath (Star Ocean) is added to the list.
  2. Also, did I at least get Plasma Blade (Haseo) right?
  3. Speaking of Haseo, why does 虎乱襲 on his arte list say "Ravaging Tiger" and not "Tiger Blitz"? Aren't they different kanji's? —NDS123 (talk) 5:20 pm 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes. Translations aren't necessary and being updated every time has you treating me like a bot or a slave. It's demeaning.
Don't do them if you aren't confident in them.
The Sword Emperor costume from Tales of Phantasia: Narikiri Dungeon X uses the same spelling as Haseo's and makes it an internal spelling difference. Lanate (talk) 03:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  1. Alright. I'll stop.
  2. Guess I'll have to figure it out myself.
  3. The article says it's unlocalized. Is it that the arte is executed similarly to Ravaging Tiger? Because I don't know if I can find that out myself. —NDS123 (talk) 7:53 pm 16 January 2021 (UTC)

How does localization work?

Is it literally the second time it's displayed? Like with Rolling Thunder and Fall from Grace/Shining Fang Drop? —NDS123 (talk) 10:24 pm 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm gonna regret this...

I've got some unanswered questions that have been eating at me for awhile.

  1. I asked this one before because I was caught off guard by Rolling Thunder and Rolling Thunder (sword). Does the localization of artes on this wiki relate to the ratio of times the name is used?
  2. When I mentioned live events, you said something about putting them under "Other", and (unless I'm mistaken) I don't know what that's supposed to mean. "Other" as in titles "==Other=="?
  3. ToP:NDX - Blade Costumes: Artes
    1. When I mentioned how 虎乱襲 isn't "Tiger Blitz", you said that the Sword Emperor costume uses the same spelling and makes it an internal spelling difference. As the arte was not localized, I wondered if you meant it was because the arte was executed similarly. So I looked around for more details to see for myself, but I couldn't find anything, so I'm left with asking if you know where to look.
    2. Did I update Tenku Jousoujin right?

NDS123 (talk) 12:41 pm 27 January 2021 (UTC)

I am unable to properly respond and will get back to you as soon as I can. Lanate (talk) 04:31, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
  1. It is based on most common usage. In the situation of a tie, the wiki favors the current page name to minimize the number of necessary moves.
  2. Yes.
  3. Web videos and the like. 蹴/襲 has precedent for being a common spelling difference in the Tales series, so it's safe to assume unless otherwise proved.
  4. Close, just missing some of the Narikiri Dungeon X information. Lanate (talk) 18:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I know I'm just reopening old wounds with this next batch of questions, but trust me: I'm not the same guy when we last talked about this.

This is gonna get convoluted, and involves so many links, so if you're getting overwhelmed with reading this, just take it slow. I can wait for you to answer.

Tales of Crestoria status images

Okay. I did some research and found out that these are indeed the status images. Earlier (here), I asked Ayleria if uploading them would be taking it too far, and she said it's all up to you. I can compensate by expanding the characters' pages if you want.

Tales of Zestiria Cut-ins

Using the sources Kaimi and Arosia used, I tracked the other cut-ins that were not uploaded to the wiki, which frankly gave me even more questions to begin with.

  1. Why weren't the others uploaded?
    • Minor detail: In Kaimi's source, Edna has a second cut-in without the Phoenix doll, which, I believe, is what replaces the original after you fight Phoenix. And I guess it makes sense; I know this is an actual addition (or, in this case, "subtraction"), not "more arm", but still, it's too minor to be included. However, I don't know what to do with the one with Zaveid wearing Dezel's hat. Is that addition still too minor? On a similar matter, Arosia's source had way more visual on the cut-ins of Maltran, Sophie and Jade, but are they also too minor to replace the current ones, even though they're from the same game?
    • "Too little space": Some time ago (probably before the message board was swapped with talk pages), I remember something about not adding every page to keep from overloading the wiki, or something like that. Is that why?
  2. Can I upload them myself? (I know that's asking for too much)
    • Terms of use: Back when you deleted most of the Crestoria cut-ins, I asked if you were going for origin over quality, and you said they were suspect in terms of acceptable use because they were basically duplicated files. Is there a way for me to avoid that with these? Because I also have the armatus cut-ins, and three of them (Sorey's water, fire, and Rose's wind) are already on here. If so...
    • Armatus cut-in title: Should I do Sorey Cut-in (ToZ) Fire Armatus or Sorey Cut-in (ToZ) Flamberge? Because I also found both cut-ins for Ultima Elementia, and I know that means I'll have to do Sorey Cut-in (ToZ) Ultima Elementia.

