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Welcome

Hi, welcome to Aselia Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Medissa page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! Lanate (talk) 23:46, February 12, 2019 (UTC)

Probation

Please don't make me extend your probation to pages in general. You're still not learning what good contributions are. Someone has to clean up after you each time. A lot of your story page edits are juvenile and lack an encyclopediac tone or otherwise miss information. Take a look every time someone cleans up after you and try to learn why they made the changes they did so that the same issues don't keep cropping up again and again. Lanate (talk) 03:18, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Characters in Crestoria

For "legacy" characters appearing in Crestoria, like Cress, Milla, and Velvet, please refrain from making detailed descriptions of what each character does in the world of Crestoria. The number of mobile games keep increasing and with it data, yet some long time character articles have absolutely no "History" section for their game or its horrendously long and must be cut down because it is simply too long and too detailed, but for their "Other Appearances" it starts to get needlessly super long. Please limit descriptions to few sentences for Crestoria (and any other "other appearances" for that matter), even when it comes to characters' appearances in side stories, limited quests, and what not. I will soon start to trim characters' Crestoria section to include only the most crucial information. If you wish to preserve detailed descriptions for each character, then please copy those somewhere to your userspace; that way it's still visible to those interested in details but it doesn't needlessly bulk articles.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 17:01, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

This is gonna feel different from doing the arte articles... —NDS123 (talk) 9:17, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Would making subpages better handle this, such as making a "Cress Albane/Tales of Crestoria"? That way, their role in non-origin games can still be fully fleshed out while still not overwhelming their main coverage? Lanate (talk) 17:42, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
That's... actually not a bad idea. —NDS123 (talk) 9:44, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm also not opposed to subpages for such things, but would they still need to follow character guidelines, like an infobox and short introduction? Appearance-wise the descriptions can be omitted, but the Personality part would still be needed as it's a new setting for those characters. However one question remains: what will Arosia and Mayu think of it?—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 19:39, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Lemme see if I can ask them. —NDS123 (talk) 11:44, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Spacing because it's hard for me to read who wrote what. This mobile garbage is becoming an issue for "legacy" characters, and if you want my opinion, I would opt for limiting their involvement in the game to a mere paragraph or two, unless there's enough storyline to warrant more. From what I've seen, it's mostly just regurgitated references to their original games that serves more to insult the characters than actually provide anything meaningful. Then again, I consider cameos more as imitations in newer titles; dumb, vapid references and nothing more. I disagree with the idea of subpages for this sort of thing, but I'm likely outnumbered. The Winxfan 2.0 writing is a chore to read and shouldn't be encouraged, especially for what is disgustingly being passed off as games these days. It's trite at this point, and I feel no need to throw support behind it. My opinion is to keep it as limited as possible on legacy character pages, leaving the rest of the nonsense for the "original" characters from those games.

Arosia (talk) 20:07, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

First, let me say that my opinion more or less equates to what Arosia is saying, but ultimately I don't actually care. You can count me as a non-vote if you wish. You guys already created subpages for galleries even though category pages suit that purpose just fine. Why not have another set of additional subpages. In fact, I am actually going to segue this discussion toward the pruning of images from this wiki. Even ignoring the recent spam of mobage images courtesy of the current problem user, many pages already have way too many repetitive images that don't add much value to the pages in question, in particular the character articles. It is a huge annoyance if the entire right side of many pages is filled with pictures of the same character in slightly different poses. Do we really need so many mystic arte cut-ins and status images from a dozen different crossover games? And I have noticed that a bunch of images are dumped into a "Gallery" section on these pages anyway, defeating the point of having gallery subpages. At least be consistent with using it, if you're going to have it. I would like to limit the number of images being used for a given character, perhaps with the following allocation: the char's concept art in the infobox (tabbed as necessary for alternate variations), one status image from the char's home game (unless it is from a highly pixelated era, then it can be replaced with something more recent), one mystic arte cut-in for the "Fighting Style" section (probably from the full body cut-in era, Abyss and onwards, since apparently people like that better than the more iconic rageface/eyes banners), one image pertaining to animated appearances such as an opening cinematic or an anime episode, and one gameplay image of that character either in battle or in a notable story scene in the char's home game. Of course, this may be a restrictive allocation and I am not saying it absolutely should be as rigid as this. I open this idea to fine tuning by those who have an active interest in page design. But the spam of Tales of the Rays and Crestoria images on the character pages needs to be eliminated, at the very least. Shove them all into the gallery subpages if you like, or delete them, doesn't really matter to me. Just make sure the slideshow-based image gallery tags that NDS123 utilized are removed from all pages because Wikia's default gallery system should never be used.
Now, for the more important matter in my mind. NDS123 added another spam message on my talk page. I have said multiple times, via multiple methods, that I do not wish to be bothered via my own talk page or message wall, because I am not an active contributor on this site. A watchdog perhaps, a rabid one at that, but not a contributor. There is no need for NDS123 to have to "lemme see if I can ask them" because I already monitor the Recent Changes log. In fact, the system now is so much easier to monitor compared to that garbage message wall which requires you to tab over to find out what discussions are taking place, with that tab being created merely as an afterthought after people on multiple wiki sites complained hard enough to the Wikia dev team. The current restored talk page system enables all discussions to be listed alongside user edits on all pages, so I can identify discussions and determine my own desire for participation on my own terms. I even ported over that moronic spam from that old message wall onto my restored talk page because I was told to do so, for some reason. Perhaps NDS123 never saw my disgust toward his spam on my message wall along with the walls of everyone else, and perhaps I never said it directly to him. So let me rectify that. I never want to see you post anything on my talk page again. I can find these discussions just fine, and I don't need your spam to get my attention. I have no intention to help you in any way whatsoever. I fully recognize that you might still ignore my words and post on my talk page again in the future, but this should make it clear that any future attempts to do so are unwarranted and unsolicited, and therefore should be treated as vandalism on my talk page and dealt with accordingly.
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 23:49, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Well, there's your answer. —NDS123 (talk) 3:54, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Agree with many of Mayu's points regarding image use on character pages. Will likely elaborate more on this later, but I don't have time right now. It's something I may be able to work on from time to time because it's an issue I've noticed as well. My free time is just limited as of late.

Arosia (talk) 06:10, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I agree with both Arosia and Mayu: with Arosia regarding walls of text in both "History" and "Other Appearances" sections; they should be up to the point and include important bits (overly long descriptions are absotely overwhelming and hardly anyone reads overly long paragraphs), and with Mayu about a somewhat flood of images, especially when it comes to character pages. Cut-ins especially are generally reused from older titles, although in the case of Rays some entirely new cut-ins for legacy characters appear mainly due to spirit gear which I think should still be included on the Wiki.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 14:05, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I actually started making it a point to add only the matching cut-ins with more to add. It's why I haven't even added Veigue Lungberg's cut-in from Tales of Crestoria. It doesn't have anything we haven't seen before. Why I added Zelos Wilder's from the same game is because his cut-in from the World: Reve Unitia didn't include the sheathe. I know it's not the greatest justification, but... well, what do you think? —NDS123 (talk) 8:02, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

That's just the thing. Those changes are so minor that it changes nothing about how redundant they are. I already suggested that there should at most be ONE mystic arte full body cut-in, preferably from the original game or any other sufficiently precedent title. That means to say that the images should be from older games, not the newer mobage shovelware you guys love. I see no problem with having ONLY Bagel's cut-in from Graces, or ONLY Zelos's cut-in from Reve Unitia or wtfever. If you want to crap out other redundant images based on the premise that these minor changes are actually worthwhile enough to fill this wiki's server data allocation, then stuff them on those gallery subpages you guys wanted to create but never applied consistently throughout the wiki. That way, those of us with poorer net connections don't have to load what amounts to the same image three times. And again, stop using the <gallery> tags. Wikia's default image gallery system is absolute filth.
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 22:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
The consensus appears to be against expanding game sections for appearances that are not in the game of origin. I personally prefer the subpage route to have coverage on characters rather than the equivalent of trivia sections, but that's just me.
Image redundancy appears to be a problem. NDS123, please do not upload cut-ins that are substantially similar to ones that already exist?
<gallery> is not going away without an adequate explanation for why it's so bad. The use of slideshow can be sunset if there is consensus, but their inclusion predated NDS123, was not expanded by them by any means, and cannot be blamed on them.
I also give zero fucks about old-guard disdain for the franchise. Everyone has to deal with a franchise moving beyond them, and the adult thing to do would be to move on when it becomes clear that that has happened rather than engage in vitriol about "in my day" in a space that is trying to dedicate itself to recording a history of the franchise. I'm seeing why leading a wiki is so hard when you have to spend so long dealing with crap from people in all corners that you can't even work on what you'd like. Lanate (talk) 00:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