NDS123 (talk) 12:56 pm 29 January 2021 (UTC)

We aren't an exhaustive repository of images. There is simply no need to have every single cut-in from every single game. That's the driving force behind it all. Once or a couple is tasteful and representative, any more is annoying. I'd rather to have a couple at max per character. So basically, if your intent is to add more cut-ins or status images to characters, I'd back off entirely unless that page has no cut-ins period. Lanate (talk) 04:41, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
  1. Even with the Tales of Crestoria status images?
  2. Can I at least "expand" on Maltran, Sophie and Jade's? —NDS123 (talk) 9:09 pm 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Just a comment from the peanut gallery. It might be more efficient to extend the problem user's page creation limit to include image uploads, and perhaps apply them retroactively as well. The problem user had already produced more than 500 uploaded images since November 1, which is after the probation period was first enacted sometime in October when the bloggy chat system was still in place. A retroactive limitation should mean no new uploads or page creations from that user for the next 166+ days, which would probably be a good enough buffer to go through and delete any of those pointless uploads that only serve to bloat the image count on various articles, before the uploads from that user resume at a throttled rate 5 months from now. I feel that the 3 page creation limit per day is also far too generous, since the problem user treats it more like a quota than a deterrent.
I do have other complaints, but current management seems to interpret my commentary as hostility toward the management itself, whereas the problem user always tries to deflect personal responsibility by claiming to be "an idiot" while continuing to replicate that incompetence without remorse or self-reflection. That's why I am not talking to that individual to ennumerate grievances. Sure, I maintain thinly veiled contempt directed toward problem users and their enablers. But a lot of problems could have been mitigated -very- early on through more direct punitive action.
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 09:06, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
  1. So you left that bit in Plasma Blade (Haseo) on purpose.
  2. For the record, I'm not proud of ALL of them. There's a handfull of images I want to delete, but I can't. —NDS123 (talk) 10:46 am 31 January 2021 (UTC)

ToCrestoria status images

Have you decided on what to do with the status images yet? —NDS123 (talk) 6:06 am 3 Febuary 2021 (UTC)

I thought I already clarified that they were unnecessary. We don't need them for all the games, and we don't need multiple ones from the same game. Lanate (talk) 01:40, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough. Hey, BTW, Kaimi's source also led me to the Xillia 2 cut-ins, including Rideaux Zek Rugievit's, but they were literally in bits and pieces when I downloaded them. And I have no idea how to put them back together. —NDS123 (talk) 8:10 pm 4 Febuary 2021 (UTC)

TotR - Rena Lanford: Artes

I made sure to check;

NDS123 (talk) 11:25 pm, 11 Febuary 2021 (UTC)

There's plenty more to go.

And, uh... this too. NDS123 (talk) 07:08, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Cut-ins discussion recap

  • Reuploading
The only excuse I have for the Berseria ones is since we have new technology, I just wanted to get ahead of times. I figured they were easier, since I used the same source. I know I can't use that same excuse for the Lambda-Richard one. Right after that, you put up a restriction, saying there was no need to reupload cut-ins that already were already at good enough quality. Did that include the black ones, because I noticed there were some things obscured by the black background. There were strands of Kohaku's hair seemingly floating off of her head, while Frederic's arm almost invisible, minus the white glove, and I could barely see the front end of Fourier's shotstaff. But if you believe that's okay, then fine, I'll accept your decision.
  • Duplicate deletion

When we discussed the duplicate cut-ins, you said they were gonna be deleted at some point. Searching around, I also noticed the following:

Some of the cut-ins from both Rays and Crestoria actually originate from Radiant Mythology 3, as seen here.
Jude's cut-in actually originates from his game of origin.
The same can be said of Repede (Lightning Flash), Karol (Mega Flashbang Ultra X Bomber), and Rita (Indignation).

By technicality, are they getting deleted too, or will they stay there at least until the ORIGINAL cut-ins are found and uploaded?