So what? We delete the "cropped" versions? If so, I feel a bit iffy when we get to the 50/50 point. (Milla's sword & arm, again minor) —NDS123 (talk) 4:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Ultimately, yes, the "cropped versions" would get deleted. Both the Rays and the Crestoria cut-ins are more-or-less cropped versions of the original Xillia cut-in, so they don't add any additional information. Minor information here or there like slightly more arm is ultimately irrelevant. Lanate (talk) 02:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
  1. Is Zelos' Crestoria cut-in gonna be deleted too? (even though the original one from the World: Reve Unitia is technically more cropped...)
  2. Want me to go through them all and list them out?
  3. Also, I know this is stupid, but after we do delete the crops, can we just say they use the remaining cut-ins in different games? —NDS123 (talk) 6:17, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Regarding the gallery wikitag, there was a long discussion about it back in 2010 here. As you should recall, it was a prelude to our aborted attempt to leave the Wikia network due to their many unnecessary and intrusive changes which ignored wiki autonomy and continued to do so for the past 10 years. The reason we could never actually leave the network was due to Wikia's intention to create a fork of this website under the terms of CC-BY-SA, establishing a rump version of Aselia on Wikia even if the community moved over to the Abyssal Chronicles server as we had originally intended. And the people who didn't know any better would just continue to peruse and edit the Wikia fork since no forwarding links to the correct fork on AC would be created, per the Wikia staff's responses to my inquiries. The same thing has happened to many other wiki communities that did decide to leave Wikia during the final straw that was the implementation of the Oasis/"Wikia New Look" skin; just look at all the people who continue to contribute to the deprecated WoWWiki on Wikia instead of the correctly updated and managed Wowpedia on Gamepedia, or likewise with the "Touhou Project Wiki" on Wikia instead of the more established and widely accepted "Touhou Wiki" hosted by Pooshlmer (which is an ironic case since we were the ones who had a self-hosted wiki first, and then merged -into- Wikia due to self-hosted server stress and bandwidth concerns when it hadn't yet revealed what it would do to us... and yes, one of my many current Wikia accounts was merged from that pre-Wikia site).
I had created the {{gallery}} template as an alternative to the default gallery system during that same time period, though I do agree that it was coded rather inefficiently since it was ported from Wikipedia. In particular, the "lines" parameter felt really unnecessary due to the variability of screen resolutions, but I had no idea how to rewrite the code to eliminate the need for that parameter without arbitrarily creating a caption visibility cutoff. My only coding experience beyond wikitext would be limited to MMO private servers and Baldur's Gate/Neverwinter Nights modding, so I did what I could. Now, has the default Wikia gallery system actually improved in a way that addressed those concerns from back then? I will admit that I haven't looked into the changes since then, since the whole situation leads me to distrust using <gallery> regardless of what they do to it on account of what it had been, something so controversial that it sparked such a major discussion that eventually might have led to leaving Wikia entirely.
With all of that said, is there even any need for the gallery tag -or- the gallery template, if it was already decided in the past that gallery subpages would be put into use? This isn't about "in my day", this is what you guys decided upon but never made consistently active during the years since that decision was passed. I do wish you could forgive my vitrol toward peoples' ADHD focus on flashy new and exciting things, when those same people disregard the past as being "legacy" content and treat "recording a history" as if the past exists in a vacuum.
Double-Hitting Mamako~ (talk) 07:10, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

My reply will likely be brief because, again, life and stuff. Like Mayu, I have a soft spot for what the series used to be as opposed to what it's become, which at times has generated nothing but my disdain for newer titles and those that treat such things as equally or more important than past games. I admit I winced while repeating the word legacy to refer to the games/chars I love; those same games/chars that others only know of because they're vomited out in mobile titles as cheap forms of their origins, typically placed in some bizarre scenario or setting, against the backdrop of whatever-in-the-hell crossover storyline nonsense. It's late and I'm tired, so this response may be half sensible, half grumbling. Lanate's sentiments on leading a wiki are hella accurate, and I would never in a million years do it again. If you can all be patient with me, I can work on a few char pages maybe tomorrow to give a good representation of what we've sort of agreed on? I feel partially responsible since images were always my "thing", for lack of better word since it's nearly 2am and I'm dying to sleep.

The gallery system changed during my absence, and I never bothered saying anything about it because I just assumed there was some discussion somewhere and valid reasoning for it. I prefer Mayu's template, but ultimately I don't have a strong opinion. Gallery subpages, on the other hand, were my creation and attempt to comprehensively cover image variations on the wiki without them appearing in the unused files repository. They were never intended to be included on char pages for all the reasons listed above. Categories probably would have been sufficient enough, but for some reason I cared about unused things and tidy repositories back during my time as admin. Don't ask why because I don't know. Goodnight~

Arosia (talk) 08:51, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

My questions about the crops still stand. —NDS123 (talk) 6:38, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

I dislike the gallery template as being unable to adapt to an individual user's resolution. Cress Albane#Gallery is an example of the current gallery tags.
@NDS123 Essentially, it comes down to what exists first. If the image is substantially similar, even if shows a little bit more, then there's no point to the new image. When cleaning up the current images, whatever shows the most can be kept, but going forward, only cut-ins that are substantially different should really be uploaded, and only really if that character has not had any cut-in posted ever. Lanate (talk) 03:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
So, yes, Zelos' gets deleted? (A me in my head: Isn't the OG technically a screenshot? I can see Zelos' sprite in the background.) —NDS123 (talk) 7:54, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Just leave things alone! The best thing you could possibly do right now is to cease meddling with images altogether, apart from whatever arte images you upload and add to pages. Everything else should be off limits to you.

Back on topic, some questions. I took a peek at some char pages and realized I really like some of the images included that don't fall under the category of what we're intending to keep ._. I guess I need to know if the "core" images are to be the only ones that remain on the page, or will the "extra" leftover images simply be included in the gallery near the end of the article? ...Or would a subpage gallery system be better? I understand the pages appearing crowded, but is loading also an issue? If so, perhaps subpage galleries would be preferable. I don't want the images to be deleted, as I consider most of them relevant archives, and some of them I painstakingly scoured the web for. Literally everything NDS123 added to the char pages was never intended to be incorporated in such a way, hence the subpage galleries already in existence. But I suppose if we do a dedicated subpage gallery for each char, they can just be included that way. Shrug, I don't know.

Arosia (talk) 04:19, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I would probably suggest doing the subpage gallery route. Lanate (talk) 03:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Your recent uploads

I'm removing your recent image file uploads due to poor quality. Your screenshots tend to be blurry and oddly framed, so I would stick to more official screenshots in the meantime.

Arosia (talk) 18:32, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

I specifically had the settings on the highest quality possible... —N. DS (talk) 10:35, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to ask you as politely as possible to stop stepping out of line. When someone who has been here longer than you is taking the time to monitor your edits and coach you along the way, it's bold to be disrespectful. Lanate has been more than gracious in allowing you to make your mistakes and learn from them, but if you're just going to fight and argue with me every step of the way, then there's no point in allowing it. The quality of those images is not acceptable, and maybe you need to come to terms with the fact that not every arte page requires an image. It's ideal, but not necessary.

I'll admit there's a few things I've been wanting to do on the wiki that I haven't been able to because what little time I'm able to editing is directed toward monitoring your edits. By the time I'm done, I'm out of free time or too stressed. I really wish you would just slow down on editing, and I honestly wish you would cease uploading images altogether. However, I'm not an admin anymore and there's nothing I can do to stop you. I'll just complain until I make the decision to leave the wiki again, which will likely be soon.

To sign your posts on talk pages, use four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your message.

Arosia (talk) 18:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Images

Do you honestly have to keep reuploading every image from the Crestoria wiki here? It seems like the staff has asked you to stop, and it's getting downright creepy with you stalking our wiki's uploads and moving all the content to Aselia even before the content has been put on our own pages since it's not officially released yet. You've even borrowed images I've custom edited myself. Please stop. While other users here are more than welcome, I would prefer YOU personally not take any images from the Crestoria wiki any longer. Thank you.

Ayleria (talk) 22:12, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I'll stop. The only reason why I used that True Stahn image was because I couldn't find the skit image anywhere. I know it's not the best excuse anymore.