  • Duplicate combination

I may have mentioned this before, but once, I came up with the idea of combining the duplicates. For example:
Leia Rolando


Milla Maxwell


If we had the right application, we could take these images and combine them all. And if it gets to a certain point, we can say that they use the same cut-in in those games as well. I know this idea is inevitably gonna get shot down for how completely unnecessary it is, but I would like to at least bring it up.

NDS123 (talk) 05:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Ultimately, I'd rather not have the effort expended for minimal, unnecessary gain, which is the answer to all of your statements. Lanate (talk) 00:02, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

So in other words, Jude's ToX cut-in is stuck as the TotR one? NDS123 (talk) 00:58, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


Does this technically count as a unit image? If so, that confirms at least one of my suspicions.

NDS123 (talk) 21:47, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that's a unit image. Lanate (talk) 23:14, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

So... theoretically speaking, if this were uploaded instead... that's it? It can't be changed? It's staying that way forever? NDS123 (talk) 23:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, because it's an incredible minor change. Please stop harassing me. Lanate (talk) 23:57, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

I screwed up...

I thought that new image restriction was for cut-ins only. I'm sorry. Now I know what you meant. NDS123 (talk) 03:55, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Double Slash, NOT Souhazan

I did some digging and found out Double Slash (localized in the Tales series) has two variants; 2段斬り used by Ayncia as seen here, and 二回切り used by the Odin enemy, as seen here. I don't own Zestiria, but I have a feeling that's where it comes from, unless I'm wrong and this is a Crestoria original. As for Ayncia's, I never got to play Link so I can only speculate how it's executed, which frankly isn't allowed when describing artes. Am I gonna add both of them? Most likely, but I don't think that's gonna happen for a long time. For now, I think my question is "What should I do when that time comes?"

NDS123 (talk) 05:31, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
They'd go on separate pages. We have precedent for different artes with the same localization. Lanate (talk) 17:50, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Just to be clear, "二回切り" came out first, right?

NDS123 (talk) 18:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Do you research first before talking to me. We don't create pages for artes for generic enemies. 二回切り originated in Crestoria, at least when used by Odin. Link came out before Zestiria. So much is wrong with your premises that we shouldn't even be having this conversation. Lanate (talk) 20:03, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Exos Heroes Collaboration

I downloaded the game and made sure to check this time. All 3 characters use their traditional burst artes and mystic artes. I honestly don't know if I should mention this, but while playing, I discovered a passive skill called "First Aid" that occasionally activates when a character is at low health. Looking it up, I found out that Estelle has a passive skill called "First Aid 3". Knowing that it isn't fully direct, I can understand why it's not going up there.

NDS123 (talk) 18:24, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Need Fashion Help

Listen, it's been a while since I last came here and I want your opinion on something. Any idea why the Tales of Xillia Fashion page got split in two? I managed to make a page for it last night and the next day I check it got separated...was it something I did or is it more complicated?

XZone (talk)

Kaimi suggested we split them into a character-by-character basis, such as here: ToX - Jude Mathis: Appearance. Additionally, this page is formatted a little closer to how we typically do list pages. Can you discuss with them on the talk page for that article? Lanate (talk) 00:37, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Gamepedia merger with Fandom

I don't know if you are aware of this, but the Gamepedia wikifarm has been bought out and merged into the Fandom network recently. A lot of those wiki sites were former refugees from Wikia after the new skin change was made permanently default, as I'm sure you might recall. I am only bringing this up because I am curious about how Wikia/Fandom will handle the skin choice of those Gamepedia wiki sites once they are fully migrated into the domain, a process which is currently ongoing. I hold out some degree of hope that the default Gamepedia skin (which resembles a more modernized Monobook) would remain available to their sites, and perhaps other non-Gamepedia sites like Aselia could obtain access to that skin by some means. I am just bringing this idea to your attention, in case you might want to look into it sometime in the near future. This wiki has been stuck with Oasis (and its bugs and UI failures) for several years now, and it could be a good opportunity for an image revamp if you're up for it.

Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 02:56, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

I am looking forward to trying a different skin, but given Fandom's past I don't have much hope. Lanate (talk) 20:19, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Burst Artes dispute (plus something else)

I have to admit, the moment the Burst Artes were changing, I knew the both of you would notice, but I didn't expect Kaimi to retaliate like this. Now I can't post the remaining images. And no, I'm not gonna let anyone else post them for me until this is settled. There are also other images I wanna mention, but I'm afraid if I do that as things are now, I'd accidentally force this dispute into an all-out war. Hell, I risk it just by saying that! There's also something else I noticed; at the end of the Appearances, Kaimi prefers the space while you don't. A minor detail, but considering what's going on, I just want everything worked out ASAP.

If anyone asks, I mostly support your opinion, at least with the descriptions and quotes (exclusively for the burst artes), because let's face it, we only see them again in Tales of Link, a game that didn't give arte descriptions. Unless they gave out different quotes from the original, that'd be a different story, but for now, I'm sticking with you. When it comes to the images, looking at each of the three versions gave me an idea.

[[File:Divine Wolf - Blaze (ToV).jpeg|200px|thumb|'''Divine Wolf - Blaze''' as it appears in ''Tales of Vesperia''.]]

  • Fire: {{nihongo|'''Divine Wolf - Blaze'''|天狼滅牙・飛炎|Tenroumetsuga Hien|"Heaven Wolf Destroy Fang Scatter Flame"}} alters the end of the arte to be a flaming, rising slash. The second level adds an additional rising slash, while the third releases a bolt of flame that spikes the enemy back to the ground.

[[File:Divine Wolf - Crush (ToV).jpeg|200px|thumb|'''Divine Wolf - Crush''' as it appears in ''Tales of Vesperia''.]]

  • Earth: {{nihongo|'''Divine Wolf - Crush'''|天狼滅牙・砕覇|Tenroumetsuga Saiha|"Heaven Wolf Destroy Fang Break Supremacy"}} alters the end of the slashes to have Yuri punch the ground. He then performs a flip that releases jagged spikes of earth, whose size and number increases with the level of the user's Over Limit.

[[File:Divine Wolf - Storm (ToV).jpg|200px|thumb|Divine Wolf - Storm as it appears in ''Tales of Vesperia''.]]

  • Wind: {{nihongo|'''Divine Wolf - Storm'''|天狼滅牙・風迅|Tenroumetsuga Fuujin|"Heaven Wolf Destroy Fang Wind Swift"}} alters the end of the slashes to be a blast of wind, whose size and piercing power increase with Over Limit level.

[[File:Divine Wolf - Flood (ToV).jpeg|200px|thumb|'''Divine Wolf - Flood''' as it appears in ''Tales of Vesperia''.]]

  • Water: {{nihongo|'''Divine Wolf - Flood'''|天狼滅牙・水蓮|Tenroumetsuga Suiren|"Heaven Wolf Destroy Fang Water Lotus"}} alters the arte entirely. Yuri punches the ground to prepare a circle of water. He then thrusts his weapon into the earth, forcing upward a liquid geyser. The area of effect the attack covers increases with Over Limit level.

When I looked at the preview, the images were a little too big, so I won't be surprised if this gets turned down, but if not, we could find a way to make it work. But honestly, I just want to do the images and get it over with.

(Speaking of images, while it is true that there are some images that I'm not very proud of, I think I understand why you put that overwrite restriction. If it's alright with you, I'll make sure to remind myself to only reupload my own images from now on, because I'm mostly not proud of what I originally uploaded, and the True Stahn image comes out on top. No, I'm not mad at Ayleria for being too slow, I'm mad at myself for going too fast. If only I had just been patient, then it wouldn't be a problem for me.)

But at the end of the day, know that I've got your back on this dispute.

NDS123 (talk) 01:58, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

ToZ titles

Hey, may I request some input and help? I'm working on title lists for Zestiria and this is the best I have come up with at the moment. I don't prefer not to make it a single table because that could confuse readers due to evolving nature of titles in this game which in most cases come in three ranks. Also, I'm not sure if "Arte points" are tied to whole title groups (like Sorey's "Harrier" titles), ranks (bronze, silver, and gold), or each proficiency rank (from 1 to 20).—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 23:12, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I think I prefer the first version as a little cleaner. I also took a look, and it appears that the arte points are tied to whole title groups (e.g. all of Harrier titles have the same Arte points value). Lanate (talk) 18:26, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Okay, so it will be the first version then, thanks. Oh, title groups share same arte points? That's good. But can you direct me to a site where I can find these values? I've searched a bit but alas it had not yield me any results. Or perhaps you have a guide or a strategy book with those values listed? Either way it would be amazing to have those values, because we've been in the dark about them for far too long IMO.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
I have a JP strategy guide with the values; if you make the pages, I can fill them in afterward. Lanate (talk) 19:50, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Okay. Works for me.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Tales of Link enemy artes

How would you feel about documenting the enemy artes used in Tales of Link? I'd like to come up with a good reason with why we should, but due to how it wasn't done before, I feel backed in a corner.