NDS123 (talk) 2:38, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

That's actually an example of something that's completely acceptable and welcome. That is an established character and you needed art. What I don't think you needed is yet another Mystic Arte Cut-in of a character that already had many, yet you chose to upload art from a game where the character does not even have a Mystic Arte. Yes, I uploaded a picture earlier to the Crestoria wiki, but I never even placed it on a page because it is unreleased content, yet it's suddenly here before I even used my own upload. Since I don't think you can understand what is acceptable and what is not based on the conversations I've seen here, I just think it's best for you to not do it anymore.
Ayleria (talk) 00:26, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I would like to request to the current administration that NDS123 be put on an indefinite hiatus from uploading images, as it's become excessive and now problematic, involving an affiliate site's admin, which I don't take lightly.

Arosia (talk) 03:10, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Would it satisfy you for me to wait until those cut-ins get released? To stop editing until the unreleased cut-ins I uploaded get released. —NDS123 (talk) 8:17, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I would like a moratorium on uploading any images at all. The only exception are ones from the official Tales of the Rays mirrage arte videos, provided they remain high quality, and that permission can be rescinded if they prove to be troublesome as well. Lanate (talk) 04:40, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Images revisited

A lot of your recent images have been missing categories. Please remember to categorize them on upload. Lanate (talk) 19:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Userspace image ban

Do NOT edit my talk page ANY LONGER if you want to just want to dump on me any image that needs to be moved. You just keep on removing link to one image, then replace it with a link to another. It's INFURIATING. Also, I have more pressing matters in real life than you and your extremely slow learning progress. Continue to do so and the consequences will be dire.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 10:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Alright, I'll stop. —NDS123 (talk) 7:22 am, 8 Febuary 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry for how I behaved. I'm just desperate to fix my mistakes. I'll just use the talk page to mark them instead of the other way. Deal? —NDS123 (talk) 3:13 pm, 14 Febuary 2021 (UTC)

Japanese

Can you follow our romanization scheme listed on Aselia Wiki:Japanese. If you're just copy-pasting Google Translate's romanization, please don't. Lanate (talk) 04:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Fine... I know what you're talking about, but just so we're clear here, it's not the recent Spirit Gears for Dhaos, Gaius and Barbatos you're mad at, or are you mad at them too? Because I at least made sure to look above the kanjis this time. NDS123 (talk) 9:21 pm, 14 February 2021
...wait. That is what you were talking about! NDS123 (talk) 1:40 am, 15 February 2021
It's me taking a closer look at the romanizations you've been putting on various arte pages and noting that they don't follow that policy. Lanate (talk) 02:04, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

New image restriction

I'm going to enact a ban of uploading new images that are largely similar to the ones you're overwriting. There's no real need to upload/spam slightly improved versions of perfectly fine pictures. Lanate (talk) 01:52, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

That about the ones I put up? That's it, no do-overs? Or just the cut-ins? NDS123 (talk) 02:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Stuff like the cut-ins that already were at good enough quality. Did you even get permission to use them? Lanate (talk) 02:11, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
  1. From Arosia or CamelieMimika? I would've asked Arosia myself, but they already left to pursue other things, and I don't want to ruin that for them.
  2. BTW, Asteria is on a new chapter. I honestly thought you'd notice by now.
  3. If you didn't check the Special:RecentChanges right before this conversation, I suggest you take a look.

NDS123 (talk) 03:01, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Wait, did that mean ALL images?! ...crap... NDS123 (talk) 02:47, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Artes

Do NOT add new artes info on arte lists or create new arte pages (like it was with Orwin's case; I let that slide) simply because they are unreleased and there's always a chance of something changing since the announcement. New info regarding artes should be posted after it is released "for public use", so to say. Stop treating creation of new articles and hastily expanding articles like some kind of a demented race for the grand prize. There is none. —Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 13:03, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree with this. Articles on upcoming content shouldn't be created; the most we get is when a game is announced, and even that is contentious. Lanate (talk) 03:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Also, you're continuous creation of arte pages for enemy artes when those enemies appear only in a single game is absolutely pointless. Enemy mystic artes get pages mainly because it's important characters that get mystic artes, but creating arte pages for every single enemy arte is completely unwarranted. I undestand you want to show us your usefulness, but you are simply overdoing it.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 16:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Alright. I'll do enemy artes that appear in other games, not exclusive ones in one game, or just focus on the playable ones. But for the record, artes aren't the only things on my mind (I'm sure you already know what it is by now).
NDS123 (talk) 18:32, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Do NOT flood arte pages with images! Sanrengiri is already short, but you just decided to add another image on it. You are continuing to treat Aselia as your personal image dumpster, no matter how short the article or unnecessary the image is; it's just "form over content" for you and it shows and is really bad.—Kaimi (999,999 CP/5 TP) ∙ 16:13, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Don't think I'm proud of ALL of them. (Case in point)