NDS123 (talk) 20:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
No, the game's too old, and it's not as well documented. Lanate (talk) 01:07, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Alright.... I'll let it go after this question: Is it the same case with Petrifying Mallice?

NDS123 (talk) 01:19, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Back when I did the research, the lines didn't match to the Japanese attack. Lanate (talk) 01:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

There are two things that I MAY need some clarity on.

  • Asteria Mystic Artes; I found out that Asteria has a bunch of original mystic artes (here), but I get the feeling I can't include ANY of them on this wiki due to the characters executing them not being detailed enough (such as Sorey and Velvet's), even though a few of them seem a little more detailed themselves (such as Ruca and Spada's).
  • Cutscene screenshots; As much as I'd like to screenshot Sorey and Heldalf using Lion's Howl at the end of Zestiria (I have the game), I have a feeling I CAN'T because it's technically used in a cutscene.
NDS123 (talk) 18:06, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Given the lack of information that your arte pages have, I would not be particularly inclined to have you spam even more pages.
Cutscene sceenshots are typically fine, but I also generally don't trust you to judiciously handle images, given how much you already spam them unnecessarily. Lanate (talk) 01:40, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

I guess that means I need to fix things before taking those leaps. (Detailing the pages and taking out some images)

NDS123 (talk) 04:58, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

New skin incoming

So Fandom is intending to launch a new default skin soon and I had a "note" at the top that said I could start using it as part of testing or something and decided to do so.

Image 1

As you can see there's no side scroll and no borders with the new skin.

Image 2

Here you can see that it is possible to hide the side bar, but that function is only available to registered users. Since we generally favor desktop and probably unregistered users, it appears we should stop widening our tables.

At this point we should probably start considering going into vertical, like I show here.

Of course with this new skin we should update our tables, because without borders and too wide they'll be simply inaccessible to anyone.

Image 3

It also appears that we will need to shift our infoboxes to that Fandom-wide "metatemplate" or whatever it's called because the way it is now articles using our table-style infobox have huge white space on the left on the entire vertical length of the infobox.

Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 20:12, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I generally dislike the vertical tables, though if we're being forced to them, I'd rather lodge a complaint first before trying to mitigate. Lanate (talk) 01:44, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
Lodging a complaint first seems like a good idea, though I don't really know where exactly we'd need to put it.—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 21:56, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Tales of Marathon Stream 3 Invite

Hi Lanate,

I apologize if this isn't the proper channel to communicate this, but I couldn't find another way to reach out to you.

I was wondering if you (+ anyone in your staffing team) would be interested in joining in as a co-commentary guest for the Tales of Marathon Stream event that I'm hosting prior to the release of Tales of Arise?

The Tales of Marathon Stream 3 takes place on August 31st - September 8th, 2021 and is a followup from the events that I held in 2013 & 2014 for Tales of Xillia & Xillia 2's localizations respectively. I play through three games which were determined by audience polls at the start of this year (Vesperia, Eternia & Berseria) over the course of nine days, guest commentators from throughout the community are invited to share their input about the series, and a giveaway is held during the event as well. You can check out the homepage here for more details:

If you'd like to respond privately, feel free to reply back at:

Thank you for your consideration~ o/

PanbanRichard (talk) 19:03, June 4th, 2021 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the consideration! I'm a generally shy person who doesn't talk well, so I'll respectfully decline. I hope that the stream goes well for you though! Lanate (talk) 02:08, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
No problem at all! Thanks for taking the time to respond~ PanbanRichard (talk) 16:03, June 5th, 2021 (UTC)

Image and category relocation

Would you be able to move Images and categories with "ToA" in their name to "ToAsteria" to make place for "ToA" for Arise before said game releases? I can fix stray Arise images' names and whatnot if they happen.—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 22:25, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Leaving my position with Fandom

Hi there,
You and I have been in contact on occasion about wiki-related matters since I started as the Wiki Representative for your community, so I wanted to give you a heads up that I will be leaving my position with Fandom at the end of next week. After next Friday (June 25th), I will not be your contact-person for wiki-related matters anymore, and after that point, it is unlikely you will see activity from me on your wiki. It is possible that your wiki will receive a different Wiki Representative to support you going forward. However, if some time passes after I am gone and the Special:Community page on your wiki isn’t updated to show a new wiki representative, then you will have to send any future requests/inquiries to either the Fandom/Gamepedia Discord server or submit a request via Zendesk for things that you may have previously sent to me. If your wiki doesn’t end up automatically getting a new WR and you believe you need one, you can see if Fandom will be able to assign you a replacement wiki representative by submitting a Zendesk ticket.

Collaborating with your community has been a pleasure, and if we happen to not chat again within the next week and a half, I wish you the best of luck with your wiki! 🙂

(Keep in mind: you’re welcome to continue contacting me about wiki-related matters until June 25th. I’m still your wiki representative until then).
- Sitb 18:25, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

The anime cast(s)

A few months back, I looked through the credits of Tales of Vesperia: The First Strike (mostly following the order of the Japanese cast, then adding the English voices). Then, I did the same with nearly every episode of the first season of Tales of Zestiria the X. Was it stupid to label the episodes in which the “additional voices” popped up in the credits of the latter?

NDS123 (talk) 19:16, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Our current site logo looks, quite frankly, rather old and busy (there are three images in there in addition to text). I started working on a replacement which you can see here (link). I think the font is okay (it's Kurale), but I need to work on colors and overall look of text, and for the image I went with an animmation element of Indignation from ToP on SNES. I think I'm going a correct way, but TBH I'm not exactly sold with Indignation's lightning bolt on the site banner, even though it's probably the most recognizable spell in the series. Do you have any input to offer what could be changed, added, removed, etc.? A bit of redesign might be a good idea with how Arise might result in (at least temporary) increased activity once it releases and having good visual presentation would be a plus, I think.—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 19:09, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not much for visual design, but maybe you could incorporate parts of File:Tales Logo.png? Lanate (talk) 05:30, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Red links

It appears that the new skin currently displays red links (articles that don't exist) as blue links (articles that exist). Is it an issue that applies Fandom-wise or is it Aselia-only thing? (Also I think you're long overdue for some archiving of this talk page); it's frustratingly long TBH.)—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 12:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

I went ahead and tested that theory on the other wikis. And from what I've seen, it seems like it's only affecting this wiki.

NDS123 (talk) 00:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
It's not showing up like that for me; when logged out, redlinks just appear as no links. Lanate (talk) 00:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Renaming Fulein K. Lester

I looked and noticed that Fulein's name is spelled out as "Frayne". Think we should rename it to that?

NDS123 (talk) 00:01, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Rename requests clarification

I've been trying to avoid this question for a long time (due to the response I expect to get hit with on my own shortages), but are rename requests restricted to just MY OWN uploads? Only reason I'm asking is because most of the Innocence arte images and the Item nazo Tsukatten ja nee! (ToD PS2) image have localized names (and I know neither Innocence game nor the PS2 variant of Destiny is localized), and some of the Vesperia images related to Flynn's artes don't have their official localized names. Since the MoS doesn't say anything about updates, and how it hasn't been done yet, I'm a bit confused in thinking that kind of thing is a requirement. (Especially the "Ruin Bringer" image.)

NDS123 (talk) 02:30, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
They are restricted in general for you. Lanate (talk) 01:11, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Meaning I can't ask if someone else's upload should get a rename?

NDS123 (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Dark Theme is broken on the main page

The main page is unreadable if the Dark Theme is used.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention; a lot of our pages are unfortunately not optimized to deal Dark Theme. Lanate (talk) 15:34, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Tales of Asteria: Master of Elements, Act 15

When I played these sections, I noticed that Artorius and Innominat apparently play various artes used by different members of the Abbey, as if they were fighting alongside them. Such as "Teresa's Northern Light", "Demi-Melchior's Absolute Prison", and "Eleanor's Aerial Strash". (here's the evidence) How should we put these into consideration?

NDS123 (talk) 17:33, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Covered on the original page as an alternate name, in a way such as "In Tales of Asteria, <enemy> can call <user> to use this arte under the name <full arte name>." Lanate (talk) 02:18, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I completely forgot to mention that I've also noticed that they're played similarly to enemy mystic artes (evidence). AND I caught Zaveid using Fraud as a mystic arte as well. (evidence) Should we add that, or leave it as is?