NDS123 (talk) 17:06, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Going to reiterate Kaimi's complaints of creating arte pages for every single arte; we typically only create enemy arte pages for an enemy's mystic or otherwise signature artes, not every single basic one. Lanate (talk) 17:00, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

The only reason I did that one specifically was because I couldn't find the localized names officially documented anywhere. And I didn't think to put up the enemy artes here because it hadn't been done before. Speaking of which, I looked it up and found a few artes that Lazaris uses in the "Carnage Sphere", such as Out of my way! (● ▲ ★), I'll make you mine! (LC-100), and Petrifying Mallice (Which I'm guessing is the localization for Sekka no Malice (石化のマリス?).

NDS123 (talk) 20:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Images on arte pages

I'm going to request that you stop messing with the positions of images on the arte pages. The end result is that the page ends up completely cluttered and bombarded with images so close together that there's no point. Images on article pages are needed to accent them, not dominate them. Lanate (talk) 20:43, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

My bad.
NDS123 (talk) 20:46, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Mysterious Swordsman

Sorry for what I've done in the Tales of Arise page. I have made the page for said mysterious swordsman and wanted to link to it. I know we don't know said character's name, but we also don't know whether or not said character's name is in itself a spoiler (and as such it's better to keep the page named "Mysterious Swordsman" than using the explicit name).Tokoyami no Nietzsche (talk) 23:22, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

If you've read what's on my talk page, then you already know I was HEAVILY warned against doing something similar to this. Sure, artes are just one thing, but I know that vague names are on another level entirely, even IF the name is spoiler-heavy. I mean, look at Arnold Alcott, for example; he is first encountered as "Stingle. This is why I didn't put up "Orwin's Mystic Arte". Instead, I scoured the internet until I could find an official name: "Lost Infinity". Just make sure to be patient next time. We already know the character exists. Rinwell had her's up since her name is confirmed to be localized. Frankly, I can say the same for Kisara, since she introduces herself in the Summer Game Fest Trailer, and no one's put her's up yet (not that I'd recommend it lightly...)
Here's my advice (please note that I am NOT an admin at all); If you're going to make a character article, you need to look through the information about said character, until you can find an officially-confirmed name. If not, just wait. We can always find it in-game. The only reason the Pope of Tethe'alla gets a pass is because we NEVER hear his name throughout the entirety of Tales of Symphonia, yet he IS a considerable character.

But this is all just overexplained advice from someone under probation, who is, again, NOT an admin. If you wanna do a character, it's really your choice, but you've got to be more careful and consider whether he is ACTUALLY and EXCLUSIVELY called "Mysterious Swordsman". If not, then wait. (The same can be said of Dylan Paradine and Raymond Oswell. Redirects do exist, but even if he were called that in-game, I don't think redirecting "Mysterious Swordsman" to his real name would be a good idea...

NDS123 (talk) 00:29, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Understood. But Victor has "Victor" as the page name, despite the fact that his name would be Ludger Will Kresnik (alternate). So, if the mysterious swordsman's real name is as massive a spoiler like Victor's, I'd suggest not to name the page with that name.Tokoyami no Nietzsche (talk) 11:38, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Actually, the Manual of Style says this.

NDS123 (talk) 22:44, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Unlocalized

Having unlocalized on content pages is meaningless given the amount of supplementary material that is Japanese-only. The unlocalized template was intended only for list pages and is now being returned to it.

Additionally, please do not remove official romanizations. Lanate (talk) 16:12, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Alright. If you say so.
NDS123 (talk) 17:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Stone Press

Do you have a source? I'd been previously unable to find confirmation that it appeared in the PS2 release. Lanate (talk) 15:29, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

I am subsequently doubting the rest of your additions; where are your sources? Lanate (talk) 03:20, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Page moves

Please don't do pseudo-page moves like you did with Gurentenshou. It masks the true page history. Lanate (talk) 00:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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