NDS123 (talk) 02:39, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
I would rather not state that, to be honest. Lanate (talk) 02:48, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Should we add the story of Tales of Arise to its characters' pages? And their respective personalities?

I think we should. Shinjutsuke (talk) 14:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it can be added. Lanate (talk) 02:06, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

DLC Artes

Apparently, the skin packs for Tales of Arise come with their own "DLC Artes". Each character gets their own additional arte for the costume they receive (3 artes per character). Sometimes the arte is based on one from a previous title (such as Alphen's Orochi's Galeforce Fury). I tried putting Law's in, only for them to be taken off, and the arteset blocked. What do you think we should do with them? Should we put them up, or not?

NDS123 (talk) 00:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
They were taken out because they weren't placed properly and were formatted badly. They need to be inserted properly, as "DLC Arte" is not its own category; it should instead be listed in its requirements. Lanate (talk) 01:24, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Undocumented Rebirth characters

I'm sure you noticed on your own, but I've mentioned the characters that were mention in the Rebirth credits, that have NOT been documented on the template. I made sure to mention the voice actors in the history box whenever I added them. I know I'm not good at the whole Japanese shtick, so I thought you could help me with that. Please tell me if any of these "English" names are wrong.

Yozza (ヨッツア?), Tomitchi (トミッチ?), Doval (ドバル?), Jiber (ジベール?) Hack (ハック?), and Ox (オックス?).

NDS123 (talk) 18:15, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Are you sure about that?

Are you saying I should put some kind of web address so you could know where images are from? I don't know, doing something like that would make me feel like I am doing the wrong thing against this fandom.

If you're taking them from a source that cannot be credited, then I'd rather not use the image. Lanate (talk) 02:56, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Tales of Asteria Rips, this is the site I got it from. Does that make me feel or look like I am doing something wrong or against this site? Sonic2479 (talk) 11:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

You're doing the ripper wrong by not obtaining permission. Please obtain permission from the person who went through the work in order to upload them. Lanate (talk) 23:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

ToLuminaria arte table templates

Could you help me with arte templates for Luminaria? I can't seem to be able to display data for mystic artes and am not sure what is it that I need to write to change that. Thanks in advance.—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 14:34, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Done! Lanate (talk) 17:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Tickets banners in ToC

Should we add the Ticket banners in the acquisition methods of most units or it is not necessary to add them? Manikin27 (talk) 20:37, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

They can be added; sorry for the late reply. Lanate (talk) 05:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Tell me what you think about the "Slash" redirects.

I had issues with this "Slash" redirect, because it was originally redirected to Repede's Slash!!. We also have Adecor's Slash and Shigure's Slash. Between the two "Slash"es, and since the only localization Repede's "Slash" had included two "!"'s, I figured moving the redirect to Sigure's instead.

What do you think?

(Apologies in advance for moving the redirect)

NDS123 (talk) 03:21, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
I think it was understandable both ways, given a specific punctuation is a valid reason for a redirect. Lanate (talk) 05:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

So, no, Shigure's Slash is not gonna be moved to Slash? (Excuse me for being REAL slow to catch on).

NDS123 (talk) 05:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Adding beta stones into Tales of Crestoria's main data

I noticed that Marta has a unreleased stone in the main data that can be found here. I did edit it because while editing everybody's data in ToCrestoria, I noticed that the Memoria Skill Resist Sleep III (Light) is indeed in the Memoria Skill list. Should I also add the beta stones and their effects into the main data? Manikin27 (talk) 20:04, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Actually we do have a list of Memoria Stones that have appeared in beta and all beta data is listed on pages with the following naming format: "ToCrestoria (Beta) - <Character Name>: Units". Also in my opinion, if a Memoria Skill not available in the proper release of Crestoria and only in its beta is listed on "ToCrestoria - Memoria Skills" should be delisted. There were many Memoria Skills in plans as evidenced by option in Filter settings but we don't actually list them because they did not make into the game in any useable form.—Kaimi (talk) ∙ 21:12, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
That means the "ToCrestoria - Marta Lualdi: Units" will be deleted alongside the Resist Sleep III (Light) in "ToCrestoria - Memoria Skills" then? Manikin27 (talk) 00:09, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Yes, because we try to only do officially released content when possible, since anything unreleased can technically be changed before release. Lanate (talk) 03:39, 26 December 2021 (UTC)